as things peacefully, the driver was charged with the times to murder this view drive through, so we'll be in front of the faculty in the coming days, just in case someone tries to attack students again, all like the previous, they run the police cars and prevented another group of fire, most from fully within the region university campaign. now, besides, this situation today was totally different. directive bullies was an escort towards the mother kate. the next steps, students from all the diversity seems to be a little safety is 24 hour chassis blockades that will happen tomorrow. here in ballard, the reason is still the same. the ones jost is for victims of tragedy that happened the last year on november. first being the northern city of now, besides the rooftop off the railway station, call up and killed 15 people. ragna, george, i'll just need a new lease. thank you so much for joining us today. your grandparents are holocaust survivors and your grandfather was a member of your good design is melisha and you yourself grew up as

a zionist and i wonder what zine isn't means to you today. is it the same zionism of your childhood? so 1st of all, thank you for having me. and so that's a good question, but probably was the most complex question for me to answer. and so yeah, i grew up and you said of both my grandparents, i have another grandmother who came from merkel. her family was it came from egypt and then to hebron in palestine. and yeah, i grew up in the eighty's and ninety's and center of israel and very zion lease, but also very liberal and open and free environments. zionism for me was 1st and foremost i think, feeling and the political cause. i never felt the families i'm as

a political movement that created down the line. the origin of paul died an occupation and colonialism. and i never thought about the fact that this movement that brought my grand parents to be as ro, is actually the same moment, but the nice base right from other people who lived there. so in that sense, it was quite a long journey for me to learn is i on these, i'm at, but it is still not the easiest thing to do. if you loved the and you breaking the silence which published a report on the 2014 war and gaza and it was at this time that you said your soul began to crack. can you tell us about what breaking the silence was? and also what did that report expose? yeah, so breaking silence is in these really organization of ex soldiers collecting testimonies

of soldiers and publish them in order to shed light of the immorality. of these rarely mister occupational of the west bank and gaza in 2014. there was a message containing letters containing gaza and it is relevant with ours compared and that was in the queue, but it was the 1st time for me that they was part of an organization that can investigate the army conduct and what we figure out quite quickly in was, was very shocking to me, is that the human price that of this campaign, which back then was unthinkable. we're talking about 60 days of fighting over 2000 people killed it over 500 children, killed, mass destruction, you know, talking about this today. it's feels like, yeah, but then it was the 1st time i understood that what i'm seeing,

what i'm looking at is not the you know what the, what is rolling, what these really all me calls collateral damage. is not something that was done by mistake. but the shocking thing to me was 1st to understand that a 2nd, this understanding stood inch varies, struck contradiction to every thing i knew about these early all me and about my country and said that was the 1st time where i felt i think i'm very star gap between me and, and, and people around me and you served in the israeli army and you said 5 years. so you were there longer than the compulsory service but, but through your time with the idea, i know. so with breaking the silence and dealing with soldiers, i wonder what you make of what we have been seeing over this past year and on

several months. and the such a photos and videos of his very soul, just blowing up homes and schools and beyond. the soldiers dressing up in, in women's nursery and clothing. is that something as well? that has been a shock on a break from, from what you grew up the leaving of course, and i mean it's not been seen before, has it this kind of, i think what's the in general, what we are seeing and facing during the last year i have to say there is nothing new except the scale of things and them kind of that, that the coolness of it, you know, that there was, i think for, for israel is, for soldiers, for israel is in general. and also for is riley leaders and politician. there was found, there's kind of an,

it was very clear that's the reason need and want to, to create this for sad case. the for size of the f, a democracy of, of, of something that has a, in respect for human rights and for, for humans in general. and that i think something that we are, i don't know completely lost but, but, but it is kind of being taken away from my society. and if you're talking about the israeli soldiers conduct, you have to put it into context. and the context is now the ongoing, the money is ation of the posting and people that is taking place throughout the past year. and israel and that starts from the top. and you probably remember just the days after the war stall to the come, our prime minister stood there. and so in and talk to the soldiers going out to

gaza and told them as a whole. the shuttle side of hom, i like the control of this version. and what we're seeing today is a process of israel becoming more and more oppressive. also towards it. it's privilege, an ad name, but group and you know, talking about the, the green line. we thought we going to hear about those for all the cases of violence, of, of, of, of abuse. and what we heard was shocking because we collected more than 50 testimonies of people who were held in 16 different facilities. some of the military facilities likes that they might, but some of them civil facilities, if it pre owned and they were all done the same story about ongoing,

harsh abuse, physical and mental on a daily basis. a people are being bitten up star, been the few dozens every year. and i think that's also has to do with the i am one of the systems that were in that sense that there is kind of of equivalent between the idea is us in a way and the identification when things really all means there am. but i think what we see all these attitudes through dozens and towards the cost in general, dried from the immunization of the whole group of people. and that's the essence of policies. incense is that, to make, in a very sophisticated way, makes you believe that this separation, that this device and this am,

is something that is logical because we're really different in that sense. combine that with the basic knowledge off, all feelings of persecution because of the whole of costs because of the history of the real history of the jewish people. and the outcome of faith is, is i think we with, i really hope that the within me to on learn things and wouldn't feel light to like i am and, and they wish that for him. but more than that, i just wish that for every child in his right past time and really every child everywhere would be lucky to have that kind of future. thank you so much, julie novak for being here on,

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