it could be a for styles, a to help this huge numbers of cause to access, but notice, but practically that tiny and causes thought to, to uh, to put into the notes of the strip. and we will try to keep monitoring closely what's going on on the ground, but just the scene right now. the bucket around do is cause we're slowly move to the north of the strip and it's quite on clear with that they will make it, make it possible and make it happen today as the we the strip or not. but basically, the causes talk to, to have access to the jury inquiry though as they would be subjected to military inspection by the security companies in that area. karen can just talk us through the process of, of how causes a change and exactly who is doing as well cause trucks don't take cards or carrying personal belongings for public speaking display sundays. now these families have come from different stage in graphical

locations in the south and in the central areas of the god just took that being displaced from the north. and right now we can see cosmo. don't see costs are really coming to this gathering point in order to wait on to access the north through this trip. now the situation for them is quite electric, that their feelings are quite mixed up hope and i'm just to thank should for the time in order to access cars are we can say, oh, so right now women children are running an order to also getting that access this has been a very lone awake today for their says police assemblies funds, as you can see on the rise and on the button in the frame that are full of these costs and talks of waiting to access the news. but we cannot do now much more closer to next or rerecorded due to the safety concerns. but generally it didn't make them as simple but inspection will be conducted through an x ray machine. which video managed to expect these call. it looks like we have

lost terrorism, this terika. bu as interested on some of our dean roads, i'm just gonna leave you with uh, these pictures as uh, hundreds of thousands of displays, palestinians returning to know the gallons and as part of the seas 5 deal that is being done between homos and israel. now these ready military have finally allowed them across the new to room, colorado for the 1st time since the start of the war, stay with us, we're reframe, is coming up next the, the us loan states mission into afghanistan, often 911, attacking the time evaluation with the scale of the mission of device scan government corruption, that ultimately to us with tools and the return of the tele,

by so many people weren't killed. people were on the, on the government. more than the final parts or background has done. the price of peace investigates the devastating human cost of the war and the failure to secure lasting peace phone outages. era is ro is undergoing a very i think fast and worrying process of getting to be more and more authoritarian and even fascist in a way. now i'm saying that knowing that these ro was always like that in regard to its treatment to co sentience. the, i'm sort of mobile to and this is refrain where we seek new conversations and perspectives in the series will be discussed in one of the most consequential issues of the war and gaza. israel's military con,

i guess this week is usually novak of prominent political activists from his room for 5 years newly led, breaking the silence, an organization of ideas, veterans speaking out against the occupation in the west bank and gaza. now she's the executive director of but selim, one of the leading is really human rights organizations because of our communities been labeled the correct to the state of israel. nice, thank you so much for joining us today. your grandparents are holocaust survivors and your grandfather was a member of a good design is melisha. and you yourself grew up as a scientist and i wonder what zine is in means to you today. is it the same zionism of your childhood? so 1st of all, thank you for having me and that's a good question but probably was the most complex question for me to answer. and so

yeah, i grew up and you said of both my grandparents, i have another grandmother who came from merkel. her family was eh, came from egypt and then to hebron in palestine. and yeah, i grew up in the eighty's and ninety's and center of israel and very zion lease, but also very liberal and open and free environments. zionism for me was 1st and foremost i think feeling and the political concepts and emotional concepts and emotional concept, something that had to do with identity and not necessarily a political identity. zionism was something to symbolize life for me because as he said, that's what bro, my grand parents, 30. and that's what became to be my family. right. so

for me, zone isn't growing up, was mostly love for my country. love for the land and a strong commitment to his and as i used to think of israel as a place in the country that they can be very proud of. and saying that i was also left based because end user or the concept of of, of the list is usually in regard to how, how, how, how you, lucas, and now we understand the occupation that what we call 67 occupation in the west bank and gaza and the muse through ok, patient with me as well over the 3rd story. and i grew up to know that we're doing something very wrong there by holy these territories. but still it was

a matter of policy. so for me, i was living in the democracy. and there is this temporary policy of occupation that needs to be changed. so we need to vote and, and to elect the government that will change this policy and, and it, and that wasn't, that my zone is i'm for all the years. i learned that there was a big part that was missing out of the story. what was missing? if you're not telling the whole story, it's actually false because i never followed the family as a, as a political movement that created down the line. the origin of paul tide and occupation and colonialism. and i never thought about the fact that this movement that brought my grand parents to me as ro, is actually the same moment. but the nice base right from other people lived

there. so in that sense, it was quite a long journey for me to learn zionism and, but it is still not an easy thing to do. if you loved the and you breaking the silence which published a report on the 2014 war and gaza. and it was at this time that you said your soul began to crack. can you tell us about what breaking the silence was? and also what did that report expose? yeah, so breaking silence is in these really organization of ex soldiers collecting testimonies of soldiers and publish them in order to shed light of the immorality of uh, these rarely, military occupation over the west bank and gaza in 2014. there was a message containing new terms containing gaza and it is relevant with our campaign

. and that was in the queue, but it was the 1st time for me that they was part of an organization that can investigate the army conduct. and what we figure out quite quickly in was, was very shocking to me. is that the human price that of this come thing, which back then was i'm single, we're talking about 50 days of fighting over 2000 people killed it over 500 children killed, mass destruction, you know, talking about this today. it's feels like you know, but then it was the 1st time i understood that what i'm seeing, what i'm looking at is not the you know, what the, what these role and what these really all me calls collateral damage. is not something that was done by mistake, but the shocking thing to me was 1st to understand that a 2nd,

this understanding stood inch varies. the struck contradiction to everything i knew about these early all me and about my country and said that was the 1st time where i felt i think a very star gap between me and, and, and people around me. and you served in the israeli army and use of 5 years. so you were there longer than the compulsory service but but through your time with the idea? no. so with breaking the silence and dealing with soldiers, i wonder what you make of what we have been seeing over this past year and several months. and the such a photos and videos if he's ready. so just blowing up homes and schools and to be on the soldiers dressing up in, in women's lingerie and clothing. is that something as well that has been a shock on a break from, from what you grew up the leaving of course,

and i mean it's not been seen before, has it this kind of, i think what's the in general, what we are seeing and facing during the last year i have to say there is nothing new except the scale of things and them kind of that the, the coolness of it, you know, that there was, i think for, for israel is, for soldiers, for israel is in general. and also for is rarely leaders and politician. there was found the here is kind of, i am, it was very clear that the reason need and, and want to, to create these sub case the for size of alpha alpha democracy off of something because it, in respect for human rights and for, for humans in general, and that i think something that we are,

i don't know completely lost but, but, but it is kind of being taken away from my society. and if you're talking about the israeli soldiers conduct, you have to put it into context in the context is now that ongoing the when use ation of the posting in people that has taken place throughout the past year in israel. and that's thoughts from that. the top and you probably remember just the days after the war stall to the coming, our prime ministers stood there. and so in and talk to the soldiers going out to gaza and told them the whole at the shuttle side of hom, malik. yeah, i mean, remember what i'm gonna like the to, you know, that is a dog we sold to ever is riley, because we call all of us learned in school what the malik did to us and what we,

what was needed an older by god to do to him, a less than that is to kill everybody know to leave anyone behind. and that is just one example, right, because our ministry of defense a few days later said we're fighting animals and we need to treat them as such. but you know, the ongoing public, this course in israel, even mainstream, very mainstream media is basically talking about there are no civilians and there are no in some faithful in gaza. and so just when, when, when you think about this sentiment and take into account that these rarely public is really trying with us really from sized from the a events and backpack of october 7, put this together and you've got to very, i think, cruel and violent outcome i want to talk to bit more about society and what it's

going through. and the majority of israelis do support the war and gaza. and you said that societies so right wing since october, the 7th that protests to bring the hostages home now considered a left wing issue. where do you see this going? is ro is undergoing a very so i think fast and worrying and scary process off your things to be more and more authoritarian and even fascist in a way. now i'm saying that knowing that israel was always like that in regard to its treatment to co sentience. right? but again, all of us grew up knowing that we're leaving democracy for some of us like me at one point, can we realize that it cannot be a democracy if it's only democracy for half of the people live under the control

assertion. and what we're seeing today is a process of israel becoming more and more oppressive. also towards it, it's privilege, an ad name, but root and you know, talking about the hostages in the host and just families who are becoming a target of the government. only for calling for the most basic thing and that is do whatever you can to make sure that those people randomly were cleaning up in the criminal way. and they're still held in gaza. do whatever you can to bring them back. and just because it doesn't stand in line with the political agenda and, and the political interest of our government, they are being mark also as traitors. also as kind of the enemy of the state. and they're being the same way as any other elements in this role that is

critical of our government. and that is, you know, that's a process that he's not doing extra israel strikes. it's something that we see in many countries. but in the, in the case, in our specific case, it is, or even boring the other places because the 1st victims of this process are again post stance. and i see a link between the, at the 2 tours issues, right. ellis, who are the opposing, even the, the, the policies of the government, not the basic principles of it. and the conduct sofa these riley, all mean gaza and also in the westbank. you've personally faced a tax for your, for your human rights were from the time of breaking the silence and, and now you're the executive director of a bit selim. and but said them recently released the report titled,

welcome to how about the abuse and torture of palestinians held in this rarely custody since october 7th. can you tell us what your findings revealed but selim, is there really isn't these really organization but our team, our stuff are both jewish, these rallies, info, simians, and some of them from the west bank. some of them from the gaza strip. and some of them leave inside the, at the green line. we thought we going to hear about those for other cases of violence, of, of, of, of abuse. and what we heard was shocking, because we collected more than 50 testimonies of people who were held in 16 different facilities. some of the military facilities likes that they might, but some of them civil facilities, if it pre owned and they were all done the same story about ongoing,

harsh abuse, physical and mental on a daily basis. a people are being beaten up, star, denial, medical treatment. the shocking thing about it was that when you hear it so many times, you understand that it is actually a policy. especially when we take into cones that the person who these rarely government pump in charge of the present system is a demo bank bill the most far right for the patient that israel ever had after we're working on this result in writing them, we understood that we also need to name things as they are and that the it is our responsibility when we were talking about speaking truth to power. even if they are released they off, there was no charges which applies to 50 all to $55.00 witnesses, right. they were all released, we've no charges, you will be

a victim starter. we decided that that's a place that needs to be called tortures can. and not the prism working to, to nearly now to the audience who i know have questions that they very much like to to post you over here. we've got a, a question. so my name is jeffrey newman. i'm a rabbi in long central, so proud to be here with you, with your courage. you've touched on the sacrifices that you wouldn't stop having to make it a little bit more about. that type would be interested in hearing. you know, it's hard for me to answer about the circle sizes because there are lots, but i think everyone, everyone is ro, is info stands lifted, the israel palestine pay huge price for living under

this oppressive regime. and i'm not trying to make a symmetry in between the price that is paid by the oppressed, by the pulse stand and, and by the $1.00 that's the cost a superior us that use. but or, you know, it's not the only sacrifice because i also feel very for a village at the moment to be able to work with postings, to, to see something true that many people in my society and many is ro is, are completely blind to know. because they are bad people just because this is the correct touristic off a person for game and the population is to make him blind to make you not see other questions for newly um yeah, over here. um, so we, we hear a lot of reports of ideas,

soldiers refusing to join the army, and some of them also leaving the, leaving the ice. yes. are you able to give an idea of how big breaking the silence movement is? and how many of the idea of soldiers are weakening to the crimes that they're committing at the moment? and just one more is what was the tipping point for you to meet you? slip breaking of silence is not the organizational for fields and you can actually the numbers of, of, of israel, the soldiers who refused to serve an under moral or, or conscience. this and reasons is very small. and we're talking about the few dozens every year. and i think that's also has to do with the am we're the system that we're growing up in.

and this a very strong belief is that you have as an use rally. and i know because i had the 2 that we have no choice. the only thing that will keep is really safe is to press both finance is to keep this ongoing and this we're going. i mean, it puts to all of us in risk. so again, i have this moral stand ethical stand that does nothing to do with me being in these riley, but i am also a very clear interest of not living under discharging other questions. uh yeah. so as like something there from the new yorker recently interviewed is really writer. and you'll see klein levy who served in the ideas a line that really stood out was in israel. we know the idea because we are the idea. how much do you think this identification of his riley's with the idea of the

forms? some people use that there are no innocent civilians in gaza. it's interesting, but i'm not sure there is a connection between between the 2. am i completely agree with this notion. i mean, israel society is a heap, her moving terroristic society. from when i was a who was very, very single child to know, to be proud at of the is rarely all me to identify with it. and we heard about people who refused and asked about that. a need to be very knowledgable and very brave at the age of 18 in order to, to, to refuse to take balls. and unfortunately, i wasn't. and in that sense that there is kind of,

of equivalent between the idea is us in a way and the identification when things really all means there am. but they think what we see all these attitudes to dozens and towards the cost in general, dried from the immunization of the whole group of people. and that's the essence of football, by the incense, is that to make, in a very sophisticated way, makes you believe that this separation, that this device and this am, is something that is logical because we're really different in that sense. combine that with the basic knowledge off or feeling of persecution because of the whole of costs because of the history of the real history of the jewish people.

and the outcome of faith is, is i think, the creation of, of, of, of the very group thing that's the people that are almost to can see suffering of the other really you, you for it. and then your memoir, that for you, as a political struggle was incomplete without a personal struggle. you become a mother quite recently. and i, i wonder what the process of becoming a mother has changed in terms of your hopes and your fears for the future. and so i did become mother of a beautiful baby boy, and when he was 10 days old and we had to run for the

shelter for the 1st time, it was the morning of the 7 am. and since then congress times. and i know it's a big diesel nonce mass that they sometimes am. because when i'm holding him sitting in shelter, i remember the most babies and children don't have shelter to run to and don't hear sirens before. rocket is, is a phone of them and and then i looking is hot eyes and is just the most adorable thing and you have to smile back. right. so i hope for him to grew up in a very different place than i did. and i know it's being 3 him

to a place that the told the values that i believed my country is about of generosity and kindness and justice. i am. and then you will learn proofs about his life, about who it was. i really hope that the within he needs to learn things and within feel like to like i am am. and they wish that for him. but more than that, i just wish that for every child in his right past time and really every child everywhere would be lucky to have that kind of future. thank you so much, julie novak for being here on, reframe on. thank you to our audience in london. for joining us today, the

this is refrained in this series. we'll be discussing the war and gaza and today how posted in office are responding to it. the only thing that's right is have is the power of award winning old fashionable to speak to palestinian bye to ed director at met. i'm assuming that you were able to train those emotions that are coming up with something the beautiful and see those emotions without the wounds that's coming. refrain on our injustice for me is the driving force of why i do this to show people what it's like to live in places where injustice isn't something you read in. the news is something that happens to every single day.

whether it's a war or natural disaster, whether it's political corruption, making sure that they understand. and this simple language is absolutely crucial. the cities already 50 percent evacuated, most of those people actually left in the early days at the will. i couldn't do this job without the best camera man, best produces the best fixes, and those of the people, the i rely on in order to be able to get that message out to the well there's a camera watching may. so i'm going to watch it. surveillance tech is key to sustaining israel's occupation. you don't necessarily know who's watching you at the training . it's called the official intelligence, the use of, of the musician objects for the technology that's condense. so around the globe. very, very sophisticated. a i can collect them. q the palestine, the bar 3 point one on that just you know,

the, a long will kind of to 15 months of genocide, a was right, allows tell us citizens to return to north kansas. i'm told mccrae, this is l just here. a live from the also coming up families of being very you nice it is, the search begins for what remains of the homes. but the devastation in the north is a man's, as well, has systematically destroyed the majority of buildings that.