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how the welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan, the french island kent cx. 5 deal between israel of thomas finally ball fruits on saturday, 200 promised indian prisoners. some of them held in jail for decades. freed and exchanged before is really female soldiers. the lights among palestinians mirror of israel when the 4 young women emerged from 15 months of comfortable tea in gauze up . they survived as bones dropped by the military colleagues fell all around destroying much of the strip. and as well as genocide, however, no celebrations with thousands of palestinians shots have unblocked by these really ami preventing them returning to northern gauze. another condition of the cease fire agreement. meanwhile, is royal tax. the westberg cause us president donald trump talks about in his woods cleaning out casa. so where does the ceasefire start now and what lies ahead. we'll discuss all of that with, i guess shortly. but 1st, a report from wilma coastal sharif. the

celebrations in brazil, tennessee buses getting palestinian prisoners departure from it is widely military prison in the occupied west. bank of the 200 release 70 had been excited to print still bearing the prison uniforms. they look candid through by jubilant crowds in from a low the mama, a reader was among them. he was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2002 for being a part of a group affiliated with some of the many people want me to talk about what happened and gaza. my say and would always say that it will not bring to life a place as precious, full of dignity and bright, generous, and glowing as gauze that the joyful families, the unions, and people celebrated late into the mamma. the reader's mother was among those

waiting for his advice. the only issue that was from today con, be described. i couldn't believe that he was going to be released. evelyn was coming to me and shaking his picture, and i said, that's not mohammed. now when i sold him a subject to shout, my beloved son for the release of the prisoners came shortly after her, most freed, full female is rarely soldiers on saturday. as part of her 2nd school under the sci fi do, they will flow into central is rod for medical check, opposite the folding re united, the best families after 15 months in captivity. and you have to came, i love you all the citizens of the state of israel, who supported our families and embraced them and all the soldiers who did everything for us. the truce calls for him us to release 33 captives in the 1st phase, lobsting 6 weeks with as well. frank, so do prisoners, but each civilian and 15 foot and so you know,

but as well. and i'm also already choosing each other of breaking cease dining room the release of an is rarely civilian by him. us meant to be freed along with full soldiers on saturday, was too late and as well. so the displays palestinian families from returning home in the north. despite the celebrations on both sides, as many people are concerned, the sci fi deals may not be fully implemented. the consumption function see the inside story. let's bring in a guess from the joint by down a boat to kinda stay and lawyer on the phone, the legal advisor to the palestinian liberated russian organization from tennessee, but joined by already gold book, a political commentator. i'm for my academic specializing and middle east studies and from london, which went by to honey and stuff,

a senior list on palestine of the international crisis group of will welcome to the let's start with you where we're at right now in terms of the implementation of the ceasefire agreement is realistic, utah mass, if not honoring it by not releasing, although you who are the civilian and how much does that as well as violating the terms of the deal by refusing to let thousands of palestinians return to their homes. north of the not so they even caught it or how dangerous a moment is this for the deal, and can we expect more of this sort of thing is each stage of the deal plays out? so yes, the problem is that from the beginning, although it's listed that there should be people who are involved in monitoring disagreement, as is the case with every agreement that's ever assigned by israel. nobody ever overseas it. and so we end up getting into the point where israel being the. busy a powerful ends up dictating what the terms and conditions are going to be. and so we see today that while people were supposed to be returning to the north,

back to the what's left of their homes, that instead israel is instead shooting people preventing them from getting to the north. and of course, the reason that this is happening is because at this juncture, there's a great deal of a bank or amongst israel's coalition, particularly the right wing. that's saying that this is the worst deal ever. and they want to continue to see that now who do everything to maintain the genocide and he himself wants to continue to bomb gaza. and so we see that he's going to be looking at any small thing to try to delay, to do rail, to do anything to prevent a hit, the actual final ceasefire from taking shape. and here is again where it becomes so important for internationals to be involved international actors to be involved. this shouldn't be the case where palestinians are have to having to negotiate the end of their genocide with the, with the very party that has committed genocide or

a how concerned are you that this deal could collapse. finally, is that the remaining captives demanding that the cx 5 deal be fully implemented and the, all the captives are released. and yet we bought finance when just as much ridge claiming the product. so nothing yahoo wants to resume will continue the war on god . so does he i don't think he does. i think there's been a slight shift and momentum, slight, but substantial. i am cautiously optimistic that this deal will be carried out to completion, even though all israel has less that the stage is obstruction enough to station. and the reason is that i think it has become less viable for a method now to carry on with the genocide, which is the basic demand of the as early right. lang, this early religious, right? when i think that's in the out now, sees is best political hopes,

not in the settlers and the populace that in the center that is actually protesting against him. i think he thinks that if an election is called him is all over the next few months. there's a good chance these people might end up voting for him. she's capable of being seen as the man who could cite the war that could also bring the quote and quote, this for you. what's gonna happen once israel gets all of the captives back it, is it gonna say, well, we don't need this deal anymore and it's back to business. as usual. you have to separate, you have to distinguish between different kinds of israel. it, nothing. ya is israel, which by the way, may not be the same 6 weeks from now. he's aiming and alone. and in the trouble, the coalition may want to continue the war averages rallies, who supported the genocide whole heartedly, even if they did so quietly, they have tired of the genocide. they think the genocide didn't work. they don't

want to see the genocide through not because they care fit for the plight of the palestinians because they think is all had a chance to reach a solution and the solution is not reached. this isn't a discourse that you hear repeatedly and his early social networks. there is agreement from just about every circle except the most diehard religious right? that, uh, this war was fun that lead and manage sadly. and now this is all about a lack of professional is within the out is a very, very smart politician. he knows this, he is israel despite, is there any further stations to the contrary? and i think he sees that shift and that shift is a marked one. and if you live here again, i can't emphasize this enough. this isn't because it's riley's have remarried on the genocide or think the genocide was wrong. they think the genocide was right. i think it was appropriate action. they just think we sell. so now it's a narrative of state of leadership and it's a narrative of bringing about change. and it's nat geo stopping door and rebuilding as early as are now in to living independently of palestinian lies. whereas

a month ago or 2 months ago, they definitely saw our, their livelihood as deeply connected to toasting invest. okay, try to bring you in an interest to them, but forgive me and i just want to go back to the end and get them another a view from, from, or a about how much the current operation dana in the west bank is to do with nothing you know, who's needed to put kate the extremist in his government. oh, definitely, definitely. and the fact that we're seeing that there close to $900.00 check points, was very small place. the fact that we see that the, that these really army is in bathing places like sion in the fact that they are going after instilling palestinians. this is on the one hand, while they stop the genocide in, in the gaza strip after reaching agreement. they're now taking it out on the west bank and this is again, it shows the fact that it less is real. a stock is going to continue full steam

ahead. the problem is, is that the only way that israel continues to behave is that it has to create this mindset of in security. and this mindset that there is a, that there are people that need to be defeated. the fact that they've seen that the policy is, are emerging from this genocide and are happy with the fact that the prisoners are being released. this is something that the extreme right wing is pushing and saying that they must crush and so hands they turn their sides to the west bank and are, are doing in, in the west bank precisely. but on a smaller scale, what they did in the gaza strip for you, i saw, you know, to get agreement the at least some of what the, i had to say. yes i, i think i agree with that again as to say, but i would like to add the risk between the right when the settlers and the greater majority of the jewish population in this world is growing. there are even voices within uh the settler camp were saying, we need to stop the war. not because of wrong about fighting it because this is

turning into our war. this is no longer a national war. we will be blamed for this failure when it wasn't using our failure . and i think that's an important point. i have no doubt that the quote unquote cooperation in the west bank is an attempt to appease the settlers. that's classic that the now he always plays both ends against the middle and tries to tell everybody what, what they want to hear. but that the reality, the political reality, as i understand it in israel, is not favorable to this agenda. operations in the west bank or something as early as they're used to their, their friend is counter terrorist. they're seen as professional, they're not seen as political, but the gaza genocide. the guys a war is as early as think about it is now seen as political. it cns victoria mostly because it failed. nobody likes to failure. uh and most is at least, you know, turning against the war. they're not really turning against them. yeah. they're

trying to find somebody fault for the mismanagement of the war that's disclose here here. and as i said, the discourse of professionalism, and most as early as far as they're concerned, they have moved on a god signing away as those are. they're not going to go back to gaza, not to bomb, not to fight. garza is yesterday's news. now we have to find a practical solution when it comes to the genocide in gaza is at least consider themselves now. religious as ridiculous, is that sense to how do you know what to reflect on? the jubilant seems to be so in ramallah, on saturday, upon the return of some of the, the 200 people released from is really prisons was who but been held without charging administrative detention, some of whom spoke about being tortured and deprived of food. and also since they the bill to the 7th, a tax dependent standing is there's been a hero, something but the present issue represents some of the security of the story,

odious manifestations of the occupation for palestinians. and some of the resistance movement has always stressed the commitment to free those prisoners. so and i think we also have to consider that many of those prisoners that have been reduced and the offset to be released are held without trial. and those that do end up going to trial, these trials are held in a way that do not even meet the minimum standards of international. what would be considered to be an especially for the fest on the trial. so it's not about whether the hell does heroes gets about the injustice that this really ultimately represents what the prisoner issue represents human rights for that. savannah, as documented, dozens of cases. if the system it could be use that widespread torture and is ready jails and says that at least 60 palestinian prisoners of have died in detention since october 7th, 2023. and what it says, giles, would it become torch attempts such as the scale of abuse,

the best of them says that it best now be considered state policy? is it, i mean, it absolutely is. i don't think there's any denying that there is a systematic policy in terms of the way that israel conducted sweeping master risk campaigns even now during this hostage, a prisoner stream is re exchange deal wasting. israel released as many prisoners. that is, as it is arresting in the west bank and i understand contracts because of an in terms of a systematic abuse as we were hearing. and this became a systematic policy that has been documented for decades. and suddenly those practices haven't changed. they definitely expand already to but there is absolutely no denying that this is a breakdown. is ready state policy, something or even is ready. politicians have come out an open need exciting, and is really media data prisoners say that they've been subjected to regular, severe, arbitrary violence including sexual assault, others, other abuse such as salvation. russians and

a denial of access to basic hygiene supplies was, was constant. they say, what is, why would you think that will be held to account for its treatment of, of palestinian prisoners? one would hope so, but the track record is that that will never happen. and the other frightening part about all of this adrian is that nobody will be held to account even internally. in other words, this isn't just the question of whether israel be held to international standards, but we've seen that this has become so commonplace inside israel. that when the allegations of rape were coming out earlier this, this past summer, there were people who are literally rioting in order for it to continue to be able to rate house demands who were held in in this really a prison caps. and so there is neither a reckoning internationally nor is there a reckoning that's happening internally inside israel either. so while i certainly hope that people would be held to account the track record has been that nobody

gets held to account for any of this. this is why we have the system that's lasted for, for more than half a century of 58 years now. of, of master us where people want on nearly one end of every 2 men, ends up spending time. and then as really prison because of this revolving system of mass incarceration. and it ends up being the case of the only way that housed and in prisoners housing captives are released. is through this mass, this, this mass ways that the ends up happening, either through the signing of an agreement or through these types of these fires. here's the problem, is that unless that system gets broken, unless israel sent a message, but this is wrong, unfortunately, this is what we're going to see this happen again and again, or a going back to the scenes of jubilation and run out of how, how those being viewed in israel and the release of the full is where the soldiers

was accompanied by a shop, considerable forced by all strength by how much, what impact is, is that have that in israel and on that and you know, who do you think i the oh is early assigned it in fury and in fact is early prison authorities did their best to try and prevent any images of palestinian celebrations. reaching is, are the eyes resorting to ludicrous means like darkening bus windows and uh someone. uh, but uh the ceremony the hand to go to a ceremony that took place to 1000 square and gaza. a really infuriated israelis, uh, they use it as a platform to constantly discuss and will not discuss the constantly repeat and drive home a point that seems self evident in his early years, which is that is all enjoy such a vast moral superiority in comparison to how much that it's almost, you know,

unbelievable that from us allows itself to conduct its ceremonies to this is psychological terrorism. this is again and again and again an indication of what animals they are and how sub human the entire palestinians struggle as reflected by from aust is. and then in that context, i'd like to to add to it. uh janice said that the really for saying about the as early attitude as far as i can understand it from my vantage point here inside is not so much the the, the, the actual hatred or the desire for gas or a bloodless uh with regard to the palestinians really horrible thing is the flippant indifference, is this notion that palestinians or something not there. and therefore anything that happens to them is completely irrelevant beside the point not. and then to affects the state of affairs as they are in the field. i think that's the best way

to describe the general state of affairs as far as the majority of choices or at least society is concerned. sure, there are those who would like to kill as many palestinians as possible, but ask your average non religious is early, who defines him or herself as a centrist, if they want to kill to us. and he is the answer. and, you know, with, with an ad in the negative, of course we don't, we have no choice that you know, what are you going to do? that's the really horrible thing. that is the effect that the human is ation, that they are not described to this idea that palestinians are, they are simply as objects for a jewish, his early subjects to manipulate that is the source of evil. that is what must be broken and until it is broken, i don't think is will change in any significant. so how do you, what, what do you make of that? but there are, there are plenty of people who want to see this deal fail. but given the scenes of, of jubilation that we saw yesterday, there's, do you think,

give grace on them in terms of the process? perhaps we can, the, the, the stats that, that, that, that, that the difference that the already was talking about. it's def, sorry, it's difficult to to really expect to, to, to sort of we can sort of in difference. i don't mean has been any indication to that effect. i think most of the fact that you've around this current prisoner hosted exchange deal. you also have israel cost any shipping them off 1st, around the hostage exchange. first that's claim that from us is breaking what had been agreed upon in order to continue to kind of, i guess, give itself discretion or something like ations. and this, these 5 d o in terms of the return to the, not a given that it's israel came enough from us, did not release when it goes to does that make sense? was supposed to be released alongside the other for yesterday. so, i mean it's, it's really difficult to, to sort of see that shift in, in, in changing public attitudes, at least in his role where we're not really seeing that pressure ways real has

continued since the starting to cease by a to violate a lot of it. obligations that were supposedly agreed upon. and again, going back to the point about the fact that those, that all meant to be guaranteeing that israel sticks this obligations have not done not in, in, in any way. in fact, if anything they have also particular and we're spending a lot of what is what is or was actually to do, you have agreed to data. that's got to president trump. what are we to make of his comments aboard air force one on saturday that he wants to see. jordan and egypt acceptable. punched in your refugees as gauze as quotes of demolition size. and then we should clear the whole thing out and say, you know, it's over, there's 2 things to say to that. first. how about letting them return back to their original homes, which were lambs and homes that were taken over with the establishment of the state of israel? 80 percent of guys population are refugees and their refugees from the land that is

right adjacent to gaza. and so how about that as a, as there's some sort of deal, instead of kind of trying to come up with a different space in place where they can go to egypt or whatever. it's this idea that the palestinians are somehow ponds and that we are people who are just going to be the recipients of any type of harm or damage or supposed to just simply accept it. but there's something else to say as well, which is that this is what the by did ministration had also been talking about very early on. very early on there was a, there were some papers that were coming out from the white house talking about allocating funds to egypt and elsewhere in order to as they put it, relocate pulse demands. and at the time when palestinians were saying that this is a split concept, because that's what it is. everybody came out and said, no, this is, you know, you're, you're somehow and this is some sort of fantasy of yours. but it's clear that what it is that israel wants israel wants to get rid of the house shipments,

and they want posted in land. and the question is whether the world is going to stand up to trump, or whether this is just gonna, they're gonna allow him to view this as some sort of business deal or some sort of real estate deal. there is a history to gaza. gaza city is the largest posted in history, and this idea that somehow you can just erase that and build a new is very problematic. and instead we should be thinking about actually the root cause of this. and that is letting policies go back to their homes. and what has occurred a israel or was this trump just free wheeling took care of the top of his head? or is he somehow verbalizing is where the objective says as deanna hinted at that was that perhaps some side deal? do you think that was agreed to to get the cease file over the line before trump's integration, or does he genuinely, incredibly know? i usually think that causes the best served by but being a move the moved away from the land. i don't think trump cares without guidance and

i don't think the trunk has the stamina and the. ready broad enough world you to generate some kind of comprehensive deal, certainly not before his inauguration, if he has exactly the right kind of tenacity and, and the sort of the devil may care advocate because he genuinely doesn't care. to help bab generate a ceasefire deal of the sort that we're seeing now. i think there's a general resemblance between trumps and all and as well as i know and that is destroy 1st. you know, no questions asked as comprehensively as you can. and then try and throw all kinds of solutions up against the wall and see what sticks. i don't think there's a plan in place to remove the palestinians from the land. and again, as in his early, i think car are settlers or religious right. certainly wants guys i but i think the majority of these families are not interested in gaza and they're not interested in

the empire. i think they're interested in seeing the palestinians either gone or in full awareness of their place, which is having palestinian neck under israel's boots. that is an effective solution is early start. we could do this with the genocide, but i think again it's for all for all the world to see. and i think trust behavior supports this assertion. the genocide has failed, genocide and gather has failed as early as now without any sort of real option because of the new care to prepare a real option for the images that we saw today from the lebanese village is chasing his early soldiers that the thousands or tens of thousands are a place to return to the ruins of their homes and northern guys who are waiting for the okay. if they started to walk like the lebanese villagers did, visual has absolutely nothing to do. ok, sort of bombs them or begins to fire on them in systematic fashion,

visible assessor the consequences. i can't make this point often enough. is there a is not try on the list is all, hasn't one nobody here feels as though something has been more. israel isn't a very bad way, is all seals and understands that everything it set out to do has failed, according to every benchmark itself. that said, 15 months ago, we are now without options because we never took the effort to make. so i think trump in a way is very much, is rarely in that sense. he has no idea what to do. it's loading these idea is not willy nilly. i'm sure they were said to him by advisors, but i don't see any chance that this thing will happen to, to honey a. so you know, to get agreement in place as the what do you have to say to the israel's policy has always been to prevent permanency of processing and presence on the line. and we've seen that through various systematic measures, but as we'll have to see it over the decades argument of what we're storing cause of the last 15 months has been an acceleration of israel's policy to process since

2007, which is to make it completely on nimble and that's what it's done. it's invested a lot to it to effectively destroyed garza and make it completely uninhabitable. it's very unlikely that it's going to allow for the resettlement and reconstruction of district anytime soon. we're seeing that in, in, in the prevention of, of, of the movement of people from the south to the north. does idea that, you know, israel construct quotes of people from moving back to their homes. i mean, we've seen that we've seen his ro by like the tons of the seas project deal since day one. where on the 1st day we saw his real shoot 15 year old boy who was returning home to sorry, returning to his home rough. and just yesterday we saw some of the images of people trying to return from to the northeast. so, so this, you know, this, this idea of, you know, the israel wanting to, to effectively display posting is because it does something that policies results as well as regional states were wondering about since the beginning of this on sort of joining itself. went so far as to claim that any potential attempt would be

considered a declaration of war. uh, so an, you know, posting in finance, dissipating, including those privy to the seas. finally, go share some since november by the way. that potentially, if we did find it didn't and cause a be of the cost of integration. okay. i'm sorry to interrupt you, but where, where, out of time, manufacturing date data bu, through or a go bug. add to heidi stuff to thank you for watching. don't forget, you can see the program again at any time by going to the website, which is 0 is our com for further discussion, why don't join us at our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash h a insight story. and you can join the conversation on x on handle the h a inside story from the adrian. so they get on the team here. and so we'll see you again. life on the north and south korea to nations. technically still a tour,

as relations between the neighbors deteriorates some tiny south korean islands are in the firing line. 101 east meets the island. there's costs between 2 korea's announced to 0 the the long walk home off the 15 months of genocidal war. israel allows palestinians to return to the know the time. some of these i them, this is i'll just say are live from the hall. so coming up, the families were unites with loved ones in northern gauze, often is right. the sage, the last 3 months.