the previous government decided against it that i was out on the hunt and i did up at the thought of leaving my customers to buy you. i loved them so much and i can only show it by providing them with books. one syrian university student tells me how different the mood here is today. when compared to the orwellian atmosphere he used to encounter. there was a lot of fear around the thoughts felt like a few of the 1984 like the big brother. so it's that sounds like there's no more the big picture of it anymore. but severe censorship isn't the only reason these establishment have suffered. now i'm saying that knowing that israel was always like that in regard to its treatment to present in the side the mobile to and this is a refrain where we seek new conversations and perspective in the series will be

discussing one of the most consequential issues of the war and gaza, israel's military con, my guess this week is usually novak of prominent political activists for me as well . for 5 years you need lead, breaking the silence, an organization of ideas, veterans speaking out against the occupation in the west bank and gaza. now she's the executive director of but selim, one of the leading is really human rights organizations because of what needs been labeled the correct to the state of israel. eunice, thank you so much for joining us today. your grandparents are holocaust survivors and your grandfather was a member of your good design is melisha and you yourself grew up as a zionist and i wonder what zine isn't means to you today. is it the same sign as some of your childhood is around me with her as compared?

and that wasn't q, but it was the 1st time for me that they was part of an organization between investigate the army conduct and what we figure out quite quickly and was, was very shocking to me. is that the human price that of this come thing, which back then was unthinkable. we're talking about 60 days of fighting over 2000 people killed it over 500 children, killed, mass destruction, you know, talking about this today. it's feels like you know, but then it was the 1st time i understood that what i'm seeing, what i'm looking at is not the you know what the, what the is rolling, what these really all me calls collateral damage. is not something that was done by mistake, but the shocking thing to me was 1st to understand that 2nd,

this understanding stood inch various. this struck contradiction to every thing i knew about these early all me and the possession of the posting and people that has taken place throughout the past. they are in israel. and that's thoughts from the the top. and you probably remember just the days after the war stall, the, the coming, our prime minister stood there. and so in and talk to the soldiers going out to gaza and told them the whole at the show side of han malik. yeah. on the, remember what i'm gonna look into, you know, that is a dog we sold to every is rarely because we call all of us learned in school what the malik did to us and what we, what was needed an older like god, to do to him a lick and that is to kill everybody. no, to leave anyone behind. and that is just one example, right,

because our ministry of defense a few days later said we are fighting animals and we need to treat them as such. but you know, the ongoing public discourse and israel even mainstream, very mainstream media, is basically talking about there are no civilians and there are no in some people in gaza. and so just when, when, when you think about this sentiment and take into account that these rel, republic is really strong with us, really traumatized from the a events and backpack of an october 7th. the same way as any other element in this role that is critical of our government. and that is, you know, that's a process that is not due next to each route, right? it's something that we see in many countries. but in the, in the case in a more specific case, it is,

or even boring the other places because the 1st victims of this process are again post stance. and i see a link between the, at the 2 tours issues, right. ellis, who are the opposing, even the, the, the policies of the government, not the basic principles of it. and the conduct sofa these riley, all mean gaza and also in the westbank. you've personally faced a tax for your, for your human rights were from the time of breaking the silence and, and now you're the executive director of a bit selim. and but said them recently released the report titled, welcome to how about the abuse and torture of palestinians held in his rarely custody since october 7th. can you tell us what your findings revealed but selim, is there really isn't these really organization, but our team or staff are both but

a little bit more about that type would be interested in hearing. you know, it's hard for me to answer about the circle sizes because there are lots, but i think everyone, everyone israel is info stands lift to the israel palestine paying huge price for living under the suppressing her shame. and i'm not trying to make a symmetry in between the price that is paid by the oppressed and by the pulse stand in and, and by the $1.00 that's cost a superior estimate use. but you know, it, this device, and this am, is something that is logical because we are really different in that sense. combine that with the basic knowledge off, all feelings of persecution because of the whole of costs because of the history of the real history of the jewish people. and the outcome of

faith is, is i think, the creation of, of, of, of the very good thing. that's what people that are almost to can see suffering of the other usually you, you've written in your memoir and they wish that for him. but more than that, i just wish that for every child in his right past time and really every child everywhere would be lucky to have that kind of future. thank you so much, julie novak for being here on, reframe on. thank you to our audience in london. for joining us today for. ready

more than half a 1000000 palestinians return to northern garza, but they faced and uncertain future with an eminent is very bad on a vital lifeline. the un agency for palestinian refugee the officer. this is obviously the light from doha. most of the coming up leaving a trail of destruction is there any forces killed at least 21 palestinians in the occupied west by the defense ministers as, as troops will remain in jeanine in.