paddle in a few more minutes, but 1st offensive. monahan has the support deep sea consent shockwave through the global technology sector. the chinese generative a ice start ups as it can get results comparable to that of its us rivals and deliver them at a fraction of the cost and processing power. this is going to be much more accessible, especially financially to broader audience. and it really opens the plans through monetization strategies that a lot of the, you know, western iphones that has been working on developing the deep seek team says it only costs around $6000000.00 of trans artificial intelligence model. compare that to open a light decrease or a chest. the bt we spends around $3000000000.00 a year on a i training america, seen it a lot, investment boom, venture capitalist investing more than $60000000000.00 and start ups in the past year. on top of that tech firms like amazon, microsoft, alphabet, and massa or each estimate to spend between 9,

which was actually nice. second lesson here in silicon valley is becoming clear that deep seats, we have use the open a i g p t for model to train it's model using a technique called distillation. it shows that deep seek is basically reimbursed versus engineering proprietory models and adding training. but without permission and licenses. so we've seen this going on, and we actually think that what they've been able to is the davids and the god could also stay the chance against a glass that's coolest. it's a temptation for men to size the degree of deep. so you can to attribute this through national models a china way. i think that's up in front end and frank opinion on my part, i don't think that's necessarily warranted. you know, for the simple fact that deep sea conflict floors, precisely because about horizontal, how ends you hierarchical and how funny mentally liberated and full so free. it's the constituent workers design is and take tons. what able to, you know, what cohesive light, as opposed to walk me through by strictly defined hierarchy in arriving at a common state of goal. and that is to arrive at some semblance of breakthroughs

and substantially reducing costs. while schools accomplishing the same level of achievement as open a i, when it comes to of course, you know that the models that develop side runs right? because necessities, the mother meant invent innovation and invention, right? trying to prove you can actually try to achieve some of these results without, with less strips less power. and more importantly, you know, less resources. and that's what people want to know is can we get the faster, better, cheaper, and a heights because so far the race that y'all has been very, very expensive. but the reality is what they've done is they've done that. but they've also talked to you a stock market at the same time. so the perception of valuations. and so it was like the psychological operations. because if you look at some of the reports, we saw a huge rise in chinese base social media activity. and in pakistan and fig accounts in australia. and it seems like a coordinated attack on the us during tech learning season. on the other hand, it's a reality chat to us companies. why are we spending $80000000000.00 on data center development for companies like microsoft, amazon, and google, and that, that also is an important piece. absolutely. like donald trump says, i mean he's pulled it a wakeup call. totally given everything that ray has said,

how do you see the various sanctions export controls that the u. s. a ministrations have put on paul folks that never actually set foot upon the us who grew and talents look, play natively trained in china. these are signs and cutting off ties adults in gen ring. this is his power noise in the states for ethnic toy design just good by while back fire on us as attempt to be grades or donald trump is pledge to make that america technologically great again. and finally, just right quickly, you know, at the end of the day, the wild as laws and in both china and the us not small and medium states as powerless as it may seem to be supervision. they are in fact, increasingly likely to not want to take sides and not comply. strictly speaking with a sort of semi conduct the restrictions and other forms of advanced export control, as we say to you as adult. and we see that from southeast asia and malaysia and indonesia, but also increasingly from known aligned talk policies and corporations who frankly leave these restrictions on the behaviors and orthodontic detrimental to the

corporate interests, but also to the pace and pro risk. often let's go discovery, say she was tardy. i know that you told me you were saying about, you know, what this could mean for access for countries that don't have a lot of money to spend on this technology, to build assistance from scratch. what that can mean for democratizing a i, i do want to ask you about that in just a moment. but since we are talking about how the impact that this has had on the us rate, where you are, how do you expect donald trump to react to what's happened as well . it's very hard to predict what donald trump is going to do. something i would say that in general we, we have been in a non connecticut more with china for the past 10 years. and i think this is what people are realizing. and because it's under, i say, green folks are working nights in the home and different. i'm sick of fun, take support of donald j trump. so whatever the president sees to be integral to the country or more precisely as president of these interest,

they will execute and start with a would execute very well and flawlessly. now does it say if trump is bent on securing a so called grad bargain of thoughts with china and preserving a grand piece of clay piece none the less died? imagine that many of these folks just by the own personal views within the defer to the lead or in the white house and case sensitive questions. how much of a challenge is chinese government? censorship, do think it is a challenge for it's aspirations internationally as well? if you're offering it for free and it's an open system, i think that's part of the bargain, right? you're getting it free, but you're also getting the chinese view of the world. right? and i think that's by design. so i think it users using that have to take that into account, you know, but what toby was saying is true, right? you can download that on your machine or machine. all you need are for c p use or a g p, u. it's actually pretty light, you can do that, people are going to work on stripping out the training censorship as well. so they'll be models, they'll be able to take that out and put that back into use. but what we are defining is really the fact that, you know, we don't need,

we really need to democratize and decentralize us. but you also have to understand who's providing you that technology, right? if it's coming from the us. so have the us bias are coming from china, the china bias, and you're going to see that with other countries, specific types of models that are out there. um, every country is gonna want to put their cultural constraint there as well as responsible a i constraints because everybody has a very different view of this. and so we're almost at this point where, when we were in biotech and we're doing biotech research like what kind of genetic research is, okay, what is humanity? okay with and then we're going to see how these bodies come into place, trying to regulate square a. i is at that point in time, but right now it's, it's the canary islands of a it's hopefully for all especially in terms of trying to figure out how to get to the advancements as quickly as possible. and then of course, society, typically 3 wheels in all those different areas, the regulation over time. so we're going to see that and we'll see that curve just like we did with the internet until the is that free for all the good for the technology right now as well. i mean, the, a fundamental question is, is, comes back with this type of source,

which is that if everyone could download the models, have any restrictions that you might put in whether it be about to about 200 square or bio weapons could easily be removed. so it is going to be more interesting, more difficult, more challenging to regulate. if you know, open source wins isn't open source as many, many about use, but they also have some challenges. it turns out, i mean, if the age of that runs all night. so software has been fantastic for building mean to that. um it looks that it is a good job. the open source whitney a i rice as well. but then that does pose those kinds of, of questions, which is how do we ensure that it is used in responsible way. and brian, we're coming to the end of our show. i'd like to get to a, a final question. why is this race the a i race so in pollution to both countries? what does it that's at stake? i'm the shawnee side b as in those are arching judgments from amongst its lead. is that the reason why the soviet union collapsed and fundamentally lost the cold war was because it's

failed and lease the sort of new productive forces by the men's productivity and also harness the holy grail of technology and not as wide from the point to the c p c, winning this race, even though it's not a war and they're all eyes and they don't want that to be a war between the 2 parties is of paramount importance and for mistakes. of course, i think washington is trying to still trying to grapple with the implications of a rising power in china. one that is far from being able to displace to america by the way. and so many ways. and yet, you know, the fact that china has accomplished so much over the past 4 decades as clearly i know many in dc. and there's a concern that if the chinese are indeed assigning level to level so to, to show it over the americans, that a well order might be one that is unfamiliar to those would enjoy the evidence of the post cold. when will you need probably the moment. so the way i see it as at the last for a come to political strategist as often think about both powers would benefit from recognizing tennessee. so the risks of unbridled a g i, and also unregulated

a. there is no way not from a to a political point to view. we all lose. and yet we're the powers that be come to realize that well, i can only stay cautiously optimistic. thank you. right. i, you cautiously optimistic. oh, i'm cautiously optimistic in general. i think we're going to have a good arms race on a slide. i think what's at stake here is really do a political influence. china is able to influence a lot of countries with their money, with their technology and with their ability to develop those nations. the us has not been paying attention to the geopolitical space. we've been asleep at the wheel for the last 4 to 8 years, and i think we're paying the price for that. and so this is a warren off runs kinetic digital. and of course, you're going to see more as we get into space as we get into the polar caps. so this is just one part of the over on us international strategies. and i think you're see much more active as president than we have in the past. and just lastly toby, because right mention space, there's so many that are holding this a possible sputnik moment, you know,

referring to the soviet union's successful launch of an artificial sash, live over thing, earth and i believe in 1957. how do you see this event in the biggest a i race and i think it's an important stepping stone, so we know what he's got to be the next industrial revolution that last it does revolution day for us in the west, high cold as he lives. he doubled life expectancy, adults a mistake in the loan, so that will do the same for peter. many more people on the planet. well though, i must say i'm a bit pessimistic of a short so it's going to be a pretty bumpy ride. the next 5 or 10 years gentlemen, it has been great to get all of your expertise on this very interesting topic. we really appreciate your time. that is re long in to put to know a california bro, toby walsh in sydney and bryan wong's in hong kong. and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out

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