us and certainly many hundreds of palestinian prisoners who are spending life sentences. so this is not the type of present, but is there any is drawn link up to date? it's a different type of prisoners who have sacrificed eyes where for their homeland cutting . so my tax that we're not necessarily you know, that as far as many of us acceptable, but this certainly justified them as being part of the resistance against occupation. and they ended up with decades and decades and prisons for them to be released as a whole other more game. it's not just your main issue. it's a political strategic issue within the framework of the i symmetric award that is going on between is running the percentage and as you're talking to a small run, just with reference to what you were talking about. and with regards to the friends and family awaiting the palestinian prisoners, we can see live pictures now from the law of the coaches, close thoughts of the prisoners,

some of the prisoners. and at least one of the coaches who are arriving in the amount of we're going to be watching, of course, to see what kind of reaction, what kind of response the crowds do when those prices come off those coaches. and of course, how the a is there any security voices respond to that? but i do want to ask you upset and draw the question in terms of the ceasefire. pardon me, we're now in the very early stages of negotiations as far as what is known as phase 2 of this as far as concerned once your assessment so far of whether or not we're actually going to get a phase 2 and this is 5 based on what we've seen so far, well, i tell you the images that they've seen today certainly infuriates me. right? so we can cover my thing is are the criminal of the pressures government and certainly there would be dying to go back to more like literally and figure the

place to go back to what i need to get an appointment to gather some more and try to get and kind of more how my site does and how much the it is on software. that's the 1st impression best. the 1st thing that could probably come to the mind of is very decision makers. and that's why it probably how much of sticking a bit of a risk here by continuously rubbing israel is no, it was in the dirt by continuously human. it thing. nothing. yeah. oh, by showing golf in this figure electrical way about how confident they are. that's got certainly going to push that video and his help to re county the, you know, with the war restart toward because that's the only way they can maintain their base. which now problem yet good point to we just like usually them of failing miserably. so yet typically to achieve the objects of the water because have masses, you know, struggling around new and there's and jamalia. i mean the fact that they could

release the captive autumn, the ones of ship by the come on. this must be in few, we're thing and human the item is ready to go. all right, which as i said, go to eventually because these people are crazy, you know, 1st installed water earlier than later. the only balancing act today is the top of ministration. and it's out of our lives who really don't one another war for a continuation of war. and guys, i think for trump produce was biden's war. he wants to go beyond if he wants to talk about the pastor. right. and so i think uh with golf is uh his special ed him for to the region is trying to see how best he can restart the 2nd phase. that's why he actually wants to cut the guys out. you know, he wants to make sure that everything continues on schedule and try to get in fact, the more captives how early or later in order to move to whatever these 2nd or rather the 3rd phase is 2nd, 3rd phase,

which involves opening up to normalization protection out of countries like so, the, not those bringing into americans to, you know, with the promises of perhaps some sort of body construction and what have you in order to distance how much. and that's key here, by the way. so despite the fact that how much is that, you know, exhibiting signs of confidence and fearlessness and so on, so forth. but we all know that the united states and tired of all, i didn't put, enjoy that in egypt. and those who have leverage about what could get in on how to gaza the next few months and years. no one is going to house rebuilds and gods or what, how much is a control? so this is a question that's be going to be 1st way that yesterday or how much shows as it releases captive a certain confidence, but how much it's time for realizes that the intermediates one in the short that it can be a thought and it has no place in winning difficult garza because no one that is

capable of helping the construction of gaza is going to do it. what have mass physical choice? i'm certain. see if these writers will not allow it. small. i'm thank you very much indeed for now. modeling the shot. obviously the senior political analyst talk to the smith from the hive just before we move on, i want to just bring you a couple of bits of information from those of you just joining us. we're watching pictures of coaches counting what we believe it, a $110.00, a palestinian prisoners released from offer prison and elsewhere just within the last hour or so. and the coaches have made their way to them all of these a life pictures from the crowds of friends and family. well bushes who we understand are waiting for the prisoners to get off those coaches. and is going to be interesting to see what kind of reaction, the prisoners getting these really security forces have been adamant that there should be no celebration of the prisoner's release. we are also cheating that among the free prisoners today is one of the most prominent prisoners of the spots of

movement. is that gonna have somebody to now we understand he will not be allowed to return to any. did you need refuge account in guys or that is because of as many military operations there, that's what we're being told. it is also being described as a form of punishment. however, but just to reiterate that they, one of the most prominent present for prisoners being released today is from the facts. how long does that could i have somebody that who will not be allowed to return at to you jeanine refuge account already go back as an israel political commentators joining us instead of a void is a political on it. let's. he's joining us with that for him. in the occupied by spies party, i want to come to you 1st. i wanted to talk to you just very briefly about this delay that we saw. the stalling by the office of these ready prime minister who set out is that after the scenes that we'd witnessed in conyers, the crowd surrounding one of the was ready to capt as who was being released. he described those scenes as shocking and said that at that point he was going to

stall in definitely the release of the palestinian prisoners. we're seeing that release now happen. how much of that do was that of a boat concerns about the safety of the as a captain, and how much of it was just about israel essentially seizing the opportunity to stall the process? i don't know, since you had a clear interest installing the process that i do know that is new here in the room is very, very effectively speaking is you can obstruct and perhaps talk she's good but not much more. so this is an expression of, quote unquote, resistance or a demonstration of suppose and strength. but it really is a demonstration of weakness. that's all israel can do is are, can express indignation and righteous outrage. and it can then bring about obstructions that were very, very quickly resolved. so i don't think it's

a direct attempt installing. i don't think it's an attempt to continue some more. i think the shuttle is right and these are the governments sell jamila united following the discourse and there's other social media all day. i can attest to the fact that many of my countrymen also felt that the images were a richard can demonstrate that the general be see all of the from us and as long as you have and guys are. but again, other than writers, indignation and outraged, and the capability of to obstruct and limit the process of the steel is so can do the very little to paying for the progress of the deal. and you can see the release of the prisoners despite the desire to limit celebrations and the site is around the actions to stop and impede palestinian involvement to the release prisoners. it seems like israel as not succeeded in doing so,

i'm out of the sense of failure is like pervasive throughout his early society. but that failure has not been countermanded, is all continues to sail. so just be, i'm going to come to as have you in a 2nd, but i just want to point out to our view is the mind that we're seeing on the screen at the moment who's waiting through they sent they, when screen of the coach is, is how could i add somebody that is the amount i was mentioning earlier, he is one of the most prominent presidents from the facts of moment. no, he would normally, under normal circumstances, be expected to go back to his home engineering refugee camp. he apparently will not be allowed to return to his name's upon and they were being told because of his really military operations bear. it's also uh, being described as a form of, of punishment is obviously i want to come to you. i want to pick up on a point that are um, political analyst modeling the shot i was making with regard to harm us. we sold the scenes in con eunice where the crowd was surrounding

b as rarely captive as she was being led through towards being handed over to a representative from the i see, i see the, the red crescent homeless has been trying to establish itself as a legitimate player if you like in the future of guys when we see things like that . and of course, things that we saw previously about a week ago with the put, the initial release of is really captive. how does that image that? how much is trying to project being affected by the images that we've been c, the name of many people are now open up all the day after digging does so and for food for many times would not be a part. it clearly either, most of the countries were getting gauge into reconstruction. i've got a, something with the want to deal with problems. so, so what's happening now with the images we have been seeing for over a week now it's up to just to be some decent attempt by how much thing that's up to make clear that there are still in there. and that's mostly what is the master in

gaza. we have to be with them. of course, it does seem it is also for, for a, the attempt for national people to nation at this point. and this part of it for the thing, infections and for the pick up part is to get together for the sake of the recall functional cousin. alright, with regard to the images of how much fighters in, in guys are that we've seen over the last couple of weeks or so how is that playing out in israel, including of course, the scenes that we've seen, where the uh ford is where the captive is where i'm standing on the stage before being moved to the i see i see which these people are in is how can we do this? this is the file psychological manipulation course. the lack of sunflowers is always standing, but that's the initial response. i think underlying that response and being expressed more and more calmly and across is early society is again,

a sense of saying this is the situation. after 15 months. they can still struggle around and do some orchestra. these are what have we done? what has israel accomplish? now there are quite a few as early as most of them on the right say, okay, we see what they're doing. again, they're in the house. we will complete the seo and get our hostages back and go back to the site. but i think it's safe to say that the center of a journalist, silent during the sea. well, i think this is the failure is much deeper and more precisely the sense of outrage . uh that has to do with the lack of trust, initials turn political leadership. but also again, with reality staring as early as in the science this i'm asking to do this is all settled and is this undertaking what most israelis considered, perhaps the most significant commitment in terms of security to deliver uh,

attempted you know, the 16 month more regardless of the genocidal aspects of this sense subjugated israel's entire be from its economy to it's a public discourse. we've done nothing but this is after 15 months of giving everything is we also have to this effort. this is what we see then something's wrong and it won't be corrected more and more. we're just looking at some more pictures. now these are from occupied east jerusalem prisoners. we've just been released arriving at their homes in to meet their families. this is one particular prisoner who has been greeted by by i believe, his mother and all the relatives there is that yeah, i wonder why it's in the side a little bit because of the scenes that we've seen both today and previously. how do you think that is playing out in terms of the wider and our communities the wider are countries around the world, particularly, or in the region? who many are now turning to to have some sort of influence with regards to the role

that they may play and the rebuilding of guys. and of course, who may control guys or i think it's very important to point out, but this expire is largely egyptian then the company will not be trained. and the nice thing about her being penalized by not just part of the route. i also would like to to point out that the, one of the main bulls that previous use of the station, which was normalization between solar radio and eastern, has been posted so far. a science october, the 7th. and i think it's very important to understand the big so do you diety, with honest, fine, for a lot of people, goals and nations in general, it has been at the top it over the past, if 16 months. so i think it gets a unique opportunity. honestly and hoss now took, i think the last 8 on these 3 or the p a moment, which i think you have even more thing is extremely well with regards to it. when

the strategies excuse, month to month is actually a strengthening kind of thing. and if i'm gonna use a lot to set up bringing it, it's basically a responsive player, but they're saying basically the piece to ask for you, they are seeing now many us let me see the party investment 3. what's going on now? a, it's not just a big 24 hour pharmacy, but also raises some expectations from when that kind of thing. and goals is going to be picking in the next few months already with regards to what you were saying in terms of israel's actions and guys, or they may bile as you were pointing, suggesting may well be a feeling that israel has not succeeded in its goals as far as guys was concerned and never the less we are seeing, of course, continuing operations in the occupied westbank and more arrests happening during that during those rates as well. is there a suggestion?

do you think that we're going to see an intensification of military action by israel in the occupied westbank as we may? but again, this action and the rest think is more an act of desperation. this is all is without ability to shape its uh, uh, security surroundings that's causing that to westbank is still a place that is all can enter easily can operate and easily. so it's all is appearing to go over the top as much as possible. content is metallic, arresting as many people as possible, but this is not an operation that has an n p. this is a display of presence in activity and it comes within the context of again, this failure across the board. the sense of pointless and remember is always been doing this new mustang for decades. granted, this is escalate environments. this is in many ways par for the course. this is an

attempt st. joe's government to project a sense of everything is as it should be. we're doing what we need to do for mowing the lawn. we're fighting terrorism, but as the reality of israel's escapades, and then the lease is crashing down on his roles. it in syria 11. not in the us. this operation in the west bank. i think karen should be seen not as an initial drive towards annexation, but as the last and final resort of, of leadership that has absolutely no other courses x as of yet we're now into the 2nd stage, if you like. as far as the release of the exchange of is ready, captains for palestinian prisoners is concerned. there is a least one more planned. do you think that that gives foreign governments greater confidence when it comes to becoming involved in the future of guys? if there is a sense that the $65.00 process is moving forward, all be it at a very slow pace,

a certainty. and i think it's very important to realize that the, when every 100 agreement is actually the gets portal. how it's going to create the environment to create the conditions for reading the international gauge ones. i think the main question here is whether easterel is treating address to move into a 2nd place and working with the role of the top of ministration. the customer that's been given an was going on a few days to the white house and we still don't know it. what's going to happen? some, some links to a plane at the trump administration wouldn't be dangerous to move into a 2nd phase. but i think that most important here, at least for the state where we are, is going for the ceasefire and we met the broker by egypt. i'm about to be due to the follow up into meeting the when the us in the next day explained. so i just want to ask you a quick follow up question to that because of course we're talking about it. and guys are the great many predominantly young men who have i,

if not been involved with hamas, or one of the other on groups may have been certainly affected by what israel has been doing in the gaza strip. one would imagine also that there are weapons there, there is a munition there. there is, of course, i would imagine the concern that there, it could be another flare up, the resentment that people are feeling. and guys a could spill over. i know it's a reminder one, but imagine i'm just have french on this, these virus. so it won't let me clear up. i happen to know we've had around 400 new business cities and on the same page at this time to get started house progress to another 200 minus 10 years, including what 6 of people are typing. it really is what i'm trying to say here is that the soul for history is not the reason the conditions it for a to be able to think the ceasefire from one side into it, a sort of more or less than a agreement. the nice thing, the key of the issue here is to once again into the costs of the ceasefire by its

own point to end of the prospect of further stated things. what we need here is helped to make use of the basics fire in order to move into a more investing agreement. but i think that's a key, but the issue, so your question, i think was a very correct to the get to pick them up simple addition to this region. because already go back us middle east and voice things that cost on behalf of done president donald trump. is apparently getting a showing since to the families of the remaining captives still being held in god so that the seas 5 deal will continue in your assessment. is this a deal that is being pushed predominantly by outside forces, or is there any force within the correlation of benjamin netanyahu that is anxious to see this this deal? stay in place. the same as any i was saying, the very delicate game here. he's trying to appease the more extreme to subtler

religious right me. elements of his coalition talking the talk, the rough talk about continuing toward. but there is a much, much larger, larger constituency potential voters. and i do like that to the election that it's sure to come in a few months. this is danielle can be seen if someone who spot the war but also brought the peace. he can't say this out, right. he has committed himself to a very sort of blockage hard land position with regard to the war, but i think that's it has very much aware of this. so i think that that is playing both ends against the middle. as he's always done, he wants to appease the settlers that it is much, much more beneficial for him politically. make sure the deal actually happens. so to answer your question briefly. yes. administered it to me. i was interested in seeing the dell come through all the ends of your i want you to stay with me just for a couple of seconds while i go to our correspondent i'm honda. so hope she's joining us from jordan's capital and she's been monitoring what's been going on with the

release of these prisoners. honda, i understand that you were able to give us a breakdown of the prisoners who have been released today. do we know who's being included all of us? that's right, a 110 policy and prisoners released from is really jails today. 2 of them. 32 of them rather like sentences, 48 long sentences and 30 children. and we have a breakdown actually of where they are going. so in exchange for our bill, you who the civilian the 30 children are being released for the soldier, a gun burger 29 live sentences, and 21 long sentences, 3 like sentences and 27 long sentences. forget the moses, the older man and 20 of the prisoners will act fully be deported outside of palestinian territory neither to the west bank neither to gaza. however,

20 of the palestinian prisoners are from occupied east jerusalem. 7 of them are from gaza. so there are several expulsions among the people who are affiliated with some sort of palestinian faction or fighting group, depending on what is real deemed as their crime. these are mainly people with like sentences who would get deported. the initial stage would be for them to go to egypt, and then they would go to various countries that who have accepted them, where they would be living in exile. essentially among them are 2 ts, 2 needs the algeria just to name a few. so these prisoners, now the most prominent of them all is actually, zachary is a baby. you'll remember him most famously, not for his involvement. and then also the martyrs brigade, during the 2nd is the father. but actually, most recently in 2021 during the same mist prison break from the maximum security you'll be deal, but what prison worksheet and 5 other detainees were able to dig

a tunnel out of every day. items from the prison that was around 22 meters long and were able to escape the prison until they were eventually recaptured and rear rested. so he's from the g need refugee camp, but he will be allowed to return there. it's a little bit unclear exactly as to why some sources say it's because of the ongoing is really military operation that's been going on for nearly 2 weeks now. but we are hearing but he perhaps we'll stay in the i'm all lower. he was arrested previously, but there's still a lot that's up in the air because these prisoners are being released. remember that there is no celebrations that are supposed to be allowed here, even though there are people reading these buses. so this is a little bit of a chaotic situation, but of course as the hours continue to unfold, more developments will come as well and of another. thank you very much indeed. have a sahu talking to is from a 9, and we're just looking at some of those pictures there and we can see what, what honda is talking about reflected in the pictures there. that's although the

crowds are quite significant in size and are waiting for the prisoners to arrive, to be able to greet them at the never the less it is quite the subdued. we haven't seen an emotion so far. it will be interesting to see what happens as the buses get closer. i'm gonna go back to our to get started, go back and as of a, i believe that we've been talking through just a few moments ago and already it is very important to these very forces. isn't that to try to attempt done any sort of celebration amongst palestinians, but as we've seen in the past, that is almost impossible to find those approaches finally reached their destination. again, this demonstrates israel's preoccupation with narrative, much less so sex on the brand is always releasing these prisoners. it is powerless to stop the deal, which in many ways is 1st set upon it. and this preoccupation with celebrations, past and in sentiment, it is on the one hand,

very oppressive and is obviously making a special effort to affectively repress any kind of celebrations by threatening and blackmailing interest and relative saw that it is also demonstration of weaknesses . this is what israel can stop the celebrations. that means that is all can stop pretty much everything else. does that mean i want to come to you is that you do a deep at aid. and from the point of view of people who you guys are, who are watching the release of these prisoners a would, one would imagine it is very tempting to be an optimistic about the future of this is fine, but we do have to remember of course, the negotiations, so this is far only barely starting to get talking about the 2nd stage. stage 3, which is the of actual rebuilding of gaza is a long way off. so we have to retain perspective about what we're seeing don't and i think another important point is

a god. so should not be treated as an isolated be so flat guys as an integral part of the multiply kind of thing and to get to where you and what's going on here. you know, part of westbank shows that the will of destroying the government is to continue the bush for annexation. let's not forget, but only a few. the single person of trump is spoke about the green single as been used to being garza and the prospects of reconstruction. in some, for some people actually bullying his line with a, the, the force of displacement for hundreds of thousands or what is the number in addition to what's going on here. if the ok bye to spend the lives, remember up to date, we'd not only have it go sure. go for more to buy and students and also yesterday and how the new law pro industry mean a part of the goals would that allows for jews to buy a private before 14 don't quite suspense, meaning keeps an organization. so we cannot participate in gaza and the reconstruction on one side, in the, in isolated from the, from what's going on here in the next month, or 2 and baldwin exercises,

of an exception, which is a crime against you. mind you've got the international already. let me come back to you. i want to just talk to you about some of the, the prisoners that we've seen released amongst those prisoners have seen prisoners who have been sentenced to life in prison. according to israel. they being charged and convicted of as real as, as committing serious crimes. some of those prisoners are not even going to be allowed to go home. they're going to be moved to is to egypt and then be deported. what is israel's motivation for deporting these prisoners? i have seen arguments to suggest that that could be counter intuitive kind of productive, that it would actually be better to have all prisoners close to for israel can keep tabs on them. the motivation is mostly symbolic, is or wants to demonstrate that it does not forgive. and it does not forget prisoners who are charged with committing serious crimes or have been incentives to

very long prism periods are seeing challenges that are due to progressive deserving of complete with the ration again, this is an attempt to her tail limits and shape the perception of the, the, the release of these prisoners. but i think as you say, it doesn't have much real effect. this is in many ways the train has left the station. the cat is out of the bag. once these prisoners are released, as well as only seeing as more petty, more exacting, and much less focused on the future than it is and making sure it has a certain vantage. and that's, that's, that's basically all it is. there's nothing more, it's certainly not in terms of strategy or any kind of based a fear or concern about renew terrorist act or the call back isn't, is really a political commentator. he's been talking to some kind of, he was heavy, i've only dates

a political analyst was talking to us from the occupied westbank. thank you both very much indeed. let me just very briefly show you these pictures that we're getting from a lot. i know these are the crowds that a honda sahu correspondent has been describing to us who are waiting for the coaches, counting the prisoners to arrive these ready security forces have said that they will not tolerate any form or any demonstration of the celebration when those coaches arrived the specialist released a 110 palestinian prisoners as part of the ceasefire agreement. we've thomas of the 10 digit palestinians, gather the inmates who. yeah. and you also by west, by to welcome home around 30 children among the prisoners released at least 32 of

them were solving life sentences. the.