north time that seems to be engaged in this kind of sort of task, but this is, this might be a good time to remind her of yours that israel has actually outlawed palestinian state. or, i mean, i know laws can change. laws can be reverse, the laws can be passed, but at least that reflects where is really politics are right now. they passed the law some months ago, last year in 2024 outlying uh that was city and state. so you're both, you're both raising the central issue of course, which is a permanent solution. and that's where it's really politics are right now. and that question will get back to it though i have to table this for a moment. it's been more than 2 hours now since the 3rd is really captive being held in gaza with been hand it has been handed over to the red cross american is really national. keeps single appeared on stage and gaza city along with homos fighters in a public display of his release. he was then handed over to red cross stuff, as well as military has now confirmed seagulls arrival there. yes, of course. the great day has arrived. yes, i am happy,

i am happy. there was no one happier than me. i'm ready with everything and i'm going by to meet you in hon. eunice french is really captive offer account. iran also appeared on stage before being handed over to red cross officials. event was significantly smoother in comparison to release days earlier than israel have described as chaotic and moments later yard and b. this was transferred to red cross officials. israel's military says both captive has since arrived on his really territory and they are now receiving medical checks to. and while the release is when done, palestinians have been saying good bye to family members before they leave gaza to get medical treatment. that's something else we're following today. the u. n. has confirmed 37 patients, a company by 44 caregivers are leaving the strip on saturday to be treated abroad.

many are suffering from chronic diseases including cancer and has been unable to get the treatment they need during israel's 15 month for $400.00 palestinians are allowed to go in total as part of the ceasefire deal. but not all will be allowed to return to augusta. wounded palestinians had been cleared to leave god's f, a medical treatment abroad. now the un has confirmed this, the 37 patients just going over those numbers again. they are accompanied by 44 different caregivers. and we are waiting for them to be allowed to leave the gaza strip. eminently tarka boys, whom was in hon. eunice when the patient's began their journey. i am right now with nicer hospital in the southern part of the gaza strip. where right now, the process of evacuating a 100 palestinian one, the patients to receive a treatment outside garza is taking place at the moment. we can see right now

a bus carrying a 100, a palestinian one to patients, is moving from los or hospital to, to the roof of crossing boulder in a rough, lost city as a part of the deal that has been broken by regional mediators. now we can see that the w a o is a responsible offer of transferring the dues wounded patients to receive medical treatments abroad. this step has been seen as a career to come and significant move to mitigate the medical pressure on the goals as badly functional tests, but so we can see them right now they are inside this posts and the local police is facilitating the movements uh the central point of gathering was enough for hospital and now they are moving to a roof of course of the border under the supervision of the w. h o and coordination

with the european union who are right now supervising the r a d o a roof across the board. of incorporation with the egyptian authorities now to respond to patient has been widely and critically injured and they cannot be treated locally or from in the gaza strip. and uh for them right now. uh, this is a lifeline. a step that has been made in order to uh, receive medical treatment approach outside the directory. this is the scene at the moment. this is step has been quite good to come in order to help palestinians to receive permit to coach a mentor. i'm. it's a cook to, to collapse of cause of health care system industry because of it's really military campaign in the territories. direct opposition. oh, just euro from national hospital. can you in us palestine? our daemon is the founder of in our, uh, our way you're, you're a former reporter,

but now you've become a humanitarian. you have been for a number of years in r as your group that you found it is the international network for aid relief and assistance. i know you work with children in particular, including children in gaza. you are joining us from, you stumbled today, but you've been to the strip multiple times during this war. can you bring us a little bit behind the scenes of how something like this works? we know that there have been thousands of people thousands, right? this is the w h o saying there's thousands of people who need care. we need to leave the strip because there is care that they need that they can't get inside the strip. how does this then kind of get worked out on who gets to go as well. actually, cyril, there's more than 12000 people who are on this list are waiting medical evacuation, and among them are 2500 children who actually need to be able to emergency leave. because a strict on, when we say emergency, and these are, you know, children, individuals who either need treatment to quite simply save their life or their ones

that need urgent treatment to ensure that their condition does not deteriorate and put their life at risk. there's an entire system, it's very clunky, it's quite laborious, but basically a patient and they're either their child or guardian, or those we're going to be accompanying them, apply for a medical evacuation and that's how the list starts to be developed. there is a committee within the m o h that then reviews and puts the patients into categories depending on urgency. and then there's a whole coordination of for it that has to happen with israel clearing every single one of the names that is requesting to be evacuated. and so you do get a number of instances where for example, a kid's mother isn't approved for evacuation for whatever reason. so then there's a huge scramble to be able to find another guardian that can potentially on travel with this child. and then of course, you need the whole mechanism which is coordinated by the w h o of actually getting the children out of gaza and then on to whichever 3rd country has agreed to receive

them for medical treatment. but this is a process that has always been extraordinarily painful. it's a process that is very, very slow. and it is a process that quite simply has failed to get medical treatment for all those who need it. or what i'm making an assumption here. but i assume given that this is exactly what you do, you try to bring assistance, including medical assistance and support to children who have been hurt injured, named in wars, not just this for many, many other areas where your, your, where it are a is active. i assume that you would have also put in applications right or wrong, but yes, yes, we will. the, we do have a couple of cases that we are tracking. we also have a very robust program in egypt, actually working with a whole chain of private hospitals where we're providing children who are evacuated with the medical treatment that they need. a lot of it is highly complex, very long term, along with mental health support. we're also providing families with housing,

but now that you bring it up, you know, there's, there's a case of one little girl 0 that we've been tracking for about 2 and a half, 3 weeks. her name is happy, but she's 2 and a half years old. and she had something a condition that is very treatable, the doctor suspect that it's approaching c deficiency. and basically what this does is that means that her blood is over clogging. and what this has resulted in is the severest front of gain green all over one of her legs and 2 of her arms. now on this case, 1st came to our attention again, roughly 2 and a half, 3 weeks ago. her condition was not as bad as it is today. the doctors at that point in time were saying that she would maybe need to lose a portion of her foot. right now what doctors are predicting for her is that she will highly likely lose one of her legs and both of her arms. and this is simply because she was not able to be evacuated on time. it actually, you know, 60 and that was tracking the story and as well. and they were reporting that the jordanians and actually put together this highly complex operation to try to get

have you by out on wednesday the person was initially approved. but then later on, denied, now this little girl is quite literally, clinging, fighting for her life right now from something that yes, it's a rare condition, but it is finally treatable and that is just the 1st case that pops to mind. but we've come across so many hold for the 4 hour. so if we can just continue the case of have people who said no to her being met of act or medically evacuated out of gaza. my understanding is that all of us a we were putting in the paperwork for you know, her to be able to get out for her mother. and for her brother, we were tracking that end of it. and then it was a, you know, when it was meant to be, go, de, these really had initially, you know, told, told the jordanians and this is according to sans reporting that, you know, yes, this operation would be able to go ahead, but then ultimately ended up refusing or not allowing it to go forward. and as of

right now there, there, there is no answer as to, you know, why was this denied at the last minute? and i'm one of the many frustrating things you know, when you're dealing with all of this is you very rarely actually get a reason as to why you're being told, know, and that can, you know, be applied to anything from a medical evaluation to buy certain items aren't being let into gaza to why certain movements aren't being allowed. and while we're on the subject of, you know, things needing in the medical space to get into gaza. who yesterday i was talking to a call to get another organization. you know, they have a case that they're tracking who's in the hospital a little boy and i'll go to the hospital even though there has been the ceasefire in effect, still doesn't have enough bandages or cost to me bags for this little boy to have his cost to me back change properly or what the numbers that we had coming into today and they were provided was confirmed by the world health organization is at 50000 units,

were supposed to be allowed to leave the gaza strip under this deal that we've been explaining right 50 palestinians to go and get medical care outside gaza. and right now it's only 37 and we don't know why. right? that we haven't got a confirmation or an explanation as to why. what was supposed to happen isn't happening. does it? does any of this surprise you, you know, unfortunately, no, there is such sort of murkiness, lack of clarity that surrounds everything, which obviously makes the work of 8 organizations exponentially difficult because we end up trying to figure out a mechanism either to get a child out or to get a child in that actually doesn't have any sort of clear guidelines and we've come across numerous instances where, you know, one day something is okay. the next day. it's not, and you're constituting, this is what i sort of kind of compared to what you're the constantly trying to

sort of mentally turn your brain into upfront sole, to try to figure out how it is to even do the most basic of things like another example you know right now there are yes, hundreds and hundreds of trucks that are going into gaza, which is great. a lot of it is food. but we're also talking about a mass movement of the population, right? 600000 people, roughly moving from the south to the north. there's only been a few 1000 shelter items that have been able to enter the gaza strip. so you have a few 1000 tons for hundreds of thousands of people. if you look at what's happening in the access to clean water to drinking water, garzon still are on able to access sufficient drinking water. if you look at the sanitation infrastructure and gaza through a 1000000 people are living in what is categorized as unsanitary conditions which makes some even more susceptible to disease. and all of this trying to sort of

address all of this involves jumping through an in same number of groups and at the end, sometimes it doesn't even materialize. yeah, and this, it speaks to also brought a point that we've made quite a few times during the war is that there's been much discussion on the death toll right upwards of 47000 people. according to the policy in health ministry and gaza had been killed during this work, but actually the experts medical experts have told us there have been many more people than that killed. not only because there are people trapped into the rubble who just haven't been tallied in, in the decimal, but also because there are many people who fall very sick for injured and who cannot get the treatment that they receive. so the 47000 does not account for all the people who are going to die or have died because of this war that didn't need to die and they're dying because the medical sector has been crippled by israel's war r y. thank you very much for your time. thanks for joining us on the else. is there

a news our today always get to talk to you. so how mazda is released the statements in the past few minutes saying that it remains committed to the ceasefire deal and has hail today's hand over. how much those? despite the harsh conditions, the alca son for games were keen to provide the necessary health care for these really captive who holes american citizenship. the pictures of the crowd celebrating this achievement or a true testament on the approach of the resistance to liberate the land. it goes on to say the good physical and psychological condition in which the enemy's prisoners appear, proves the values of our resistance. back with me in the studio or the scandals that gonna associate professor guitar university and still to america, professor public policy at home. i've been felicia university, it look at the list and i'll throw this one to you. it's um, it's kind of inevitable, inescapable. the people watching the news,

people who take a keen interest in this are going to start comparing the state of the captives release from gaza versus the state of the palestinian prisoners release from is really jail. i don't wanna spend too long on this, but i do want your take on it. how you look at this. well, i think the most important thing is that come to body mind that this is fairly simple. mean on the, i were a, in the local buying power impact essentially they have the responsibility to take care of the prisoners in the proper way, a way that my mouth showed that even though they are a regular fight, that's something we're under heavy fight. it because if i doing all these 15 months, the, the, the company as well, and then very good the condition while the policy is on. so i think that this is showing that the willingness of both in terms of the then in the future exchange of, of captives in showing that they are taking care of the companies in it. but the condition was done, or i'll do is they have been willing to do that and much of the ways and the stories that they have for the conditions and all the infrastructure through properly until both that they do that. let's go back to the issue that you both

raised earlier. the idea of a permanent solution to the is really palestinian conflict. so time do you think i and that's the war. the genocide has created a space. is there a silver lining in this? i hate to use that word, but as it created a space for a permanent, some political solution to be found. while it has a lot of interest to the international opinion on the issue of a sign, i think. and the majority of the states around the world believes now that there is a case for an independent palestinian state. and we know we've seen now the number of european countries almost doubled over the loss of 14 months. those will recognize that by this time as an independent state or wish to see it independent. so there has been the silver lining overall and not which is up to the policy is to make sure that they capture this opportunity. and this is where we go back to the whole this you need to between palestinian administration factor and how much

instead of completely as to who's going to manage the municipal affairs and guides and provide all these very complex services that we've been hearing about that are needed, they should really keep their focus on the ultimate resolution of this. the bigger objective is to gain independence, is to get those writers to recognize the boundaries of 1967 to withdraw their forces. and this is what would make law j how? because there's no appetite for this within israel, you heard, or you earlier, right? this hour who was saying it is really is don't wanna continue this war. they feel they have no longer steal. they failed, but they also don't. they don't all the mice they must have faced the reality. as long as you're occupying another people you will be faced with waves and waves of resistance. this is not going to be the last time. the other thing is we're rise and hit those varieties and if you, that's a choice for them to make, it's almost like the years they've occupied palestinian territories, right?

the miles death less than more than half a century without. as you're saying is really is have to wake of the fact that it's always going to be only there's a high price, i think over the years. but this is now much higher this time. and i think i fear that you will see more of this to come because with the advancement in communications people now see what the rest of the world look like. the new generation is fearless. you know, these people that have survived the war and gaza will, will do anything, you know. so you have to accept that you need to reach the resolution. and instead of being misguided as now, present, trump seems to be by suggesting that the solution is to take out the. the other thing is the solution should be to take out the occupier. these people can live in the country and the land there. happily there they with all the destruction you, so those sort of attempted and also because of are extremely happy to be able to go back home. now you need to help them to build

a better or more peaceful state. and of course, a lot of things lies at the moment on the position by saudi arabia. so europe is going to become the key act uh, in the coming few weeks, months in that if it's puts its weight behind on the ultimate uh, permanent resolution to this and ties any form of normalization with as well. okay, to that, then i think trump will shift his position as well. this is the sound of this is the other conversation is going on right? there is, there is one conversation about the next few days, next few weeks now to some extent the next few months, which is this. the slide deals the day to day our by our implementation of the deal that we're tracking. that matters usually because if this collapses then, then there's nothing to talk about. but if the deal holds, then there's this longer term issue of what to do, right? and so ton mentioned saudi arabia. do you agree that they are central to this? because we're not seeing them involved day to day and this,

but do you agree with so tell them that they are central to the conversation about the future. they are becoming central because they are assembler for, at times the policy. i think he's the most interesting one in making, so i'm going to get to sign harmonization with you from. and in order to do that, they need to force him to do something or to accept something next or something with the start. so i think that they will become more important now since trump is, is pushing for that kind of solution that they, of course, considering that the moving policy and outside of assigned this with this for the house. i mean, they will not accept that. or i hopefully, as always, we don't accept that we know part of the deal list this we put sounds good idea. eh, a meeting we make somebody bits. envision a longer time with the price on the threads to accept the kind of solution that includes at least part of his date, if this not the whole guess how was mug of listen with box, which is i think, cuz i want to make sure that the viewers who might be listening to this thinking,

wait, hold on, hold on what saudi arabia can. you please explain how the, the, just the broad vision of why, why saudi arabia matters. you've both said normalization. what is real people who watch this watch this space immediately know what that means? i want to talk for a 2nd to people who may be coming to this with sort of fresh sized pressure. here is. what is that? why? what does this real want from saudi arabia? how does that relate to the palestinians? that's how the area had was about to normalize few weeks before the. the name of the so recognize the existence of the state of israel, which they do not currently to the new, but there was do this, they didn't. right. and may sort of they did and they didn't make a big change. but of course, after more accounts with them, they sign there was, there were some expectations of other countries from jordan, an easy but this accepted them a long time ago would accept the norm. isis. what is that with the sky? we kind of design does have a good idea, is one of the most influence of the countries in the out on what's going well. so the fact that some of them inside of them was saying that we are closer to getting

closer to that. and even during the war, she mentioned again that this would be an option in the future, but no. now, at this wouldn't change could change something that is more broadly accepted. that's ok. we like use read. we don't like what they're doing policy, but we need to negotiate with the study in order to engage and try to do something . the brothers how to do it. we go so far, normalization process i was talking for the 20 for this to this situation now. so long term i don't know if it's going to be useful. so kind of circling sort of around the same issue here. but um steve would cost trumps mid east. and boy, he was just in israel. he's going to be involved in the discussions about continuing the ceasefire deal, but where was he just before coming to israel? he was in saudi arabia. so again, we know that the americans do saudi a central to this. my question is, do you think it's kind of what i was asking you earlier? do you think that the can what we're seeing now on the ground after 15

months of war and the release of is really, capt isn't policy and prisoners and how, where he is really, society is. all of this, do you think it may create conditions that actually, that didn't exist before that would allow for this big regional deal? yes, i know also when you look at the region overall, you know, the changes in lebanon, the changes in syria, the potential advancement of the estimates of politics and the region. and trump has got to think twice before undermining country like jordan and certainly not egypt with dates population. this, if it does this recreate technology situation, that is the ultimate thread for as well. the idea is that they've been shorting up those 2 countries for, for decades. because they have a peace agreement and they have laws, they lived up to their commitment to as well terms of protecting as boundaries and, and keeping it's relatively safe term. subjective was to go into this behind, make

a quote that he sees as his brain try. it is he's all you idea. he's very proud of it. he's managed to live in a united of emeralds by rain. and will rocco even so done with a deal? and so it would be, it would be the real turning point if he's able to get the so it is on board. he will make that revision. then we have to keep in mind that the guys determined to be recognized globally. and i think, yeah, as i said earlier, he needs to be careful not to be misled by nothing you know, to become the guy who see it seals the worst genocide since the 2nd world war. and instead he should become the person who is going to bring peace to the middle east . and that is a very much simple support that they should give is ion and nobel prize. we go, that's something that trump he wants to eat once, and i think probably a he'll probably will, will deserve more if you make something serious the middle set anymore. that obama

obama got it from nothing. but i'm a go to on the spirit that is coming as a 1st black president. now this man has a real opportunity to make a real difference in the middle east. i think it is to take advantage of as sony and make sure that a does uh refer back to what is enshrined in the international before making any further off the cuff statements. that you are saying, donald trump should not let himself be misled by benjamin netanyahu. your words that would just for context. we'll our viewers that net. yeah. he's going to meet trump 1st official visit it of trump 2nd term course. and he'll be at the white house on tuesday. couple of weeks ago, trump retreated a tweet from sykes, the, the, the american economics in which he was expanding. how nothing yahoo has misled george w bush into award with, with iraq. so at least we know he's aware of this potential. hopefully he will, does my day before we take a very short break lasana,

can you take us back to these pictures that we've been watching in the sense of our screen? this is what's been unfolding for in the last 60 minutes or so maybe 90 minutes. now palestinian prisoners released from offer prison, which is in the occupied westbank, released to their relatives and loved ones in ramallah. well, i mean this is of a nice victor. the promise we, we see the most of them where the pain after october, the 7th. so the problem is, are they going to be detained in the future? consider that every time there was an issue, more people are going to be say, and not only invest about it with a as well and, and it was buying us as well. so we see that this is not something here. they find that they are releasing the 2003 times doesn't mean that the we not coming to jail again, therefore some somebody else of the how busy assessing or not all being all levels

of the various. yeah. as, as part of phase one, we're going to take a short break um, but as part of phase one, it's are coming up on 11 gmc, which will make at 1 pm local time in ramallah intel to be in jerusalem in the gaza strip. and what we've seen so far is another step along the phase one of the ceasefire deal, which saw 3 is really captives being released from the gaza strip. that was a couple hours ago. and now palestinian prisoners, a $183.00 of them are supposed to be released from is really prisons. i can't tell you at this stage, i can't confirm whether all that entire number 183 has been released yet, but at least some and you're seeing that now have been released and, and taken back to ramallah, we're going to take a very short break. and we'll be right back at the top of the hour on alpha 0 with our continuing coverage of the is really come us ceasefire deal. the

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