as in most and that is scalable to, to use violence in the country cuz he's rushes presence in the central african republic, a stabilizing force for a calculated strategy for dillman. and this is, of course, the continent. they provide security and they take uranium, they provide security and we take time and rushes shadow in africa coming soon on out to 0. the us state department stops nearly all foreign aid as president, donald trump pushes his america 1st policy. but this assistance also helps the us to achieve its foreign policy goals. so how will they be affected along with other countries and communities around the world? this is inside story, the

hello welcome to the show. i'm sammy say that for decades the united states has been the largest single donor of a globally and last year it provided more than 40 percent of you. and so you monetary and a budget. and now most phone, the systems through the state department has been frozen for 90 days. we'd only emergency food programs and mitre a to israel, and egypt exempted the aid suppose initiatives ranging from health and education to security and conflict. so what could be the effects of america's freeze on a, both for itself and all the nations, and how it re shape washington is relations with the world. we'll discuss all of this without panel shortly. the 1st that's listened into jo evans report. the aid has long helped us achieve its foreign policy goals. president donald trump's decision to freeze almost all foreign assistance,

but 90 days as part of his america. first strategy is up on the decades of policy, and there's already having a global impact. in 2023, washington distributed $72000000000.00 of funding in nearly a $190.00 countries. 4 days after taking office us secretary of state, marco ruby, i sent a cable to embassies worldwide, ordering a home to us projects. supposing everything from access to clean water house get education and children's health, the presidents emergency plan, so age release, o pets, hopes come by the spread of h i v and aids. and there's just one of the programs impacted by the fries. so to meet people living with h of you should start to be able to access friedman through government facilities. but the government facilities are going to come under more pressure because you will be moving a whole number of stuff to either for others being funded battlegrounds. initially,

the only exemptions to the phrase with us military aid to israel in egypt and the emergency food programs, like the one used to help the people suffering from a whitening famine ensued on the us system for monitoring global famine as being taken offline us secretary of state marco rubio assigned an additional way. the exempts in life saving humanitarian assistance from the fries, leaving humanitarian organizations. so you can clarity on what qualifies as life saving assistance. but the waiver does not apply to abortions. family planning and programs that do not align with trumps conservative policies. a few monetary and assistance programs in ukraine had been forced to cut services and stopped many social projects, including the veteran hub, the support soldiers and their families. with them was one of the authors of we have not been able to pay salaries or any expenses since january. this means we are not allowed to ask people toward the united nations secretary general as code for

additional exemptions to be issued. but the picture remains unclear. and it is in danger, the lives of millions of people globally. but some recipients of a say the phrase is an opportunity for them to work towards self reliance. what are we going to do? yeah. to support themselves. because nobody is going to continue holding out a hand to that, give you it this time for us to use our resources for the right things. we are the ones why using them for their own things. for now, the full full out of the trump administration, the decision as yet to become clear, humanitarian agencies a scrambling for clarification. while doing what they can to keep providing a central care to people and communities most in need. jo loven's outer 0, so inside story was bringing on guess now in westminster, in the us state of maryland. we have dave hoffman, he's

a former assistant administrator for the us, a bureau of democracy, conflict and humanitarian assistance in trying my in thailand, cell lies or clink director of the shooting human rights organization and, and jo, based in me, in law and in washington, dc of de la, hey, bottle, how that? okay. a hold of african security on list and the see me advocate at refugees international welcome to well, if i could start with the law here, as is clear from that report, the us is the most generous country in the world. when it comes to foreign assistance, what does this freeze in us a mean for the rest of the world in broad terms of this for you has sent shock waves to many of the programs that the united states supports across the african continent. i think sometimes we forget that these programs they go on in the background. so

a lot of the time we do not know like very poor to mention that that clock it's one of the most on one of the most boring programs that not many people know about that block e supporting over 20000000 people with h. i v aids and to the closest on the african continent, one of the program that was also shot because of the death of a low bill date or the fries. ease fuse net that these followed by the warning system that really detects where they are forwarding security so that the united states and other doing us can move in that need relies on real time data that are being collected. this program was started off to the 19858385 finding in ethiopia. finally, we are experiencing finding certain parts of saddam as we speak. we wouldn't know if they'll be we even the situation has changed. so we have speaking. oh,

let me jump on the line and because the question maybe from the donald from america 1st agenda perspective, why should the us carry that responsibility? shouldn't local countries carry the responsibility? are absolutely, i think for many bases and they'll put trinity for them to step up. but in the, in the same, let's be very clear that the $48.00 or any formal humanitarian 80 is no just purely charged. because the united states also use as nature many terry and diplomacy to get some of the things the ideally won't get. so it is a loss for the united states us well, because if we lose the leverage that the aid all the humanitarian support, that is the city is countries. lens, the united states. all right, that's a good point on the line. we'll pick up in a moment back on the point of the political aspects of this, but before we go to fall down that road, dave, 1st of all, what will happen often in 90 days? is it clear?

so it's not clear. let me just spend a moment responding to why this is in the us interest. so for instance, we've just halted monitoring of the ball in uganda. we've just halted. monitoring of abn flew in $47.00 countries around the world, which is striking the united states and, and prices in america. whereas the previous guys just knowing we caught the top bar which remains to scourge h i v h as a is a disease that's difficult to to, to about in the united states, we hold that malaria surveillance um mtv surveillance. and we've halted the fuse that like your last guy started the found an early warning system. so this is a massive problem. we don't know what it will look like in 90 days, but here's what we can expect. there's been a purge of us, a senior leadership. there has been a, a,

a widespread bias. 7 option to all federal government employees. we can't expect a much smaller federal government, a very weak and perhaps non existent usa id and 90 days, and a dramatic carbo and car. dr. be assistance levels that we've seen that spring in sly. your organization, of course, works with the local community. tell us what even if this turns out, so like to be a temporary freeze. what does it made for some of the initiatives? what does it meant? rather, some of the initiatives that your organization is working on. have you been impacted? yes, certainly. uh, we have been impacted by this freeze um in a profound way of the free is risk cutting off life, saving

a to one of the most vulnerable regions in man, bye, which is already one of the most vulnerable in their entire world. so this is going to be, uh, does have a staging because we are experiencing, have been for the past 4 years, military violence from a military origin that came to power 4 years ago today. and this could also help our ability to document ongoing human rights abuses by the military, which is critical to accountability and ending impunity in burma sly. all lives at stake. yes, indeed. because what this cut means is that we would have to let go of medical professionals who are attending to some of the most vulnerable

groups fleeing from the war being displaced in very dire conditions. and they have no other alternative means of getting medical assistance or food 8. then we'd love this. many people who wouldn't be at risk of a serious situation like death. why that's quite disturbing, obviously to hear from, you know, someone like yourself is working with people on the ground. dave, we should put into context though that the, the old or the phrase does have a wave of covering life saving emergency programs and so on. and so forth, but it's been reported that actually that wave a system is not effective either cuz maybe some organizations don't know how to apply for the waiver or if they do apply for it. they always get information on the status of the waiver. is there a problem, dave with the system of wave?

uh um, you know, the way it looks on paper lot be fine, but when it supplies in reality, yes, there is. so let me set it out for your audience. so 1st there was an assumption for food age and then secondly, there was an assumption for non food manager and assistance, but it's really unclear. so for instance, fusion that the assignment early warning system is down, right? the, the other kind of critical point is that all the contractors and the staff ran to respond to emergency teams, both in washington and abroad have and then like gap. and so even if there are these exemptions are in place, it's not crystal clear or who can manage over see and, and, and, and, you know, be responsible for these responses. and i will say, in addition, what i know from my sources inside

a government is assistance to god so has been paused. assistance to syria has been paused during a transitional time. assistance to georgia has been paused right. and this arcs around and the law in the middle east is vital for american american interests and american security and the chaos and the on. certainly, you know, all that just give space to the servers, the right i'm the law have. when we put all of this into perspective, we know that the phrase all covered a by certain programs us. i think they set the foreign ministry of the us. the secretary of states aid programs, doesn't cover all the, all the avenues in other words of the law have for us assistance to reach some of the communities. you know, you've been talking about little cases of tracking about a night, robi,

or organizations that keep babies on live support. and so that, i think sometimes it's reflected in how do you send ministration just to a change. so to all of these processes, yes, disease surveillance, which is very critical. i mean we're talking about, for instance, the democratic republic of congo right now, which is going to conflict in the eastern part. and there are reports of disease outbreak of bodies, e, bola, in uganda. we have mile bug that has, you know, we've, we've had few cases in towns that knew the way the system works. is the cdc is that is disney disease controls in those areas, share the samples with the cdc in the united states, and then you will be able to track and then the, the system will say, for instance, on us citizen should no travel to country x or country y, so in that sense, even the system is shut us,

we speak now the results all the bucks will not just be on those countries. yes, they have to step up into account their own. it will be also on the united states and other countries. this want to give an example to the viewers that look. this is nothing new. the u. k. government did something similar. and you know what happened that office when he was much into the minister of foreign affairs. it just became a smallish sale over each for myself. on we leave. the united kingdom's influence in the global stage completely diminished. yes, america fost is a good principal to get elected on. but america, fos, studies being projected now really will end up in diminishing this doc us of the united states and full most of those communities. therefore, it is going to be very, very difficult for the next couple weeks and months ahead. but they might find ways of adjusting, maintain training. it is going to be incredibly brutal. all right, on that point. so lie,

is it easy for organizations like yours to find those alternative sources of funding outside of usaid organizations? yes, so we are exploring alternative funding sources, including private donors, faith based organizations and of here's the share other tools. okay. other countries like, you know, china, india, in the region, there's very, uh, no, there's no support from the region. and it would have to be borne by cutting larger countries like the you or the u. k. canada, australia and we are ex, lowering all possible sources of alternative funding. however, without us support, it will be incredibly difficult to maintain the scale of current operation and to meet the needs. we have 3500000 people

being displaced by the ongoing uh, atrocities. um and uh, the over 18000000 people are in need of food assistance. uh so in that situation it is extremely difficult uh for it to cope with the sugar di, created by the us a fries. and what is the critical solution we're advocating for at this point is the release of most frozen wouldn't be in dollar reserved funding held in new york. as soon as the crew, the interest alone, i'm others to above $200000000.00. this could provide much, much needed help that we desperately need without costing

us takes pay or a penny. so this was significantly helped keep our operational running as well as the support of the human rights and democratic movement in the country. so we are appealing for the release of that fund at this point. dave does the aid phrase, we can then us leverage around the world if, as we're hearing from salon communities and now having to look at all the countries, all the regions for support. yes, i think so, i mean, we should be clear that or the international law that is just not a us responsibility. it's a global responsibility and other countries need to step off. uh, you know, so it, so the, from that perspective it's very or something like usa product needs reform. every administration does review, although that is fine. uh, the prior administration probably got, you know, too far out on a, on

a host of different projects and programs that weren't core to poverty alleviation and global health. right. the administrative reform cars that are used, the word which i found interesting approach going on, you know, how much of this is purely administrative and how much of this is political for, for just to serve a political agenda, real political goals. this is a 100 percent political. what i'm saying is, you know, there's always a crowd truth in, in any of these catastrophic. that's right. usa could use reform usa did go out too far on the margins for non priority undertake he's. but the fact that matter is you could have done a review was still continuing assistance. that's what every administration has done since the kennedy administration. you there is no need to per this junior, the non partisan career leaders of the agency just like

a decapitation of generals on those. um, you know, within, within washington there is a chilling effect. usaid officials can speak to anybody, not even at the state department. and so what we, what we're seeing is a political retribution that's designed to undermine the 4 principle of this statutorily, independent and crew, and legal and congressional authorized agency. since that's been around since the kennedy administration. and so we are serious is the magic attack against the in the the, the freeze of assistance is one component of it is not the only come back of the law. you touched earlier on the political aspects of this. and now might be a good time to come back to and ask you to take apart the role of political impacts of the us withdrawing it's. it's 8 support as dave explained earlier in some of

those areas, critical areas there, levant. ok, i think it was the term dave use when you look at to the cutting back of age and syria and jordan and to support the palestinians and so on. does that leave avoid which others? and maybe even a countries which are to put it nicely in competition with the us trying feel like china and so on. and i totally, i think they, they, they, they, they're similar to that. we control, we is development aid, you know, into open aid for very long time was primarily the united states and that you appear in the countries until a couple of decades ago when china appeared on the scene on the method of supporting that was completely different from the west, a moment what doug gave china was mendez amount of leverage which most of those kind of exist to give you a sense every single time when china africa, somebody's being cold and i think the, i don't many,

i think i'm the head. so state home me says those meetings compared to even the un general assembly in a, although it's very difficult, although it's very expensive compared to the day that can be funded to get another means. china is north of us to taking advantage of the snow. just china though, they either meet a little golf country, is that exploring some of these every single goals, countries, especially in the home of africa, they have already started getting in. but the real challenge to use, like gabriel saying, deposit really grains the system of really competent people these uh, career people who know how to do, you know, evaluation. these are people to know how to do. let's say nutrition. so that is what would be lost, but i think that is not only one side of the ledger even on data side, i think that united states will lose delivered just to give you an example. they also go to countries of the you in general assembly, i almost got the older men by states united states,

a new p and countries already lots of that through development aid. now to hear many, terry and aid did they lose that? if china comes today, i think you know too many terry, and i call me t a day african union and say, look, we'll step into these extent that wouldn't really begin giving them not stronger foothold on the african continent. well, for instance, joe biden doing, he's lost last time, few weeks before he left. he visited a goal of the reason why is it that i'm going on was the united states is trying to build a re weigh a lot that we call the people triangle that come to that joins the democrats, republicans call those on the on demand on goal of full shipment of clean materials that are used for clean, green energy to the united states in europe. you lose that to china. no other oct us. that was definitely impact the united states as well. why not be

a good point now for us foot solve this in the context of some numbers because finite is used by most government as a tool to influence others. that's no surprise. and as a way to implement, they found policies in the us. it's a complex process with funds being distributed through a variety of agencies. according to a congressional reports in 2022, about a quarter of a laid was spent on humanitarian assistance. that includes things like life saving food, medicine and shelter for people suffering natural and non made dissolved as just over face. went to global health initiatives, 18 percent. that was funneled into developments forcing the economic, social and political development of countries in communities. and another 18 percent went to wants classified as peace and security that involves programs to help strengthen demetri police and security forces of a recipient country. and just briefly day because that doesn't take into account

all of the tow tyler t of minute tree hardware aid assistance. right. when you start to add numbers, those numbers into that i was looking up according to that part of the aid cuz it can get confusing. but according to that part of the egg, which is tracked by the phone assistance don't. gov website, the bulk of us aid in 2023 has been on things like, you know, the humanitarian needs health and development. the 12 percent went towards minute for uses. might that change now if some of the humanitarian and development aid is being frozen or we're going to see that mix change you good. i mean here's was a little ironic. as you mentioned at the top of the show, a for a military assistance to israel and egypt was not processed in the fall of this. so the united states, which has not been particularly balanced on israel palestine is now in

a position of freezing a, to gaza and all the fruit, a nation manager and assistant spite waivers and increasing or allowing the assistance to is relative to go forward. and so you know that that's a stretch legitimately legitimacy. issue that i think doesn't serve us well. why the way i just started the truck ministration is considering on uh, on holding or releasing 24000 assault rifles to israel for use in west back regardless, mainly for the sellers. okay. this is in the context of the trees globally and, and then the robot, right? is always money for guns when it comes to, to, to policies. it seems so like, is the ultimate outcome perhaps of this a growing black hole of even knowledge, jordan formation of what the situation is,

a vicious circle where organizations which track can document crises have to stop that work. there's certainly a big risk to that. and uh, document documentation and recording of crimes are, are extremely important in, in, uh, holding perpetrators to account. and that's not just for the purpose of just is just a comfortability. it's for just is for the victims. and we owe it to the people who have suffered so much from charity courageous around the world. all right, we're going to have to leave. that's think all of on guess for the contributions. dave houghton, salanza. oh, cling and i'm delight bought. oh, how long? okay. and thank you to fortune you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website out to 0 dot com for further discussion head over

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