to these as can musicians gather and one of pocket stones largest cities to shower, trying to preserve that culture while living in exxon that practicing one of the most famous ask them songs, the lyrics mean homeland on or about the beauty of us down to stan, put the hash maps, he said it's a country that he no longer recognizes. war plus will look at the longest function, was the last as if i go to a gun as then i will be killed. there is no future for me. all my family, but it pucks fun. we're being asked to leave. we are human beings. we need to be treated like humans. since 2023 pockets, dani authorities have wrapped up efforts to pull f guns with out residency papers. last year was at $800000.00 with the portrait. but the government officials say that immigration rules on new different than western nations. because have undocumented people by the musicians or anyone else. we kind of undocumented people

in the country. well, the streets of the shower are brimming with people. many s guns are in limbo, i'm afraid to leave the homes. this room is a sanctuary for these office, but they say as soon as they leave the reality sinks in, at any moment, they could be arrested and posted a constant face to these musicians and all the scouts who lacked proper documentation across the bulk of stones. cars on a camp where the pores i scanned refugees live the conditions a desperate, the outlay have no choice but to walk. and so to the young, like have draw 2 at 11 years old south. darcy, plastic bustles and metal tends to the living side to that by sigma. i got to scraps from these homes and then sell them for a few 100 rupees, so that me and my family can survive a move in full decades. afghanistan has not known peace and its people have fled,

most of them to neighboring pockets. dawn. but with authorities has settled that the protection plans. it seems that i scanned refugees, could be on the move once again, searching for a safe land to cool home. sorry, go out to 0 to shower, talk this done for the 67 squared me. it was had been handed out in los angeles and i just feel very slow and very honored. it's been many, many years the on site is for i as a country, music cowboy cause it was named elden of the the 1st time to sing a has won the award. other one is included kendrick, lemme his track not like us. but so for the moment some of these continues of to reframe optics the

which is which is the only thing that's right is have, is the power of hope, is that they create a new world that we can see possibility we can create another universe. secondly, we think yes, because it allows you to think different k it brings in an image that you never have filled off and actually brings of closer to home things. it's closer to you the time. so at the level 2 and in this series we'll be discussing one of the biggest stories of our time, the war and gaza. and today how palestinian artists are responding to it. my guess this week is gaza. bourne writes, a director and academic a human masoud. his work sets out to tell every day stories from palestine. he's

within the detective stories such and gaza cold come what may under black comedy pull the shroud maker. or having grown up in giovanni, a refugee camp, and siblings and found they were trapped under israel, sees the men. thank you so much for being here with us today. i know that someone from gaza, this must be an incredibly difficult time for you. there isn't the family i'm in gaza that hasn't suffered personally. that hasn't lost loved ones and a new family is, is no difference. can i ask you about your brother, holland? sure, so my brother was killed on the 22nd of january earlier this year. and he was shots by what we call like what the got to a quote come to is this news writing machine,

which is a mixture between a drone and had a cup to that we think is run by a i and makes decisions by shooting directly. he was walking down the street coming to get the bread for his family. he was shot and uh, the tanks and phones. so he was left bleeding on the street for 3 days of to 3 days of intensive bombing and shooting in the area. and nobody could get there eventually his cuz and my cousins went to get him and he was still alive. and he died on the way to as they moved him on a donkey costs to get him to hospital side there being an ambulance, had there been a, a part of me that he probably would have left, but unfortunately there wasn't, i'm, i'm so sorry to hear this and, and also you, you had lived in, you had lived in go the for all your life until you came to london. and there must have been all the times when he was separated from his family because of or because

of conflict. but this time seems a so much small, devastating. how are you coping? i don't know has the is the right on so i don't know how going to be honest with you. i feel i need to stay strong for my family and because people's need me that right now and every aspect, whether it is 3 emotional support or financial support or 3 simply connecting them with each other, keeping the news flowing between members of the family. so i see this is my role at the moment and that's how them coping. but also i think the other thing is writing really i think writing has because it has been an amazing thing for me in terms of coping has become very therapeutic and allowed me to process those emotions that are being missionaries squeezed and ringed inside me to come out in the form of a palumbo, or, or, or a short story or a thought or it play um, because with to you were able to drain those emotions that

a little bit and come out with something a little bit beautiful and kind of look at it and see those emotions without the wounds that's come with it. you said before our ours is resistance and our resistance is aren't. and you are obviously a novelist. the you have many hats as a writer, but over this past year your twitter account has performed as a kind of a very new service in a way you're using it as a diary, so it's very direst it. mm hm. but you're also letting us, while you talk about your sister, about your nieces and nephews, your family. there were also telling us of the ongoing horrors of, of the constant. is there any bombardment? and at the same time, as you just mentioned, you started to write poetry, which is not something you've done before last year. so has your life as a right of changed considerably. i mean, in, in ways that you hadn't quite imagined over this past year completely. i mean, it changed in the way that was

a accounts sleep. so most of my poetry and writing is coming out, lack of sleep. i'm so. so it's a lot of, uh, thoughts and some subconscious thoughts i, i suppose. and so real thoughts sometimes i writes at night late at night and then wake up in the morning and look at what i've written such, i've never done that before. the fact that i'd write poetry now, i love poetry, so much is amazing, but i never always been able to write poetry before and somehow it came out. it came out with the 1st time that i read to my brother, because i needed to say something, but i couldn't put it into a play or a plot or a climax or a twist and turn that there is no twist and turn squad clear as a genocide, so how do you express that? how do you actually talk about a genocide and your emotions? seeing not just your family suffer, but also the place that you loved the place he grew, it grew up in unrecognizable accounts. i can't recognize because at the moment how do i really talk about it and how do i see it right now?

i'm a right that made a conscious decision to ride the bus because i made that decision a long time ago because i wanted to. and now seeing that city being destroyed, this housing me so much and i would love to write more about the city that it was in the city that it will be rather than the city that it is right now that everybody's showing on the news. can you, can you describe for us that city that it was because the rest of us um maybe some people knew the things of god. but over the last year we've just seen images of, of devastation of destruction. mm hm. um and we lost sight of what it was before. can you tell us about that city that you remember? beautiful chaos. somehow he had, think of not play very much. so when i went to natalie for the 1st time, i was like that said of arrive to the, this is the european version of cause of mediterranean and budgets arranged in town was lift. it's the hill alleys. as old town as the market is as,

as noise and hustle and bustle and cafes and restaurants and, and see if there's an odd when use and shops and, and people who smile a lot and make a lot of jokes. and he thought of chilly, that's what i got, that was and, and this because i, i remember that i do remember the 1st time i went from jabante account, which is very different when i was coming up is quite the oppressive. there was no infrastructure. there was no sewage system, for example, in there to go through kansas city. and i saw these place of, of, you know, the on the most that was built in the 6th century or so, which is now destroyed. and unfortunately, and pass a pass a palace. it's an altima, beautiful building, and i work through that little i live that was like a little child looking at this beautiful city. think of damascus from that perspective and jerusalem and, and all of this. okay, so i went to come back to childhood but, but you mentioned the great i'll marry, most of which has been destroyed. there's also the church of saint paul, serious,

which is thought to be the 3rd oldest church in the world that has been destroyed by is rarely bombardment. um how, how does one of sites to keep that cultural heritage? because guys, it was known as a cultural hub, palestinians, and among an arabs as well. mm hm. how do you fight to keep that alive? through writing mostly, and i think latricia is a footprint. the thing that will survive in the future to hundreds or 300 years from, from now on will be a pub in, or, and novel. or overlook of that sort of represented that. i don't think we have a responsibility as palestinians and that's odd to this. but also as international solidarity to kind of keep that alive as much as possible. i don't think many people now talk about the home or the most common or the judge. i think that's been forgotten already. it pains me. and the reason it pains me this also because it is in my novel, come with me because a lot of the events like are set and that in the ashes of the mosque and underneath in the tunnel of this,

that's right and is gone. and people don't know about it. so i think we have a responsibility as right as in this office, but also as an international solidarity movement to continue to talk about that and also later on hold as well as responsible because they are destroying or you must go well having these sites, you know, and that is an international crime. so, so making sure that we talk about it and social media, if we find a way of, uh, talking, making films out or whatever it is, i think we should on reading. i mean, we have responsibilities as, as readers, as well. and you mentioned that you grew up in w, a refugee come me and i want to ask you how it was that literature found you or you find interest. so what did stories mean to you as a young boy? i mean, i grew up as a refugee, i lived with stories from my father and my grandfather and my grandmother about this beautiful house that we had. and what is now is ro that, that my grandfather was rich. he had this beautiful, again, autumn in house,

built from the jerusalem stone that i sort of living to the stories. in the meantime, i'm listening to all of this and that the imagination and the world, the power, little universe that i'm told about. and. and what i go through on a daily basis is a you and refugee card that i have to go every wednesday to collect the aides for my assignment a, which consisted from some piece of bread and cooling be right. so i wanted to know a little bit more about that and but the literature and about this kind of the stories that people like but living 3, my father studied arabic literature and he said what he was so much into books and my, our house didn't have much food, but a lot of books, you know, so at the age of 9 i read lennon and somebody that was on the left side. you know, i read by the age of the oldest son can offend. he's well including the, the, the how this thing and novelist, he was killed in 1972 for his writing. we had about 4 volumes of mine with those

books that my dad needs to go to the markets. and we didn't get food. he would get 2nd handbooks and set them up. so that's how nutrition and books funding. um, oh, you know, you mentioned the genocide a something that is constantly changing something that's you called go to sleep and wake up in the morning without finding new devastation, a new horrors on. certainly no one has escaped this in gaza, but there has also been, i'm not talking about journalist here, there's also been a concerted effort to kill right to, to kill poets, to kill translators on it. i want to ask you, what is it about rights? is that a so dangerous? and what power devices have, if any, against this kind of the race or i think the only thing that's right is have, is the power of hope. is that they create a new world that we can see a possibility. we can create another universe that's the way we think. yes. because

it allows you to think different k it brings in an image that you never have filled off and actually brings up closer to home things. it's closer to you. i don't think opponent has changed the world or, or changed politics or governments, etc. but it made a huge difference to that. and hope hope is a huge power and hope makes a huge difference how it is a who's power. so, prizes have no actual physical power, then not fights as they're not, you know, going on the front line and doing it. they are risk getting a lot of their lives. many writers have received tests or threats in cause of 5 is right now me before they were killed, then target that because they know that there is that possibility that we will change people's hearts and minds. you mentioned the mood the wish earlier, and he's one of my favorite poets. he said, we do. what prisoners do? we cultivate hope to what is your hope for the future i want my help for the future

. i think is that for the whole thing to be resolved as much as possible and the big believe it or for one state solution as my what i advocate for, i think it can happen. it will happen. but also the hope is that the us palestinians are seen as normal people as duma hammons. and we are taken seriously not by just by our ending. these are people who don't like us, but also by our friends as well as that ever seen as, as right. as doctors, as engineers, as, as economics, as, as normal people, we have the good and the bad, the, they, the heroes and villains and all of these things. so we know some sort of extra terrestrial people who are just life terrorist or really victims or whatever it is . we're a complete society in that. and people need to understand that. and, and the dates the, the way to do it is to read more of our work, read our poetry, read our books, connect with us as much as possible, even right now. but on social media, people from guys writing some really on is sort of accounts, you know,

not just criticizing as well in the west. and none of this is not just angry about that. they're also angry about the tradesmen who are charging high interest with, you know, money transfer and goods and they're writing hold of the recording on of that. and i think it's our responsibility to be in touch with that as much as possible and to see people as humans as possible. i'm going to turn to the audience now and for some questions for osmond. we've got a question in the front to hi everyone, i'm my name is as addition sharma, i'm right. so i'm the director of an independent publish. i called the $87.00 price . we've recently works closely with possibly to reduce the statement in support videos. so my question is, we have seen across the world, a lot of writers, cultural institutions and office standing up to support the published in the end of the ration. but i'd like to know what more we can do, aside from boy called and thank you. this is a really good question. i think that a lot of rights as an office has to the uh to support the kind of thing and close

and to the knowledge stage. and this are these really genocide for sure. however, i don't think it's enough. i think there are a lot of many, many, many other writers who haven't yet. i don't have time for rights as an odd to say, don't you haven't stood up and said, hey, this is, this is, this is wrong. what, what are you doing or expressed an opinion about it because those people influence uninspired, a lot of other people as well. and i think be we should be as an international solidarity movement and publishes not to get and gauge with those people. and this is the time for naming and shame and say no, i'm sorry, i kind of left with you because that's the only way to set up the pressure on them to change the direction in terms of saying what action was. now my right thing is being effective. now i'm gonna suffer personally because nobody's going to read my books or publishes, i'm not going to publish my, you know, my, my was, i don't know if you saw this. there was a counter letter or a published authors had signed on to boycott. is there any cultural festivals and

things we've met with account to protest letter and in that letter and people defending israel said that it was dangerous and then liberal me to boycott cultural institutions. what, what's your response to that? i mean, this is a classic kind of argument that boy, because it's dangerous because you need to engage with the other side and this method to have that conversation rather not have that conversation. there is, there's an argument there that i'm happy to debate. i'm happy to go and dive deep into however, at this time when there is genocide for anybody who is complicit on who's supportive of this genocide, then not, i don't think there is a moment of dialogue and kind of having that relationship. and that, that connection with is there a cultural institutions, for example, if we think about is ready to see it as most of the most state from the and most of them have kind of a relationship with the government else of some thoughts. and must have been end up

performing in legal settlements and in the west bank. so there's a big case for boy codes. there's a big case for saying that actually, that doesn't sits well with my moral morality and my principles. other questions um the lady in the front. a. hi, my name's res. less. i'm an act. time was a positive cultural organizations as the to why collective who stand we as influence of the dollar to post indians and animals. they said, helping to set up a jewish all just network for palestine and i've met him. we've seen the intensification of the razor posting and stories and the chilling and cowardly silence and censorship from cultural organizations. first they do feel that they all sectors fail, palestinians, and can you also talk about the role of resistance in it's particularly from growth rates. organizations, you know, is the so it into far they're going to be a cultural one. i think the assets have in the u. k. and in many other countries

has failed palestinians a long time ago. and not just now by the way. i think institutions have this engaged who is a palestine about sort of 38 years ago. so particularly when, when, when uh, colbin came to power and became the leader of the position that was actually a defining moment for testing and the address for us. and i'll give you my experience in that example. i had scheduled place to be certain vineyards and when that's of the height of the anti semitism debates of the labor party and the issue around the neighbor punched in generally common which has nothing to do with my face of the night. if i creation my play was cancelled for no reason, you know, from the service the news because people started to see us as like, oh, if i put a type of thing in a play or story or, or, or whatever it is, then i'm taking size and i'm, i'm being and this and that they, that there was no chance for us to kind of break through this and many cultural

organizations. and up to this, to have, you know, works about palestine written by non how this thing is. i'm gonna get back to the point around the next uh intifada. is it, is it a cultural intervention? i think by yes, that is happening already. i think seen a palestine in the last 1015 years. if you look at the cultural production that in terms of see its a cinema, we have more cinema coming out of kind of fun than syria and lebanon combines in terms of films, which is incredible, right? so see if they've been a so many fields or companies in the west bank and gaza as well. i think now we need to rebuild that and see to make sure to focus on that as much as possible. so that doesn't get killed because a lot of the office killed the already, but the idea and the important self at the end, the residence at the end present himself and doesn't go away. i think we need to continue to imagine as much as possible as possible support palestinian artists. so yes and cultural intifada, it's happening already. how is it going to peak?

i don't know. yes. this gentleman in the back. yeah. hi, my name is simeon. i live in london, i'm currently a teacher in training and rapper. so someone who, uh, someone who enjoys writing, i'm an advocate about how words turn i can help make sense of the emotions. and so after seeing all this senseless carnage taking place, what's the one piece of writing that you wrote that has helped to cope with all the sensors? carnage that's been taken place has a really good question. i have a piece of writing that helps me code. um, well i think 2 pieces of pricing, i guess um for 3, if i may, 1 is um the pun to my brother. i think uh is, uh, yeah. is it mainly for us as everything's like in there and remember him as, as beautiful as he was. and the 2nd one i wrote

a poem called to gaza with hope. and it's, i just talked to god, the city has the city with buildings and things like that. and i really like and i liked that problem because i said almost a pledge for me. and i read it quite a lot to remind myself that i will remember because that has a beautiful place, not as a destroyed place, this and this, this is actually a 5 minute play hold um, the slowest the pro 5. and it's about this, this, uh, it's a 3 story i saw this guy in real 5 and the refugee come sending flowers and i sort of my god, what's me do you think this is what people need right now? you have no. so you do, you have no, you know, basic stuff, but to you go home to the 10 to or pots and the, to your kids and say, i've got to a flower. and the, the great thing about it was that the people were buying people, you know, buying extreme, the expensive flowers. where did they come from? how much did the risk as live for? and this, those beauties of people that change

a lot about what you see with that. so with your work, i would advise if you're writing about kind of things, look for these things more than you look for, you know, domestic i, with 20 people. the news comes, the stories covers the numbers, covers the bodies, covers the atrocities often to for use of how do i get that emotion and the, because i have the power on the weapon of fluids and symmetry and metaphors and beautiful things. how can i do it? and i want to say this actually, because you are not just you also having a responsibility with this to help us with kind of things as much as positive sound, right? that's the right thing about the dentist and i think everyone should drive about it and how you feel about it, because it is affecting you as much as affecting me. you know, it's damaging you as much as the medicine. it's damaging all of us. i wonder if you would read for us the poem to brother had it? sure, i should say that this po and my only read once in public,

it does make me quite emotional. so if i still pa, for 3 apologies. so. so this plan is called the holiday i had it is my older brother killed on the 22nd of january, 2024 to kind of as it turned on the 0 name. and how did it stay in molto. be on the, on the border lines of this well beyond the pain, beyond what you have seen in gaza beyond your child, the screams of hunger and see if you will be in a smokeless bottomless place. so wait for me, brother, be patient and don't leave. you're only allowed to leave once when i get there. i don't want to see you sad or old. angry or tired, scared of bones or big tanks, frustrated the words. just they as the way t excited lads wanting to play the wood and cycle to the beach. i will practice playing new songs

and i will show up. in the meantime, while you wait, you can find someone to teach them how to send wood to make beautiful furniture, or teach the kids how to play marbles 1000000000 play. you can keep your big smile as a busy yourself doing things for others. like you have always done whatever you do, just stay there. i'm coming. i went below the thank you so much. so that's such a beautiful and, and moving tribute. thank you for sharing it with us and thank you for being on. reframe today. it's been a privilege to speak to you and thank you to all of you for joining us for this important conversation. the

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