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how about we get on change phase benjamin netanyahu as reiterated his pledge to re tool the map of the middle east. is there any prime minister is in the united states? well, he'll be the 1st world leader to meet donald trump in his 2nd term. missing you all who believes working closely with the president will help him to further change the face of the region after the war on cause the ends but weeks off to signing the c spot agreement with her mouse is ralph has ram top of the tax on refugee camps and the occupied westbank. these ready armies, as the operation is, be noised to prevent the building of terrorist infrastructure experts will and the military rates. and i'm mixing bowl pulse the entire tree. is donald trump's return to the white house encouraging nothing yahoo to push ahead with his dream of agree to israel. and what does all this mean for the future of palestinians living in the occupied westbank? we'll discuss all these questions without guess shortly. but 1st support from joel

evans as hundreds of thousands of palestinians return to their homes across garza and the fragile cease fire approaches. the 2nd phase is ready. palms rang down on the occupied westbank for the last 2 weeks. these randy ministry had been carrying out right across the occupied westbank saying that necessary to prevent terrorist infrastructure from being established. large numbers of his ready troops have entered the city and his refugee camp, and supported by drones, helicopters and almond photos is hundreds of palestinian families have again been forced from the house. and there is another battle on face down to the coolest spot of the drawing to leave the neighborhoods. and he took out a square. so we went towards the square. i went with my mother and my family. they did times me, they put me inside a room and loved it was much of these riley ministry's focus has been on jeanine,

where entire residential buildings, roads, of the infrastructure has been destroyed. these ready the ministry. so his code, at least 50 palestinian sites, is since rates began, but civilians have also been killed, including 2 euro layla. i'll cut the funding. i'm so that we can, you know, now do a heads up when they started to shoot that to us through the windows without any warning. all of a sudden special forces redid us and we're shooting through the window with the military operation on going is ready. prime minister benjamin netanyahu has travel to washington dc. he's the 1st for our leader to visit president donald trump. since isn't all the ration last month, and despite interest for him being issued against him by the international criminal code, the decisions we made in the war of already changed the face of the middle east, our decisions and the courage of our soldiers that redrawn the map but i believe that working closely with president trump,

we can redraw it even further and for the better. among the discussion will be the implementation of the gaza si size, 2nd phase, palestinians across the occupied westbank. the future is uncertain. many continue to live in fear for their lives and the future. i'm wonder if that was devised joe levins out his era. so inside story the. well, let's discuss this further without puddle of guests today in san francisco. professor steven soonest, he's professor of politics at the university of san francisco and tell of eve, my red zone shine is senior israel analyst at the international crisis group. i'm in ramallah happy. i will need political scientists and full. i'm a senior advisor to the palestinian liberation organization. welcome to all 3 of you. thank you for joining us today. and i've talked with you more of, we've seen this operation by israel centering on jeanine over the last couple of

weeks of the official reason of the comp down seems to be to respond to a spike, to shooting some stabbings in recent weeks and to crack down on what they say is home us, but saw most speculating, it might also be to appease is riley settlers who, when that was cause a see spot deal. went on there watching rampage. what's your view on exactly what is rouse doing and why it's doing it? thanks well, he's hard not to pay attention to the fact that israel started this operation and really restricted the movement in the west bank. i started a lot more of what it's already been doing for a long time, but and i'm much accelerated pace. right. is the guy the ceasefire went into effect . so as you alluded, it certainly looks like a signal to the far right kind of quick pro crow, we're going to stop and guys of the, basically the to the yahoo was forced into his these fire by trunk. that is our understanding, my understanding of the situation. and so they've ramped it up in the west bank to,

you know, show that they're still in control. and, but they're still dictating the terms. now. they're not talking about eradicating, come us in jeanine or in the west bank because it's not really about how much they're, it's, it's all kinds of crowds, factional, and i'm affiliated groups. these are very young men who are only know occupation and they only know netanyahu and the one of us. but it's very clear that israel is trying to do the same kinds of things that it's done in gaza, in terms of evacuating people, you know, ruining roads and infrastructure, making it very hard to live there. and yet we, i don't think people expect different results. i, you know, they, they've done these kinds of operations on lesser scales, over and over again. i think the 3rd time in the last 2 years, they've operated in jeanine so many times. and it never seems to create the result that they want. so i don't necessarily expect this to be any different model of could i just check with you though? you say it's not home us and a product and you just love it. you had,

we've had all sorts of other groups. i like so much as lyons den, are you saying this isn't really any organized group a tool? i mean, i'm sure that my colleagues of others can speak more to what's happening with been posted in society because i cover these really died. but yeah, so what i'm saying is, but it's not about you radically eating from us. it's about what, what these ideas is talking about is eradicating tears and tear cells. and those tears cells might identify more or less with the so i'm at $200.00 or other members, but they're not really identified with the specific groups. and this is all over the west bank. you know, like you said, there's other types of groups and they recruit quickly and they come up quickly. so it's not the same as in gaza. but in israel, they're talking about it in kind of the same type of language that they need to eradicate. what's growing in, janine have a um, 70 palestinians killed in the westbank since the beginning of the year. if it

wasn't for the attention on the war and cause, i mean this is, this is huge, isn't it? i mean, what's been going on the westbank since october, the 7th really is been overlooked by much of the world. it is a huge something, but i think when october the 7th is took place and some western countries. it once it's at least a month in yahoo that you have the right side of the funds it. i think many of us expect that what was going to happen, not only in augusta and we were very clear, this is a war against the palestinian people. and, and the main goal of the story in the government have, it's not about the one group or the other is about how to keep denying systematically, the palestinian right to self determination. and that's can be seen the most here in the occupies the west bank. so this is not about what's happened before after october, the 7th. we're talking about a system of will put on the center of the patient, but you can see all over the occupied westbank. and over the past weeks has to be even as front them through almost 900. the fixtures made. they usually

live in, built by westbank, extremely difficult for people have limits to the move, but the people in between different cities. and that goes in part of those with an increase on afraid of set, the total attacks it almost all over the occupied west front, but particularly an area that's under the trump of ministration supplies or the previous administration plan. but they referred to a state of the century. oh that we can talk about the annexation plan. that was supposed to be a next for the start. we're talking mainly about the northern valley and areas in around bulky pipe instead of steve. and i meant since that see spot deal in gaza on the 19th of january the day before president trump was an organization. we've seen pictures in gaza, of how much gum, lots of them on the streets. do you think this military operation in part is a distraction by ness in yahoo to keep his right wing satisfied?

but it's clear that it's not of the seed come us just like they're not going to to see the resistance in the west bank of the resistance, whether it be in the form of a mosque or some secular groups or spontaneous cells or whatever is a result occupation of siege the failure to grant palestinians the right of self determination or equality. and so this idea that, you know, if we just keep hitting, keep hitting, keep hitting, that somehow things will get better somehow things will, will work is nonsense, but i think you're correct and that there is some political side to this that they are, they're certainly trying to appease the right wing and the right wing really does have a, a cart blash now, especially with trump lifting the limited sanctions that the a violent ministration had placed on them several months ago. i think of it not that it stopped being taxed here over 1400 attacks after by the impose the

sanctions, but uh, as long as the settlers keep terrorizing the community, the community is going to strike back. now i want to show something that was said a couple of weeks ago at the world economic forum and of all see you and 2nd, general antonio terrace was speaking there. and those efforts on behalf of the international community who stressed the need for a 2 state solution. but he said he feared there was another possibility. listen, because i think his comments here a very telling you have the possibilities for israel to begin. bolden by so many studies success is that because we have to see that these is the moments to the dx ation of less than uh and uh, 2000 and they kind of a legal situation uh, with the pen please. and clear farm as well, which is clear to me that you see all these lots fundamentally interested in

thousands of them as we speak, the west bar of those last words that it's clear for me that israel is not fundamentally interested in gaza. it's fundamentally interested in the west bank. would you agree with that assessment from the un secretary general? well, i would certainly say that is really government has an open agenda. the next thing the west bank and gaza, it's a different story. but israel. busy policies as we've seen them are to displace and disrupt post in the livelihood everywhere. so that is common to both guys on the west bank and israel's defective control of both the territories continue to control over decades and to various degrees and levels is also common. but i think it's true that in many ways the far right, while it has studied sites on recently and gaza, that seems to be much less possible now that a residence in uh guys that have moved back up north and there's

a ceasefire. and trump has kind of a different vision now, and i think what we need to pay attention to is that the west bank is already under defacto acceleration. i mean israel already, especially in the last couple of years under finance minister because much reach who has also started to move authorities from the military into civilian hands and is very, very open about what he's trying to do. so, you know, there's, there's no question here that this is what his role is doing. and i think what we need to think about is whether it's in mention the items interest to actually formally and next, the west bank last time he threatened to do so. he got the abraham accords and i think for is wrote for the practical. busy right wing in israel, it's more in their interest to defacto next to the west bank and not to make it formal because then they'll have to answer to a lot more legal question is that they don't need to deal with today. have a you'll in ramallah, you are living through this, you're well aware. as of you as our i think that is real estate to 10 day right on

the west bank focusing on jeanine again last summer in august and september. and then in recent weeks, the policy knew the source has been carrying out its own right in a very public way, with all my vehicles going through the streets of janine, the spokesman for the policy and helps out with your patients that the english to put an end to submission and tell us what message was the policy nuno saw it to you and your view trying to send with that operation the kind of thing all sorts. he was trying to send a message to the trumpet, ministration with regards to the willingness. it has to have an effective control, but i think the most important elements here is that the, for any government has been weakening, not just any sort of kind of thing, an organization on the ground. but the policy now policy itself, it's virtually impossible for any government to have an effective control here in the elk by its westbank, under the mattress or the starting, the government, the let's remember that the story of the government,

the student is confiscating hundreds of millions that belong to the signal authority, and at the same time it's making very difficult for the p a to function with the problems they are facing regarding movement between different policy and areas. steve of the year ago, the us and the you what demanding that there was a reinvigorated leadership of the policy and authority in almost a year ago. a new prime minister mohammed mustafah was appointed to lead the policy new authority isn't the reality though. the p a is probably weaker than ever very much so the combination of its own a corruption and the, the, the view that in increasing view that they are essentially a collaborators with the, as riley's other inability to, to stop the war in dollars of that. and the aging leadership in terms of president, my boss is certainly hurt it's, it's a, sorry, you're an addition to an interest in the middle 2 groups of you also have

a growing civil society move. do you have a lot of non violent resistance and alternative institutions and the other other act actions from the, from the bottom up that are challenging not just the as rarely occupation of, but many aspects of the ph rule as well. but the problem, of course, is that they, it is in, in the, in the current situation where they live, most of the land remains under a foreign control of where the world's greatest super power is. blocking the united nations from enforcing its resolutions. where the united states has as contradictory role a being the chief mediator in the conflict and the chief military, economic and diplomatic supporter of the occupying power. really there's is, there's no palestine authority, one could think of even with a fairly um, you know, spot apparently a fairly, a competent, a technocrat in the prime minister's office. you know, it is an impossible situation really for anybody

a matter of the other factor. of course is the un body that deals with the palestinians. unruh has now been found by these riley is if you don't have a functioning unreal, you have a barely functioning palestinian authority. you have an economy that is racked, i mean, what does it leave foot for people living in the westbank come in that. how would they even get to get basic services? yes, i mean israel's law against the sooner i went into effect this week a few days ago and they were evacuated basically from their offices in jerusalem and their future is unclear. um, obviously the most urgent situation is the humanitarian and the services and the education that we provide. but i think what is really doing here. and again, it's very open and clear in terms of the color of the, the government's agenda. this is part of it's just destruction of the palestinian people and in doing what they're doing to under uh they're basically saying that there aren't post, i mean, refugees, this isn't something that we're ever going to deal with and it's

a political issue. so this is part of israel's campaign and also to diminish or even collab supposed to need a tardy, even though the military realize very heavily on the t a for what it does in services in the west bank. but you know, it's, are all there is no alternative for lunar right now in the occupied territories. and so this is going to create more unemployment, more violence, more chaos. and arguably, it's not in israel security interest to do so. on of course have a the settlement scale on land continues to be taken by israel, who is actually leading this operation for israel because it seems that the finance minister smoked rich seems to have not a formal role. but he seems to be calling the shots in the west bank. would you say he's effectively now? the governor of the westbank? i think i what so do you agree with the with that to assessment and i will just of the story. the government seems to be that the it but

a document made by mr. smoked, it's back in 2017, which he basically provided palestinians with the options they either accept to remain on the occupation of our sides with no rights. or if he claims that which is something that the president trump seems seems to be endorsing. now in the case of the whole data it, or if a none of those work, then he will talk cuz he will talk about the military. and when we talk about the community type solution, it's very similar to what's happening in gaza with, i'm just trying to say is a people here in the occupies westbank. extremely concerned with some of them. and i'm really afraid that they be seeing as we have witnessed in gaza. i'm going to repeat the tier for the sake of this on. busy and an exception process, and i think most importantly a piece of state which is the survival of the government. but this taking place is through the suffering and the denial of rights of dependency. different people.

stephen, and it seems to me, as mentioned y'all who meets trump, there are 2 possible scenarios, maybe the remote, but the main wants to me all the trump pushes ahead with the abraham a cold skits saudi arabia to join the you a ball, rain, morocco, and well saddam is probably a little bit of a moot point to give them the country's been in civil war for nearly 2 years. he pushes ahead with that. and if saudi was to agree with that, then he, we wouldn't have westbank an exception. and displacement of people from garza. but that's the other option. the many in these riley cabinet would like to see which way do you think trump is going to go? you would shop. well, certainly try to push for deal with saudi arabia. but even saudi arabia is a 3rd hearing that may be can ignore the, the views of 98 percent of their population, which i think would oppose recognizing israel without recognizing palestinian

statehood as, as well. a viable state alongside israel. so i think he will, it, to, the alternative would be essentially to give a nothing yahoo a blank check now either for outright annexation or increasing the de facto annexation. i think we will see increasing violence. we're going to see a situation like we did in south africa and the 1980s of with the war and the townships and ends and or, or do use another analogy from that period. el salvador, where the united states, you know, allow the desk squads and, and inclusion with the, the, the saudi start with the salvador and military to engage in ongoing and massacres. so i, i think is as long as trump is in here, i cannot expect him to push israel to moderate and in any way whatsoever. and i think it's going to be up to the international community and the, and the american civil society, to,

to rise to the occasion and do what we can to make sure such a horrible scenario doesn't take place. my ref comes 1st to nothing. you know, who got absolutely everything he wanted to move the u. s. embassy to jerusalem recognized as riley control of the go on. um you have the cushion of proposal which cause didn't go anywhere particularly, but it was very favorable to israel and he got the abraham records. but now the next stage of the abraham a course could potentially, could it not be a difference between the, between netanyahu and trump given the electro count calculations and the political calculations of the coalition interest the yes, well, you have a kind of very different dynamic. now between that and yahoo, we control bray trump is in his 2nd term, he's come out very clearly for the cease fire has put his weight behind it, and for the hostage deal is really the relying war and from then on it's in your

own to get their fellow citizens out of gaza and you have this conflicting kind of vision that trump is, seems to be putting forward a mega deal with saudi normalization. but how do you get that without giving serious concessions to the palestinians? a student was talking about there's no way to kind of square that circle and you have people in trump's administration who are greater israel annexation is like huckabee, like at least defining, and then send you out and wants to survive and his coalition. so if he's going to continue with the guys ceasefire, he's gonna have to give something else in return. so it's very unclear and of course the saudis as well are not going to be able to move quickly on this because they're going to have to see serious measures taken. and 1st and foremost, a complete withdrawal of ideas from gaza and like a permanent end to this war. and on the other hand, we still have some ice and power there, which is something that is relevant to me. i don't want the saudis presumably don't

want trump doesn't watch. maybe that's the one major commonality, but it's unclear how all the pieces of this puzzle are going to come together. and right now it seems completely unreasonable, but i, i would say that i think trump has a different vision than that to me on right now. and so that's a very interesting dynamic that we're going to have to see how it plays out. well steven, take taking that point on if trump has a slightly different edition, that vision from nothing, you know, you might argue, as matter i've said when she mentioned some of the names that some of those around trump probably share nothing yahoos vision rather than trumps. right now, people like at least the phonic who wants to be and probably will be confirmed, the you and i'm positive, says israel, as a biblical right to the, into the west bank. you have become could be who they want to make the governor of the box of the israel saying that really is no such thing as a palestinian. the trump solution is is a broad one. it includes these right wing christian fundamentalist. oh see,

god has some kind of cosmic real estate agent that gets all the land to the jews. but you also have the tech rose. you have the, you know, more pragmatic elements in the mix as well. but i think that that the trunk, but at least inviting you, gave it a try to get a sense that he gave some lip service to international legal standards. trump does not. i mean, he doesn't care about us law, given all of indictments, mostly as a international law. so i'm afraid that he will indeed be open to the prospect of annexation. you know, if he ever, every square meter of the west bank at least uh the uh, area is controlled by uh, israel, other supplements in this and, and the surrounding the lands. and so i, i really don't think that he is going to be willing to push a nothing yahoo it to compromise at all or to crack down on the hard liners within it, within his colon. should have a briefly, i mean,

you heard stevens the say he believe the bite and paid some lip service to international legal norms. is that how it is seen in ramallah? and is there any anyone that who thinks it could be better with trump? the 1st of all, i don't think he'd been there to pay a service. he contribute to it, to identify thing does uh, and he didn't do much to end the quarter in a separate occupation here in delphi by the west bank. let's remember that a lot of money is being turned them from organization, saying that us to a story, to set them in groups here in the occupied with span, including for example, the jewish a fund. i'm there the a by the administration, by the few what's going on that sense. and i would say though, is that, that many people are of domestic. we specially, i'm from particularly after if he's to endorse ment of an ethnic name. so you kind of have a thank you very much and thanks to all i guess today on inside story steven soon

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