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a $150.00, so say returning to afghanistan could be a death sentence for them as music his bands there, but with no formal asylum system and progress down the future remains on the stairs . and so again, before it's from the shower near the border with afghanistan, these as can musicians gather and one of pocket stones largest cities to shower, trying to preserve that culture while living in exxon that practicing one of the most famous ask them songs. the lyrics mean homeland on or about the beauty of a scanner, then put the hash maps. he said it's a country that he no longer recognizes. well plus we're looking at the longest function with the last as if i go to, if god is, then i will be killed. there is no future for me. all my family, but it bucks fun. we're being asked to leave. we are human beings, and we need to be treated like humans that will push it since 2023 pockets. donnie
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authorities have wrapped up efforts to pull scans with out residency papers. last year. we'll get 800000 with the postage. but government officials say that immigration rules on new different than west of nations because have undocumented people by the musicians or anyone else. we kind of undocumented people in the country. well, the streets of the shower are brimming with people. many scans are in limbo and afraid to leave the homes. this room is a sanctuary for these office, but they say as soon as they leave the reality sinks in, at any moment, they could be arrested and posted a constant fast of these musicians and all the scans who lacked proper documentation across the focused on his own account where the pores i scanned refugees live. the conditions are desperate, the outlay have no choice but to walk on. so to the young like hats rock who at 11 years old, south dusty plastic bustles and metal tends to the living side to that by sigma. i
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got to scraps from these homes and then sell them for a few 100 rupees. so that me and my family can survive. for more than full decades, afghanistan has not known peace and its people has fled. most of them to neighboring pockets dawn, but with authorities here settled that the pul taishan plans, it seems that i scanned refugees, could be on the move once again, searching for a safe land to cool home. sorry, go out to 0 to shower, talk this done. well, as of may tell them a kind of for the moment, you can find much more information on our website, delta 0, adult com. the news continues to opt to reframe, which is up next. the, this isn't region that is last week. maybe the little thing, but it's one also that is afflicted 5 conflicts,
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police blocks. we try to balance the stories, the good, the bad i've been and he's the people allow us into their lives. they give me 10 to minus. he asked me to tell this story is the only thing that's right is have is the power of hope is that they create a new world, then we can see a possibility. we can create another universe. that's the way we think. yes. because it allows you to think different k it brings in an image that you never have filled off and actually brings of closer to home things. it's closer to you. the info at the level 2. and in this series we'll be discussing one of the biggest stories of our time, the war and gaza. and today how palestinian office are responding to it. my guess this week is garza born writes a director and academic a human masoud. his work sets out to tell every day stories from palestine. he's
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within the detective stories such and gaza cold come what may. and a black comedy called the shroud maker of having grown up in the refugee camp and siblings and found they were trapped under israel. sees the men. thank you so much for being here with us today. i know that someone from gaza this must be an incredibly difficult time for you. there isn't the family i'm in gaza that hasn't suffered personally. that hasn't lost loved ones and a new family is there's no difference. can i ask you about your brother, holland? sure. so my brother was killed on the 22nd of january earlier this year and he was shots by what we call like, what got a quote come to is this news writing machine,
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which is a mixture between a drone and a helicopter that we think is run by a guy and makes decisions by shooting directly. he was walking down the street, come in to get bread for his somebody. he was shot and uh, the tanks and phones. so he was left bleeding on the street for 3 days of to 3 days of intensive bombing and shooting in the area. and nobody could get there eventually his cuz and my cousins went to get him and he was still alive. and he died on the way to as they moved him on. i don't keep caught to get him to hospital side there being an ambulance. had there been a, a part of me that he probably would've left, but unfortunately, there wasn't, i'm so sorry to hear this and, and also you, you had lived in, you had lived in go the for oil life until you came to london. and there must have been all the times when he was separated from his family because of or because of
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conflict. but this time seems so much small, devastating. how are you coping? i don't know has the is the right on, so i don't know how i'm going to be honest with you. i feel i need to stay strong for my family and because people's need me that right now and every aspect, whether it is 3 emotional support or financial support or 3 simply connecting them with each other, keeping the news flowing between members of the family. so i see this is my role at the moment and that's how i'm coping. but also i think the other thing is writing really i think writing has because it has been an amazing thing for me in terms of coping has become very therapeutic and allowed me to process those emotions that are being missionaries squeezed and ringed inside me to come out in the form of a palumbo, or, or, or a short story or a thoughts on it today. because with us, you were able to drain those emotions that
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a little bit and come out with something a little bit beautiful and kind of look at it. and see those emotions without the wounds that's come with it. you said before our ours is resistance and our resistance is ok. and you are obviously a novelist. you have many hats as a writer, but over this past year your twitter account has performed as a kind of exit or a new service in a way you're using it as a diary. so it's very direst to me. but you're also letting us, while you talk about your sister, about your nieces and nephews, your family. there were also telling us of the ongoing horrors of, of the constant. is there any bombardment? and at the same time, as you just mentioned, you started to write poetry, which is not something you've done before last year. so has your life as a right of changed considerably. i mean, in, in ways that you hadn't quite imagined over this past year completely. i mean, it changed in the way that was a,
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a con sleep. so most of my poetry and writing is coming out, lack of sleep. i'm so, so a lot of, uh, thoughts, and some subconscious thoughts i, i suppose. and so real. so sometimes i writes at night late at night and then wake up in the morning and look at what i've written such, i've never done that before. the fact that i'd write poetry now, i love poetry, so much is amazing, but i never always been able to write poetry before and somehow it came out. it came out with the 1st time that i read to my brother because i needed to say something, but i couldn't put it into a play or a plot or a climax or a twist and turn the did. there is no, it was 10 times quite clear as a genocide. so how do you express that? how do you actually talk about a genocide and your emotion? seeing not just your family suffer, but also the place that you loved the place he grew with a grew up in unrecognizable accounts. i can't recognize because at the moment how do i really talk about it and how do i see it right now?
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i'm a writer that made a conscious decision to write about because i made that decision a long time ago because i wanted to. and now seeing that city being destroyed this housing me so much. and i would love to write more about the city that it was in the city that it will be rather than the city that it is right now that everybody's showing on the news. can you, can you describe for us that city that it was because the rest of us maybe some people knew the things of god. but over the last year we've just seen images of, of devastation of destruction. and we've lost sight of what it was before. can you tell us about that city that you remember a beautiful chaos somehow he had, think of not play very much. so when i went there, not really for the 1st time. i was like that said of arrive to the, this is the european version of cause of mediterranean, but it's a range in town was live. it's the alley's. it's old town as a market is,
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is as noise and hustle and bustle and cafes, and restaurants, and or an theaters and odds, any use and shops and, and people who smile a lot and make a lot of jokes and keep the motive to that. that's what i got that was and, and this because i, i remember that i do remember the 1st time i went from jabante account, which is very different. when i was coming up is called the press. if there was no infrastructure, there was no sewage system, for example, in there to go through because of city. and i saw these place of, of, you know, the on the most that was built in the 2nd century or so, which is now destroyed. and unfortunately, and pass a pass a palace as an ultimate beautiful building. and i work through digital is that was like a little child looking at this beautiful city. think of damascus from that perspective in jerusalem and, and, and hold of the places i went to come back to childhood. but, but you mentioned the great on murray most of which has been destroyed. there's also the church of saint paul, serious,
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which is thought to be the 3rd oldest church and the world that has been destroyed by it's rarely bombardment. um how, how does one of sites to keep that cultural heritage? because guys, it was known as a cultural hub, palestinians, and among an arabs as well. mm hm. how do you fight to keep that alive? through writing mostly, and i think latricia is a footprint. the thing that will survive in the future to hundreds or 300 years from, from now on, with the opposing or, and noval, or overlook of that sort of representative that i don't think we have a responsibility as palestinians and that's odd to this. but also as international solidarity to kind of keep that alive as much as possible. i don't think many people now talk about the home or the most cold or the judge. i think that's been forgotten already. it pains me. and the reason it pains me this also because it is in my novel, come with me because a lot of the events like are set and that in the ashes of the mosque and underneath, in the tunnel of the cetera. and it's gone and people don't know about it. so i
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think we have the responsibility as right as in the office, but also as an international solidarity movement to continue to talk about that and also later on hold as well as responsible because they are destroying or you must go well having these sites, you know, and that is an international crime, so, so making sure that we talk about it and social media, if we find a way of, uh, talking um, making films out or whatever it is, i think we should on reading. i mean, we have responsibilities as, as readers as well. and you mentioned that you grew up in w refugee, come me and i want to ask you how it was that literature found you or you find interest. so what did stories mean to you as a young boy? i mean, i grew up as a refugee. i lived with stories from my father and my grandfather and my grandmother about this beautiful house that we had. and what is now is ro that, that my grandfather was rich. he had this beautiful again, autumn in house,
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built from a jerusalem stone that i sort of living to the stories. in the meantime, i'm listening to all of this and that the imagination and the world, the power of the universe that i'm told about. and. and what i go through on a daily basis is a you and refugee card that i have to go every wednesday to collect the aides for my assignment a, which consisted from some piece of bread and cooling be right. so i wanted to know a little bit more about that and but the literature and about this kind of the stories that people like but living 3, my father studied arabic literature and he said what he was so much into books and my, our house didn't have much food, but a lot of books, you know, so at the age of 9 i read lennon and somebody that was on the left side. you know, i read by the age of 10. i read oldest son can offend. he's well including the, the, the, how this thing and novelist who was killed in 1972 for his writing. we had the
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above 4 volumes of mine with those books that my dad, he just has to go to the markets and we didn't get food. he would get 2nd of books and set them up. so that's how literature and books funding. oh, you know, you mentioned the genocide as something that is constantly changing something that's you called go to sleep and wake up in the morning without finding new devastation, a new horrors on. certainly no one has escaped this in gaza, but there has also been, i'm not talking about journalist here, there is also been a concerted effort to kill right to, to kill po, it's to kill translators. and i want to ask you, what is it about rights? is that a so dangerous? and what power do rises have if any, against this kind of the race or i think the only thing that's right is have, is the power of hope. is that they create a new world that we can see a possibility. we can create another universe that's the way we think. yes. because
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it allows you to think differentiate it, brings in an image that you never have filled off. and actually brings of closer to home things, it's closer to you. i don't think my opponent has changed the world or, or changed politics or governments, etc. but it made a huge difference to that. and hope you hope is a huge power and hope makes a huge difference how it is a who's power. so prizes have no actual physical power, then not fights as they're not, you know, going on the frontline and doing it. they are risk getting a lot of their lives. many right. does have received test or threats in cause of 5 is right now me before they were killed, then target that because they know that there is the possibility that we will change people's hearts and minds. you mentioned the mood the wish earlier, and he's one of my favorite poets. he said, we do. what prisoners do? we cultivate hope to what is your hope for the future i want. my help for the
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future, i think is the for the whole thing to be resolved as much as possible. i am a big believer for one state solution as my what i advocate for. i think it can happen. it will happen. but also the hope is that the us palestinians are seen as normal people as duma hammons. and we are taken seriously not by just by our ending . these are people who don't like us, but also by our friends, as well as that, as we're seeing as, as right. as, as doctors, as engineers, as, as economics, as, as normal people, we have the good and the bad, the, the, the heroes and villains and all of these things. so we know some sort of export the rest of the people who are just like terrorist or really victims or whatever. there's really a complete society in that. and people need to understand that. um and they the way to do it is to read more of our work, read our poetry, read our books, connect with us as much as possible, even right now. but on social media, people from gaza writing some really on is sort of accounts, you know,
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not just criticizing as well on the west. and no one of these images only about that. they're also angry about the tradesman who are charging high interest with, you know, money transfer and goods and they're writing hold of the recording on of that. and i think it's our responsibility to be in touch with that as much as possible and to see people as humans as possible. i'm going to turn to the audience now and for some questions for osmond. we've got a question in the front to hi everyone, i'm my name is as addition sharma on the right. so i'm the director of an independent publisher called the $87.00 price. we've recently works closely with me to reduce the statement in support videos. so my question is, we have seen across the world, a lot of writers, cultural institutions and office standing up to support the policy and the peroration. but i'd like to know what more we can do aside from boy call. thank you . this is a really good question. i think that a lot of rights as an office has to the uh to support the kind of thing and close
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and then enter the knowledge stage and sundays. really, genocide for sure. however, i don't think it's enough. i think there are a lot of many, many, many other writers who haven't yet. i don't have time for rights as a not to say don't you haven't stood up and said, hey, this is, this is, this is wrong. what, what are you doing or expressed an opinion about it because those people influence uninspired, a lot of other people as well. and i think be we should be as an international solidarity movement and publishes not to, to engage with those people. and this is the time for naming and say, man said no, i'm sorry, how come to work with you? because that's the only way to set up the pressure on them to change the direction in terms of saying what action was. now my writing is being effective. now i am gonna suffer personally because nobody's going to read my books or publishes. i'm not going to publish my, you know, my, my was, i don't know if you saw this. there was a counter lesher published or has had signed on to boycott is very comfortable.
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festivals and things. we've met with account to protest letter and in that letter and people defending israel said that it was dangerous and then liberal me to boycott cultural institutions. what, what's your response to that? i mean, this is a classic kind of argument. that boy is dangerous because the need to engage with the other side and this method to have that conversation rather not have that conversation. so there is, there's an argument there that i'm happy to debate and happy to delta and dive deep into however it this time when there is genocide for anybody who is completed and who's supportive of this genocide then no, i don't think there is a moment of dialogue and kind of having that relationship and that, that connection with is there a cultural institutions, for example, if we think about is ready to see it as most of the most state funded, most of them have kind of a relationship with the government of, of some thoughts and most of them and performing
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a legal settlements and in the west bank. so there's a big case for boy cuts. there's a big case for saying, well actually, that doesn't sits well with my moral morality and my principal. other questions um the lady in the front. a. hi, my name's res. less. i'm an act. time was a positive cultural organizations. us the to why collective who stand we as influence on the dollar to have published indians and, and then we'll say said helping to set up a jewish all just network for palestine. mit and we've seen the intensification of the rage of posting and stories. and the chilling and cowardly silence and censorship from cultural organizations. first, they do feel that the, all the sectors fail, palestinians. and can you also talk about the role of resistance in it's particularly from growth rates. organizations, you know, is the 3rd into 5. they're going to be a cultural one. i think the sector in the u. k. and in many other countries has
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failed palestinians a long time ago. and not just now by the way. i think institutions have a this engaged to is uh, palestine about sort of studies 8 years ago. so particularly when, when, when uh, colbin came to power and became the leader of the position that was actually a defining moment for posting in the office for us. and i'll give you my experience in that example. i had scheduled place to be in certain vineyards and when that's of the height of the anti semitism debates of the labor party and the issue around the neighbor punched in telling me common which has nothing to do with my face of the night if by creation my play was cancelled for no reason, you know, from the service the news because people started to see us as like, oh, if i put a protest in a play or story or, or, or whatever it is, then i'm taking size and i'm, i'm being and to submit that there was no chance for us to kind of break through
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this and many cultural organizations and up to, to have you know, words about palestine written by non ta. this thing is i want to get back to the point around the next uh intifada. is it, is it a cultural intervention? i think by yes, that is happening already. i think seen a palestine in the last 1015 years. if you look at the cultural production that in terms of theater cinema, we have more cinema coming out of kind of fun than syria and lebanon combines in terms of films, which is incredible, right? so see if i go so many see other companies in the west bank and gaza as well. i think now we need to rebuild that and to make sure to focus on that as much as possible. so that doesn't get killed because a lot of the office killed already, but the idea and the important self at the end, the residence at the residence of it doesn't go away. i think we need to continue to imagine as much as posts as possible support palestinian artists. so yes.
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cultural intifada, it's happening already. how is it going to peak? i don't know. yes. this gentleman in the back. yeah. hi, my name is simian. i live in london, i'm currently a teacher in training and a rapper. so someone who uh, someone who enjoys writing, i'm an advocate about how words turn i can help make sense of emotions. and so after seeing all this senseless carnage taking place, what's the one piece of writing that you wrote that has helped to cope with all the sense was carnage that's been taken place that has a really good question. i have a piece of writing that helps me code. um, well i think 2 pieces of pricing, i guess um for 3, if i may, 1 is on the pun to my brother. i think uh his uh, yeah. is it may need for his everything's like in there and remember him as, as beautiful as he was. and the 2nd one i wrote
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a poem called to gaza with hope. and it's, i just talked to god, the city has the city with buildings and, and things like that. and i really like, and i like that probably. and because i say almost a pledge for me and i read it quite a lot to remind myself that i will remember because that has a beautiful place, not as a destroyed place this and this, this is actually a 5 minute play hold um the slowest the pro 5, and it's about this, this uh, it's a 3 story i saw this guy in real 5 and the refugee come sending flowers and i sort of my god, what's me do you think this is what people need right now? you have no. so you do, you have no, you know, basic stuff, but to you go home to the 10 to or pots and that to your kids and say, i've got to a flower. and the, the great thing about it was that the people were buying people, you know, buying extreme, the expensive flowers, where did they come from? how much to the risk as live for. and this, those beauties of people that change
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a lot about what you see with that. so with your work, i would advise if you're writing about how does that look for these things more than you look for, you know, the mexico with 20 people. the news covers the stories covers the numbers covers the bodies covers the atrocities often to for use of how do i get that emotion in the because i have the power on the weapon of fluids and symmetry and metaphors and beautiful things. how can i do it? and i want to say this actually, because you are not just you also having a responsibility with this to help us with kind of things as much as possible soon . right? that's right. think about the dentist and i think everyone should drive about it and how you feel about it, because it is affecting you as much as affecting me. you know, it's damaging you as much as the medicine is damaging all of us. i wonder if you would read for us the poem to brother had it? sure. um, i should say that this poem i only read once in public,
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it doesn't make me quite emotional. so if i still pa, for 3, i apologise so so, so this plan is called the salads. i had it is my older brother killed on the 22nd of january, 2024. to kind of tell me what is your name and how big. so stay in motel, be on the, on the boat, the lines of this well beyond the pain, the only once you have seen in gaza. beyond your child, the screams of hunger and fear, you will be in a smokeless bottomless place. so wait for me, brother, be patient and don't leave. you're only allowed to leave ones when i get there, i don't want to see you. sad or old. angry or tired, scared of bones or big tanks, frustrated the words. just they as the way too excited lads wanting to play the wood and cycle to the beach. i will practice playing new songs
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and i will show up in the meantime, while you wait, you can find someone to teach them how to send wood to make beautiful furniture, or teach the kids how to play marbles brilliant today. you can keep your big smile as the busy yourself doing things for others. like you have always done whatever you do, just stay there. i'm coming. i won't be long. the thank you so much that that's such a beautiful and, and moving tribute. thank you for sharing it with us and thank you for being on, reframe today. it's been a privilege to speak to you and thank you to all of you for joining us for this important conversation. the
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the tories terraces of the football ultras with club loyalty, company, violence, confrontation when i was young, when there was a football match, we were frightened because the friends couldn't go crazy. but in indonesia, one group of revolutionary supporters as taking a stand against the mainland pressure with economy for less display of peace. and due to the funds who make football, o trips and angels on out just be around the youngest country in the world child sedan economy is mostly the when i did, i was calling for my sector is also the poorest health schooling and foot by 2 to an economy, the not being provided by informing the claim set. and the 1st part of the series
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out is there, examines the intricacy of south sit on society and the extraordinary resilience of its people. i always advise you don't have to drag the bull bed a couple of africans, new directions, page and strings on al jazeera. people say my mom's when was revolutionary, but actually, her radical activism began as a high school student years before her pageant career. i got involved in beauty padges to use all the things between me and my mom because all my riots situation on my stones throwing woods. let's go my husband alone lose their job. so that's why i was just balancing the, the things that told me the simple, the idea. yeah. not. yeah. i was let's do this here for the
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a thin for then tell me little political daycare that the project i'm gonna go through like with these. yeah. the donald trump's terrace against mexico and canada had been put on hold hours before, but i wouldn't go into effect the optimal pride. this is all just here. a live front of ha, also coming up to and brothers were united in the ruins of northern collins to begin to rebuild for israel destroyed hundreds of calculates, of being buried in mass drive south to m. 23. fine is took the city of government, the state and the motion will return home to
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