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on seeing president trump's comments previously about forcibly removing the population of gaza, about 4 simply displacing the palestinians from their homeland. so they put out this statement, they said that they are not going to absorb millions of palestinian refugees because palestine is their homeland and they need to remain in gainesville and on the back cause i do refer to the statement it was made by uh by israel the for given me by uh, egypt there of course these are sent to me instead of being echoed by jordan as well, which has been speaking at one point i believe i can consent of jordan was speaking on behalf of both jordan and egypt. and he was saying just about a week ago, nope, there is no way that we are going to be willing to accept palestinians from gaza as well. the jordanian king has been saying that and in fact he's going to be heading to the white house to meet with you as president donald trump. he'll be the 3rd world leader to meet with president trump since he took office in the white house.
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and it's important to note the pals to the president with our bus is going to be arriving in jordan to meet with the king in order to talk about some details that have been presented by president trump, of course denouncing them, condemning them, refusing to agree with them, but they're going to talk before the king goes to washington, where this will be a main topic point, a main point of discussion between the jordanian leader and the sitting american president. because jordan has said they refuse to do this. and jordan is a strategic country, they share most of israel's land borders with them on the eastern side. so there are a lot of moving parts here. and even though jordan's location geographically is significant for israel, they have been quite clear since the beginning of this war started nearly 16 months ago about their position of standing with the palestinian people. honda, thank you very much indeed. have this a who they're talking to is from a long, but also finds a professor of political science, a bar on university is joining us live from west of east. and so thank you very
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much. indeed for being with us. i want to talk to about the press conference was held within 24 hours or so ago between with donald trump and a prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the statements. but donald trump was making about guys i particularly, and the, the movement. all palestinians off guys i must have been i would imagine music to the ears of members of the far right and in the collection of benjamin netanyahu. but it never bank of yet on both of those small trades particularly. why do you think it was that he appeared to be playing directly to those sentiments? and i assume that the in a day was crumbs bread and from paper was stay load previously with the wrong drummer. and there i can stream, right? we representative scenarios where the government, it's not out of the blue, this is their wish. they say they don't dream, not only to and how much to redeem in gaza,
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but also to probably need to implement the ethnic cleansing and extend its population and also be drunk. know about the policy the ring that proved to approve of the a is really on the section of the west bank is not to just out of the blue. it is in the agenda of the drawing at dr. joined a plan of visually right. we government and the american administration. so here we see a dramatic shifting day. it can be such a point because mat offer often let me disease. and the key question is whether somebody or maybe a week competition. it's a bid with united states and normalization with this one with about don't exist.
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not just saying ok, we support the subject organizational the spinning of people. but also we don't go any step further. we do not good states or is right invest these non cancer. this is the key question i put to not see it. i would not see the read in the yachts document with regard to the terms of what you've just referred to. we've had the statement that you were talking about there from saudi arabia, unequivocally saying no there is going to be no movement of palestinians as of java . we've also had the statement as honda for who was describing to us that has been released by members of a the out of league and others who have been st. note there will be no movement, george and then egypt. both countries that donald trump says impala standings. you guys are should be moved to upset. no, we're not taking them. we've even heard from palestinians. and guys have themselves just a few minutes ago saying we have survived 15 months of conflict with israel. why would we leave our land?
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is there any real expectation within israel, particularly within the coalition that any of this is likely to happen, particularly the way that donald trump is describing it will a good day. this is easily coalition. in the higher, they are excited they, they see here as a dramatic shape, the change in their situation in particular, the life of their failure in the war, they fired to achieve their low goals. and so they know dream to achieve something that they not achieve during the war, not only to experiment how most of the this not only to and the how much as an organization, but also to and to be expensive. but i see that population and take over the whole territory empty. so they are excited. they usually send it there. there's really
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center assignments. they don't say a piece, i guess. yeah, you many tell him, no, it is a crime. it is something that we read, jack all the out from the threshold. the process because in this really bubbly varies. it is as a change, visually. this call visually public discourses normalize the genocide. previously they have all these words, they didn't bounce up, but and now these are the dispos, normalize the ethnic cleansing off the bulk of the street. and here are the plans also to expand these operations, the mode of operation they implemented in the vehicle to the implementing. it also extending and also to northwest the back very snow cry by the position so called a position. it is what it gets deep. there is no,
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there's no protest. there is no voice. beth rejected all out from the main body members spot, the leaders that's a tragedy to try to is that isn't sure. this was actually a bruise ever received. that was the voted from the early days of some of these and by its end of these i work, i'm gonna try to do you. i want to bring it back to the day onto the, the topic we were discussing about at the start of this interview and the direction if you'd like, um, or the intent of direction of donald trump's comments with regards to a job and the moving of people in gaza, to what extent do you think there is a said also in the time to by the white house in order to show up the coalition of benjamin netanyahu to bring together if you like the the, the far right and the rest of the coalition because that in recent weeks, given the failures that you were talking about in gaza, there has been some speculation that the coalition was under threat.
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i haven't tried that. this goes much d, all preserving today is the thing else. call ition. yeah. inductance. and keeping him in power. if you look on the voice very mixed up for on the front of the secretary of state, what is the national security advisor? who are the people that struggle nominated? who are, he's in may sup walters. you, you come to the conclusion that it's much beyond the light. they share the same view that the senior be both the, the center of the state, the thing that people are not attached to the land. it's not there, then it's only the atlanta is one of the jewels and they don't. the mand pro is riley to see their do so too much trouble. discretion do not demand is one will absorb the police experienced after causing such
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a damage to the infrastructure in garza. about 60000 by the speed. yes, nobody demand is ready to open these boulders and to up so even relieve those products. the those by the seniors in gaza strip as they demand from jolt into the agent. so that from the line base business. sorry to interrupt you, but i think we appreciate you being with us knocking time. thank you very much indeed for joining us on audra 0. yeah, thank you. i say i want to bring you some of what the trump administration's highest ranking officials have been saying secretary state and local rubio assessment us, it stands ready to lead and make gaza beautiful. again, it also says america is pursuing lost in peace in the region for old people. us special envoy to the middle east. steve, what's called says gaza is uninhabitable. i'm will probably be on on habitable for
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at least the next 10 to 15 years. that's how much work needs to be done. to bobby mcdonough is a former irish ambassador to the u. k. a till the end you is joining us live from dublin. so thank you very much indeed for being with us. um, island, a record has recognized polish time as a state and its own right. what's your interpretation of the way that things are happening over the last 24 hours and the statements that have been coming out as well? i don't speak for the art stuff, but the art for a minister of somebody make this morning items decision on, on transplant, which is that we stand with international law security council resolutions have a need for a 2 state solution and the position is supported by i would say nearly a 100 percent of irish people because in this country, given our long and difficult history, we found nearest neighbor we still retained and all the stopping of dispossession and the importance of land. and the fact that trump talked about because real estate shows, i think that his understanding of human motivation from the of history is now,
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i think that there has to be another way to waste and see here. because trump doesn't always follow all of the stress, you know, actually back down kind of the logic back down in mexico, comma. and so he has, is deliberate policy, as we know, it's a state of the policy of somebody because of the advisors are coming out to some of the shopping things. but it's almost impossible to, to focus on any of them. but at the same time, even though we need to wait and see what actually happens, it shows up there tomorrow about more vacuum in the white house. he talks about making america great again. and yes, he's relentless, the diminishing the stuff or something of the united states in the world. and instantly, also opening up some of the bar high ground for china, the great arrival of the united states, which cannot for the perfectly reasonable states this morning, about the situation garza, the court issue remains and it's so obvious that maybe it doesn't basically set but it is about equal rights for the it's what it is in the products that means and the palestinians have as much right to gaza. and the west bank as is where it is out to their own country. and this is where it has 0 legal,
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moral historical biblical rights to post airlines. and likewise, the united states. so in model terms for the united states to say that the palestinians should get out of their own minds. so that is really to us settlers to move in is actually tomorrow, but loans are saying the united states is to get out to the united states, so the mexican microns can take over. so that won't happen, but i'm just mentioning it because of this as of tomorrow, the president saw it. and of course, in the real world today, negotiations are started on the 2nd phase of the ccr, which is really important. so i hope for the sake of the remaining is very hostages, and for the very long suffering palestinian civilians that the troops play. i think in the last 24 hours to disrupt that. i'm going to ask you of, i mean you use the phrase play acting there. now in, in the, the course of the, the world's awareness of donald trump is a politician. we have become used to him making off the call from lots of script remarks that have had run notifications around the world until they are essentially
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dismantled so often by trump himself saying that he was misinterpreted. yet we now have an administration which appears to be the secretary of state point of view and from the us special envoy to the middle east reiterating the statements that donald trump is making at how much of this does this move from possibly a send a like a bidding war if you like, i deal making a time by donald trump to actual policy. if it is being backed up by members of the administration, it is very hard to know which of this trip see what follow up on. but certainly, you don't need to keep promised a tire of something on canada, mexico during the election campaign. many times i use his background, he's, he's, he said he would take over palm on his back down. he says he would take over 3 months. and i got that the well with the same time the stipends you made last night . this is a profound significance. and i think there are 2 things. one is to what extent disability attend follow up. but the other is the course fact that he's going to get these. he's got to push back from most of the countries in the world,
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and most people in the world can see the front police. the housing is, is to the wrong. the priority of is right is to normalize relations. that's not a good idea. the other countries a little absolutely, with all the circumstances and that's being made clear. so the course i have will come from others. of course, as i say to them doesn't necessarily almost what was part of the stress, but he talked to the governor, please forgive me for interrupting him, kind of funny and congress and we're off against the clock. but we are very grateful to you for being with us on i'll just do this. so thank you very much indeed. all times comments have spot response from the kid to china. jessica washington is in beijing. china obviously has played a role to some degree and negotiations between thomas i'm fata, previously with regard to who's going to run guys that in the future. just talk to us about how the china is responding to all of this. the, well we just heard from china is for an mystery a short while ago,
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being very critical indeed of this latest suggestion from donald trump. let's take a quick listen to what the foreign ministry spokesperson lindsey and had to say. the boss of the roommate, china is always believed about palestinians governing palestine is the basic principle of postwar governance of casa, who we oppose the false relocation of people in gaza. and hope that relevant policies will take the ceasefire. and 1st of all, governments can cause a as an opportunity to push the palestinian issue back to the right track of a political sacraments based on the 2 state solution under achieve last in peace in the middle east. right, and if we put this in the broader context, even if we look be full, israel's will on guns that began. china had consistently called for 2 state solution when the war on guns that began, we've been a week china cold for a c spy. and since to cease by agreement was reached, china has reiterated message the this should allow the conditions to get the
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political settlement office issues back on track trying. his involvement in this issue has been largely symbolic, but it is one that has captured the attention of the chinese public. israel's will on guns that has featured heavily on chinese state media and even on social media. many chinese people to very strongly about this issue. and one recurring motif has been the chinese state media criticizing the us escalating the situation in gaza. talking to this amazing there. that's jessica jessica washington. jessica, thank you very much indeed. well, as we mentioned before, how much has condemns proposal saying it's another example of us biased towards israel and the hung up of the should we strongly reject present from statements regarding the deportation about palestinian people from the gaza strip of the statements reflect confusion, deep ignorance about palestine in the region, guns were certainly not a common land, and it is not a property that can be bought and sold. american biased towards this route and against the pillow, city, and people,
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and against the adjuster warrants continues and is consumed by such statements. who part of the month the us present or track the statements? because such statements at fuel to the flat outposts needed people to live in forces and the resist inspections supported by the arab and islamic nations. before the old plans ended the pointing the pedal, sending people and expelling them from the land of a. we're joined in the studio by title combo and he's an associate professor of public policy at the institute for graduate studies regulatory with us. i know you've been with us over the last few hours or so, but i want to talk to you about the statement this donald trump has been making. because one of the things that seems to be key to this is there's a lot of confusion about what he actually is trying to achieve. now, if you take them at face value, as many people do around the world, what he says is very on the sampling. but if you take them i, some critics are suggested as the opening page and the deal. it changes the narrative a little bit. what's your assessment? do you think about whether or not,
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how much of this is policy and how much of it is essentially to some degree, a distraction or an opening bid grow? i'm person of the opinion that it is a distraction. it's uh and the, this is a trump's negotiation style. the dean deals making style, you know, he's very famous off the to get to something. and what is this something a this brings me back to where we send the stuff to school in this, in this conflict or, and after nearly 15 months of this inside the door. we have seen that as the, the motors by large. but thomas remains the kind of thing and people mean is that it has failed to the politically cleanser, because of the red lines that have been drawn by key comforters, invasion out of countries, many, no one wanted to engage in in this the t. is it any uh, what for what, what does i think the,
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the day after arrangements in days at 8 and the american mindset model list involved coordination of out of partners schools, partners would play cables and governing the fruits of lesser. and this means that is what it is of the whole because a button is being handed over to someone else, and that's what it has no commitment to for us in the states. i think this was by dean. so that before these are the eighty's and the americans together. but now since these countries out of countries have diffused, engaged in this, in this scenario, i think trump though is raising the bought by sending them. and that's again, that's my analysis. that if you don't engage in what does that with what we propose, then you have the ethnic cleansing and that it, which is you're going to think about a stance. now, to what extent is the soonest? i think the vision has to be the scenarios for the trump, who was, was willing to go to all the we in a kind of scenario or trump,
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the business man who is launching a pass now for, for the discussion like, you know, so, but that is it has to be the g collectively, not doing a lot to the meaning enough with statements enough with countries in the last time the expressing that i'm good or rejection. that agent has to show its teeth this time that this is the red line us and we cannot engage in disability whatsoever. and that there is a lots of the on the table when it comes to revising the political and economic ministry interest with the us, including revising, normalization dns and stopping streets on the meditation opposite the, i believe the, the agent has leverage to exercise. but there is, there is a need for this collective decision or collect the position and unity. i mean, i'm a key, i'm, i'm an agent in the countries including took it as that's i. so that's, that's the best, the best. no type of state with me because i want to talk to you about the
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statements that were made by form and national security administer, if not, bank via he's signed from. and he said the only solution to guys to encourage the migration of guys. and as he says, it's notes here, this is the only solution to the guys up problem. this is the strategy for the day off to an infection. come as this is how far back the idea has been circulating and is really society. what you're looking at is a monk poster by an illegal is where the sacrament developer that was published as months after the war began an advertisement to clear neighborhoods destroyed by these really military and build beach front properties. and this idea was also floated by shot, a cushion of donald trump's farmer, whitehouse, advisor and son in law as early as march last year. golf is waterfront property. it could be very valuable to if people would focus on kind of building up, you know, life because he thinks all the money that's gone into this tunnel network and it's all the munitions that that would have gone into education or innovation. what
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could have been done the same i want to ask you on in the lights of what we have just had in the amount of investment that it would take just from a practical standpoint to have in order to be able to create, make anything like this happens that you would have to have american troops on the grounds. you would have to have an american contract or is on the ground. there's the element of ensuring the whole process. i'm giving security to not all of that, all of the american boots in the ground in a foreign country, once completely country. what donald trump had been promising throughout his campaigns, america 1st, that american troops were going to be coming home. america was not going to play a role in on following the soil anymore given to find one would imagine that if this happens under those circumstances, it's going to be a hard sell to the american people in the people who put them into power. does that give us a sense of the kind of negotiating stands that he's taking that maybe this isn't quite as serious as he is trying to depict it, because it would require so much of
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a political risk if you like. for donald trump, i mean 100 percent, i mean drum? yeah, i mean, i mean, we have seen decent this, that i mean minutes the adventures and hit ok and i've done this done and how they ended eventually. i mean, i'm yes. comp has committed themselves to ending conflicts and not only the for the student contract, but also that you clean and conflict and, and the set the so he's presenting himself as a, as a, as a piece for me that as a matter of piece, you know, but this is it's, you have to be tested though. now, what, what it comes to, what, what he's proposing and was that it is my thinking, my thinking is that the us has been under scrutiny under criticism. 14, a billing based on the indigent aside to happen and taking place and supporting it . more or less, it has been in the background supporting his van. why would the american people know, be at the forefront is completing a genocide them because that's the us, me, this we're not talking about
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a classic of what for like in the us fight thing. and it actually army or the dentist on this is f and the convincing the american people really want to live with this legacy ethnic cleansing. and it's our nation. i think that's a question. i leave it to the american people. and so this is, i mean i'm going back to the point. yes, i mean again, trump could be just playing practically here and, and, and he wants to click select the best possible outcome to this, that will these tactics. it's really good to get your thoughts on this time. i'll come with be appreciated. thank you very much. indeed. i was talking to mentioned ethnic cleansing. it's been means often used to carry out crimes such as murder, torture on forcible removal. they kind of mount to crimes against humanity or war crimes. united nations commission of experts defined ethnic cleansing as, quote, rendering an area ethnically homogenous by using force of intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area. and you're off while as professor of international law distributive national university is joining us from congress. so
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thank you very much indeed for being with us. we appreciate your time in terms of that definition of what we have seen over the last 15 months, particularly in jobs. so what's your assessment of whether or not that criteria is met? i don't think we can find that the criteria has been met just on the basis of the. ready conflict between occurring between from us and the israel of last 15 months. and certainly we know that there is a case before the national court of justice that's being brought by south africa, which deals with the issue of genocide, of course. but president trump plan and proposal with respect to guys of the domain discussing certainly rises further concerns as to whether or not you may have effectual situations which could amount to ethnic cleansing on the international. so we heard about the start of the program for francesco, francesco, albany, so united nation, special rapids on the occupied palestinian territories,
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calling out countries, particularly the western countries who appear to be ignoring rulings put in place by the international court of justice and the international criminal court when it comes to allegations of crimes that israel's military and it's politicians are said to have committed. how concerned are you about the state of international law at the moment, given the fact that it seems to be countries around the world who are quite willing to simply ignore the rulings by international as establishment is like this look ident denied that international lawyers certainly being tested by the last 15 months, commencing a cost receipt from us, a tax on our type of $7.00. but on those are encouraged by the fact that we've seen the use of a range of international legal mechanisms. south africa's case in the international court against israel, which has been strongly supported by a number of other sites of saying the national criminal court, of course,
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conducting its investigation into the situation in gaza and the issuing of arrest warrants, including full benjamin netanyahu. and so we are actually seeing international, more working in that regard. and i guess one of the big thing things is how will the international community responding? how will international law be activated if some of the president comes proposals come to fruition donald off while we appreciate you being with us, donald buffalo, profess sort of international law, i astray and national university. that would be great. i. i want to bring you some live pictures that we're seeing out of rough at the moment. just a few moments ago, we saw a line of trucks, a trucks that were making their way across the roof or crossing into gaza. you can see there how the road is being cleared, and of course miss a vitally important for the rest of guys. it's going to be mentioned. it's going to be food. it's going to be to some degree in some sort of construction equipment. but there's so much damage done in gaza. it's difficult to know where to start.
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and the building materials offloading. and so, because of strep view and says that must of needs remain from the heart of the story, say nice admission stays almost 70 percent of buildings in the gospel strip have been either damaged or destroyed. the dealers will take over the guys and we will do a job flying in the face of international law present. donald trump says he'll seize control of gaza and empty it of palestinians, the kind of down or a kyle, this it onto 0 life. and also coming up, come us react, saying president trump comments a dangerous, and the idea is like that could ignite the region. not for negotiation,
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