for support from far and wide hooks of the funds back home. it's more than just a football club. anyone who says policy should be left off with football and you know, doesn't know about football, isn't about politics. and this is the stuff on the passion and the politics of the little pool, etc. the defiance joins part of the funds, who make football series on houses. the or the, the international atomic energy agency was created to promote the peaceful use of nuclear energy and prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. but in today's, well, dr. mission of these to be in paddle the nuclear deal with iran remains to north korea, continues his weapons, program and bus as well in ukraine, has based fees over due to a conflict with was reshaping global alliances between the 225. the attorney

phones for you to diplomacy, or we more come face to atomic weapons, to secure that interest the i a to back to general rafael and mariano grossi tools to once as you, the money out to go see. because i said, you know, the international atomic energy agency. thank you for talking to us. you know, you have presented been to iran on the radio. officials said that they were willing to hold the expansion of that stop by of highly enriched uranium. have they delivered on that particular product to you? that was part of our process. part of our conversation was my 1st street not to we around have been there many times. but with the new administration met with president possession, with foreign minister about the g. bice minister, i mean, is a whole lot of people. and as part of that conversation,

i invited them to consider this as a, as a measure that could predict some confidence that the indicate, you know, in a concrete way their, their readiness to take seriously. the concern is that exist out there about this specific activity, which we use that to are in reaching uranium at the very, very high level. 90 percent is the meaning tiny level. they agreed they agreed and they implemented it or be it for a few days because as a result of every solution that was adopted by the board of governors of the at they decided that they would not continue with this voluntary measure that they had agreed to implement at, at my request. so you, it'd be elegy into a suicide. there was a short leaved measure, but it indicated,

at least to me at that time, that they were listening that they were paying attention to my indications that this activity is an activity that it's, it's not a relevant to those they are you only once into a world, apart from the country start to have a nuclear weapons so that the concern is that exist, did you to me and concerns and that happened at that time. we evaluated that it would be a good gesture after my 1st jeep devil. so i appreciate the fact that they listen to be, but of course the process continued its own logic. and of course i don't take issue with countries wanting to censor or not around. this has to match up full member states to decide what they do. and there were other other cuz he races, but i've been answering your question. this was the situation around this to get because there was a moment when, besides, it was very frustrated over one of the reports the was issued by the i a and the

said that they were going talk to bate new advanced centrifuges, particularly in fargo. and not times if i make correct q mm hm. their, their frustration was not on my report a little. they don't necessarily like their reports. but i'm on this particular occasion, was at the adoption of a resolution. exactly which was censoring iran and saying that your on should can cooperate with me with the agency, etc. so that they, they took this as a sort of off reply or be 30 ish. so it's a 2 this measure that they considered incorrect. you said that yvonne now has about 200 kilograms of you, bringing in rich to nip them. great. gives us a sense of what does that mean? that means that they have a india to have the amount which would be necessary to move to the development of

a war. but i have to be very clear not to confuse your audience yet. they do not have no idea what this and from that to move to the step where or for to the page where they would have an operational or head that the would still be a number of technical steps. some of them quite complex that should have to be to be taken. so we need to be objective. this is a serious matter. having the material is a huge step in the direction in that direction. that is of concern. but that doesn't mean that they are there because bits of those solve the statement and in a different way that they are expanding, that you create capabilities. does the up producing? it was rearranging based. foster then was assumed

a number 3 that they can easily move from a 60 percent purity over the risk of uranium to 90. not necessarily within years, but less of that. but that is correct. what the issue is that to, to have i will head you. i mean, it's not enough to have a in reach you rate and you do, you have to do certain things. you have to have a metalized form of uranium. you have to have dates and nature. so you have to have a number of things that are very complex that go with the side wall head to say, well i haven't, well then maybe test it or not. busy but it's a base of segment that is there to be it to be filled if you want a gap. so it is an activity of concern having looked at material above the level of enrichment where no one is, is doing that is also, i believe, a signal and you run knows that the i a and yvonne have always had

a stream late. i would say how i would put it difficult, but then it gets relationship in terms of there was a case of the crisis of you rainy. i mean under class size restrictions, what are the expenses? do you think it is about time to reconsider the type of relationship that the your agency should have with it? what we need to get is fisting that they give us the necessary cooperation. it's our mission. our mission is to make sure that there is no party for ation of nuclear weapons and when we see them approaching a red line or. ready something that requires explanation. we have to say it as we know and you are right. you saying that these leads to a relationship that is not always easy. you may have seen them criticizing. be very, you know, seriously and have taking issue with any of the things. i say it is my organization

has any that, as always, we are the only ones they are. you know, people are speculating, people are, are making all sorts of scenarios. what do they have, what would they have? what he's going to happen when he is going to happen? the reality at the end of the day is that, but monday to him, you know, and given to us by the international community, by to treat you a number of ration by the agreements between iraq and the agency. we are there was on site inspecting, going to all the facilities, almost a so we, we have a pretty good view of 40. is there any more time the categories, but the issues of different issues have to do. so you mentioned also with the lack of clarity, with explanations about things that happened and should not have happened. finding you writing and tracy's in places that were supposed not to host any their activity, for example. so place these material ways, the equipment that was used or,

and showing us there are centrifuge production compatibility. these and other things that are very relevant and without the future in, in, in a future perspective, more then on a past perspective. so basically it was a relationship based on a monitoring machine put into place. then followed by international sections led by the united states as the terms of breaches of that protocol. but do think that the concept itself is efficient and could eventually lead to the prevention of nuclear phone information, particularly as far as the bodies concern. i think you remember perhaps about a year and a half ago there was a moment where were we detected in richmond at almost 90 percent? we saw it immediately. afterwards. we had a technical conversation with the route and they explained that there was an installation they eat as being

a c lation or not. we saw it. we slowly to media. so the, the, the, the inspection regime, the tools that are inspectors have are extremely and i would say. ready rely at extreme sharp in detecting these kinds of things that the issue here is more the scope. what we can see and what we believe we have not seen more than the inspection itself. we know that given the time of the space for, for example, of these issues i was mentioning to you and you, you mentioned to be this tracy. so if you rate him, you know, we are able, with our method, some techniques that we have to discover whether in this place where we have seating that was something 50 years, the site and then the,

the technologies that we have on the are so will, and home that they are. busy to allow us to say, to see what kind of isotope of the rain that was, what is the probable r as you know, that it cetera et cetera. so this is why it's very efficient. that doesn't mean. ready enough, when you cannot see all the places that you would like to see or that your bod, from seeing something, because of one reason of the. what happens next in iran is something that could ultimately be decided by the trump administration. and one of the key allies of donald trump, senator lindsey graham said recently that the americans should use force to stop or to prevent that your body is from aquatic nuclear capabilities. do you have any concerns that we're looking to was more confrontation? but i think of course,

i'm the head of an international organization that is there to preserve international peace and security. so we are always, we're doing what we're doing. and we are being as demanding as we are. because we know that by giving confidence, by allowing us to tell the world what is happening, the pro, but bailey, of the usual force diminishes. so this is the political game that is being played here. some may believe that the use of kinetic force is the answer. we are saying is if we are allowed to inspect in the way, with the scope, with the depth and breadth that we want, and we would have tardy. and we'd have to guide the hopefully the perceived need to do something you need laterally concrete tv. ready violent will decrease

the 2015 agreement to way around. and the us and the other 6 nations was widely seen as a breakthrough. that could be very helpful to you to the inspectors on the ground and could be conducive of the ultimately to if payment is supplement. but you said that you don't think that the 2015 deal fits the purpose is gone for today. yeah. today why 2015 was 2015. we're talking about a ticket. the code seems incredible. it's been used to do this 10 years. any particular since 2018 the new care program. anyone has grown exponentially. you know, risk not only pointed to the point as well. so now they have a more advanced centrifuges, so you need much less centrifuge just to,

to go to the amount of time and reach uranium that they want faster have. and so one, they have also a couple of easy in other areas which make these phones agreement, um obsolete. so this is why i say, uh, jp a uh, was what it was. let bygones be bygones. i mean, yeah, today is that, is that a to show? nobody has the k that but is that what we need to do or we try, we must try to do. and i hope that states can come to this conclusion and at with us helping them because we are the guarantors that those who are verifying that we have something that covers what needs to be covered and what needs to be covered has changed from that time. so they just don't want to think of it when i say these things. it's not a political, it's purely technical, it's too technical that it could trigger the backlash from the iranians because under 2015, the deal was basically based on this whole notion of limiting the

a bonds used to 5000 old centrifuges. and that the best ones would be just shortly for research purposes. i think this is now obsolete relevant company at that time. they did, they didn't even have these ultra centrifuge use that they have not, they were testing them now they have a, i don't want to get to the technical but that the 1st centrifuges were higher ones that they have for 2 and 6 is to, i mean, catalog and they, they have very powerful it's, i saw them i, i although i have my inspectors, i think it is important to see that i requested this last visit that you were mentioning. i went to a photo and not on sunday. could see the holes where the centrifuges are and, and of course they are state of the art and they are, they, if they perform the 2015 agreement is basically also based on the notion that you

place restrictions of the amount of that material to invest remain in the the how does this look fine? you control the level of purity and the number of the type of a subdivision is put into place. is this still a valid point or do you think this has to be be events that if you ever want to look out and you agree that the loss would be to say that philosophy would be you? you, you look up certain technologies, you a check, what is happening, have in return for that iran gets incentives, the sanction lifting it, etc. so it's that there's an indian, the sense that the basic idea would be the same thing. here is what, what, what, what the contents of the rest would be. what are you going to put there? what are you going to be checking? what are you going to be controlling? what weight vice president joe outside of your voice,

or for some extra strategic issues, said that the iranians, if they wanted to, to acquire nuclear capabilities, they would have done so long time ago. and that even the withdrawal of the american from, from the agreement has helped them in a way to expand and you click okay, but what it is, how do you respond to that? but i think it's a fact. i don't know. the 1st part is up by your judgement. it's something that i would not have an opinion on what the vice president that he's said. but the 2nd thing is to the defense that the program has grown us up. the cost will that mean that is also a matter of interpretation. some say each because gpa was abandoned some digital bit interpretation. i would rather stay away from, you know, say why these happen over these. the fact, this is a fact dates you have a much bigger, more and vicious, very, very important know,

get program that you need to monitor and to verify, you know, in a different way. are you in a position of the i a, a to work out way in advance the breakout time for the iranians to be able to produce nuclear. what a fuel is it is i'm not 12 years. months is not a long time. but again, let me reiterate to them, because then what i say can be me center students, and i think we are here to provide, try to confuse people. one thing is to have these material, having the material ready, it's a huge step. but then the other things that they would, you know, hypothetical world where they would decide to go down the wrote that they would have to fulfill the, you know, the to get to get

a nuclear weapons. but it would be an extremely concerning step, an extremely concerning step. let's move to another subject, which is north korea. why does it extend now in terms of it's capable, it's korea is the mirror of what we need to avoid indication of your rock. because korea, we'd korea, if you want that nitro, that peta because, i mean, it's useful for people to understand the case of good yet. we have like what we're having with yeah, we have long processes. we have incentives, we even had an, a smart international organization. kito that was created to channel assistance to north korea, which was considered for, for people for sure. no good technology, civilian nuclear technology in the understanding that this. ready would appease the desire of the most korean government to. ready to go in that way and as a result of that, the i e was inspecting, and then they were there were caught red handed. so they decided to throw

everything, you know, i window and, and we are what we are. so today, go back to me that the question of the d b a k has an important nuclear arsenal to test it, they test it 6 times. there's indications that they might be preparing another test, but actually they have an operational and relatively reliable nuclear arsenal. they have to be filed, the bodies take nissan capabilities to put these water hits on a make this a nuclear, a cup of any d operation of the and i real and to reopen it. and on top of that, i think what has about cedar that they have been without any external contact or relationship when he comes to today's for, for a very long time. i mean the last time i yeah. and i used specter was there was in 2009. exactly. right. so it's

a long time and i hope there could be at some point summary engagement with them. oh, although one must say it will be a different kind of free engagement. and we would have to see other which conditions, but this is a matter for the countries for states to they would be a negotiation. and that depends on the wider bodycote considerations that would have to apply. they've been expanding the uranium enrichment at young beyond facility. and for the time being is supplied images are the only source that you how to try to establish what is happening on the glass. yeah. but that allows us to, to have a very, very good impression of what happens that don't forget that we were there before. and we know the type of facilities they have. so these allows our experts to compute remodeling and calculations to have a very, very adequate and impression of what they have the amounts and the activities there. and of course,

these are signature that you can see through satellite imagery when you look up the page. so the tests that they have conducted, particularly comes with a variety of balance that occurs besides, they say, they says this is bad question for the national sovereignty. and to come to any us, particularly from the, uh, the usa and is like, do you have any concerns that we moving towards a collision course between north korea or us? this is a wider issue and, and, and it'd be beyond the task of the mistake. mm. hm about what is relevant to disregard is that these nuclear capability of exists the company projected so that makes it a real. ready factor that needs to be considered as a real factor. there's been many of uses by the us to trying to cub north korea's nuclear program. some of those resolutions, but lots particularly by russia and china is there's something that could undermine your efforts in the near future. so try to why i'd say what i was right. what i

would say is that the alteration of the dynamics. ready of in the united nations security council, particular amount of the 5 permanent members of the security council affects any activity in this area. because from the moment you have disagreements among themselves, perhaps a cost by external situations that may have to do with other geostrategic theaters. then of course, without the need me to any point that way. and this applies to you around and everything else. the unanimity of the 5 permanent members of the united nations security council. it is absolutely indispensable to sustain the nonproliferation regime. if there are cracks in that area, then it is going to be very, very difficult for, for me as a guarantor of the integrity of the mpg to do my job. another area which is

on your radar screen, ukraine, which you have visited many times the $1022.00. there's been administer activity near the nuclear power plant. and is this a major safety concern for you? what it is, in the sense that now we have talking, you're mentioning a new cup, our plan, which is within the gradient control territory. not talking about separate asian over about guns, which is enough to help you by territory. so here that has. ready and we have been repeating that nothing should be done that might affect the integrity and the safety of a nuclear power plant. in this case, it has to do mainly with the power lines that feed the, this new cap, our station that which forest or made the ukrainian regulator to order a decrease in the capacity of that for safety. precautionary mentioned,

but of course everything that has to do with a nuclear power plant for us, whatever it is, he's about to are concerned subsidies. yeah, that's never forget is on the front. so is as exposed as can be then. so until the conflict enters a new face, whichever. busy whichever way you define a new face before that song has various military activity and then safety will not be guaranteed when you travel as well, to convince people of a need to prevent proliferation of nuclear weapons, a nuclear activities, what would be run? so to people who would say the nuclear weapons of an issue of national pride, if the of the others have it, we should also help at a time. so increased international attention sadly. but it's a reality in certain parts of the world, certain regions,

the appeal of nuclear weapons as increased. this is have a negative thing. we would like the width is to decrease and eventually once they disappear, i'm so concerned when i see an open discussion about these countries, important countries regional powers that are up to now in very good standing with their obligations visa media, d simple english, abstaining from getting nuclear weapons, although they could happen if they so decided, what are some of them are say, what if, for example, the situation ended the least if the separately for ation case in the middle east and i need a country, iraq for example, gets a new grow up and then we will have to reconsider and perhaps the moment we had

come, we'd have come to say that we need them to and the, the, the, the probably need the complete and problem of the new care nonproliferation regime, which the optional has been serving us pretty well, it's very, very high. there's also concern about about plants which generate power for, for po, disability and purposes. do you think of this particular because a small and wanted to react to as well as of yet still in the design and development stage could be the alternative that could be conducive to a long protracted phase of a of piece. and the question is, is, is very relevant because many people asked me sometimes. yeah, you don't all these ideas, promise hospice, small motors or reactors cheaper, easier to deploy, shorter construction times, etc. so this is going to be very appealing for many countries in developing worlds

. maybe countries that do not have the institutional, regulatory capacity, etc, to the and my answer to that is very clear. the idea would always be there. there's no, there's the cypress dvd that a country which is within the international order. he's going to have a nuclear power plant and simply operated, you know, without us being there to expect profit and money. and we'll go say direct to the general, the international atomic energy agency. thank you very much into football controls as you are with the to and you know, make meltdowns administrative disasters, political divisions and now is rails invasion 11 and for survived on the toilet. the civil society, as citizens that stepped in to provide with the states has found thinking both are

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