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hello and welcome to the program on elizabeth put on us president. donald trump says america should take live a raise to the ground and then read, develop gaza. he's also read raise at a proposal to forcibly displace $2300000.00 palestinians to neighboring egypt and jordan. the president made these and all the controversial comments during the joint news conference of the watch house, where he was hosting his way, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, his remarks of being described as dangerous, irresponsible, absurd, and tend to mount ethnic cleansing. so is this off the call bloss the design to grab headlines that attention? what is trump believe his plans realistic and work of this? leave his administration's push for the normalization of relations between israel and sell the rapier when examined these questions will i guess for the moment, but 1st this report by michael apple. do us will take over the gaza strip and we will do a job with the 2 without and, and with those woods,

this made us president donald trump, up in the decades of foreign policy, potentially relegating the 2 state solution to the history books. as comments made, while hosting is riley prime minister benjamin netanyahu at the white house provoked wide spread condemnation from allies and critics alike. but the president forged ahead, clarifying, repeatedly what he meant. everybody had spoken to loves as the idea of the united states, phoning that piece of land developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent. trump is made it clear. he wants to resettle 2300000 pallets, meaning either in neighboring countries or abroad. a suggestion that's been select the reject. how did you get a clear answer, joe? them gave a clear answer on the other side of rejecting displacing the palestinian people from the gods us through. still

a trump is confident you can get them. and other countries that have dismissed the relocation of the people of gaza. right to come around. well, i don't think they're going to tell me now. even the force displacement is prohibited on the international humanitarian. oh, it's still really quite shocking that he basically views this issue to a real estate, love jesus. and in those tubs, i think it's a completely outlined brush idea, frankly, one that is completely impractical, as well as morally on acceptable. his announcements received with shock around the world, not least of all in gaza and the got the bottom. and it was on the us things that foster you can't kick us out under the pretext of rebuilding america. health is all destroyed cause or in the 1st place. you can say we have to leave fee to rebuild a region still reeling from 15 months of his rails war is on the brink of turmoil

once again. the gaza is a hell hole right now. it was before the bombing started, frankly, and president, trump 6 ation with the palestinian territories, isn't over yet. thank you all very much. thanks. promise to announce washington's position on is really ambitions to annex the occupied waste bank within a month, month level. els is there a fully inside store? well that spring and i guess in tennessee is a long pain cause the phone is raining. bassett, a console general of israel's in new york in amman is yeah. why the non in economist and former jordanian foreign minister and in washington dc is matthew josh, the executive vice president at the center of international policy and a specialist on us and literally 6 years a very well and welcome to all of you. not to let me start with you in washington

dc. why does donald trump want the us to take over casa? and how serious do you think he is? i mean, that's always the question of how serious he is. sometimes he has these flights of fancy, he picks up ideas from various sources. i think this particular idea of the us moving the palestinians out expelling them. let's use that term. that's in fact what it is and re developing gaza, apparently originated with jared cushion or his son in law. almost a year ago at a speaker series at harvard university, which was reported at the time seen as outland extends. but unfortunately, very much in keeping with the way that donald trump sees pretty much everything as a money making opportunity. but having said that, we absolutely should not down player dismissed the gravity of what trump propose yesterday he has made the policy of the united states a crime against humanity. and that's how we need to understand. this is all why of matthew says we shouldn't down play it. and in fact, what we're talking about here when donald trump says the us with own gaza, and when asked if american troops would be involved in the takeover, he said,

we'll do what's necessary, legally speaking. what is he talking about here? an occupation? i think he's going to force the arms of both the egypt and jordan festival, have to accept the influx. so, but if you choose from guys into both the respected countries and secondly has to force the but it stands them subsidies. they have been jumped into that all within government during the war. for 15 months of this lady tools made no more made every effort to make sure that they were moving on to me was the inside guessing. so i put the yeah, we stand the movement inside the gazda leaves many areas open like then off. why did we kind of do that? the piece i really dumped on this and, and uh, obviously the cnn which president, uh, uh, tom pads presented uh aside, um,

and you cannot make one with financial the boston one. and the other one is uh to connect to to diffuse the bombs, which have been left unexploded. uh, i think probably he was the few. so the problem is the anyhow, that's such a, such a cache of the bombs may end up in the hands of homeless. so any way, you know, these are not the reasons the reason i'd be pleased as i shall not be enough to actually go to vince depot introduced to the their own country just to become a haven for other people. and just go ahead and, and i will certainly do it from the palestinians who have no interest in this. even when he 1st suggested that egypt and jordan should take palestinians from gaza as he pointed along the palestinians on to interested egypt. and jordan couldn't have made it more clear that this is

a non stop delta for them. prominence and method yahoo seemed to be going along with the idea of how is it being viewed and israel. oh no one knows what to make of it in his real mom is this because, you know, everyone knows by now the trunk business goes, the cliche is unpredictable and transactional and, and you never know if he means this and it will see this through is a policy will, trump is an agent of payoffs. this is what agents of chaos to be saw this, this chord on certainty, on predictability, confusion of the sanctuary. everyone with ideas, some feasible, some half feasible, and some not feasible at all. now you can look at it from a practical point of view and shoot it down and say ok. the u. s. has no legal authority to do this, the us doesn't. i'm just not going to invest the financing logistics. to do this. the us cannot politically deal with the situation on which 2300000 policies. let's

say half of them say no, we're not going to go and weigh the us, can't really force egypt and jordan to accept them. um and so any, any way you look at it, it's a very impractical idea, but there's another way. and that is to try and we can criticize him and get right . his ideas only we want said something very simple, something that's very common sensical. he said, gaza is uninhabited, or, and in order to rebuild cousins, there's no reconstruction. there's, there, there has to be a complete bottoms up rebuilding. that's going to take 15 to 20 years. and that's going to take tens of billions of dollars in order to achieve that. he's thinking like you know the realtor, jim chief, not the comment or to you if you need to. uh, most people out how to do this. he doesn't care, he's details reverse. and you know, going back to work maps, i said earlier, yeah. if you tell him that this is a violation of international law, this is of

a war crime that this is not down, this should, oh, he's going to thank you for the compliment. he doesn't care about the state he sees . he's active on, you know, 1st he's, he buys a green light and then he on next is kind of then he calls the gulf of mexico, the golf of america. and he wants to seize the panama canal. now he wants to, uh, um, take guys. yeah. i mean yeah, you can build them are uh guys, uh a golf course. um, but that's not, that's not very practical. now, one last thing. if you notice, you know, we're all taken in israel. a not, not just, not just the 4 of us were all taken. you know, with a, an elephant called out relocating 2300000 bouncing let's look at the 3 things that were not there yesterday. elizabeth, why don't she said nothing about the continuation of the seas on your own face too

. and you would think that in order to promote his idea, however, in practical 30 has to be a ceasefire continuous cease fire and a face to be agreement. so i can be, he did not mention the so called saudi normalization, a kind of a charts or stick depends who he's talking to. and 3rd, uh, he mentioned uh nothing about it, ron. he did sign pick an executive order, imposing new sanctions on iraq. but that signal was more, an attempt to him gauge around for a new deal, rather than engaging. right? yeah. and there's as much the, like, the bigger issue is between these 2 countries between the us and israel, when it comes to the policy in the region that's talk more about some of those things. matt, to stage 3 of the sci fi is supposed to see a 3 to 5 year plan for the reconstruction of gaza. donald trump seems to be saying, we'll take over that. we'll do the reconstruction. we'll get rid of the palestinians. and you know, will make it a wonderful,

livable place. palestinians have no desire to leave goss. uh, what do you make of these 2 men standing up there talking about what should happen to palestinians? i mean, what i think is unfortunately, i think there's a great amount of continuity in an american president and it is barely prime minister standing together and determining the future of the palestinian people that has on that unfortunately only reflects what american policy has largely been for decades and it's part of why that solid policy has continually failed. i'll also say that, you know, if you leave out the expulsion of the palestinians from gaza, the united states investing in the redevelopment of gaza, i think could be a great idea. obviously it's complex, as alonda said, the, the, the continuation of the ceasefire is absolutely key for that to occur. i think everyone should be realistic about how much time that will take the clearing of the rubble itself will take a number of years. but again,

trying to see the bright side, and i know that might seem strange to people right now. but the idea of the united states investing in the redevelopment of gaza, which is, you know, in its best as an absolutely beautiful territory. i think it could be a good idea, but again, not if you propose to remove the people who actually lived there, of course not as it involves ethnic cleansing. john donald trump has said that he's spoken to regional leaders and they support the idea. he said everyone on i've spoken to loves the idea of the united states owning that piece of land. who are these leaders? he's talking about to be honest with you, i really have no idea about the talk to, you know, we know there's sort of a very busy, i've talked to you talk to solve that and be a being dumped all of joel done. the presidency seemed egypt to resolve. believe that there's yeah, i, i remember you have talked to. so i know where he's probably saying that. but none

of the decisions or pronouncements made by those 3 leaders really because anything close to what the set that they all happy. uh if uh i would like to comment on something matthew has just said that the guys that is a very promising via the state piece of land. yes, i agree with that. they have to a point 3000000 people full of us. very good. and us labor in the us is uh it could, it could be the whole gong that's for sure of that should be with the people inside that left outside of it. because for the, for the construction to take place. i think if it has to be in many instances enabled and tested before, which requires lots of people about, i don't know, you can obviously even it doesn't sound correct if you send the huge but it goes

with people outside and then that there isn't no opportunity or not trust for that they would come back on the reason i don't think that he mentioned any guarantees about people coming back, even if little some of them outside, for humanitarian beth of this uh it to be, to be honest with you. it is completely a big deal was on the part of mine. oh, in fact somebody actually said that they should us special abroad permanently that they haven't done so in the past because there's be no senators and what he is suggesting are alternatives alone. if we talk about the many reasons egypt and jordan has have given for not taking in palestinians from gaza, one of the many reasons egypt has given is that, you know, they've set in the past that taking large numbers of palestinians from gaza. what do you mean? jeopardize the 1979 piece tracy, that egypt has with israel,

that taking in such people would be a national security threat for egypt. what israel be willing to jeopardize this piece, tracy with egypt. do you think the idea is based? um that proved that if there is a you can consent, then the 1979 peace accords will be amended according to but we're not, we're not there yet. look, it would make much more sense if, if you take the, the, the real part of the real estate approach to foreign policy is trump. often on hub, it usually does. and you say ok in order to rebuild guys of the story, money capacity, money aren't americans, and you need to evacuate temporarily to say 5 to 7 years, maybe 10 um a 1000000 and a half people, not the entire 2300000. so a 1000000 population and then the most logical thing to do if you still believe in

that you're only palestinian co habitation, i don't even want to call it piece cohabitation. then the thing to do would be the one test that money in building $3.00 or 4 and a half a 1000000 large cities in the west bank rather than a 10 city in the middle of the sign on the desert, where the temperature is 43 degrees on a nice day, but no one's talking about the west bank, certainly not mr. and it's on now. so this whole, you know, it all figures into the, his, his bluster and, you know, there's, there's just a clinics in sick called the, the baseline. it has the shortest lives span of the old creatures 18 out to 19 and 20 out. that's these. these are trumps statements. you know you way to be patients will stop by selecting this 48 hours. he's going to go back to talk about the f b i illegal integration, greenland, or taiwan for that right? for the light. the show once again alone is because when he 1st talked about egypt

and jordan, you know, on a false one, we were wondering, are these off the cuff remarks. now he actually read pre prepared statements and we've got, you know, as matthew said, this is something that his son in law, jad cushion assess bull shop, you know, read, developing gaza a year ago, matthew, given and you know, one of the major reasons for the ongoing conflict is the occupation is the full displacement of generations of palestinians. why do you think trump thinks that more occupation? i move full displacement is beyond. i mean, i don't know how deeply trump thinks about this. i don't want to try and get a side his head. it's clearly a very scary place. i think he just sees the idea of, of, of the development deal, of which he and his companies will clearly get a taste. and that's attractive to him. i think he's talked to certain people who are close to them who clearly takes

a very hard line right wing of you with that he shared with the right wing factions in israel. and i think he's just and, and again, i think what he heard from, from jared cushion or make some sense to him because it's all through this lens of real estate development that can make him a lot of money. i don't know that it's that it's more complex than that. i also want to agree with what alone said, the fact that the reaction to this has been so so vigorous, the rejection of this, the condemnation, trump does find that attractive. he is, he is, you know, to give him his due. he is a clever manipulator of media. so this kind of reaction, i think the lights and, and it's also worth asking, what else are we talking about? the trump is up to. um, while we're all focusing on this, even though i do think it is very important to focus on this. yeah, some of the things that we're not talking about alone has already mentioned alon, when matthew talks about, you know, try him getting his cues from the far right. not just in his administration,

but also the is really far right. i mean, he is on the same page as them. they won't be expulsion of palestinians from gaza from the occupied west back. but what do alter nationalist in israel? how do they feel about donald trump suggesting that it's the us who should take over gaza and not to the is really so should resettle that? honest, that's a great question because honestly they don't know what to make or, and i, i've been cautioning people on the left and on and brought it in last 2 weeks. not, not to take up mr. trump, at his word, you know, there was this delirium amongst the right wang, for the mfc on a nationalistic, ultra nationalistic right wing lunatics initial when trump was elected. and then a few days later, there was this, this elation and jubilation. and once the liberal democratic, less than that, you all know can trump, he's going to pressure and it's on, you know,

in the items. elizabeth, i don't think he cares about the cost in use. i don't think he cares about the guy's history. he's got much bigger issues from ukraine to taiwan, to relations with china, which will be just more in policy. the bigger issue is in his mind, more domestic. he is, i'm doing alliances. he is disrupting a world order. he's pulling around. and i think we all should take a deep breath and then wait to see how this all develops in the next several months because he can run out of energy and fuel with these bombastic ideas. so he's slowing around, you know, i would like to say, i don't know how much, i don't know how much he cares about ukraine or taiwan either is y'all had one thing that he seemed to have kid and a lot about. is this trying to broker his star at normalization agreement between as well and saudi arabia? do you think that he is jeopardizing that by pushing for something that saudi arabia has maintained?

is not acceptable to them normalization with as well so long as they don't see a pathway to a palestinian state. well, i'd be listening to ben has a very careful that i think go with his id is invest of time to ya. so much share. so in here on the contradictory that the government says most of them have most of them of not do of in and out of the country without extending julius to the for his own purposes as well. so anyway, i think that by mid to be a do, but i just have to be it facing compounding problems that's you probably kind of deal with i, i really as an economist, so i've been following is a comic field is about his tax is about his. ready subsidies and so on. it seems to me that to nothing has been up to the test in various terms and most

and many economists inside the united states. so, i mean, i'd be pointing the finger at this policy is that these are not going to work. matthew, let me put that question too. yeah, i just wanna bring matthew into that question is, what if she seems to do a lot of things? where would you put his emphasis, where it would be, find a conference on that you can put all these heavy words behind in order to succeed somewhere. and that is what this getting me to be honest with you, because i think he's not going to do it to, to succeed. but china is not going to succeed very much with russia. and probably his economic policy is all his policy is a lot of exposure, lowering the price. so there is okay, one point inside that. so yeah, so we don't have very long the been about 4 minutes. so i do want to bring the focus on us. i just wanted to meet with me before it goes back to the middle east. matthew, let me put the same question to you. conference mohammed vince on mon told trump on

a phone call that he wants to invest $600000000.00 into us over the next 4 years. does solve the hold, any cods he had given that trump wants to normalize sally to normalize relations with as well. yeah, i think so, you really holds a very key card here. i think that that number of 600000000 dollars in investment is test the go button. but i think that suggested 100 in selma knows his audience when he dangles this, this amount in front of donald trump. but we all know that donald trump and he said repeatedly, wants a nobel peace prize. one of the past of that price would be getting, you know, and is really the saudi a piece of normalization deal. and i think, you know, the saudis and my live in solomon, while he personally doesn't really care that much for the palestinians or about the palestinians. i think he understands that many in his concrete in the region do and that for his own political sake, he cannot sign of such an agreement. certainly while there's ongoing atrocities,

certainly in the midst of the kind of ethnic cleansing that trump is, has proposed, but also in the absence now of penny past the palestinian liberation. so i guess the question is it will, will that price stay as it is? i mean, the saudis have repeatedly made it clear and did so last night i would say at 4 am local time. i'm sorry for ministry. so i necessary to put out a statement reiterate reiterating his position. yeah, absolutely. that would be very flipped to refute what they had out of the white house along is, is normalization with saudi arabia, something that really drives as well. is it something that they're willing to give up? the other goals, whether it's in the occupied westbank ogazio for no, it's been used by uh mr. nitch anyhow, cynically throughout the years to try and prove his point that the, the, the, the core of the conflict in the middle east is not the pal cnn issue. and the israel can, in fact, really to agreements with the entire world without dealing seriously with

a policy and issue. so he dangled down in front of the as early on the 4th. but there is a i'm, there is a chronological for life. during the, the, by the ministration of leading to and including the 6th of october, 2023. there was talk about a, a, they call that the time a uh try out or try lateral deal. um us. so what are you ready to issue us as to what are you ready? be on site and a new tool defense and, and like huge, humongous arms deal and even nuclear um, fuel sites. an exchange, saudi arabia with normalize relations with israel, and the 2 and the 3, i'm sorry, will work on treating. i'm anti around sunni is early college. i was skeptical of that at the time. but you know, they did, the bibles ministrations, did a probing exam, then came over 7. but before that,

it's important to remember that saudi arabia and renewed diplomatic ties with iran. bye. have a good to pull magic services of china. uh, the stories have uh, with the oh i side with the uh um, a severe uh, weakening of of, of, uh, iran, proxies, sonia radio stature in the region has region. and now because of what is that happens? uh since october 7th, i think the soldiers will not accept. i think they can't get into their head. i don't think they will accept some kind of a wing. be all right, we'll do, we'll do it. probably. we'll do a token, power speed, you know, it is very different from the radio to since not just since october 7th, also since the last time that trump was present. presidents gentlemen, i'm afraid that we've run out of time, but thank you to all 3 of you for this very interesting discussion that is along pen costs and television a lot and non in mind and matthew dos in washington,

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t a dot q a the . ready um the service is in use our own algae, 040 bye to go live into coming up in the next 60 minutes. the president is committed to rebuilding gaza and to temporarily relocating those who are there. because as i've showed you repeatedly, it is a demolition site. the white house is the us president spine to relocate palestinians from guys that would be temporary, not permanent, as donald trump suggested.