time traverse the globe to shed light on this really exports with the 1st tested on palestinians is relative filling model of the way to separate and control on ones that populations the palestine. the bar 3 parts to adjust the uta was donald trump. so obsessed to the casa, the us presidents proposes taking over the stress and relocation palestinians, a violation of international law at best, and a quote for ethnic cleansing it was, but who can stop tom's plan? this is the inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on us president donald trump says america should take live a raise to the ground and then read, develop gaza. he's also regional res. at

a proposal to forcibly displace 2300000 palestinians to neighboring egypt and jordan, the president made these and all the controversial comments during a joint news conference at the watch house, where he was hosting his way, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu. his remarks of being described as dangerous, irresponsible, absurd, and tend to mount to ethnic cleansing. so is this off the call polasta designed to grab headlines and attention? what is trump believe his plans realistic and work of this leave his administration's push for the normalization of relations between israel and saudi arabia. when examined these questions, but i guess for the moment, but 1st this report by my collab will do us will take over the gaza strip and we will do a job with the to will own it. and with those woods, us president donald trump, up ended decades of foreign policy, potentially relegating the 2 state solution to the history books. is comments

made while hosting is riley prime minister. benjamin netanyahu at the white house provoked wide spread condemnation from allies and critics alike. but the president forged ahead, clarifying repeatedly what he meant. everybody have spoken to loves the idea of the united states, phoning that piece of land developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent. trump is made it clear. he wants to resettle 2300000 pellets, meaning either in neighboring countries or abroad. a suggestion that's been select you reject. how did you get a clear answer, joe? them gave a clear answer and the answer rejecting displacing the palestinian people from the gods as 3. still a trump is confident so you can get them. and other countries that have dismissed the relocation of the people of gaza to come around. well,

i don't think they're going to tell me now. even though force displacement is prohibited under international humanitarian. oh, it's still really quite shocking that he basically views this issue to a real estate, love jesus. and in those tubs, i think it's a completely outlined bush idea, frankly, one that is completely impractical, as well as morally on acceptable. his announcements received with shock around the world, not least of all in gauze and the got the bottom. and it was on the us things that foster yukon kicked us out under the pretext of rebuilding america. health is all destroyed garza in the 1st place, yukon, said we have to leave fee to rebuild a region still reeling from 15 months of his rails war is on the brink of turmoil once again. guys is a hell hole right now. it was before the bombing started, frankly, and president, trump 6 ation with the palestinian territories,

isn't over yet. thank you all very much. thanks. promise to announce washington's position on is really ambitions to annex the occupied waste bank within a month. mike level l g 0, pulling the side store. well that spring and i guess in kind of a is a long pinkish. the phone is raining. bassett, a and console general. of israel's in new york in amman is yeah. why the non in economist and former jordanian foreign minister and in washington dc is matthew josh, the executive vice president at the center of international policy and a specialist on us and literally security a very well welcome to all of you. not sure, let me start with you in washington dc. why does donald trump want the us to take a look at the house? and how serious do you think he is? i mean, that's always the question of how serious he is. sometimes he has these flights of

fancy, he picks up ideas from various sources. i think this particular idea of the us moving the palestinians out expelling them. let's use that term. that's in fact what it is and re developing gaza, apparently originated with jerry cushion or his son in law almost a year ago at a speaker series at harvard university, which was reported at the time scene is outland expense. but unfortunately, very much in keeping with the way that donald trump sees pretty much everything as a money making opportunity. but having said that, we absolutely should not down player dismissed the gravity of what trump propose yesterday he has made the policy of the united states a crime against humanity. and that's how we need to understand this show of matthew says we shouldn't down play it. and in fact, what we're talking about here when donald trump says the us will own gaza. and when asked if american troops would be involved in the takeover, he said, we'll do what's necessary, legally speaking. what is he talking about here? an occupation? i think he's going to force the arms of bar for egypt and you'll do 1st of all to

accept the influx. so, but if you choose from guys out into both the respective countries and secondly, has to force the but it stands them subsidies. they have been jumped into that on within government during the war for 15 months and there's lady to choose may have no more made every effort to make sure that they were moving on to me. what's the inside guessing? so like with the yeah, we stand the movement inside the gazda leaves many areas open like then off. why did we kind of do that piece? i really dumped on this and, and obviously the cnn which president, uh, uh, tom has presented as either uh, they can amik one or financially boston one. and the other one is uh to connect to diffuse the bombs, which have been left unexploded. uh,

i think probably he was the fuse of the prime minister for nothing. yeah. oh, that's such a such a cache of the bombs may end up in the hands of homeless. so any way you know, these are not the reasons for reason. i'd be pleased as i shouldn't have enough to actually convince people to leave, to the their own country just to become a haven for other people and the land taylor. and i will certainly do it from the palestinians who have no interest in this. even when he 1st suggested that egypt and jordan should take palestinians from gaza, as he pointed along the palestinians on to interested egypt and jordan, couldn't have made it more clear that this is a non stop for them, prominence and method. yahoo seem to be going along with the idea. how is it being viewed in israel at all?

no one knows what to make of it in his real mom. and this is this because, you know, everyone knows by now that trump is as goes, the cliche is unpredictable and transactional and you never know if he means this and it will see this through is a policy will trump is an agent of chaos. this is what agents of chaos to be saw this, this chord on certainty, on predictability confusion that they saturate everyone with ideas, some feasible, some have feasible, and some not feasible at all. now you can look at it from a practical point of view and shoot it down and say ok. the us has no legal authority to do this. the us doesn't. i'm just not going to invest the finances and logistics to do this. the us cannot politically deal with the situation on which 2300000 policies, let's say half of say no, we're not going to go in the way the us can't really force egypt and jordan to

accept them. um and so any, any way you look at it, it's a very impractical id. but there's another way to and that is to try him. um, we can criticize him and get right. his ideas only we want said something very simple, something that's very common sensical. he said, gaza is in the habit of and in order to rebuild cousins, there's no reconstruction. there's the there has to be a complete bottoms up rebuilding. that's going to take 15 to 20 years. and that's going to take tens of billions of dollars in order to achieve that. he's thinking like, you know the realtor in chief, not the comment or 2 if you need to. uh, most people out how to do this. he doesn't care, he's details reverse and you know, going back to work maps. i said earlier. yeah. if you tell him that this is a violation of international law, this is of a war crime that this is not on the should. oh, he's going to thank you for the compliment. he doesn't care about these things.

she's acting on, you know, 1st he's he buys a green light and then he and next just kind of then he calls the gulf of mexico, the golf of america. and he wants to seize the panama canal. now he wants to, uh, um, take guys. yeah. i mean, yeah, you can build them are uh guys, uh a golf course. um, but that's not, that's not very practical. now, one last thing, if you noticed, you know, we're all taken in israel a not, not just, not just the for us, we're all taken, you know, with a offense call. now relocating 2300000 bouncing let's look at the 3 things that were not there yesterday. elizabeth, why don't? she said nothing about the continuation of the seas on your own face too. and you would think that in order to promote his idea, however, in practical 30 has to be the ceasefire continuous cease fire and

a face to the agreement. so i can be, he did not mention the so called saudi norman lice ation a kind of a charts or stick. depends who he's talking to. i'm 3rd, he mentioned nothing about it, ron. he did sign an executive order, imposing new sanctions on iraq. but that signal was more, an attempt to him gauge are on for a new deal, rather than in gauging. right? yeah. and there is as the, like, the bigger issue is that between these 2 countries between the us and israel, when it comes to the policy in the region, that's talk more about some of those things. matt, to stage 3 of the sci fi is supposed to see a 3 to 5 year plan for the reconstruction of gaza. donald trump seems to be saying, we'll take over that. we'll do the reconstruction. we'll get rid of the palestinians. and you know, will make it a wonderful livable place. palestinians have no desire to leave gaza. what do you make of these 2 men standing up there talking about what should happen to

palestinians? i mean, what i think is unfortunately, i think there's a great amount of continuity in an american president and it is fairly prime minister standing together and determining the future of the palestinian people that has on that unfortunately, reflects what american policy has largely been for decades and it's part of why that solid policy has continually failed. i'll also say, you know, if you leave out the expulsion of the palestinians from garza, the united states investing in the redevelopment of gaza, i think could be a great idea. obviously it's complex. as alonda said, the, the, the continuation of the ceasefire is absolutely key for that to occur. i think everyone should be realistic about how much time that will take the clearing of the rubble itself will take a number of years. but again, trying to see the bright side, and i know that might seem strange to people right now. but the idea of the united states investing in the redevelopment of gaza, which is, you know,

in its best days and absolutely beautiful territory. i think it could be a good idea, but again, not if you propose to remove the people who actually lived there, of course not as it involves ethnic cleansing. john donald trump has said that he's spoken to regional leaders and they support the idea. he said everyone on i've spoken to loves the idea of the united states owning that piece of land. who are these leaders? he's talking about to be honest with you, i really have no idea about the talk to, you know, we know there's sort of a very busy, i've talked to you talk to solve that and be a being dumped. all of jo done, the presidency, seemed egypt to vsoft, believe that there's yeah, i, i remember you have talked to, so i know where he's probably saying that, but none of the decisions or pronounced must made by those theaters feeling because anything close to what he said that they are happy if uh i would like

to comment on something matthew has just said that the guys that is a very promising via the state piece of land. yes, i agree with that. they have to a point 3000000 people full of us. very good and us labor in the us is uh it could, it could be the whole gong that's for sure of that should be with the people inside that left outside of it. because for the, for the construction to take place. i think if it has to be in many instances, a deliberate and festival, which requires lots to people about, i don't know if your mom is that you're going to doesn't sound correct. that you send the huge, but it goes us and with people outside and then that there isn't no opportunity or no trust for that. they would come back on the reason i don't

think that he mentioned any guarantees about people coming back. even if little some of them outside, for humanitarian purposes, it to be, to be honest with you, it is completely a big it was a part of mine. no. in fact. and you actually said that they should us special abroad permanently that they haven't done so in the past because there's be no tentative and what he is suggesting are alternatives alone. if we talk about the many reasons egypt and jordan has have given for not taking in palestinians from gaza, one of the many reasons egypt has given is that, you know, they've said in the past that taking large numbers of palestinians from gaza would even jeopardize the 1979 piece tracy, that egypt has with as well, that taking in such people would be a national security threat for egypt. what israel be willing to jeopardize this piece, tracy with egypt. do you think the idea is based?

um that proved that this there is a eviction consent than the 1979 peace accords will be amended accordingly to but we're not, we're not there. you look, it would make much more sense if, if you take the, the real part of the real estate approach to foreign policy is trump offering and hope that you really does. and you say ok in order to rebuild guys of the story, money, capacity, money, farm, americans and you need to evacuate temporarily for say, 5 to 7 years, maybe. and i'm a 1000000 and a half people, not the entire 2300000. so a 1000000 population and then the most logical thing to do if you still believe in that you're only palestinian co habitation, i don't even want to call it piece cohabitation. then the thing to do would be the one test that money in building $3.00 or 4 and a half

a 1000000 large cities in the west bank rather than a 10 city in the middle of the sign on the desert where the temperature is 43 degrees on a nice day, but no one's talking about the west bank, certainly not mr. and it's on now. so this whole, you know, it all fingers into the, his his bluster and, you know, there's, there's just a clinics in sick call the, the main line. it has the shortest lives span of the old creatures, 18 hours to 19 and 20 hours. that's these. these are trumps statements. you know, you way to be. patients will stop by selecting this and 48 hours. he's going to go back to talk about the f b i illegal integration, greenland, or taiwan for that right? for the light. the show once again alone is because when he 1st talked about egypt and jordan, you know, on a false one, we were wondering, are these off the cuff remarks. now he actually read pre prepared statements and

we've got, you know, as matthew said, this is something that his son in law, jad cushion assess blue shop. you know, we developing gaza a year ago, matthew give and you know, one of the major reasons for the ongoing conflict is the occupation is the full displacement of generations of palestinians. why do you think trump thinks that more occupation and more full displacement is the answer. i mean, i don't know how deeply trump thinks about this. i don't want to try and get a side his head. it's clearly a very scary place. i think he just sees the idea of, of, of the development deal, of which he and his companies will clearly get a taste. and that's attractive to him. i think he's talked to certain people who are close to them who clearly takes a very hard line, right. wing of you with that he shared with the the right wing infections in israel . and i think he's just and again, i think what he heard from from jared cushion or make some sense to him because

it's all through this lens of real estate development that can make him a lot of money. i don't know that it's that it's more complex than that. i also want to agree with what alone said, the fact that the reaction to this has been so so vigorous, the rejection of bist a condemnation. trump does find that attractive. he is. he is, you know, to give him his due. he is a clever manipulator of media. and so this kind of reaction, i think the lights and, and it's also worth asking, what else are we talking about? the trump is up to. um, while we're all focusing on this, even though i do think it is very important to focus on this. yeah, some of the things that we're not talking about alone has already mentioned alon, when matthew talks about, you know, try him getting his cues from the far right. not just in his administration, but also the is really far right. i mean, he is on the same page as them. they won't be expulsion of palestinians from gaza from the occupied west bag. but what do alton nationalist in israel?

how do they feel about donald trump suggesting that it's the us who should take over gaza and not to the israelis who should resettle that? honest, that's a great question because honestly they don't know what to make or, and i, i've been cautioning people on the left and on and brought it in last 2 weeks. not, not to take mr. trump at his word. you know, there was this delirium amongst the right wing, the mfc on a nationalistic, ultra nationalistic right wing lunatics initial when trump was elected. and then a few days later, there was this, this elation and jubilation amongst the liberal democratic. less than the jump. all look at trump, he's going to pressure and that's on, you know, in the, i'm the elizabeth. i don't think he cares about the accounts. the news. i don't think he cares about the gods a street. he's got much bigger issues from ukraine to taiwan,

to relations with china. we're probably just more policies. the bigger issue is in his mind. more domestic. he is. i'm doing alliances. he is disrupting a world order. he's going around. and i think we all should take a deep breath and then wait to see how this all develops in the next several months because he can run out of energy and fuel with these bombastic ideas. so he slowly interrupt, you know, i always like to say, i don't know how much, i don't know how much he cares about ukraine or taiwan either. yeah. one thing that he seemed to have kid and last about is this trying to broker his star at mobilization agreement between as well. and saudi arabia. do you think that he is jeopardizing that by pushing for something that saudi arabia has maintained? is not acceptable to them and normalization with as well so long as they don't see a pathway to a palestinian state. well, i'd be listening to ben has really careful that i think go left his id is invest of

time. so much share. so and add on to the contradictory that the god feels most of them have most of them love do of in and out of the country without extending julius to the for his own purposes as well. so anyway, i think that by mid to be but i just have to be it facing compounding problems that you probably kind of deal with. i, i really, as an economist, so i've been following is the comic field is about his tax is about his, the subsidies and so on. it seems to me that to nothing has been up to the test and various terms and most and many comments inside the united states. so, i mean, i'd be pointing the finger at this policy is that these are not going to work. matthew, let me put that question too. yeah,

i just need to bring matthew engine that was shown is what if she seems to do the things where would you put his emphasis, where it would be find a conference on that you can put all of his heavy work behind in order to succeed somewhere and that is what this getting me to be honest with you, because i think he's not going to do it to, to succeed. but china is not going to succeed very much, was the russia and probably his economic policy is all the policies. lot of exposure, lowering the price. so there's okay one front inside the so yeah, we don't have very long lot of roy them about 4 minutes. so i do want to bring the focus on us. i do want you to meet with me before it goes back to the middle east. matthew, let me put the same question to you. confidence mohammad been so long told trump on a phone call that he wants to invest $600000000.00 in the us over the next 4 years . does solve the hold any cards he had given that trump wants to normalize sally to

normalize relations with as well? yeah, i think so. you really holds a very key card here. i think that that number of $600000000.00 in investment is and test the goals. but i think that suggested monitoring selma knows his audience when he dangles this, this amount in front of donald trump. but we all know that donald trump and he said repeatedly, wants a nobel peace prize. one of the past to that price would be getting, you know, one is really the somebody piece a normalization deal. and i think, you know, the saudis and might have been sounding while he personally doesn't really care that much for the palestinians or about the palestinians. i think he understands that many in his cock street in the region do. and that for his own political sake, he cannot sign of such an agreement. certainly while there's ongoing atrocities, certainly in the midst of the kind of ethnic cleansing that trump visit has proposed, but also in the absence. now a penny past the palestinian liberation. so i guess the question is will that price

stay as it is? i mean, the saudis have repeatedly made clear and did. so last night i would say at 4 am local time, the saw the foreign ministry so necessary to put out a statement related reiterating disposition. yeah, absolutely. that would be very flipped to refute what they had out of the wash house. along is, is normalization with saudi arabia, something that really drives as well. is it something that they're willing to give up? the other goals, whether it's some the occupied westbank, la garza for know, it's been used by uh mr. niche anyhow, cynically, throughout the years to try and prove his point that the, the, the, the, the core of the conflict in the middle east is not the pal cnn issue. and the israel can, in fact, reach agreements with the entire world without dealing seriously. with the past union issues, so he dangled down in front of the as early on the 4th. but there is a um, there is a chronological fault right during the, the,

by his ministration. a leading to um and including the 6th of october, 2023. there was talk about a uh they call that the time a try out or try a lateral deal. i'm us sort of, you ready to issue us. and so what are you ready? be on site and a new tool defense and like huge, humongous arms deal and even nuclear fuel site. an exchange, saudi arabia with normalize relations with israel and the 2 and the 3, i'm sorry, will work on treating m and t iran sunni's early college. i was skeptical of that at the time, but you know, they did, the bibles ministrations did a probing exam, then came over 7. but before that, it's important to remember that saudi arabia and renewed the diplomatic ties with

iran. bye. have a good to pull medic services of china the the saw these have uh with the oh i side with the a um, a severe a weakening of, of, of, uh iran proxies. so what are your radio stature in the region has region? and now because of what happens uh, since october 7th, i think the saudis will not accept. i think they can't get into their head. i don't think they will accept some kind of a wing the. all right, we'll do, we'll do it probably. we'll do a token, power speed, you know, it is a very different from the radio to since not just since october 7. also since the last time that trump was present. presidents gentlemen, i'm afraid that we've run out of time, but thank you to all 3 of you for this very interesting discussion that is a long pass and television. how about a 90 and i'm on and matthew doss in washington dc. and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website out of the com. i

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