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see from the minerals beneath the land team is navigate the age o tribal disputes. a buffet witness golden light on now to sierra the us presidents controversial proposals, ongoing global attention from taking on the gaza to a next in canada and greenland. donald trump. comments make headlines many every day. so what purpose does the strategy says and how should the world yet? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on us president donald trump has made headlines around the world since his return to the white house. he appears
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to relish any opportunity to upstage outrage and perhaps more importantly, controlled the media narrative. whether it's suggesting canada but kind of narrow because 55th state renaming the gulf of mexico or threatening of military takeover of greenland. trump is dominating international news. but the white house has had to woke back many of his statements with stuff scrambling for answers to a lot of inquiries. so can, from so ministration sustained, the break next speed of what she's announcing changes and initiatives, and one of the dangers and perpetuating this relentless shocking on media strategy with explore those questions and more in a moments that 1st this reports by michael apple. so i think we have a 10, we have a 10 stony trunk return to the white house. he's made one stop the lien statements after another. we're going to be
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changing the name of the gulf of mexico to the gulf of america. but what may appear to be absolute may him could be organized, towns and she went onto the truck to another time, an american football strategy called flooding. there's a local meet. so the don't know that i'm prefers to weakening the opposing team's defenses by swamping them with options. they simply don't know way to focus because there's only so much they can handle 1st so they're not particularly bright. they're not particularly hard working. so you can overwhelm the system quite easily against all enemies for us and domestic. steve bannon was the president's advisor during trumps. first to well been and hasn't returned to the white house off the he and trump fell out. it would appear. his strategy never left. the us presidents has wasted no time in alienating is big is trading partners,
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antagonizing allies and be will during critics. we're going to put very serious terrace on mexico and canada because canada they come to canada to and the drugs that are coming through our at record numbers, the headache for the trump administration. sometimes he's old, talk the large, the black, the kind of the launch the back down in mexico, panama. and so he has this deliberate policy, as we know, it's a state of the policy of some of the advisors are coming out to some of the shopping things, but it's almost impossible to, to focus on any of them. oh is off to the state department, announced us vessels would be passing through the panama canal, free the panama canal, or florence. he issued a statement translated here, denying any changes to its fees trumps gamble. in this case, at least hasn't paid off. it's early days. but trumps media will wind threatens to sweep up every thing and it's called what
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a nice picture of this is uh, governor. as the saying goes, a lie travels faster than the truth. and in this case, accountability could crumble in the confusion mike level oh, to 0 for inside story. the one that spring, and i guess from washington dc, we're joined by alex eyes and start a senior political reporter from x. who else? who covers the trump lighthouse and the republican party in london is patient eligible and a column is the middle east, i and of health from things. and also in washington dc. is eric have a u. s. political analyst and formal congressional stuff, a very warm welcome to all of you, alex, let me start with you in washington dc. what do you think trump, in his administration doing by signing so many executive orders, unleashing so many initiatives, generation, so many headlines all at once. so
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a couple things. one is that he wanted to come out of the gate show that he was trying to accomplish all the objectives that he outlined during the campaign. yeah, outlined a very ambitious domestic an agenda during the campaign and he wants to show his supporters and voters that he's going to follow through on that to is that trump loves to craig. hey us, he did this during his 1st term and he believes that as a practical mat matter, creating chaos keeps his opponents keeps the media off balance. and that's what he's doing here. and 3, what his team upset is that basically they only really have a couple of years to get done. the things that they want to get on and that you know after to yeah, the midterms are over next year. and after some really becomes of lame dog and things become a lot harder for him to things get harder for him. he loses the political capital that he wants had. it's harder for him to achieve the agenda that you don't he,
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what he's laid out. you know, i want to pick apart all of those objectives over the course of the show a piece. and let me come to you with one of the objectives of if the strategy is to overwhelm the media, the opposition so that they can focus on any one thing that the administration is doing is working or well, i don't know. i think there was a problem about this kind of strategic analysis, what's inside the re, analysis of what the from the administration is trying to do that. but actually look of what it means to the rest of the world. i've just come back from the west bank from jerusalem from jones. and here you see the statements by the us presidents. he is planning a program all ethnic cleansing of gaza. that is a crime under international law. that proposal is going to have devastating
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consequences to palestinians. i know sites are neighboring countries, so inside re take home. is he trying to confuse the us price? doesn't take us very far. let's look at the reality of what he's doing on it is, as i say, easiest thing. so let me ask you about the reality of what he's doing on that specific point given just how incredibly unrealistic this plan or forcibly displacing 2300000 palestinians out of gaza is egypt and jordan is not going to take them given how unrealistic it is what is the political strategy then behind suggesting such a plan? well, i know this assign, glenn is you are a budget being i unrealistic united states system for all of its current confusion . a is, is the most powerful nation in the globe with massive military and financial associates, a complaint to reject your suggestion that it's unrealistic. and i also note,
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this is crucial by the way, the a know most signal it sent to the file right? is royal to carry on the ethnic cleansing of, of westbank lawlessness which is already got a goal will be we saw that i was not rich, but cuz ministration of the westbank, gracing with a claim, the problem but nonsense. and the side of this is bone. you made it to a consequential in the real world i do, i do except possibly analysis, which is but mr. trump is a, isn't, it doesn't really understand how the well, what she's coming political maneuver of. but i think it's more sensible and more actions. okay. look at the real consequences of what he's doing and they all terrible. let me bring eric and on that, a eric, how do you see when donald trump says things like the us is going to take over? gaza has gone to an ex canada. it's going to take them to the green land, take back the panama canal. when is there
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a political strategy of saying such things? you know, that seem absolutely shocking and unrealistic. do you make the move realistic by replacing them enough times or no, not at all. in fact that we looked at his efforts to try to retake canada. we see how that simply just failed spectacular. when we, where we saw donald trump had to actually pull back from those punishing tabs that he wanted to implement on canada, and quite frankly, what it did was it actually poked to bear. we have now seen, many canadians are actually boycotting us products. still also, i think what we're seeing from donald trump is donald trump is simply miss reading the fax on. so many issues suggesting that canada's deficit with the united states makes the united states a weaker when we know the numbers that he continues to spout. $2250000000000.00 deficit for the united states is more like $40000000000.00. and when you take out the oil exports from canada, united states actually has
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a surplus. and so while donald trump does have this, what the zone strategy, i think what we're seeing, even with that strategy while it is certainly causing tremendous chaos and confusion and making it very difficult for the press to follow along. we're already beginning to see the limit as we are saying now, judges are actually repealed like many of these executive orders and costs. so now with the number of demonstrations and the push backs, we're saying just how potentially weak donald trump could be, at least on the legislative front. where of course, that's where you make a long term actually long term policies to actually fulfill your legacy. and right now donald trump is struggling with that. alex is, does this orienting for journalists covering the white house and with, as eric mentioned, we are seeing push back on many things already. you know, the, the attempts to freeze federal funds funding a judge has halted those. the threats of imposing 25 percent taxes on mexico
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and canada. that hasn't happened. i mean, there's a long list of things already now, but are we missing the missteps? the trump administration is taking when they make these bowles new announcements every day. well, the reality is, is that there's always so much so many journalists and there's always so much time . and so you can only reporters can only do so much. but that said, reporters are doing a lot and they are documenting a lot of the things that from either as sort of scale back or walk back. and so for example, yesterday when they decide when his administration started to sort of soften something to his original comments on god that coverage when he decided to delay the tariffs on mexico and canada, that got coverage as well. and so the journalist can't do everything, but they able to document a lot of the movies they happen in real time. and does that coverage showing that
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he's not actually able to achieve his agenda at this break next be that he has, he's been challenged by the quotes that he has to look back on his books, people, his secretary of state, have to walk back on the things that he said about gaza a day earlier, piece of do they affect him as old? i think we will them a lot more a in the sort of weeks to months to come quite a lot of these matches. i mean much, all real measures which have happened this for thinking of us agents. so for the collapsing of, of us self are likely to cause real calamities in the real world. just think about the removal of ag from africa. i think what you'll see is that china will not i think what we're seeing is the collapse of us power across the globe. you may think that's a good thing. you may think it's a bad thing, but you deal with china and you see, but jordan's just have 1200000000 dollars removed from its national budget by this
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one is a cool decision by the us president. i think that china will generally come in using the simon is terribly dangerous in somalia, right. not for it to what will have, i'll shut bob, a terrorist organization that is being held hell back upon a by us as a vengeance because they've been training the police force inciteful. i'm not strong. so sure. 5 is going to be greatly enhanced, made more powerful, a sabotage the some of the stake. now eventually us citizens are going to be killed as a result of these reckless actions. perhaps, sooner rather than later, we had a whip always in washington and the terrible catastrophic crash. so uh, i think i would rather like the point made by my previous i said that this can come back and find the present for a hot eric, we've heard from alex about how this orienting this can be for the media, but what they aren't able to do and what they are able to call the,
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the democratic minority liter hacking jeffries, coordinating last week he said to discuss a comprehensive 3 pronged counter offensive against trump let's, i mean, how is this for democrats? how do they manage to, you know, fight the managed to the tarrant to fight back against some of the initiatives? well, honestly and quite frankly, it's going to be very, very difficult for democrats. they don't have any levers of power. and quite frankly, they're the only negotiating tool that they have at their disposal is the budget process, which we're now seeing play out as the government now has to find a way to fund the government beginning in march. and of course, there is the debt ceiling and so those are 2 areas where democrats can actually push back, particularly given the very, very tight numbers that them in the house. republican majority holes. they only have a 3 seat majority so they can,
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they can ill afford to lose any seats. any votes there, and i think that's going to be the problem. maddox, will democrats actually hold strong in these negotiations? that's i think, the very key question we've never seen democrats actually tried to push the limit, particularly on the debt ceiling. and so i think that that could be an area where, while democrats of do have leverage, it's on clear, at least at this point, if they're prepared to actually use it. and alex, how much political capital does trump actually have at the moment? you know, does all of this projection of strength actually obscure some real political weakness? he entered the his 2nd to them, an office with an approval, racing of 47 percent, the lowest of any newly elected president in the modern era. sure. so the reality is that as a newly elected president, and he has a fair amount of political capital, his party controls both houses of congress. democrats are off balance trying to
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find their identity, trying to figure it out how they want to push back on trumps policies. so he has for the moment a fair amount of capital. now, if people, if the public works sort of sour on his agenda, if we get closer to the next year, is made terminal a luxury. and it looks like his party is about to lose control of one or both houses and they're going to lose seeds. and he starts to lose further in popularity . then he starts to lose capital. but for right now he has a lot of power. and that could change, but for the moment he's got capital and he's trying to cash in on it. and how much capital would you say the republicans have because they have a raise, a fin edge. and the house of representatives is not much bigger in, in the centers, and trump couldn't get any of his agenda. he couldn't get most of his agenda to congress. could he? so he's got and he's got a tough fight when he comes to the house, just because it is point out the margin is so slow. i mean it's gonna take
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a lot of negotiating power to get through, especially through the house. and so that's gonna be a challenge for him. and once things actually, when he stops doing executive orders, and he starts having to put his last through congress. things are going to get a lot more complicated for him. and piece of when alex talks about how he could, erica come to you. and just a moment, the page of, when alex talks about how trump can those political capital, as has to him, goes on of the things he had doing a, you know, unpopular if he isn't able to push his agenda through. we've already seen that he has caught and get some of it through. when does it have an impact on the people who voted for him? you know, we saw him lose some of his popularity during his 1st to and especially, or the, his handling of the pandemic. so i don't want to present myself as the next, but it's on the american political system. but can i make one else of ation? i, i think it's really interesting to see how it's going to be received internationally
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here and alonzo. it's clear we have the but the look the cast i'm i, labor government all traditionally. i like maybe so the, to my democrats doing its best to talk to mr. trump really we have before and said she refused to contend the nightmare. announcements about gaza, for instance, and he's a tracking night, so it was extraordinary tonight. so i live so far, great denmark and kind of hoping to chat with north atlantic treaty organization, which has been a buttress of american papa 72 years. and suddenly he's trying to sabotage he and i'm, the minded, i'm not is that is to what extent is i going to be from traditional us allies a real quick. but i'm, how much patients do you think the traditional us allies have, you know, we've heard from the european commission chief as the one to line again this week saying the same thing that she has since he entered his 2nd to him and office, which was that we need to find common ground to the finding of about goods and it's
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getting quite humiliating. um, i think, but the rest of the world may ton against america. what is happening here is the problem is redefining the way the united states is seen across the globe. we now understand it's always being possibly true by the way, the united states of america, the trump, is a rogue state. in the same way that the soviet union was a rogue states before 1990. and i'll give a medical since it is copy, trusted, it breaks on its agreements, it's unpredictable. it's about the biggest danger to well police, all of these things of the case. i'm the trump, and i think the rest of the world it's becoming impossible to deal with and that will do. he will force natural allies to full other allowances. and we are seeing the nature of american power, which is up to now being closed and available to gloves being already exposed. i
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think i'll continue to see eric, what do you make of that? at the united states, as at the danger of becoming a rogue stays on the donald trump. and i know you wanted to come in earlier as well . well, i've actually written an account and where i do say that the united states has gone wrong. but back to your original point about donald trump, to print a rating, we see donald trump coming into office. actually having of crew were rating 10 points lower than what joe biden's was when he came into office. in addition to that, when you looked at a number of the executive orders that donald trump has already implemented, many of those are very unpopular. so with his of this is talking about friend braylon mosque and so i think what we're saying in terms of donald trump's political capital, he didn't have much when he came in because the only one with a 49 percent of the vote. and then of course, his approval rating is not even at 50 percent. and when we're saying these can continuing rollbacks and so much chaos,
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i think donald trump's political capital is that little bit which he had, he's beginning to squander very rapidly. and i think it's going to be only that much more difficult for him to actually be able to make legislative gains, particularly through the congress where you actually have lasting impact. and i think that's what we're donald trump, is going to be very, very troubled to say nothing of his ability to actually operate internationally as we every our we've already heard from peter. donald trump is continuing to make enemies of his closest allies, and even those competitors are certainly finding opportunities like china to be able take advantage of things like what we're seeing with the shadowing of us a id. alex, do say that way in regards to his political capital, then what do you see him doing with it while he has it or what lawyers this boy has a, he's doing the flood zone strategy that you mentioned earlier on where he's trying to get as much done as he possibly can and a short amount of time. and part of that is he recognizes that that political
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capital likely won't last forever, for most president doesn't last forever. and what will he do when it doesn't last forever as well? and that's, that's the question. he went through a long period during his 1st birth presidency where he didn't have a lot of political capital for most of the time he was present. but that didn't stop him from trying to push for on the agenda that he wanted to push through. and so trump isn't a typical political animal. he doesn't say themself. well, now i need to go and scale back my ambitions. that's not really how we operate. and so we'll have to see what happens as the years progressed as it relates to how we tries to push forward on his agenda. eric, you can tell me what i what. yeah, yeah, what i would like to say is donald trump is earned up, learned a lot from his 1st term. we saw many very stinking and humiliating defeats during donald trump's 1st term, the thumbs down by john mccain on the attempt to repeal the affordable care act.
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donald trump having to pull back from a comprehensive immigration reform because even many republicans bought that the government shut down over the christmas holiday. and so what donald trump is doing this term is he's actually trying to stay away from congress. and he recognizes through executive orders, he can still continue to give this r o or a strong man, someone who is in charge and who can get things done. the problem with that is we are saying many of those judges network input that were that got that got through during the find the ministration are now beginning to actually push back and push back hard on many of donald trump's policies. in fact, there was one judge who actually looked at donald trump's birth rights, citizenship executive folder, and say, he couldn't believe that in actual lawyer had actually presented that as an order. and so i think we're again, what we're seeing here is while many can not cover all of what donald trump is certainly doing when you do actually peel back the layers, you are seeing
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a president of, quite frankly, is very weak at this time. even though he's attempting at every avenue to show and present strength and pay to however wait, he might be at this time he is of the us president. he is the president of one of the most powerful countries in the world. and you seem to believe him at, you seem to take them at face value of what he says. what of his agenda, especially internationally, do think he will be able to achieve in this to well, what he can do is create to title guy, else. he seems to be in french, in the middle east. it's in franchise the, the fall rise in israel, and the consequences are terrible. and the, the progressives of a stretch g is getting a soft spring done is our lives across the region. jordan might easily collapse and so it into a 500 kilometers was i guess it's while you go to egypt, which is very vulnerable to the the palestinians sought to arrive the and nothing
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besides i think is terrifying moment for, for america's allies. i also can i make a note of ation about american domestic politics? yes, i think he's okay what, what so long ago? it's not a recession, but his policies very much remind me of the policies which lead to the great depression of the 19 thirty's. i eat imposing these tyrants, which is i was. ready on the common me, and i can see if america does go into recession from will be blamed. and then it will be obvious perhaps even to me is even so we supposed to is that they both have to bring the, the, in the why tots. one that they a version back into power or the alex we just have about one minute left in the program. what is your strategy for keeping the white house on a stove the next 4 years? well, it's about staying on top of them every day. it's about not taking necessarily everything
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they say for, for, for granted, but pushing further in terms of reporting, talking to more people. i talked to people in the federal bureaucracy talking to people in the west wing and talked to, going to ball around washington to get this sense to, you know, what is actually happening in this white house. there's a lot that's going on and during 1st, trump's 1st term with a few years to fully understand everything that you did. and so you have to develop a wide source network and you need to really press people on what, what is the impact of his policies or that is that discussion for today? thank to uh to all 3 of you. that's alex licensed out in washington dc. pizza, osborne and london and eric have in washington dc. and thank you too for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, which is 0 adult. com. and for further discussion, do go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i handle this at
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