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the there's no limit to how far a dream contains key stuff in your own adventure now counter a way that is so full teddy in the journal, this reported as though they're reporting the weather. those are the words of our guest this week. to describe is real genocidal campaign and gaza. so what role does the western days play in perpetuating a narrative, the humanizes type of city? and how does that shape our understanding of their struggle for justice and liberation this week on upfront?

i'll ask those questions to palestinian poet and writer. how many how many good, thank you so much for joining me in upfront. thank you so much for having. you go up in the shifter, a post in a neighborhood in east jerusalem, which has been under threat of dispossession for decades. in fact, and 2009 settlers forcibly entered your home and it took over part of it. so can you talk about what it was like to witness something like that as a child and how those kinds of experiences in the neighborhood shaped her identity? uh funny, funny enough. what missing sutler is like foreign born settlers coming to our house and take it forcibly was the norm because our neighborhood was one of the many, many neighborhoods around occupied. paul's time has been facing for us expulsion and it only, it only was when i grew up that i realize how absurd it was that this was happening

. and there were people who were saying that it was defined to create a day to go over our house is and they turn our neighborhoods from posting into is really but i think any, if i were i, if i were to unpack it, it must have been very, very traumatic to witness something and to just have such a part of part of this instilled and you as a child. but then again, you almost feel as though you are lucky is that your house has only taken not, you know, blowing up the way it is and registered for example, or in, in parts of the west bank like an old cut, hammonds union. and it's, and so once it's situated and just kind of like a hierarchy of it oppression that's really messed up. and it really like alters your, your outlook on, on the world. so you have a new book out what you're going to get into detail about in a bit. but any you write that quote, the very moment that a palestinian exits the room he is on childhood, flung away from childhood and treated as both

a good for nothing. nobody any dangerous ticking time bomb at once. but how did you experience this idea of, of being on childhood? um, well 1st of all, like i said, history just say that the concept of, of the answer to that is something that's an important bypassing academic. and that, that said, hope cover to begin to talk about the kind of false is not posted in children. and or in my, in my particular case, it's not necessarily, it's unique in some aspects. and it's very to uh, you know, comment in many other aspects. you know, the fact that you are treated like an adults from the, from your very, from the very beginning of your life. and you're treated like you, there is no way to coddle your shelter from the reality of the occupation. there is not a time where you and your parents are going to have the talk with you because it's you what you see it from the 1st time you open your eyes and also these are the occupation forces. treat you as though you are threat on the tech point in industry, on your way to school and so on and so forth. but for me and for some many other

policy and children also you are forced into sometimes for sometimes to kind of like volunteer like somehow find yourself into the role of the advocate as a child we saw just to demonstrate it. and so like most flagrant for him in the gaza strip when pulsing and children put on the so called children's press conference. and they stood, many of them behind the podium included with the world to stop the bombing because of the dentist. i have to go step and for many policy and children, this is a role you take on because you recognize or the n g o. com or the activists and the human rights. organizations that come to your neighborhood recognize that lawmakers around the world, the adult audiences around the world are quite racist against posting is particularly fussy and men. and so we burden or children with the task of giving humans ice for who matthew. we asked them to, to memorize these talking points. to memorize the is, is the idea that the world may be more generous. they may have more grace for palestinian children. then pal sending adults that at the races and doesn't,

doesn't quite sleep into their perception of the children is much better. that's the idea. that's the theory. but uh, on the contrary, i think uh the world has a lot of this day and for palestinian children that actually brings me to, to the title of your book. again, it's a new book it's, it's called perfect victims. and the politics of appeal, this idea of the perfect victim is very provocative and compelling. what's a perfect victim? it's a, it's a mythical. it's an ethical creature. the perfect victim, i think certainly i don't think it's a, it's not a no idea. like a certainly like the block circle we've, we've heard a lot about pretty good times. i've heard people need it for digging for you to, to hold also in the women's rights movement. right. when we're talking about like victims of sexual assault, it's often demanded of women to, to, for a trait is infallible disposition to, in this aspect of complete innocence. but this paradigm of innocence

is not only unattainable, but it really throw so many people under the bus. so many people are unable to assume this, these characteristics, you know, oftentimes we talk about, you know, women and children as the main, you know, the main victims of war. and people could take that free marker and they'll say, but don't forget the policy and man and they will qualify what they will qualify it by saying, and the person you met because they are gentle fathers and they are loving figures and blah, blah. my argument, i think it's, you know, an argument that's been made before, but i tried to just really situated and pursued contact is that those palestinian men could be absolutely abhorrent and they still deserve dignity. and the peroration, because there is not an aspect or a certain personality that you must portray or must employee before you are worthy of human rights. you talk about the ways in which palestinians are saved from the human as they should bring up issues of class race,

nationality. an example of this was when these really military shot did my colleague out 0 journalist shooting at a blacklist a lot of the media focus was placed on the fact that she was a us passport hold. how does this emphasis on her citizenship reflect that kind of brought a pattern around marginalizing palestinian identity? like you said, this sense is her from her post and in this and it's like, so i hit i hit save, but it's almost every day that i thought of some young journalist as skilled and so, and it's very, very seldom that they make it into the headlines, and if they don't make it into the headlines, there are often vilified. the headlines were claimed that they have ties to her mouth or that they were, you know, doing something suspicious or that they were in a place they shouldn't to be. and we think we think it's a strategy by emphasizing someone's americanness or someone, someone's british, possibly we think it is, it is going to deliver us justice. but in the case of city and mega dresser,

so in the case of city and the only thing is has the liver is more promotion and more for us in the media, but it hasn't given her justice. and on the contrary, it has made it even harder for us to advocate on behalf of slim pulsing and journalists who do not have these for un, this for, and passports. because you know, being a journalist targeted by it is really snipers is an atrocity within itself. but we are telling personal journals, no, that's not enough for you also need to be a citizen of dislike, 3 privilege country or you need to be a christian because most of most of all students are most of them that's we have, we're in story or you need to be a woman and you to be this and you need to be that and all of the is, is irrelevant. it, it, it demands of the posting is an advocates and activists to double their efforts when it should be a straightforward story. there is a journalist that was short and brought the like, as witness to say, as, as cameras have a, you know, documented and it should be rejected worldwide. we should not,

that should be in the field yet. we should not have to build this impossible case. do you ever find yourself susceptible or compelled by, of that sort of tendency to prioritize the special people in the perfect because i asked them because it was inactive as the united states. i mean, i would see a black kid who gets killed, who's going to college on monday or who goes to harvard as this great example to show the world. see, it doesn't matter how perfect you are, they're going to kill you any way. there's a, there's a temptation to move away from the heart or cases, you know, the person who was shot with his hands up, even if he had a criminal record or she had a criminal record, you know, do you ever find yourself kind of compelled, by those those perfect victim there. oh, certainly all the time, every day, every day, i mean there were, there was a video of the victims of the perfect page or a talking loving on. and it was like a month as of the victims. and the 1st 2 i think were men and then the later

victims were kids. and i was thinking in the back of my head, it would have been a better the toil decision to help the kids and, except for us. and, but it's you recognize how? absolutely. i don't know how i don't know whether it's called a heartbreaking or ginger. it's a scary that like it's been through these tendencies, have been drilled into, to like create these hierarchies into your mind, the toy allies suffering. because you think and recognize that the audience is not going to be receptive to certain people and your, your race somewhere. you push them to the, to the back end of the video because you are pleading with the race audience. but you have to just, i think you just have to be honest about it as, as an active as through i was right. i mean, i was writing about another posting in american citizen, almost had to was a, you know, blindfolded guide and left to die in the cold into westbank. but is there any military? and i remember i wrote about this at the end of the essay. i remember that i had spent maybe an hour looking for an article that condemned that he was beaten as

well because in the back of my head, it was not enough that he was blindfolded and got i need attempt to be beaten to in order for him to be competitive. now i asked myself, what does that say about my psyche? what does that say about what has been done to my insights and it's, it's a scary question. there is a stark contrast in how we discussed state sanctioned violence compared to the actions of those who are resisting oppression. i'd like to ask beyond issues of race, class and nationality. how are victims perceived when they choose to engage in armed resistance? what determines whether their actions are seen as legitimate or not. this is a country where some states have trespassing laws, like some states have sandra ground laws. i remember i was mind blown when i 1st heard of the idea that if you're standing someone's lawn, they can to suit you or something. so it took me a while, but i now realize that the idea that americans, europeans simply don't understand,

was a sense where the right to defend yourself is simply a mythical idea. it's not true, they understand. there's a sense. it's just that they don't like when we do it. who is the we? is it just palestinians as an artist, the brown people? i think it's people who yeah it's, it's, i think black and brown people make up the vast majority of the demographic. but i think it's people who express an employer because you know, in, in uh, in the north of ireland the, the item is the iris skin did not really absolve them from the, from the vine and send it in and not, you know, we did not velo right, them as national heroes or resistance heroes when they engaged and under this sense, against the british empire. so you know, it's something to say, i think the majority of the population is black and brown, but i think it's anybody who purchased the empire. but yeah, and i think it's sometimes it's like, like you said, it's so staggering. it's almost comical. there was a i, i read about this one of the top. there is what it was like,

a study that was done by the new york or crimes, which is a collective that, you know, is not sparkplug newspaper. the threshold near times are comfortable, and they just did a comparative study of how a resistance and ukraine is. cover the new york times. and how is the sense impulse sign is and, you know, the new york times glorifies the guerrilla warfare tactics of the ukrainians, glorifies and romanticize them, then blending in and out of the population wearing civilian clothes. meanwhile, that's cause it's cause it when pulsing is the way it's cause it hiding behind humans, fields and so on and so forth. so the difference is, is staggering. but i think we must move past the just the double standard and understand why the double standard applies. it's not the editors of the new york times are more on so, i mean, they are in my opinion, but it's not that they are ignorant of what's happening is that they are willingly and purposefully editorializing resistance in a way to verify that you,

you effect or highlight an example uh from uh cnn. when tv host christian, i'm impor, asks and is really author whether it's possible to hold 2 thoughts at once. then october 7th was the worst thing that could have happened and that everybody has the right to live with rights and dignity, including palestinians. which even quickly how the opposite by saying, and i'm not talking about him as you took issue with this. yeah. why? because of the so crazy, how do you my vision of 1st indians is saw normalized in normalized in in mass media. it's like you cannot imagine anybody saying that about any other political party in the world. imagine i said, you know, all americans deserve to live in peace and harmony. but i'm not talking about democrats. you know, that people would take an issue to that. but the, even a zation saying that policy and fighters or processing as well,

even just support fighting deserved death sooner my zip. there was another issue or another. let me push back on that just a little bit. i mean, there are people who believe in the house, any right, passing separate termination, but take issue for political, legal or moral reasons with the actions of some ass either before or after or on october 7th. is it inherently wrong to say, hey, i support the policy and struggle for self determination? i support house any resistance, but i don't support say, the kidnapping of civilians or the killing of an armed people or civilians where we define that because it violates international law, etc. that then you can make those mo does, but that's not what i'm, i'm for saying. she's saying every bit everybody deserves to live. everybody deserves human rights. except the fight. there's a promise. she is rendering the declaration of human rights knowing conditional declaration of human rights conditional. i take an issue with that. it's one thing to say, you know,

i have political issues or i would not have conducted myself in the same manner or certain actions is there certain punishments or whatever it is, but to just say wholesale, most people deserve death. it's simply racist. there was another instance on cnn when a group of journalists told this most, i'm journalist like he was thinking, the whole thing is that to me, it was like, i hope your paper goes off or something like that. and you know, there was a ruckus around the issue and then they clarified, oh, i saw you were talking about from us. and the journalist goes, no, no, no, i was talking as i'm support of the past and people, i'm not saying i'm support of him as, as if him being a supporter. i promised him having the political opinion or the, you know, just the preference of supports from us would say that it's ok to say that he deserved that this is the culture in the united states. it's okay to the port students where the political belief expelled them for the political belief. it's okay to ruin the careers of young academics and younger writers and young

scientists because of their political opinions in a so called democracy, that's a part. this brings me to the question of, of who's now reading the struggle and the story of palestinians. you critique the fact that is really human rights organizations is really a conscientious objectors or former israeli soldiers who decide to come clean are given a kind of precedents over the words and the accounts and the testimonies of palestinians. can you explain what the danger is of that arrangement? where is railways even while intention ones get the authority of narration over the house? yeah, i mean i just stick god. bless them. first of all. yeah. but i take issue with the, with the premise, it's not that you are as a mainstream media ultimate interviewing this. this is rid of human rights organizations on the basis that it's a human rights organization. you're interviewing them because there is really 1st and it's the idea that the audience is already suspicious of products in your hands

. it's supposed to business of arab system, the business of most loans. but it's not suspicious of israel is it's actually it's actually finds a more credible psych meds out. and for example, it becomes like bits of them. yeah. it's like what, why is it that it's okay. i'm not controversial for 4 bits and i'm to tell the new york times that is really sort of children, but it's somehow unreliable. when does really when the pulsing administrative health says it, or when a passing and when i me it or when me is and on top says that the issue here is racism. so if it is, if it was like, oh, we're going to platform these testimonials on the basis of merit or on the basis of the content of the thought. somebody itself, i wouldn't take an issue with it, but it's the ident, terry and bases that rubs me the wrong way. it's not. we're interviewing just a story because he's actually, i know it's because he's do us and somehow that his jewish nest will make him more credible. and we do this to not just the, the, the mentioned organizations. we say this is really,

attorney general says that is realism to parts. i'd say, well, i can tell you, i can name for your 10. i mean, i can't, but i could, you know, mentioned to you 10 is really attorneys on those who say no, actually this is a democracy. so then what the save and the same breath it is very officials can bring palestinians who will parent their talking points. then what, what's to what, and are we using these identities to advance our talking points when it should be a lot more methodical? it should be a lot more scientific to be, you know, things should be arguments and debates should be based. in fact, not who said us and who said that, i think that's, you know, a debt and you want stated that quote, zionism is the leading cause of death in occupied palestine. it's interesting because you don't say these really government, for example, you say zionism, you don't say the settler is, you don't say the military. you say that it is. why? well, it's the material manifestations of this ideology that have caused dust. and it's,

you know, then actors of this ideology, the people who carry its baton or the settlers and the government. but i think it's the audiology itself that has created this roadmap of dispossession of displacement of, you know, this leave for bureaucracy that kills bostonians with um, you know, fines and fees if not air strikes and bonds. and i, i mention zionism particularly because there's a dangerous conversation around the west. i think it's probably the only conversation about what design does it mean or what the sign is. i mean, to certain people, exactly, because some people would say, repeat it by not, for example, say i'm a cultural science, i oppose deactivation. i pose a part type, but i mean, i'm a social scientist. it's about the culture of symbols. it's a connection. it's an, it's a national identity. it's not about not because they're not so not, and that's

a lot of entity. some people like some, i don't know if we would take someone who would say, i'm a cultural nazi seriously. i why is that? we make the exception for design as well, maybe not exception, but i mean, lots of them was a national project. it's just it was also abhorrent and disgusting and danger. well, that's a different so right. cause not to them would be rooted in something fundamentally, morally, a part where is always design is a, but judy isn't, isn't. and so what is there is not, there is no conflation between. i make no conflation between side of the majority of them, but zionism explicitly isn't a boy in floods or the pioneers of linus. i'm have name to explicitly to be unimportant project of colonialism. job within ski hurts. so talk about stealing garlands. talk about cutting us talk about how binders is the only way they can make their national homeland achievable. like how is that different from any sylvester national? i think the culture sinus would say yes that's political sign is a that's a problem. i'm just trying to find my jewishness and i don't have an interest in

this that the colonial project i, i really just, i think that's really, i think it's irredeemably narcissistic, to see, but bombs, bombing bombs falling over a strip of land where people live the season say, actually this is about me in my you're, you're miss understanding me in my last one percent given that the majority of israelis do identify design is, do you think you'll ever come a time where the conversation about the meaning of zionism will change? or at least the importance of having that conversation will become more urgent. i think the meaning of the side of them is quite clear because a project is what it does. like if you can, you, i can tell you, design is i'm is an ice cream machine all day long. i was. and as i'm as adult machine, because that dust is what it does, it's not about what we define it the same way. like somebody could say, isis is, you know, a rebellion against something or whatever. but isis is not the isis is,

uh, is, uh, is the movement of behaviors, right? like, i can, i can describe myself is one thing. but what i do alternately defines to me and i think the conversation should not be about the meaning of science. and because we've had a 100 years of, you know, other sort of examples of what scientism as the conversations would be about, how do we about design is i'm in a way that absolves and saves as many as low as possible. you talk about how in the struggle for palestine liberation bearing witnesses, not enough on it's all. what's your vision for achieving a collective liberation? it's really, really, really hard to answer like there's, there's a lot, but i think there are parameters where i think, you know, there needs to be read distribution of well saying, i think there needs to be a recognition of what has been a reversal of what has been there needs to be the right to return the freedom to political prisoners, but it also what do you think of personal origin?

i also think of global renovation. i think the past 15 months have shown us. yes, but as soon as particularly those in girls will bear the lump edge of the occupation. but this project and the technology is uh, a surveillance and repression and violence. that ethic sports is something that will impact the majority of the world, particularly the poor among us. and so i'm not really concerned with ideas of like nationalism and that's most states and so on and so forth. i don't wanna get into that, but it's not to me, it's more about dignity, like it's, it's about saving a material, systematic, a manifestation of dignity where people feel the confederate also think, you know, and some interviewing, you know, someone mentioned that freedom is having no fear i think the highest, one of the variation we can achieve is, is also within our hearts where we are not afraid, not afraid of our own thoughts in our own censorship. and i think this is

unfortunately the case for many persons who are not even under military occupation, but under an occupation of the mind here in this country and in other places in the west criminal court. thank you so much for joining me, an upfront, thank you so much for having me. if you see the on counting the cost, what's behind donald trump's terrorist and could they trigger a global trade war? india is facing on its middle class to revive its slowing economy, but we'll look campbell pay off. plus, how's the china taken the lead in the global race, the terms and the cost on? i will just a rough manipulated by those in power rolling. this selection is unique and we've seen anything like it for no pressure. they were instrumental in helping the president when the election, driven by so interested play as they have put their pastor non profits for people

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