of international theories, organization a formal houses negotiator, and he's negotiated with them us for around 17 years. he's in west jerusalem. let me ask you so this is now the 5th exchange of captives for presenting. how may i ask them as well? what do you make of these exchanges? so follow, have a strength of the see saw i do because the safe spot seems more incredible now than ever before. you're a 100 percent? correct? the, the 2nd phase is a big question mark of whether or not we'll move forward. it is entirely, i think, in the hands of the americans of donald trump and steve would cost if there was an ability to move forward. the reverse is have strengthened the will, it is really public for the ceasefire to continue. i think that we will save continuing throughout the remain during a period. i think another 23 days or 21 days worth of new point right now of the 1st 42 day periods. and then the go sections really haven't begun on the 2nd phase . and he is really team. and that's being sent to doha. now is a low level team,

they don't have on the update to negotiate a doctor in your has not sent the heads of the team. he's talked about changing members of the negotiating team and perhaps in order to take more direct control and limit the ability of the team to negotiate a deal. and, but there's no doubt that watching the hostages come home being reunited with their families. we, we see not our television screens every single day, many, many, many hours of, of filming, of the families of the stories of the hostages of it. and it is strengthening the will of because of the public to see that this continues, particularly with regard to those hostages that are still alive to okay. um stay with us when you, um gosh and because uh i'm just gonna speak now to mama de must way. he joins us here in the studio. it's, it's, it's good to get all, i guess together, just to kind of sound off and use them as a sounding board in terms of what we're seeing, unfolding our springs. i'm. so let me ask you 1st. i mean, as i guess i've been saying i'm of the sci fi it now seems more fraudulent,

but i do think we'll get past even phase one. well, i don't, i don't even know if we're gonna get through a phase one at this point time. i'm asking myself what the incentive is uh for him as uh to continue with the cease fire. if how much has already been told that number one, israel has every intention of re launching it's bombardment of cause. and number 2, that is real and the united states are actively planning to de, populate the gaza strip for this kind of mass expulsion of, of the palestinian. so, you know, i can't get into the heads of the, i'm also leadership of course, but i, but i, i do think that there are at least asking, asking themselves that question right now. i mean, what, what is the incentive to, to move forward here. if you know we're taking hostages, this is a war crime, but it is, you know, this is really captives are really the only leverage that, that from us has at this point. so if i'm not as confident as some of the other

guests that were even gonna get through the through phase one, i was more confident i was just on older 0. i think the day before trump's a press conference with benjamin netanyahu. i was as shocked as, as anyone, not that the us would be interested in the sort of thing. i mean, the binding to administration proposed something, but i thought that there was a real chance that donald trump wanted to present himself as kind of the peacemaker . here that he wanted to take credit for the, for the cease fire and maybe some larger israel, palestinian, you know, piece piece deal. and now it looks like the trump is as committed as any one. uh to this kind of uh, uh, mass expulsion of, of palestinians. oh, it's a mom and i must read many thanks for your insights. and your time here as we watch events unfolding us, springs again a week off to the last exchange. we're seeing the 5th and latest exchange of those

is rarely kept as for palestinian prisoners. if you're just joining us here on. i'll just say i'm, it's just going past 630 gmc, i'm darren joe. let me just remind you of what's been happening. how master's preparing, as we're seeing and all screens to release 3 is way to captives from gaza. the names of those captors had been confirmed by hamas as the 5th slip of his way to captives for palestinian prisoners since the ceasefire began last month. what is rarely set to release in return, a 183 palestinian prisoners in exchange for the 3 is where the captives on saturday . let me remind you that includes 72 people who are sending life sentences or longer terms in is riley jones. let's go back to topic up as soon as he joins us live now from the rob balance. so target guys, we've been saying this is the fixed exchange. you've seen these exchanges before. um took us to what we're expecting to happen now in the seems behind to target as well right now, i'm still in the slide. dean roads,

which is the mainland king rope. when both the noise and the south of the stripe and the back of ground, you can see the stage, the really side where the is, where the cap serves will be handed over to the international committee of the red cross. we can see on the ground defense fields preparations being made by the military. winkle from us we can see that they have quotes one, see via pills with different spikes is on it. and that was different size of different kinds of rifles and a heavy machine. uh that will be used during the confrontation with the is ready occupation forces. and we understand that the choice of select doing roads has different significance. symbolism. so the a, it's more palestinians of, oh for, for the is really minutes for because we are just only a few kilometers away. you from the and it's a room for you to what the moments the is very minute treat for us that you sent on

the off schedule to be withdrawing from the area. tomorrow morning, and on the ground, we can see that military fight says are putting up the images of how mazda is political and military lead, including is mario, how do you? yeah, well, i'm not based on a number of top commanders. hope we're responsible of running the us and scroll brigade. so because some military of the military we of how much on the other side, we can see that uh the, uh, the preparations are still ongoing. now they are putting up the image and the photo of yes, yes. and what, how much does a political group chief on these appropriations, in fact they're in come under the sides of the east village roads, will have been holborn since the early hours of this morning. in this presidential square that we are in, we are understand. we completely believe that to the uh, the hands over will take place in this open area. that is witnessing college level

of the type control security procedures by the middle through winkle palm us to ensure that the homes over will go smoothly without any sort of a field challenges as we have seen previously in the exchange and the uh, the, the release of this is where the captain in the city of con you and as a generally, we can also see about hundreds of flights as are still coming to the site in order to secure any sort of external intervention. and this sort of the preparation indicates that the military wing of how much is just so effectively existing as a life that was on the ground. these really minutes reclaims us, that they managed to dismantle different military infrastructure of the military ring. how must must only in the north we have seen them coming from under the remnants of the destroyed homes. so also in the central area and the southern part . and we saw previously different speaks releases on this when

a cup tips from the north, from the south. and today we are seeing got from the central area which can send a message to the international view. is that the, the military facts, the published in the military factions, all the cells effectively operating on the ground, despite all the city bloods that they have in doing what we can see right now is the friend who's fight says off something on the roof. so these vehicles and they are trying to secure and it to send a message to palestinian along the coast on the palestinian population in gaza. that how much did not collapse that they are still operating with the full military capabilities. okay, clearly we are expecting that the international committee of the red cross vehicles will soon come to the side of the release as the problem says, it is expected to start once they are able to reach the side. now these thoughts of

reparation. just the issue that the international committee of the cross will easily receive is by the captive in order to move them back to the is really a minutes where, you know, that's on the go. i'm initial medical check. all we need to remind all of you is that use what is the miniature room, how much employee different medical stuff to complete assessing the medical health and the fitness of these when it comes to is before that release in order to ensure that they will return back in a good health condition to best families and post completely different to the scenes of palestinians were released from the it's been a presence. they usually released being completely exhausted, tired and suffering from different physical on site political cause that will need time to be recovered. absolutely, this is the situation in the field. now. these for patients are made and we are expecting their release of 3 is very top to an exchange of

a 183 palestinian prisoners from the east by the jails who are expected to be released once the international commit to direct course have over the is what it captives to the is very minute 3 in in time there's a published and it prisoners will make the journey under the supervision of the i see, i see back to the original hospital in the southern costs of the gaza strip. all right, so i'll just bear with tara god. positive. i'm reporting for us there from the allows are watching. the themes unfolding on tv screens of the impending exchange of captives is when the captains full pallets them in prisoners. let's bring in a honda salute. jones of life from the jordanian capital. i'm not and she's reporting from that because these really government and policy, you know, far to have bonded out to 0 for important inside israel. i'm the occupied westbank come to. so how much announce some hours ago, the names of these 3 is really captive to be released or waiting for that to happen . now what, what do we know about them have the as well,

these 3 is really captives, their names were actually given to mediators later than expected. and there's been a lot of back and forth this week about how most accusing israel of trying to not sending the correct amount of humanitarian aid is saying that they did not send the amount of tens that were promising. there were a lot of other violations. israel so chemist violated the agreement by not giving this list of captives before 4 pm on friday, which is why we actually do not have the list of palestinian prisoners set to be released. but nonetheless, these are the 3 civilian is really men who will be released. this is the 5th exchange that we're seeing under phase one of disagreement. and it was expected for it to take place around 8 30 am local time. but now it's a little bit later around. 10 am local time, according to some sources inside of gaza. these really army radio is also reporting

that they're making these preparations for 10 am local time. and you'll recall that there is a choreographed system for when these captives are released from us, releases them, their hands, it over to the international committee of the red cross. then they are driven to the israel gauze. the border at a is really military base where they are given an identification check and initial medical and psychological evaluation. and they're re united with immediate family members there one or 2 people from their family there, then air lifted to a hospital in central israel where they will be re united with the rest of their family and then stay there for the next few days. and in exchange for these 3 is really meant a $183.00 palestinian prisoners will be released a $111.00 of them going to gaza 7 at which will be deported, leaving an exile outside of the palestinian territories. and $42.00 will be released into the occupied west bank. yeah. and on all those policy prisoners who we know are being released, do we have the details as to who the names are?

i mean, a, the, a, the key prisoners were being released. we actually don't because the list of this really captives was given late, meaning that israel did not release the list of palestinian prisoners who will be released as part of this space exchange. previously, what we've seen is the list of names given earlier on a friday, and then the list of policy and prisoners is released shortly after that. but let's not forget that just a couple of weeks ago, prime minister benjamin netanyahu had actually delayed the release of palestinian prisoners altogether. what we do know is that many will have life sentences. many will be serving long sentences and is really present. this is part of the agreement that after 15 months of intensive war, the price of palestinian prisoners, the price of captives had gone up significantly. and what that means is, for each type of captive,

a different number of palestinian prisoners is set to be released for civilians. you have 30 captives for women in these rarely army. you have 50 captives who have higher sentences and this is something that israel was against throughout the entirety of these negotiations. but realize the only way they could bring out the remaining captives from gaza was through an exchange deal like this because they had been talking about this new terry pressure over 15 months of intense war that had killed nearly 50000 palestinians. they were on successful in doing that. they had what they called rescue operations, where they killed hundreds of palestinians in order to rescue around 3 captives from garza from central garza to be exact. but the is really authorities. once they have signed onto this deal had agreed to this number of palestinian prisoners. however, the way israel is going to release them, they said is going to be on their terms. and that's why some are getting deported

and being forced to live in exile. that's why many of them are being threatened upon their release, including zachary, as a way, the one of the most prominent palestinian prisoners to be released as part of this deal. who was called out by israel's defense minister by name on x, formerly known as twitter, saying that he wouldn't be killed essentially if he got involved in any sort of other activities. and this is israel defense minister making these threats against these palestinian prisoners. so this is an ongoing situation, this is a very sensitive release of the policy and prisoners because it's also an issue that's what the heart of every palestinian each family know someone or is related to someone who has been detained over the last several decades. nearly 1000000 palestinians have been detained by his really authorities. all right, out of the time to sort of live in the jordanian capital and honda for the time being. thank you. what as a waiting for the 6 things to happen of the live pictures you'll seeing on your

screens of kind of even did all about a ton of people course, where hostages square is where these ready families will be watching the release and the on the ballot. is where the actual release point is uh in central gauze and let's speak to our guest again. mama daughter is a jerusalem based human rights lawyer who's been practicing in these randy and published and then legal systems since 1993. and he'll be talking to us from occupied east jerusalem. we'll south gushing baskin is the middle east director of the international communities organization. he's a former hostage negotiator and has negotiated with him us for 17 years. and then the studio, his mama, the mastery professor of media studies at the doha institute for graduate studies at mama donna let me come to you because you're a human rights lawyer. i'm the one to ask you, we've been hearing about the terrible treatment of palestinian prisoners was in his way to jails. and what have you been hearing about the conditions inside the prisons moment? i mean, the situation is awful. when we see those, the prison i was that are in prison or ink or in the courtroom, we hear

a horrible stories about what's happening to them during the present moment. and especially after october the 7th. and of course, the medical negligence, that, that intentionally medical negligence is something that is well known among those presidents that after october, the 7th that the mental treatment, including are being beaten off or tortured human, a gated, and in different ways it became common practice as so many a scale diseases they are suffering from the bed. you know, i'm, even those are beings of these are being threatened. first of all is not to make any sort of issue festival and something is very important to remember that the lease is actually condition of i'm not maybe nobody's talking about this because we have to remember this is not a peace deal. this is an exchange the exchange deal and

the present most i like this lead, all stages will go back home and therefore they are now safe and they will not be a captive if your game prisoners are being released under this the, the condition of the, of the stuff, if they are they, if they get involved. i mean that's giving feedback is deemed by there's really, maybe 30 or right as the army as illegal sometimes even based on privilege evidence that the prison of i'm their lawyers don't see, they can be, they can back a gaming to prison and they got to be on the tension, luckily for the new activity that they might be accused off be can be taken back to continue the sentence even if it's a lot of sometimes they have before kind of this has happened. this has happened is actually the extremes view. and i'm afraid it's going to happen again in the coming

in the, in the cutting, the, all right, the amount of time to do that, that's cost out of a back to gush and basking that in west jerusalem if we can gush. and so you have experience negotiating with him as one of the spring, some strengths and weaknesses in these negotiations going forward. yeah, master, very tough negotiators. um it's not much of a negotiation because from upsets the price them to do. and so they basically pretty much stands firm on those demands of the negotiations really on the margins of things of the conditions of the release of prisoners of where they're going to be released to during the ghost ations on the number of prisoners a per type of hostage being reduced, but unless a, as, as opposed to what setting the, he's really media often that protest by the family use or calls for release of hostages increases the price that from us demands. that's usually not the case. the prices usually start very much at the beginning. if we look back at the sleet deal, and the 1000 prisoners that from us commanded was put on the table in december of

2006, about 6 months after sleep was abducted. it took another 5 years before the deal was made in her mouth, never withdrew from the demand for a 1000 prisoners to be released. there were compromises made on the mortalities, but not much on the central demands. all right, addition to stay and that's why you because we're going to cross over now to mom at elementary. he's here in the studio with us now. i mean, these exchanges, as we've seen, mamma doesn't have any caught a golf by her mouth. is this showing perhaps a message of control in gauze? i think you think you've touched on it earlier on. the group hasn't been defeated militarily by israel, despite what, nothing, you know, who else to say about. right? i do think so. i think they're, they're trying to project a sense of control, a sense of confidence, a sense of strength. i think this is a message for uh for palestinians in garza, but i think it's also a message to the outside. i think there are messages there for, for uh,

airbags and most funds, but in particular for uh for his release. i think that i'm as in many ways as tried to sort of embarrass the, the as really government as you've been pointing out. one of netanyahu's up promises, one of his guarantees was that israel would be able to uh, completely eliminate um how this. in fact, last year he said that they were quoted one step away. uh, and the quote from eliminating from us and not clearly wasn't the case on these choreographed exchanges are, are meant to underscore that netanyahu has failed in his mission, at least at least to date. but as i said earlier, um i'm unfortunately not very optimistic, optimistic that we are at the, the end of, of the war. all right, to mom and stay with us. we're going to bringing back mohammed dollar into the discussion mohammed a final thoughts to you on what's been happening in the occupied westbank. because

whilst allies had been on garza israel has been stepping up its attacks right across the occupied westbank. how worried palestinians the about their future when they hear yet more tool of exception by israel of the occupied westbank and now trump talking about a taking over gaza. and yeah, it does very afraid job. tom applies, but it seems on can those bank good think that that what happens in gaza actually might happen to those banks. they sent that from good from day one after october, the 7th, and the 3rd of the so it does radio bombardment in, in, in does up. and that's fine. i wasn't sure that this is actually accurate that, that this is there. but after seeing what's going on now, in different terms, the respect in different but i've seen in cities one after the other, a community that destruction the killing, the usage of new listings and tactics. the proving to look up the

the feeling that not only contents of destruction, of infrastructure and buildings, both so in terms of the transfer from students endorsed by, i'm getting afraid that what the, what the top i said about does up my actually i'll send you new specs and this is an existing show for the 1st few years, of course, or some of the students think that through the prime minister is doing what he's doing. okay with the military and both sides because he was actually too good. he wants to stop the be, he was hoping that the practice is that he's practicing those bank might actually impose on how much some kind of for halting the deed that is happening just now. and then he can't blame it on somebody has not interested in their facility, mama, daughter of schumann, why it's more of the talking to us from occupied eastern,

just a moment for that. thank you. this person i have a to get some bass going to bring you back in the conversation gusting because these are your prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, and many of his right be mr. zip code for assumption of the war against time us. why would, how much then use up it's leverage of exchanging captives with israel when his world seems bent on resuming the war once the captives have been free in any way. so i think that 1st of all from us really wants to demonstrate that they're in control of gaza. israel made a deal with from us. it's the most, it has to deliver the hostages from us as trying to demonstrate that they are still in charge of gaza and try to deliver the hostages. i, by the way, would not over estimate the, the pictures that we're seeing in terms of the success from us, of surviving this very long war. what we're seeing is a show of force, but i don't think it really reflects the power that from us do less lifting gaza. none of the less from us has these really soldiers that are, will be voting for the final stages of video. and that's the main bargaining card

that they have as long as they're holding us really hostages. they have leverage over israel and they will continue to hold this rarely hostages until the very end of this war, assuming that this will bring it into the war. okay, gushing back in the middle east, director of the international communities organization doesn't have many, many thanks for your time. that's bringing up for a final thoughts mohammed of mastery here in the studio moment. so the trump administration has said, you know, that it wants to see the captive exchanges be allowed to continue. what we're seeing, unfolding our screen today. but is that the only thing that's holding this thing is fine it together now? and i think so. i mean, i, you know, in many ways i think the united states and israel wants to sort of have their cake and eat it too. they want all of these really captives back, but then they want all of israel's and game goals achieved as well. and that's what we've been seeing and hearing this week, we're talking about now the resumption of the war and then even just kind of ethnic cleansing, plan for your guys. and so as i was saying earlier,

i have real concerns now about not only will we get to stage 2 of the cease fire, but when we even be able to finish phase one. because as i said, i'm just not sure what the incentive is for the palestinian side to to continue for us if they're being told that they are going to be number one designated as a governing force or governing body. and also as a military fighting force on the one hand and that the palestinians are going to be removed uh from, from the gaza strip on the other. all right, so i'm about at about 3 mom. it always good to get your thoughts and you and i was to say as they watch these events unfold on a screens that's bringing back, i'll just there was some dissolute life from the jordanian capital, a man. and she's reporting from that because he's really government and policy no authority, a band out as they are from reporting inside israel and the occupied westbank. and us, we've been talking to you all morning. how about the announced some hours ago. the names of these trees really kept has to be released,

but there was some problems with announcing off those names. what, what do we know about the captive set to be released shortly as well? there's been a lot of back and forth between israel and have us in recent weeks about the ceasefire since since the actually phase one came into implementation, there had been accusations of violations there. been accusations of not bringing in and of aid, which we do know is true because there aren't enough tens that have gone in only 2 percent of the thousands of temporary structures that were supposed to go into housed palestinians who are living now essentially on the rubble of their destroyed homes. after 15 months of conflict, those tense didn't go in only 2 percent, went in. israel also says about how much so violated the agreements by not giving the names of the captives before 4 pm local time on friday, which is why we still do not have the list of palestinian prisoners who are set to

be released. but nonetheless, what we know is that 3 is really civilian men are set to be released as part of this exchange deal. this is the 5th one overall that has happened in phase one that is expected to last 42 days and ends on march 1st. and we also know that negotiations for phase 2 of the deal, we're a little bit delayed. those were supposed to start on the 16th of january. and benjamin netanyahu did say that you sending a team to joe hall to speak about space. 2 of this deal come up out already confirmed about a week ago that these negotiations had already restarted, that they were in talks with mediators about what's to come next thing that they were committed to the deal. however, since benjamin netanyahu trip to washington to meet with the american president, a lot has shifted within these really government and within these really public as well. because you have members of the far right who have been calling a for a complete take over of the gaza strip for legal settlements. and then once you

have this idea from the us president to essentially take over it from an american standpoint. so in american occupation of gaza, there's been some change. so benjamin netanyahu had reportedly said that he's not interested in space too, unless there's a total defeat of him us, which is why he was endorsing you as president donald trump's idea for a post war scenario. in gaza however, you also have members of missing yahoo, who's right when government, who said they have been left his coalition yet because he has promised them or returned to fighting a return to work. after phase one of these deals, i would see the release of only $33.00 is really captive in exchange for around 2000 palestinians prisoners. i'll remind you that there are still 79 captives who are being held in gaza. many of them civilians, but also many military members of is really forces as well, which are set to be released in the 2nd phase of this deal. but the from it is really standpoint, these really public says that they want this deal to be seen in its entirety. and

what that means is they're trying to put pressure on their government and places like hostage square in the center of tel aviv where they've been protesting weekly . and they come out every single week to watch the release of these captives from gaza and watch them drive over back to israel. and then go into the hands of this really forces where they're ultimately lifted to a hospital to be reunited with their families. but there has been a lot of back and forth in this deal, but it's not surprising because there's been a lot of back and forth throughout the entire war in general. and throughout the entire months, these negotiations were ongoing. i'll remind you that this is the exact deal that was on the table back in may of 2024. and these really public says that even though it's a little late, it's still good that it came at a time where they could implement it. that is honda, so hey, it's joining us from a mine in georgia and how many things indeed had of them or a kyle, you'll watching out of their.