a r e. uh let's uh, speak to you all on that note. i mean, this is a clear on the scoring by how a mass of what that position is, the total victory for messing yahoo isn't elusive unobtainable. well, certainly i think that's from us is message, but i think this exchange of messages fails before reality on the ground, particularly when the reality is con. contrasted with the general fantastic vive, that has been given off by washington and jerusalem over the past few days. reality on the ground is the images that we're saying. it's the is really a prisoner's returning send. it may see that obviously having suffered greatly during their time and captivity, which the palestinian prisoners are returning some after decades in prison. some snatched randomly from gaza without any terrorist contacts. i think it's small. even let me pause you that for a 2nd because um i want to take stock of some of the images that we're seeing on

our screen. so the moment. so we're looking at off the prison and the occupied westbank. it is where of course, so many palestinians are on the, is ready custody of being detained. we are obviously looking at some coaches that we know from previous releases from off of prison, but then some of those released, i'll put on board coaches and then driven from the prison. we all yet to establish whether that is exactly what we're. we're looking at right now, but as i'm sure you will know, we are anticipating the release of a 183 palestinians sometime very soon off the prison. of course, this reminders and the occupied westbank can already have back to you and you were talking us through the. is there any response to this define message from us that they are the ones that will define the future of gauze, or that any attempt to assume that this is simply a, that the title of victory with any within any way be achievable is

a complete policy and then again, maybe i have to go back to the images that were saying which are really the most real saying here, this entire exchange of messages about. ready over the narratives most as early as today are concerned with the very poor physical condition of the returning prisoners of returning hostages. call them what your likes. and i think that is an important point to consider because uh, this is, this is what's real. and in many said in, in many senses the, that the slogan that we heard from the gardens returning to north guys, as all of the fuck, the return is true, is also true. and the is really context every, all of these grandiose statements made by trump that have absolutely no basis in reality, except for the legit them is i legitimize ation of ethnic cleansing, all the sympathy that we've heard from as early as over the past few days. these tell before the images of the returning prisoners,

israelis and the palestinians. i think it's very important to focus on that reality . and i think that reality is powerful enough to undermine just about every 60 should statement. we might hear over the next week, 23. again, i'm not suggesting that these statements are not serious or should not be taken seriously. suggesting that what we're seeing with their own eyes is much more powerful and much more real. a thanks a lot or a so just to remind you is what we're looking at here. a clear coat show leaving off of prison then the occupied westbank. it is an icy. see boss, a red cross boss that we know the previous release is much my chevy run into conflicts that we used to bring detainees, prisoners, and is there any jails to freedom will confirm exactly who is on the bus by down very soon indeed, but a bit earlier on we did see some heavily armed is ready vehicles heading in the direction of, of, of prison. we understand they're being sent in that to try and quell any kind of

sense of jubilation or celebration. the strategies probably by team to stage manage the release of these prisoners themselves and very much the same way that a mass of fights isn't. because uh, being very keen to show a show of force during the release of 3, they say the captives already around just to remind you, expecting a $183.00 palestinian prisoners to be released or have been mailed. the youngest 21, the oldest, 61, a 111 palestinians, who a said to be released with obtained from gaza since the war started. let's pretend to mohammed because all of this has implications about where we go next. in terms of the c spot, we're midway through stage was the day 21 of the 42 day period. where are we in terms of negotiating phase 2, because the recent days have been 2 major stumbling bunk, specially,

accusations from a mass good causes and not getting the right level of age into the strip given the bad weather. shortage of tents permanent. i'm semi permanent housing and secondly, of course, what donald trump's had to say, yeah, i, i think actually both of those messages can be read together and it's, it's possible. i mean, i can't, i can't, i can't get into the heads of the homeless leadership. but as possible, but the homeless leadership is reading that as a very clear signal from the is rarely side or the is rarely american side. depending on how you, how you want to look at it. that they're, that they have no intention whatsoever of moving to 2 phase 2. right? i mean, if we're talking on the one hand, if israel's talking about, you know, continuing the war, they're still talking about total victory, eliminating from us. and on the, on, on the other hand you have trump and yahoo talking about basically an ethnic cleansing plan. then, you know, it really does throw a big wrench into plans for phase 2 or not. i think just putting it lightly. so the

question that i've been asking and that we've been talking about all morning is, you know, to what extent might come us be calculating that it's not worth going forward with the rest of the, or the phase one agreement. because it, it will witness come off basically give up some of their if you bargaining chips for lack of a better phrase. and in return for what, you know, especially as long as they have captives, they have as leverage i've, as right. they have so at least have some leverage and, and if you're from us, you at least have to be grappling with that question. why give up the leverage when we're being promised and return uh, you know, complete designation and assessment cleansing and have a policy that, cuz i wanna refer to these pictures here. these are live images from outside the, the european hospital in gaza. this is essentially the point of return for some palestinian prisoners who will be returning. of course, that's a goes

a $111.00. we understand it would detain from guys are heading back the fund, drafted the medical checks out of the room and the international committee of the red cross. so of course, the neutral come the way in which this exchange takes place. and we understand now just to confirm those are the pictures of a coach leaving of a prison in the occupied west bank. the 1st batch of palestinian prisoners is now a as of now being released a $183.00. in total. we don't know exactly how many people on that couch, but who will of course, keep a close eye on that. so how many back back to you we were talking about. so i'm, i'm asked calculating what's trumps. words may mean what as well as long time goals may mean and whether or not it really makes any sense. if we're talking apparently about negotiations and moving forward, waive any kind of sense of a gauze or that is run by palestinians of potentially the abbas being lacking any

kind of incentives to, to, to release a comp, davis. given that at the end of the day, what the trumpet suggesting is being controlled by the americans. right. and that's, that's kind of what i'm, what i'm getting at, you know, for all of their faults. and i think that we can certainly criticize from us on, on, on multiple grounds, right. but they have tried to remain relatively flexible during this during, during this process. remember back all the way in october of 2023, they put forth a proposal, a ceasefire proposal this this exchange, or some version of it was, has been on the table for, for now going on 1616 months in terms of postwar garza, they've been flexible on that as well. as i mentioned earlier, they have 2 proposals on the table, one technocratic sort of committee or council that would run guys another proposal for a unity government. i think they have some kind of pride medic understanding that

they need to step to the side of the problem here. and this has been the problem for for 16 months. is that the other side is real along with united states. i do not have serious intent on ending the war, at least not. and not so far as i, as i can tell now, i hope i'm proven wrong and i hope that we can get to get to stage 2. but right now i, i really, i really have my doubts a system where does not leave the efforts of mediators capital at egypt to full of a sudden the foundations of home, which these, because she agents of being based upon of completely shifted. yeah, some of the original terms of the agreement allow for the continuation of the seas for as long as the parties are talking to each other. so i think the emphasis is going to be put placed by the mediators on trying to give them engaged as much as possible. uh, going back to what? nothing yeah, hold on,

trump announced at the superficiality of it. and the ridiculousness of the, of the proposal has actually exposed the agenda and probably home to the come the condition, the, the position of both united states and is more than it's helped. because it now is showing the rest of the world that these guys are not serious. and for them there, one who is a, a, has just come out of lots of quotes in the united states and being actually condemned in new york for criminal act. and the other one is being, is wanted by the i c, c. and they're coming and they're coming up with a game in legal propositions. that's no one will take it seriously and for them to undertake this population transfer. the 1st thing is to find a destination for the population to go to and as long as egypt and jordan backed up very important, they buy so good idea. keep the to the position that know we're not going to open

our borders. then i think the policy is still have a chance to move into phase 2 and potentially even rise 3. well, let's put that. so to our am. but before we do, just to remind you what we're looking at here, this is uh, the main gate of, of the prism, the built by the west bank, the prison, the cost where many of the posting in detainees of business all set to be released . the 1st batch we know have been already released and some of those a 111 in total to count should from gaza, arrested in gaza, heading back that the you are beginning hospital eventually to be looked off to the already i just wonder from what we've just said from so time about whether it's ro, really cares about. well, the international community thinks about all of this, knowing that they have a very big, powerful mind. donald trump, in the white house, essentially going much, much further than perhaps even the most far right. elements of israel's

own leadership open lead to to go as well based on what as hurry, since the assessors bar across the street allow me to cautiously drawn almost completely opposite scenario. donald trump is not a very big man. he does not have a lot of executive strength. his plan was rolled back almost immediately after it was given. there's no sign that the americans are committing to any kind of initiative on the ground. and that is not coincidental. and perhaps the most important point is, israel's inherent weakness is or may not care, but is a, is not in a position to renew the war, is the israeli military is probably in the worse condition that has ever been despite trumps commitment to renewing arms ships the state of discipline of the state of lead leadership is an all time low. the tension between the military and this and how's government is very high. the settlers who have,

who are beside themselves with joy over trumps plan. well, they have hitched their wagon to many of imaginary verses over time, and they has been disappointed in spite of time and time again. and perhaps the most important thing is within the hour something else considering his political future. what he's doing right now is classic move out of the nothing else playbook . he is playing both ends against the middle. he is loading of the hard liners who are, at least for now the, the, the foundation of his to elation. here exactly what they want to hear by saying things to achieve, even he did not commit. mean except for that smirk. when the face of the guys and got his son was mentioned during that press conference, he said absolutely nothing of importance or substance. as ministers are providing guidance for various government organizations that themselves are completely devoid of any kind of practical meaning. so that the now is letting the sellers hear what they want to hear. he is still not approaching the main stream of v as early as

holding. so i'm just going to ask you that. so i was going to see the already already. so i didn't try those, i wanted to, to put that to you. i mean, how in bed each of these trumpia and type a i d, 's and mainstream israeli society do think are all very much so unfortunately, i think most israelis would be of happy if they would, as we say here, woke up one morning and saw the palestinians gone, but that is exactly where i think the point that needs to be made lies is that it is certainly there in terms of conviction. certainly, there is certainly there in terms of idea and let's call it perhaps ideological support, but it's rarely understand full well that they are unable and that the united states is unable to actually carry this out. there is a small vocal minority that may be willing to devote all of those resources for its carrying out this plan that the great majority of his earliest understands very

well, but this is not going to happen. and for them, what's been exposed when they see the images of these early prisoners returning is the tremendous step in bridge of a gap between what they might, the spouse has an idea, what they are able to bear in reality. assault on how bruising do you think these images that we're seeing on the screen of policy and detainees? many hundreds of a sudden being released from his writing detention from off of prison, the symbol of the re, the power and control and the occupied westbank. we know that nothing, no, he's not even gone. so it was a course of total victory. i mean, will this be perceived as a capitulation? so it's must, must be and also is a bit to human 18. i know, and i think come exposing more the is riley system and the injustice that exist. and though think they, they did not dare to have a public release come, asked us, they're doing all this the same way they capture these individuals,

particular ones and guys. so what's the difference between those, that this is what i've captured and what, how much has it captures and made captives in gaza? say both sides of not work out what guilt this person has as is accused off and so on. they just took them as, as, as around a forensic and the, i think it must pay on, on, on a lot of his writing, his mind and terms of the morality. and we have to keep in mind the, the global decline of the way as well as perceived globally at the moment when the really hitting bottom in terms of recognition. uh, they went down from the scene as the only democracy in the middle east to a states that has episode latino standards. uh no friends. many nations have cut them issues. the issues with them and a prime minister who is a, you know, wanted by the i see. so the situation i agree with already is very,

very difficult for these regulations. the mom always seems very, very, very prepared to cold. donald trump's bluff, mom and i, i get the sense that you're slightly cautious about how much to a, how much influence that donald trump may have, particularly in the media landscape. he is given the impression the gaza is israel's to gave and it is america's tight company. that's the fundamental policy. yeah, i mean what worries me and to be clear, i think it's, i agree with what some, some fonts out and also what, what for you. so this is a completely unrealistic plan. i don't think this is going to happen. but what concerns me is that this idea of greater israel is not some fringe idea. it's not some crazy concoction of, of donald trump or that you've, that he thought about. uh, sort of off the car and off the cuff moment. this is something that is deeply ingrained in design. this philosophy in is rarely politics. i know is a very startling polls done this week in israel by the jewish public people policy

institute. and they found that 85 percent of his really jews agree with trump's proposal to basically ethnically cleanse the gaza strip. an out of that, 85 percent. the majority said it should be pursued, in other words, that it's realistic and that it should be pursued. so that does worry me, particularly for the long term, even if it's an unrealistic plan in the short term. and who knows donald trump, she's unpredictable. he might be crazy enough to try to execute something like that . so, you know, obviously it would be a disaster. interesting on that point because he did say and it was best buy a lot of people, but he was going to make some sort of judgment on the shelf in t of the occupied westbank in the coming weeks. and then everybody was so focused on gaza that some, perhaps we didn't look into the implications of, of occasions what he meant by that. what do we expect to last summer or trump was giving a speech in united states to a pro israel group. and he said that israel's borders are 2 smaller, so i looked at a map and i couldn't believe how small israel was was i, you know,

finally we could find a way to expand its borders shortly after that. does a lot of smoke which the finance minister took to twitter or x and he said 2025 is going to be the year of is really sovereignty over. you didn't you say the west bank? he said your data and samaria, but you know, he's talking about all of this territory, the territory that the palestinians are supposed to control. so the real prize for, for israel in many ways is, is the west bank. but there's no doubt in my mind that many in israel, and especially in that political meat, would like to just do away with or the palestinians altogether and take over all of the land. now are you talking to you? i'm just this a, comes up just a great to israel, make israel. is it kind of the status today, a safer place for jews? and again i, i take everything with us on the 3 said and, you know, i, i agree with what he's saying. but the distinction needs to be made, smoked,

which is a political the lead, but there are very several political, the needs. and so the political elite that has been protesting against nothing. now, calling for the return of the hostages, not calling for the end of the war, treats annexation into essentially the greater as well as possibly the greatest hazard facing these early states. not because they care about the experience all as early as apparently are almost all of us share the desire to have the palestinians be gone. that only is only a minority out of french minority and powerful minority, but only a minority. right. once the greater is wrong, once settlements, and that's an important point. why is it an important point? because all of these plans are plans for 101520 years in the future, including trumps play from i don't know if he's crazy or not. and he certainly has the capacity to colorado, the world that i don't see him committing to anything that's already i'm going to ask you to come to kindly pull us for us because we need to take stock of what we

are seeing on our screens. this is ramada and you don't get 5 west by a coach from the international committee of the red cross, the bringing palestinians. detain these prisoners from the office of prison. that to the amount of a large crowd of people gathered that to see the 1st batch of palestinian prisoners of appeal 5 coach posting secuity you understand moving people away. that is really what i want to use to being very, very keen to avoid this. turning into a show strengths, potentially for a mass of out of have a senior on groups. it also seems all to relation in celebration for 18 to stage manage this, but clearly um its a huge challenge of cost to keep large number of numbers. that kind of thing is and ramallah away from seems like this. there we go. the 1st, the whole set to take the 1st step. so let's just listening to see

right the way we have what appears to be the 1st person to be for us the coach carried by looks like a to remember the passing security there. remember the, the red cross, natalie? my, we know the oldest person to be released out of this a $183.00. and

a group of prisoners is 61 years old. the youngest to be $21.00. clearly this a man in a frail conditioned middle like a box which in the tank was being carried to find we know a 111 by the sinews who were sent to be released with the change from jobs that i was some patients to do to solve it, sir. i see in the last 15 months. interesting to note that most of the posting and prisoners who does change from gaza. there we go. few more prisoners to release the one or 2 of them wearing. i'm assuming this goes because it was saying some of those who were arrested in gaza were actually taken to the victoria's kids. the prison. i was just to remind you was in the negative desert. it was the subject of the investigation by is really human rights groups and including bip 7, the alleged sexual mental and physical abuse. they're 18 people who are setting licenses, will have been serving life sensors for committing deadly attacks and says, 7,

we understand a sense to be the policy. it's already, i'd like to speak to you about the significance of this moment hopelessly. this is a moment of to relation uh for the families of those who are being released. it is a significant moment to find us to use as of people, irrespective of where people might be on the political spectrum. and what does this mean or the israel i'm just really is. why not very little are, these are not exposed to these images. if they are, there is a very intense propaganda machine. honestly, broadcasting that calls costs the rooms, at least are murders terrace. the through can and should be no comparison between these are these palestinian prisoners and whose early prisoners who were just released because these early prisoners are innocent civilians. halls house for

means are soldiers. his best interest of where we are completely in service, veterans to the purchase of the smoking for the past, has sold to annual thoughts, looking at these pictures on the screen. so right now, well i, i think it's really difficult to, to say how read some of these people would feed particular those. so returning to 2 guys, there will be seeing guys in a very different way into very different flights. the destruction with the no, but some of the members, they've lost a suspect, so lots of them and i've loved some family members, friends and so on. and they will come into this madness of talk about the population transfer. so they'll be a lot of uncertainty to the ones that are released with long sentences and us to be deported. i think they will be under do a stripe from is 0. and those are,

these have said right from the very beginning. let them know said that you will go off to of civically, anyone and everyone. and they will be the targets are for assessing nation. so again, it depends on where they are released to and what responsibility to the pulse, countries are willing to take for their protection. but it's an important step. it's not the end of the story as well as we all know can capture hundreds and thousands of policy is whenever they feel like it. and they will take them without any the due process in terms of so forth. so so, but, so it's is important for the, for the individuals on the front. i'm in to so, so i'm just saying that being released is, are saying and she usually important moment now huge relief for those who feelings . ready. child is a huge relief for the families as well, but it's no guarantee of a lifelong social security and safety. for these who are being released from is

ready to send, you know, then there's a huge risk of, of rear rest. right. and these people are all been warned against celebrating and also against talking about their, their treatment or how they were treated inside inside prison. some of them are the families threatened. and so i certainly got risk exists, but i wanted to just quickly draw attention to the fact that it's interesting that go to 0 is covering the release is on both sides. and i think that's what i'll just hear has been doing for a few weeks. and i think that's how, how it should be. um, you know, there should be a level of human ization on, on both sides. but in the research that i've done on western media outlets like cnn and bbc, there's almost no attempt to humanize the palace and inside. and actually even i was shocked looking at the data even some, even though i found it was very, very closely with the quantitative disparities are really stunning. there is a great deal of emphasis on is really victims and their families. and there's

almost no emphasis on palestinian victims and their families. and so as we taking these images, i think that's important to, to keep in mind. and also what hoary was saying about is really media because it is really media. there's almost no emphasis on the human ization of the, of the, of the palestine here. that's a really interesting point. mohammed didn't, let's take that even further with them to solve it tuesday and they need capital m on our teams reporting that because that is males bound us from porting and israel and posting thoughts each task spend to somebody else applied westbank and it is very, very important this, we look at these pictures to provide some context, provide some identities, the most importantly, to humanize these individuals, can you give us a sense of some of the names, some of the people who are being released from is ready to tension, right? that's right. the bus you're seeing now is around $42.00 different palestinian men,

many of which reside in the occupied west bank. and there will also be a boss that will head to gaza. that has $27.00 palestinians on it 20 from guns and 7 of which are set to be deported. and then the 3 remaining prisoners will be heading to their homes and occupy east jerusalem. but before we even get into their names, it's important to know that these families of the prisoners have been threatened. their homes have been rated their family members injured by the is really forces reading their homes, threatening them, telling them not to celebrate what is going on. not to celebrate the fact that these prisoners are being released. and additionally, these real prison service had released a statement before this had all even gone into effect before this went into fruition saying that they were trying to limit all expressions of palestinian joy. so just imagine that statement as a whole, that a prison service that a government entity is trying to limit expressions of joy among people whose loved

ones have been detains, many of which detained for no reason at all, for no charge or trial under this very controversial policy of administrative detention where they can be held for a long period of time and that the attention can be renewed. but let's get into some of the names here that are being released today. first, we have genetic, but we'll of 61 year old t how mass figure who has been now released as part of this deal. but he actually was in poor health. so he was taken to a hospital right away, a for a medical evaluation as part of his detention 2nd. we have chevy about a whole days 47 years old, who spent it 22 years out of his 27 year sentence and is really jails. his father, he also a former prisoner, was actually injured this morning by is really forces who rated the family home, threatening them, telling them that there can be no celebrations. and finally, one of the most notable names is a med of what a major 45 from

a refugee camp in the bethlehem, a prominent figure in fact there. but when we talk about these prisoners, these are people who are.