the end of the listing, anything like, sorry, no pressure, they were instrumental in helping the president when the election, driven by self interested play is fast put their after non profits for people susceptible to government control. this propaganda is designed to inflame and defense the way that the story is being told. it's not right, and it's not accurate from social networks to legacy media. the listening post exposes the forces behind the headlight on out. just bear with us president donald trump is accusing south africa of human rights violations against its white farmers . he's counter assistance that includes critical h, i v medication. but why is he targeting south africa and what role the south african bone a long must claim this. this is inside story, the

hello welcome to the program. i'm adrian sending us president. donald trump assigned an executive order. suspending direct assistance to south africa. he cited a law that allows the south african government to seize farm land and its genocide case against israel at the international court of justice where his decision trumps or also directs the state department to help are for kind of an ethnic group descended from european settlers to refugee programs, south african vulnerability and advise that a trump a little musk is also accusing the country of what he calls openly, racist, land ownership laws. the president several run opposed to assess the effect on the ground. tell a different story. white south africans make up a little over 7 percent of the population, but they own 70 percent of all privately own farmland. so what's behind trump to move to go off to south africa and is humanitarian. they've been weaponized, we'll get to a guest in just a moment. but 1st, a report from joel evans of numerous friends have been covered before within hours

of taking office president donald trump signed an executive order, freezing over an aide for 90 days. his pen strode ton the lives of 8500000 h i v. patients who are receiving treat from the usa. i d, sunday clinics in south africa. upside down. we are concerned about the potential impact of the decision by the united states government to suspend some of its funding for each of the n t b programs in african countries. previous us administrations had prioritized widespread free access to entry retroviral treatment in 2003 president george w bush established pep file. that's the presidents emergency plan for age release is considered one of the most successful for an 8 programs in history and is estimated to save more than 26000000 lives and 55 countries. high gallery logic.

that is not just h i v funding that's at the heart of the dispute between the us and south africa. trump also for those direct assistance to the country. so i think the controversial that allows the south african government to seize farmland, in rare cases without compensation moves that donald trump says is on fairly targeting white farm is terrible. things are happening and the terrible thing, horrible. diamond confiscating with white south africans who are small minority still out in the vast majority of farmland which has been a source of racial tensions for decades. the president, remo poser says he's country is resilient and will not be bullied. pups has this

resilience and decades of apartheid rule that underlined south africa's most recent moves on the international stage. in late 2023 south africa lawrence the case of the international court of justice accusing israel of genocide and gaza. the court concluded that it was plausible that as rose actions in gaza could amount to genocide and trump use the case to accuse south africa of taking an aggressive position towards the us and its allies, ro, joel evans, out to 0 to inside story the . so let's bring in, i guess, since today they're all joining us from south africa in johannesburg as monk haywood national and global health specialist in stolen bush turn the a g. well, a specialist on constitutional prophecy. oh, i didn't cape town, not a need for a political analyst and formed a member of parliament for the amc on the president, nelson mandela. welcome to you, will melanie? let's start with you. is humanitarian aid being with an iced by the trump

administration? oh yes, clearly it is because, you know, we are a sovereign nation. we are a democratic nation and we have to ride shortly to determine some of our domestic conferences. but what makes us even more troubling is the fact that it's concrete table based on voltage. and, and it's completely arbitrary, and there has been no expropriation of land in south africa since 1994. of course there was lots got reformed expropriation from colonial times. and under a package there has been 0, compensate postal code, any form of expropriation or profit lined in south africa since 1994. and it would have been one of the most popular things for the end to government to have done more if they wanted to. but they didn't, they chose not to. so it is just completely an attorney falls and i'm sure some of the other kids will show it to today too, as well. it isn't completely in line with the constitution. there was no change in

the government's policy of keeping up with a willing by a willing solace. and it is also in line completely with the most democratic countries and the roost. is expropriation roles including that of america. i'm a u. k. and ireland and your opinion. so to use a in such a crude arbitrary manner to apparently on each the south african government. but of course actually just punishing the purpose of the for is really, really the wrong thing to do. and he's talking you recognizing the amenities, what's he punishing south africa? full. what, what, what's your suspicion here? what, what's the motivation behind this? well, i think 1st of all, what happened is that a very small light wings a grouping install that africa does change to be on the also for, for columns people. and can i just say i'll for cons and they certainly don't speak on my be off and, but that they have had your writing st. james in america. and then of course,

president trump is one of the 1st time things like this happened. it also happened under trump one and, and presumably that are pretty long. and, and they, so, you know, that's the 1st thing that i think happened. they put thing pushing their own agenda or whatever that might be. i think that's now that's traveling a little bit because i've seen that this is not like working out the way they wanted it to. i mean, possibly they could be other things such as the, i think the case was, you know, that's been rolled up a number of times and that this is also punishment pulled up. mark, what does the freezing of a mean for anyone dealing with the an h i v. positive. so states was in south africa, or indeed those suffering with a, it's well, most simply, it is a stretch to the life and health of tens of thousands of people living with h. i v in south africa, you know, 2 weeks ago, a whole range of organizations that have been receiving stable funding from pep far

. we've received, let's was ordering an immediate cease to work the day off to 16000 health care work cuz and then additional number of people who provide that administrative support stopped providing health care services up on the order of the us government because of the fund. those people were working in 27 high, but the high prevalence districts, those institutions provide critic critical research, critical training, critical monitoring, and critical infrastructure. and you know, so that for guys, the biggest i tried the epidemic in the world. 7.8000000 people. we've had a very successful h i v treatment response with that supports of the united states. i must say, we've managed to get nearly 6000000 people on to treatment but know, providing perhaps one that was biggest

h i p a one of the walls because medical programs overall is always very fragile ways, very vulnerable. and this threatens to bring pots of its crushing down. so, as melanie said, this is what, but not using a few monetary, an aide, and hitting the most vulnerable the most defense, less and is going to cause a lot of illness and suffering of a feeling. if you bounce that by my next question, boxes, which is, can south africa a continue to afford to treat those who are h, i v positive? could it, could it absorb the shock? does it need external funding? a spine actually it could possibly absorb the shock, which is very different from a neighboring countries, legs and bob later on, malawi. well, that's one who i was so dependent financially. yes. but as i tried to explain, you know, the health care workers who have been ordered to stop, look,

i'm not replaceable, you know, you, you can, you can, you can, you can replace but money for medicines, but you can't replace the expertise, the institutional memory, the understanding of the health care system and that's where we are going to pay a heavy price. you know, if i can just say i, i'm on the board of directors about an organization called the treatment actually campaign, which was nominated for a nobel peace prize for its work on a try. the 20 years ago, the t i c has received substantial funding for clinic monitoring and to try to make sure that the quality of clinics is maintained to enable people to take that treatment regularly as we speak. now, the treatment action campaign is under an order which we received on friday to put a 140 stuff on immediate suspension to stop cold programs and it is a threats to the life and the future of the,

of the treatment action campaign. that's how multi dimensional and serious this punitive, inexplicable measure is, let's bring it in terms of you then. thanks for your patience tunzia. why is this land expropriation act so controversial? important to remember the background of the act, right? it's obviously bead into place as a boat for the past 5 years though, but also trying to remember the fact that it's been into place in a different form of a bill from 2008. so it's being really contentious, but there's one main section that seems to be putting a lot of people in the sort of discomfort. and that's the section that relates to the compensation. right. and that section talks about the new compensation, the fact that you can expropriate with no compensation. and that seems to be put in a lot of people with discomfort because it talks about just and equitable compensation. and it also has no compensation under certain circumstances. it's

important to not listen to propaganda and to list those circumstances. one of those examples would be if the land is abandoned and the circumstances we would be looking at where people haven't paid rates, we just sold some rates for us on ends. or if it can be proven that the land has been abandoned, or if the land disposing some sort of risk, right? so they are not. we're not looking at farm land. in those cases, even though donald trump seems to be constantly talking about like the land owners in terms of farmland, that's not what we're looking at here. but yet, because it has been so much propaganda about these farm owners, this seems to be the main issue with the act at the moment being the compensation in this case. so let's get something straight. a time that is south africa, confiscating land to quotes president trump from sucking classes which are treated

very badly. he said there are 2 main parts of the statement, right? a south africa confiscating land. absolutely not. right. expropriation of land is not, can you? neither in south africa, no around the world, expropriation of that exists in america as well. and it happens very routinely. secondly, in south africa, under the new act, then has not to be an expropriated gate, and served me when we read the act, which i need to stressed of many people have not done in south africa. and i would be surprised if the donald trump, himself has actually bid the act because the act does not refer to race, right? it does not refer to a specific race of land owners. it talks about the kind of property. this seems to be a sort of inference from people around the world talking about the fact people in south

africa talking about the fact that it's referring to certain kinds of land owners. it doesn't just throw to base. so no. so that's it. that is not confiscating that there is a procedure that needs to take place. the procedure almost has 18 sorts of steps. the test to step in practical will test to measure the compensation that goes in. there are so many steps that goes in and it has to comply with the constitution. that is absolutely no all be true. the confiscation of land that is going on in expropriation is a very routine in every democratic state around the world to very normal the they are. so you laughing when i was questioning the president, trump the yes because it is so upset. i mean, and i think also the africans we con, decide to resolve about it, or can we cry about it if it wasn't for the rest of the military and effects that it's having, it's actually lawful because of anything. this other african government has been bending backwards to make sure that there is no discrimination by sunrise since

1994. and today, if you look at this country, still disproportionately flights. and also that includes doctor con, speaking was still benefits from bitch brandon. and so the intergenerational benefits that they can read from above take those, they are still in proportion to fall african afterwards. the majority of blackstone, african sage, black south african still hasn't been the, the burden of not any pharmacy, but also violence of bad health care, etc. if there are certain classes in this country, which is treated badly, it is certainly not the wife's quite the opposite. and, and it's, you know, it is, it is with, like i said in the beginning just completely based on, on photos. um, also you know, about formatting tonight. well sir, i'm glad that the, the biggest big goals are corrected. the fact that this is not about from them. and it's, you know, i have both, my families come from farming background,

skip this active mode of a phone. and in fact the government is follow a show of urban and very urban man. so to create this impression that the world wide farmers are now being attacked by government is just why it's in general is just not correct ability. i'll be back with you in just a 2nd to just for the break away to, to, to read you a tweet that on wednesday, us secretary of state, marco rubio posted on x, saying that he would attend the g 20 summit and drive his book. he wrote south africa is doing very bad things, expropriating private property using g 20 to promote solidarity equality and sustainability. and other was d. i and climate change. my job is to advance america's national interest, not waste tax pay on money, or cultural anti americanism. what do you make of that relations between south africa in the u. s. has been to to a rating for, for quite some time. if this, if this didn't stop under the but the trump administration is that in may 2023. the

us on passive to south africa, accused the country of supplying weapons to russia for its war against ukraine through a cargo ship. the doctor, a naval base near near cape town. this has been going on for some time, has net. yes it has. and i don't think it is so the for goes to values, relationships with america. it's not that semester guide, you know, they are major trading partners of partner phones. so it is important for us to keep relationships. but i think what needs to be very cautious and when it, when it becomes quite a power and sets everything around the foreign policy to comes transactions from one apology and another person and said where they then becomes the, where you say it's a very distinct possibility. but this is just being bullied in, in a certain direction. and so the africans, as most of africans, very sensitive about the idea of being us too big, full, full aid. and i, and i think this has been something that has been bugging south africa. the last

and yes, you are right that the previous and passages accusations which according to governments research and it deep investigations think was not true. cost a lot of damage because it also caused a lot of economic damage to our country within a couple of days. so yes, relationships are not being that strong, but i think so the for goes talking to, to both of those relationships, bus driver position of strength, not from a position of weakness. and you know, like i said, having to go and to be in a sense of being, you know, wanting to bank, they wish the american government for a to know what are we to buy cuz they don't bucks claims that only 10 percent of foreign assistance dollars actually reach the reaches the communities that are intended to help the implication being but the remaining 90 percent is diverted, stolen or wasted? it sounds from what you were saying earlier. every penny of the money that south

africa gets from the us is being spent incredibly wisely. yeah, i mean, i don't know where the loan must get his facts. so cool. think strong because they are totally wrong and statements like that's uh frankly, that's a nonsense and he should be put to prove them. um, i can say, you know, with the h i v program that that money is very well spent and that it does save lives and it plays an absolutely critical role in a health care system because you know, so that for co, as with many developing countries have a much higher burden of disease than many developed countries. you know, pop from h i v with dealing with malaria, we're dealing with to bucket losses. we're dealing with more rare and neglected diseases. we've got academics of non communicable diseases like cancer like diabetes. so we really are in

a well wind. so this type of global support from the united states and from other countries really helps. and it helps as well at the time when our country is financially constrained, all our house budgets cannot meet the demands of people and health as a global issue. as we've seen with cobit 19, actually it's in the united states interest to support disease prevention and disease treatment all over the world because in the 21st century, disease no longer stinks within national boundaries. so this type of approach, ultimately nothing needs it based on lies and this information, but it will prove to be self defeating of the american people as well. and that that will be an opposite tragedy. what and what kind of impact will and you, you've outlined how it's going to go to affect people in, in south africa. what, what kind of impact will the cutting of aid have upon people throughout,

throughout the region. but it will be devastating. people are already going to clinics and they are no longer able to get the treatment that they know that the medicines are no longer being purchased. it strengthens a very, very serious set back in the a try the academic, you know, we have been gradually, gradually gaining control over h. i the globally for the last 20 years. this comes perhaps as the biggest threats . and remember, you know, we, we've been focused on cobit 19 and other threats, but the h i, b and demick has not gone away. h, i, b has not seized and it's very, very lens. it does not see that it's impact 17, if people stop taking on to retroviral treatment, then they become more infectious because one of the benefits of benefit to retroviral treatment, which is paying for in many countries by the pet full pet file program, is it reduces what's called viral load infective,

a t. so treatment has of prevention benefits. it has a containing benefits on the a try the epidemic. and again, you know, in an era of pandemic threats. one of the things that well does not want to have to deal with is a research and h i v epidemic. and super close insipid that make that goes, goes with it. so it is just so tragic and so stupid to take measures like, like, like this it's, it's home is enormous to somebody. let's go back to this issue of, of land. expropriation, why is land ownership still is such a contentious issue? 30 years off to the end of a positive. that's because that's something you've mentioned earlier when we started, which is the fact that basically there hasn't been much of a dent in land ownership brought. it's very must be skewed towards the white population at the moment. so obviously in 1994, when a positive ended, there was

a higher level of land ownership with the white population and not so much so with the black population. and that's including with the india relation and colored population. as time went on, the indian population has managed to kind of a little bit higher over the, a social cost extra lawns and manage through the financial market to be able to buy more land, but not so much. so with the colored population and the black population, dr. unfortunately, lines are full, has failed. it has been way too, so, and the same can be said about the housing program. and it has been left with black people having defend their way through the private so. so the private mach housing market, they have been having to buy their way to the market, and that's been absolutely impossible with the rates of inflation. and with the evening housing market, it has absolutely been even possible for them to be able to make it so full. and what has happened is the fact that now we are absolutely left with in full

settlements, and i rate, so they're no longer patient. which then means that we have absolutely millions of people who are lenses in south africa. so what this means is that we have very high rates of land ownership amongst a small white population, right, and highlights of land listening amongst the black population and the failing land reform program. so all this me is allowed to choose a very contentious install of africa and would even we have so same as mine as water tools. and expropriation active seeks to make a minor dent, and none of those mentioned, it's called a so much a people that we have right wing groups go into other countries to try and close some a people in this sort of africa. it's obviously as close as even more attention, right. it's some sort of contention in the psyche of south africa that we can

absolutely not detached from the person. whether they come back to south africa and boeing a long mosque. i think we, we, we will, we will have the suspicion that perhaps president trump is being influenced by, by mosque. how did people, the in south africa feel about him and his motivations before i get to 9 months, maybe just 2 points. the one is of course, that it is so important for us to deal with all land issue because if we don't, we so what happened is about that. and so it is really, really important, the thought advocate for the stupidity of south african also of a region deals with its lives issues in a job fair way, which will continue to do, but it has to deal with it because be like some of the way was decades off to democracy and still have divorce in charge of land in the hands office of the privileged minority groups. and so yeah, just also want to say, even though okay, far makes out, the majority of funding in south africa is also going to note that the other funding of $65.00 is, for example, wildlife crime funding has been cancelled from now as part of the package and that

is a very big program for us is wanting to fix the whole region equally so. so funding changes have been costs. and then also we're seeing a very rapid decline in philanthropy funding, which is not through the state, but following the 9. 0, you know it's, it's sort of the same straight as the government around, you know, last quote, i think so there are for guns. oh, it's hard to say what sort of africans in general, i think there are definitely some people in i came of course i'm but they are such a new, huge amounts of africans. and i think that is growing dramatic. please. since the weekend, who really do not appreciate, what are you saying about so don't forget what he is, what is what he has be now causing southern africa. i mean, he had lifting so that for to, for aware and i'm time the fact that his grandparents cancel coming to preparing to, you know, to dubious political because it is a problem. and so, so africans, are you kidding me from not a final answer. hey, well, global platform. okay. you're on. i'll just say we're right now. what is your

message to the trump administration and the people of the us who think that somehow coming aid like this is a good idea. my message is a simple, again, it is receiving this executive order info tablets. he immediately resumed funding to south africa and 2 of the developing countries resuming funding to the world health organization which place and absolutely critical coordinating role within the world and my message to the people of america. if the president chooses not to listen to us is use every means within your democratic power for false change because we all one weld. our pain will become your pain before too long. we depend upon your solidarity and support

as country is what they've been historically disadvantaged. and we stand with you in all of your efforts to restore genuine democracy, to the united states of, of america on the, we must end it manufacturing date, not kaywood tabio, j. well, i'm gonna need forward thanks for watching the continue the program again at any time by going to the websites at all, just 0 talk. com for further discussion. join us on our facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story out. of course you can join the conversation on x a handle. that is at a inside story from me, adrian sitting on the team here. and so have thanks for watching. we'll see you again, bye. for now, the, the pumps agenda includes everything from tax cuts to immigration,

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