i also became d r e c. the be students and a totally the timeless journey. the french president has described the artificial intelligence so much in power as, as a wake up cold. he's the only thing you're up to get more competitive in a field dominated by the us in china. so is this the beginning of a golden age of innovation, or technology will of a new cost? this is inside store, the hello can only james bays and the global a i of us raise. the stakes couldn't be high up. the power summit is drawing nearly

a 100 world leaders and a representative of tech firms with the consensus that 2025 is not the new a regulations from says it's time to simplify the rules in europe to allow advances are risk being left behind. in january, the chinese stone top deep seek, disrupted wall street and silicon valley stokes kindest. when it launched a cheaper and more efficient chat model arrival american competitors such as chat g p t. so who's winning the a? i will, or all the battle lines just being drawn. we'll get to, i guess, in a moment. the 1st this report from joe levins, tech executives, entrepreneurs, and world leaders are in paris for an international summit on artificial intelligence. it aims to lay the groundwork for governing the rapidly advancing technology which has almost limitless power. we have still in the early days. they already believe a, i will be the most profound shift of our lifetimes. the competition is fierce and

global powers erasing to play leading gross us president donald trump has been filed a half a trillion dollar infrastructure plan. well, a little mosque is made a bit to buy open a gallery lodging, an offer that was declined. so in french president emmanuel mcclare has code for the removal of red tape and announced a $100000000000.00 investment in the industry. and just last month, as tech executives attending donald trump's integration, the chinese starts out released a new version of it, a chat model. it's result succeeded, the of us arrivals, delivering them at a fraction of the cost and processing power. the release of deep seek a i from a chinese company should be a wake up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing to n, cuz we have the greater side just in the world. in china,

i is being integrated into school curriculums to ensure future generations can take advantage of the opportunities to technology offers fucking powers, military experts at debated as battlefield applications of uh well gains. do you remember where the, where routes we go to the computer? you have a all the, i did the, the tell me that the or series while the computers, uh set up a war and that was so yes, uh it could happen as a, uh, is on least on the well, many demanding regulations. others want assurances, the technology will use to sell bigger problems, such as climate change. joe evans orders are set inside stored the and let's discuss this the now by bringing in today's guest and from washington dc with joined by j. busy d westby, the chief executive of global cyber risk of technology and advisory firm that provides cyber security services. in sydney, toby walsh,

the chief scientist at the institute at the university of new south wells in sydney . and in geneva, adrian monk, a former managing director for the world economic forum, and now specialist in artificial intelligence and technology. he started his career as a journalist, full disclosure. he's a former colleague of mine, frank, to all of you for joining us here on inside story, jody. if i can start with you, we'll get to the summit in paris in a moment. but let's just talk about the big picture where we are on a i is what's really going on a bottle of supremacy between countries and also between companies. and thank you for having me. yes, most definitely is a race. the united states is in a race with china to dominate a excel be the global leader. and it's comparable to this based race from way

back when we very much are in a dead heat race with china. and that is driving a lot of the issues globally. adrian compassion, that with the space race, how revolutionary, disruptive transformative could a, i, b, i mean, are we talking about the arrival of the internet, or perhaps even the, the industrial revolution? i think to be pretty revolutionary, but you've got to remember the revolutions doesn't always happen to have a noise. we got the e mail, we got what processing were your excel spreadsheets. we've had a soft line navigation, but you know, month and cab drivers are still driving around with all of that and only stored in that head. so these things take time to come through. i think to the point my age is, it's important to know that this revolution is also going to involve other people and not just the us and showing up, you know, there's, you're quite as someone's being held as the middle east and the other children that

he's which would like to have a site in this resolution at a point. and so i think is quite important that we look at this as a us charter issue. we look at this is a global issue. the needs of the country is not simply united states in china taking the lead totally. and you agree with that is, is this a 2 holes race? so all the other, a realistic competitors in it. and donald trump has talked about the us becoming the will capitol of artificial intelligence. i mean, do you think he has got a chance of achieving that? the us in china are in many respects, leading the race at the moment. the race is over and there's always the possibility that the towards the school to catch up with the hair. and we started seeing that with join a joiner was definitely coats out of everything is still to play for that. so that's what surprises me. i've spent 40 years working off of intelligence. he's though the rates of progress we. we never said see this with any other technology.

a $1000000000.00 is being spent all day i every day. that's 20 percent of the worlds are the budget on one second, knology that is pretty unique. we have never said that scale of investment being one single technology, but he's feeling the rapid progress, the fact that every day used to be multiple stores of a newspaper. but new advances being made made and i know because the state and the good right is just so impressive. jody adrian told us not just to think about the us in china, but i do want to stay with those 2. for now, i'm the do seem to be between the us and china and the companies involved. notably open a in addition one that surprised everyone at the end of last month, deep seek, very different approaches. can you explain how the models of these to the way they look is different? one is very dependent on huge investment, huge energy resources as well. right?

the u. s. has put a huge investment in to artificial intelligence, but it's also placed export controls around it. for critical areas for chips for cloud access and certain weight, uh, waiting on models. but it is very much um uh, the control of resources to develop this. this is a key issue because after china came out with deep sick that they developed very inexpensively and that can operate much less expensively then chat g b in the us. then open a guy who has chat, g b accused. they've sake of copying some of his flags language models. and if that's the case, then i think we'll see more export controls. and we may see export controls on these large language model databases which primarily reside in the us that could have a global impact on the deployment of a i, globally,

as well as research and development around the world. adrian, i mean the deep seek is, is, as we've heard that from jodi very different and doesn't require the same costs. that's uh that the us models to is that one of the reasons that you think that all the countries come now compete when perhaps it was thoughts a few months ago that really the us had this whole so not. yeah, i think the very interesting moment in the technology development has to be said, you know, this is a place where all the world's investment shifts being put down right now. and so that money brings with a lot of anticipating i brings with it a lot of change. but the one of the changes and brings with it is innovation. and if you look, for example, we also have an industry in the 19 fifties and sixties us cause a very different from european cost. they were designed around a gas culture with gas was cheap. and you could have huge cadillacs,

wonderful looking vehicles that kind of sold for americans. a lot of ways in europe . you have these tiny feeds, vw use running around. we could be seeing something very similar in developing what you have a kind of tweeting french culture. so i think there's a lot to play for want of course we haven't even mentioned india, which is where you have a huge number of very small educational establishment and researches. so there's quite a bit of stuff in the world that isn't so not right now. and i think we should be quite excited by the prospect so that having this technology in many, many places, which is one of the reasons why we need to think about a global uh no solution. but it kind of global coleman's in the way we think about this technology and in the low cost with funds, one of the co host of the summit that's been taking place in paris, toby, before i get to the summit, there's another bit of a news which is quite significant and this involves a little mosque making

a bid for that leading us company can. although some of it, it operates as a non profit, open a i and it's exposed. but i think many, many in the industry knew the big, bad blood between a little mosque and sam, open the head of open a given the annuity of what's stake. we've had these 2 rallying and, and, and sharing. spend some social media this and it will seem a bit patsy and it does spin it, there's nothing stopping billionaire as being passed. it is you say it is very bad blood between some of my need almost as it planning out. i don't think the mosque was really seriously trying to buy open. i, i think actually is a 3 dimensional chess game that he's playing. he's actually got a lawsuit against over. they are to try and get open. i, i to be open and not for profit as it was intended when he was one of the founders . and this is a way of valuing hope for the i so that it couldn't just be transist transits into

a for profit. okay, jody, let's go to paris and talk about the summit itself, 1500 guess in the french capital, and the magnificent crump pele in the centre of paris. what does the summit like this achieve? what could it possibly achieve throughout the 7 in paris as opposed to achieve an agreement to deregulate on a i a provide a smoother, easier business environment in europe for the development of artificial intelligence technologies. and so this is going to be the, is the talk there, but i think is going to be very difficult to achieve. i think there will be a lot of talk and very little walk because the european union has already enacted the most comprehensive, broad, overarching law on,

on the use and deployment of artificial intelligence of any area in the world. and so it's going to be hard to unravel that has been adopted in some parts of it have already gone into effect. so there's a lot of talk about making it easier at to do business with a i in europe, but to face that they excel in developing regulation. and so it's, i think there's an idea of it's in, in conflict with what we're, the reality is in the european union, the agent, i looked up, the 5 main themes, public interest, a future of work, innovation and culture trust in i, and global i government. so now if you go back to 2023, the 1st one of these international a i summit so was held in the u. k. and blatchley paul comment. remember the time people were briefing on the idea that we needed to have proper international oversight. over a, i, the suggestion was perhaps you use the model of nuclear power where you have the

international atomic energy agency. all the i a e, a, a, perhaps you have a, i, a, i, a, and that sort of thing seems now completely that the new all to doesn't it, i think it is. i think it's a fact that it's down to the law museum. the number of folks who would actually very close to some of the technological conferences was spreading about the technology. but i'm one of the things you mentioned there on that day is that is not on the agenda. and really these economic growth. because if you think about it for us, for the economic growth we see in the past 25 years has come from the technology sector. you know, that's the difference when you look at the growth rates between europe and the us. the missing piece for europe is technology and in a site is what we talking about now in terms of regulation is can you develop a technology cycle kind of develop a proper place in the sun if you like, with this new technology. and obviously it's not just here is places like india, you know, this is the next phase of industrialization,

which is why places on the middle east for investing so heavily in education. and also in some of the infrastructure needed. and to a lot of people out of that is going to be very, very difficult. i think that's one of the places where we're going to have to have the conversation where a manual man from say it's a weight cut. cool. is spot on. it is a way of capt cold because it's about economic growth. and if we don't see the economic growth spreading out beyond the u. s. to the rest of the world, then we're going to have a very rural keep you used to come to already on the idea of global governance of a. i mean, do you, do you think there is a role for that in any way? be certainly, i don't think donald trump would america 1st doesn't actually that that philosophy doesn't seem to really match with global consensus in any way. and of course international diplomacy works. so the glacial speed is, as we already discussed, hey, i is developing at such a very, very fast, right?

yes. well i, i think is unlikely we're going to see any governance, global guide governance agreement. anytime soon. as you know, i, i work in the area of cyber security as well, and it's taking us decades to try to advance global approaches to combating cyber crime. so in the, in the cooperation and an investment levels and, and since synergy that would be needed for global governance framework. i think we're a long ways away. the good news is people are talking about that and, and as it's been pointed out as developing so rapidly that it may push diplomats to act faster than, than they have in the past. and to achieve some sort of agreement. and, and, and i think my colleagues right to, to bring up india because uh, india, as always is the world's largest democracy. it's always been a pool, a very rich talent. and so we'll see what happens. but the go global governance is

or topics that will remain on the stage. i just don't think it will be achieved in the near term. toby monochrome when he spoke seems to accept the red tape needs to be taught. but your story put lots of red tape in place, and it's interesting the example that he gave when he talked about becoming competitive. if he says, we'll simplify, think somebody gave baby, i'm being a little on file, but was the painstaking rebuilding of a 160 year old gothic cathedral? no, tom, i mean, is that a good example of how to turbocharged a, i mean to give the french credit and they have done a marvelous job at re rebuilding dr. down off to that rebuilding something i suspect is just for most the basement to say rebuilding something ai is being invented as we speak. it's not being rebuilt. indeed. and you know, the time was very much set on the 1st day of, of trumps. the 2nd time a president,

he signed an executive order, one of the 1st executive orders that he signed, which was to undo, all of the regulation that bite and reports in on i. and that really the we break into programming to take you straight to the white house to listen in to comments that has been made by president trump and the king of jordan king on the left, soliciting leader. and does a fantastic job in his country, is his son. we're lucky enough to have his handsome son with us today. so it's good to see you here. we uh, we've had some quick discussions just now and we're gonna have some longer discussions after this. and the relationship with jordan has been very strong, has been with me and i really has been with the country. but i think i've been closer than other presidents to jordan and what you're represents. and it's an honor to have you and your son with, with us today. and if you'd like to say

a few words and thank you very much. thank you very much for having us. it is so short talk to, you know, they should, i think just as a testament to what you said is a special relationship between the countries and the personal relationship. essentially because between the 2 of us, mister president, i truly believe that with all the challenges that we have in the middle east that i finally see somebody that can take us across the finish slide to bring stability, peace and prosperity to all of us in the region need this, i think our collective responsibility to them at least to continue to work with you to support you to achieve those lucky. so i'd like you to be here this recessive with us, a very interesting discussion. thank you very much. the extension of the site so i think it's gonna work out very well. that's really what we're talking about today. i

think that's something that's gonna work out automatically and it's in good shape and we discuss it. other people have discussed it with us and with me that that's gonna work out of westbank is going to work out very well. the king taking the palestinian people. he's made clear he doesn't want to. well, i don't know, but they may have just something to say because we discussed it just briefly. i think maybe you want to say now or both of them to mr. president. i think we have to keep in mind that there is a file from egypt in the country, so we'd be invited by haven't been said mine to discussions and we are. i think the point is how to make this work in a way that is good for everybody. obviously we have to look at the best interest of the united states so that people can reach and especially to my people of jordan, and would like to have some interesting discussions today. i think one of the things that we can do right away is take 2000 children that are either caps of children or in

a very ill state of to jordan as quickly as possible. and then wait for i think the chance to present that on how we can work with the president to work on challenges just please i didn't know that you just said 2000 children with cancer or other problems and that's really beautiful gesture that's really good. and we appreciate it and we'll be working on the rest with with egypt. i think you're going to see some great progress, i think, with joint needing to see some great progress. 3 of us. it will have some others helping. and we're going to have some others at a very high level helping. and the whole thing will come into not a complex thing to do. and then with the united states being in control of that piece of land, the fairly large piece of land you can have the ability and the at least for the 1st time and the palestinians are the people that live now. and guys are,

will be living beautifully in another location. they're going to be living safely. they're not going to be killed and murdered and having to leave every 10 years. because i've been watching this for so many years. it's nothing but trouble. everyone's been killed at being robbed is it's, it's like living in hell and they're gonna end up having a great home, great families that don't have to get a lot of didn't killed and beaten up and harassed by how mosse and everybody else. and i know we'll be able to work something and then you would you just said about the 2000 is fantastic. it's so beautiful to music, to my ears, but we're going to be able to work something. and i know we'll be able to work something also with i believe not, not a 100 percent, but 99 percent. we're going to work out something with the agent who is going to we're taxpayer dollars won't be used for this

the. we're not gonna buy anything, we're going to have it. we're going to keep it and we're going to make sure that is going to be peace. and there's not going to be any problem and nobody's going to question it. and we're going to run it very properly and eventually we'll have, he can now make development at a very large scale. maybe the larger scale on that side. and will allow for lots of good things built there, including hotels and office buildings and housing and other things. and we'll make that side into what it should be. and the people from guys who wouldn't be able to be, be there for years because you're talking about just to get it and prepare it and to take care of all of the problem is that directly it has is, you know, it's tunnels and for windows towels and you have some good people and some bad people and you may have hostages right now, you know, you have the hostages, possibly there they don't know where they are. and you know, i have a saturday deadline and i don't think they're going to make the deadlines.

personally, i think they want to play tough guy, but we'll see a tough they are. but it's, it's going to be a wonderful thing. it's going to be wonderful for the middle east. i think it will turn the middle is i think you to that piece in the middle east. you're going to eventually a piece in the middle is risk undermining the tools that you're having with the taking today. that kind of piece that you because that stuff, we're not talking about a big situation. we're talking about something that can go very quickly. we're talking about is going to go quickly so i had to take a long time. okay. so where would, you know goal is you know, to bully is you know, the bully. i've always and i found it throughout my life. a bully is the weakest person. and they're bullies from us is bullies, the weakest people are falling into that, right? you were saying that live somewhere else. where exactly do you want them to live?

where i want them to live. it's going to be where we ultimately choose as a group. and i believe we'll have a parcel of land in jordan, i believe we'll have a parcel of land in egypt. we may have someplace else. but i think when we finish or talk to a place where they get a live very happily and very safely and, you know, don't forget, they only one of the other guys are stripped because they don't know anything else . they never had an alternative, and they don't want to be in the guys, but they have no choice. they have to be and they've been killed. they're the levels that nobody's ever say. no, no place in the world is like as dangerous as the guy. they don't want to be there . they have no alternative. when they have an alternative, it's not one person will want to stay with a nobody wants to say that they are living and how it's, it's a dress. how do you know that some people say this is

lindsey, you want to be able to force them to a location where they have new homeowners where they can live safely, where the doctors medical and all of those things. and i think it's going to be good. yeah. any questions? what do you think about us taking over the concept? do you want to see the us calling the god as well? i think, as i said earlier, i'm the president is looking at to reach you for coming to present that plan. as i said, we will be inside the river to discuss how we can work with the president and with united states. um, so that i think let's wait until the egyptians can come up, present it to the president and get ahead of us. well, i think what we said, why have to look into the best interest of, of my country. i think the, the president is very happy that we do this thing with 2000 done that shows it as quickly as possible. and again, i believe that the president is looking forward to getting a group of us apps up here at to discuss some of the overall plans in children or

the from the gods for absolutely that's from a guy. so strip the 2 fast. are you wanting to change your mind and of them on the presenter, something different sort of gone down the line. we know pretty much what is going to be presented and i think it's going to be something that's going to be magnificent for the palestinians. they're gonna, they're going to be in love with it. i did very well with the real estate. i can tell you that real estate, they're going to be in love with a virtual number of people relative to other things that have taken place over the deck age and essentially is a very small number of people and they are living a talk, a terrible let's look at the look at the way they are living now. nobody's. nobody's living like that in the entire world. they're living under buildings that

are mostly fallen down and will continue to fall down, tend to living on the people that make killed every day. the conditions are there are no conditions anywhere in the world that are worse than the gaza strip. right? then the break out of all the hostages are not released on saturday. what did you mean by that? and are you encouraging the younger to walk away from this deal? have you talked about this? so i looked at what, at the condition of people coming out of the hostage situation that is horrible. i looked at the book before and after yesterday, 3 young man, 11 is dead now as you know, the older gentleman who died, which everybody said he was alive and well he's, he's dead. but the 3 young man and i looked at them from a short while ago and i looked at them now. they are emaciated, they look like holocaust survivors. they looked that way and they'll get better,

but they are in russia. they were treated really badly. and we've heard things from them since, and i think the reason that how mazda is playing, so cute is because they probably, they, they show the reaction to these 3 people that came out at them. and the other was up to one young lady in her hand. blown off practically, and they were not in great shape either. but she's missing her fingers and a big part of her hands. you know what she did? she was stopped paying a full if that was aimed at. or she went like that, that her blow up for had no, i think what they're i think they want to i because i think they, the people that they have living are in such bad shape because they're sending the most healthy people a because they don't want to send the least healthy people out and there was an upper. busy when they saw the people from yesterday, so these people are, so i don't want to do too, and then we do another 2 and another week,

and then we do 4 and 3 weeks. now say you have a mouse by saturday at 12 o'clock, or all bets are off, or would you still consider withholding age of those countries if they don't accept your plan to accept to say that because we've had such a good relationship and we were doing so well, just in the short time that we've been talking, i mean the, the king just made a statement. i didn't ask him to do this. about literally saving 2000 young children from the gaza strip. we didn't know about that. you didn't know about that and nobody did except for the king and his son. and so if you tell your son right, and i just thought it was great. now i think we'll do something i have that threatened with money we do. we contribute a lot of money to.