and for generations for the new night and you end up with you about the legal battles are now underway. as the land they call home is being cleared for tourism hunting ground. despite huge, personal risk of muscle, human rights lawyer is fighting back witness in the shadow of the sarah and get on a jersey the as the saying goes, consistency fields trust. for decades, the u. s. has been a global superpower, but in just over 3 weeks, president donald trump, for us to build the trends and found peaceful phones. so how will the 2nd to and we shake the role of the us on the world stage and kind of the world still trust for us. this is inside the

color that on change space that is cutting international uncertainty about what america stands for or what it's committed to. last week president donald trump proposed the us, take a look, garza and forcibly relocate palestinians. he announced terrace on mexico and canada with a now is the levies were put on hold for 30 days. money is still reeling from comes 1st when he withdrew the us from the wrong nuclear deal. a carefully crafted agreement with will pals to limit turnarounds, new career development. he will serve us to present brock obama's opening to cuba, left the you and cultural agency, unesco, and pulled out of the power as agreement on climate change. now he has defense salons, nato on edge entering it to us withdrawal m. s. members increase military spending, negotiating tactic, so not trumps actions may have already caused a rep for bull damage. so how will country's react and will his 2nd presidency

speed up? the emotions of a new world order in the united states will withdraw from the powers climate accord. drill, baby drill. the 1st item, the president, trump assigning is the rescission of $78.00, biting era executive actions. the word tariff, properly used is a beautiful word with thinking in terms of 25 percent on mexico and canada because they're allowing vast numbers of people. kevin is very, very user. us are vast numbers of people to come in and tend to notice and come on the european union judges as 20 percent plus plus plus. we are treated so badly before i even arrive at the oval office. i will have the disasters war between russia and ukraine. settled. we're protecting them. they're not protecting us, so i don't think we should be spending. i'm not sure we should be spending anything . we're not going to buy anything. we're going to have it. we're going to keep it

and we're going to make sure that is going to be peace, saturday at 12 o'clock, and then not here. all hell is going to break as well. that's meet today's panel who again discussed all of this with us in dublin. we have scott lucas, who's professor of us and international politics university college dublin. from dough hall, we joined by abraham fry at an associate professor of conflict resolution at the doe hot institute of graduate studies. and indiana. what's a hilton, a non resident fellow, the canadian global affairs institute, and the specialist on nato, on euro atlantic secure. see, thank you. all 3 of you for joining us today on the inside story. it is just over 3 weeks since donald trump was an olga rated. the 47 president of the us abraham. such a will wind and fall, fall hose from fall reaching decisions. it doesn't seem like 3 weeks as well. yes, this actually makes us wonder if this is all happening in

a 3 weeks. how is gonna look like for the rest of the 40 years? the 2nd thing for the drum, in the, in the 3 weeks he has declared the war on the entire, was from china to canada, to your to that really is he has lots to trust among cuz even the closest allies, the opinion in need to um, with his neighbors, mexico and canada. and so, and he cause the disaster as i say, here in the agent in the middle east, where after 15 months of a genocide, that's the one is watching live on tv for the past 15 months. instead of stopping the genocide, he has declared a new disaster or j, all new displacement, the policy and all of and, and guides a despite all the displacements that they have been going through over the past of

the kids. so it doesn't look like we're going to go on a quiet for years with donald trump and uh, we should be, i mean, we the what should be the be unprepared of how to deal with someone with such sinking in the white house on how to respond to school, if he's was pointing out, isn't it that all the things he's done are actually executive orders and all the countries you called him presidential decrees. none of this was the legislation that went through congress. now one of the reasons that the us system of government is respected and trusted around the world is the system of checks and balances. the of 3 co equal branch is a power. what happened? tools are it's gone, or at least a trap in ministration, including effectively and on the light and cold press. nadine on mosque don't believe in checks and balances. we're going to be talking about foreign affairs,

but this is in the context and that attempt by trumping mosque to tear down the u. s. system by trying to get on authorized access to records involving trillions of dollars by using 19 to 26 year old men to do that by trying to undermine and even destroy the agencies such as the most agency for international development by trying to fire per thousands of employees including senior stuff, including the heads of our site boards. because this is an attempt to, we need to be honest here to move to an autocracy. and to get an talk or say, you have to try to bypass congress or build it to your to it's well, we should succeed in doing so far because the republicans who have the majority in both houses are not opposing trump. and you have to bypass the course or say, there are legitimate which were on the verge of talking about which 80 vans the vice president. so i can just last weekend that the court should not be able to

make legal rewards on executive action. the us has always had a very strong executive. there's been a lot of presidential power. but up until now it has been with in a system in which there was a collaboration between the 3 branches of government were in a new era. and now we're talking about a boat at home and abroad. the donald trump and mister moss, they function not for alliances. they function not for america. they function not for checks and balances. they function for donald trump alone, a real job an organization day is abraham said, and he's just over 3 weeks ago. i was there in dc, given everything that happens, it seems an awfully long time ago. but we go back to that date, one of the 1st of many executive orders on that day was pulling out of the paris climate deal for the 2nd time. trump did it back in 2017. so in terms of us, do you think in any way now be trusted by the world with regard to the climate

crisis, all can be the most important issue for the planet. i thank you for the invite. if you don't mind before touching on climate, i just wanted to respond to what one of my colleagues had mentioned in doha. he started off his intervention by saying that, you know, in the 1st 3 weeks donald trump year verse of lead damaged the relations between allies. there's no doubt that there has been a shock and there is a new dynamic of negotiations. but 3 weeks in, in my opinion, it's just too early to say so, but wisely that you know, their relation to your reversible yes, there's been some very um, an appropriate unfortunately comments regarding, let's say green line or even my know country from canada. but i think it's important to realize that these countries, whether it's denmark, canada day, or adapting, and just last week in our rear moment, you had the japanese p. m who is coming, who is on good relations. so this is not a walk in the park with donald trump, you have to earn his trust. obviously you have to bring something to the table, but i just think it to begin to for of yours things maybe aren't,

i'm sure. don't you go to your point, but on, on fine, most kindly us shall be trusted on this issue a tool? well, listen, no, i mean, i don't, i think the, the only advantage of him coming back is like, this was not a big surprise. i think everybody expected it in the international community, the time, and the opportunity to plan for it. unfortunately, due to sort of the week economic situation of europe. i think the real victims of this are going to be the islands and all of the countries were most exposed to it. but as i said, climate security and quality control and climate change. and john was not one of his priority, so i don't think people should be shocked by this. and just because he's provided this doesn't mean it applies to other things, like article by, for nato to. okay, abraham in terms of the us international agreements and treaty, it's not just the climate deal. there's so many. i mean, he pulled out to the wrong nuclear deal last time he was president t pulled after the trans pacific partnership. now we've got the threats against

panama. there's a treaty that was a treaty, the us signed originally in 1977 when jimmy carter was president. i mean, does the us as would stand for and the thing and does that matter. on other issues, for example, the abraham, a cold switch, trump wants to expand. well, additionally, to the, all the shopping things that the trump is doing, actually. and so that could be a go from vienna itself. it's also shocking that he is especially considering, you know, what the problem is planning to do or what the problem is, is saying he's open the clearly on file form the annexation of canada. but a neighbor, a need to remember that i that and, and he tweeted on that. so i put the american flag on north america clearly. so this is something that's done by donald trump, himself, not only this, but also that this is we have seen for years of his dad in the past

year and then the parents, they had them as we've seen, what he has done during that time. and also this is the 2nd by withdrawing from the client agreement. the bid is climate agreement. so what additional evidence that we need to see that in order back to the what he goes to em, but trust, you'll have someone who's calling for the displacement of an entire population in guns are. but i'm the mining international role. we should all be concerts, theme the consent, not only about what the trunk, the saying, but the implications for international the role and the mining bab, undermining and dimension low with them. it's in terms of with going from the climate change agreements or for calling for continuing to general assign, basically another form of genocide. and he and he's raising the threshold for what

the with community is it or can't deliver it intends or what the problem is. it's coming from a super power calling for a clear displacement of an entire community, panama, for example, the panama canal. but more importantly, perhaps the is the nato countries of greenland, which is part of the kingdom of denmark and canada, which e, as we we, we heard that he wants to make the 51st state. he says, we think he's all close friends of the united states. that's the bit that seems most shocking to me. i mean, even if he doesn't follow through on some of these things, what do you think it sets as a precedent given the backdrop of the invasion of ukraine, given the fact that we know china thinks that to what taiwan belongs to china as well. i think that's an interesting contrast between uber, human, roger, and in how they see trump. uh, you know, uber, his point of view is that you just can't deal with that. there's no way to engage

with it. whereas if i understand roger's correctly, you say what you can still engage with charles on specific issues like the japanese a tried to do me. my point of view here is that you can engage with trump, but you can engage with them as a transactional product. in other words, you have to give trump to something which is not something for america. it's something that makes donald trump look good. and that may not match shop to american interest. it certainly doesn't match up to multilateral interest. i think that's the starting point. the truck folks don't think in terms of multilateralism a smarter rubio, the new secretary of state. so the postwar international order is obsolete and that means for allies have to recalibrate european union has to recalibrate goals, states have to recalibrate. japan has to recalibrate how they make these approaches . my, we're here beyond all of this is, this is what's different about trump 2 point. oh is the trump is damaging the us

institutions that you deal with. so for example, there is a ban on climate change. you cannot mention it if you are us agency. now, us scientists are barred from collaborating with international colleagues, not only on environmental issues, but on health issues. the state department, the yacht intelligence agencies, or effectively being told you are paralyzed the general that until you prove your immortal to donald trump. that's the word here, whether we talked about dealing with allies, what were the adversaries, the us system itself may not be able to function effectively on any of these key issues that we're going to talk about today. well, joe, as an expert, but also as a canadian, because canada as being in the following line in the last couple of weeks, what do you think about way this is being done? the way donald trump does this, because there's no qual, negotiation or clock diplomacy. it's all done very, very publicly,

very impulsively, very aggressively. that's not the way allies normally talk to each other. i mean, if i'm being quite honest with you a, i don't think i felt much worse in my life and hearing some of the comments coming from the president's candidate has gone to war with the united states, we have the longest undefended border. there's so much, you know, not just the tree, but the cultural relations. so of course, i mean, you own most coming on and referring to the prime minister as just the governor of the 51st 80. it is quite frankly beyond despicable but again, going back to what scott said and, and my colleague and though, i mean obviously look, nobody wants to hear this and is a p m said, you know, we don't want these trade war. but you know, we have huge things that state financially and of course, the canadian government and ottawa has moved heaven and hell, you know, to try to avoid this trade war. of course, the vic celebrated a lot of things that are already been agreed to. but this is no way to really talk to allies, but unfortunately, this is the reality. we are in any takes, you know, a new dynamic and then new language to communicate. and behind the scenes are we

speaking from the canadian perspective, while a lot perfect things are still going on fairly well between uh, secretary state of rubio and ford ministers, all the same thing with the national security adviser. so whether it's panama, canada, japan, denmark, whoever the next country is, we all have to adapt to the new situation. and as you see with europe, i mean, they've also put forward a whole host of options about trying to avoid the trade board made. whether is buying more l n g, buying more american arms to sort of push this off. but, i mean, this is the world are in right now and it's adopter or die to mean abraham. there may be many people around the world who never fully trusted. the us is like any other country, it has its own national interest, but they perhaps at least knew where they sort through us stood, they trusted where the us stood on issues. and one of the things that used to stand for was help for the poor and needy around the world. and now we've seen what's happened to us aid and how concerned are you about that development.

thank you. well, let me link this actually, to what my colleagues have said. i'm not against engagement. i'm a conflict resolution to process that. i spent my entire life, mike had. he had actually a bookkeeping for engagement, but we should be clear about what we, what we, what seems we can engage with. yes, we can engage on interest of how we can maximize our own interest on how we can, we can negotiate. but mine, friends, we cannot, we cannot, but it can get ahold of negotiate. i wouldn't do a lot of trouble on issues. that's probably the international, not on vandals, on values of a human society, not on sovereignty of a neighboring country. that's calling for an exemption goal, a neighboring country. i come up engage with a president, a superpower, president on van. yours on the go to, i think with him. we'd love to display as

a whole community force displacement, the continuation of genocide. there is no engagement of this, a gong sovereignty human values. there is no engagement of these levels. there is a full foundation on them. and that's the difference where between like leads and i in gauge went down, happen, or maximize ation of interest. i'm back to your question on the humanitarian intervention. you know, us saved, but there will be millions and millions of people will be affected as a result of the one that he declared on you. i said that has been saving people, hospitals as quality cation in many marginalized communities around the world that live going to be affected as a result of the mask from attack will be glaring on on you want to save those. those community is i'm going to sort of payments lee and then going to experience

disasters. i come up and get it's all these vandals, and that's where the from should be confronted. nothing gave the web. not only this in the fest, them he caught the total funding on on the rock that's support. think about 7000000 policy number if he is to don't come up that he is that he met with the effect that as a result of this. now he is pushing for again, but shutting down overall. what does that support thing that is that's been endorsed me that at this time during the genocide that's happening again. got so how can we engage on this, okay, on the let, let me just move it on. if you don't mind even human bringing it back to that we've just one, find them play quickly very quickly with the humanitarian dimensions. it's not only going to be be these committed as i think then it's the us national interest that is going to be, i think the uh, model chrome, you know,

is this very well go back to his speech? is it in the congress that he was one of the strongest advocates for is securing national interest, american national and says, oh you i said, oh my god, you bought it by himself. thank you. thank you for the, the scott bringing you in now with less than 2 weeks away from what is the 3rd anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. let me read you. i've got so many of these quotes. i could have read you, but they the nato secretary general. yet in stoughton book, this is from 2022. we all prepared for the loan hole, will support them for as long as it takes now, given that, that sounds very hollow. now, given where we all, i mean do think you cry and contrast the us all nature for that matter to oh, certainly you clinton not trust the trump administration. and certainly the starting point. and i agree with abraham on this is that, you know,

you cannot engage with donald trump when it comes to, for example, ethnic cleansing regard. so that's one acceptable. and the question regarding ukraine in russia is, can you engage with the truck administration to ensure continued support of ukraine against that invasion, which is going to be under his 4th term fairly sooner. here we have a bit of a complexity where you can't necessarily go on out. yes, no issue. and that is, 1st of all, donald trump, himself doesn't have much knowledge of ukraine and russia. so the question is, what would that negotiation take? the starting point for that probably is that ukraine will accept a russian occupation of the parts in ukraine in the short term, in return for security guarantees. whether that's an actual invitation to join nato, or a guarantee of support from ne told members with continued aid. now there are certain members of the trump administration indicated they may be open to this. that

includes the possible way for ukraine, keith kellogg. it includes the national security advisor, mike walls. the problem here is, is, will they be the adults in the room who will be listened to? or will trump in terms of being very impetuous, decide, look on his own accord or through someone like his personal friend. what steve woodcock, we're going to negotiate directly with the russians. there are indications that trump is actually moving towards that point of view. i think we'll say to munich security conference this weekend. we're monomers. lensky will meet us officials for the 1st time, vice president vance, treasury secretary, president. whether or not you can trust, not trust the united states. whether or not the trump administration can be part of the conversation for the long term security of ukraine, or whether ukraine and the rest of the international community has to step off to give you credit. those assurances. while the united states may put itself on the

side, much organ. okay, try to find a report to the. yeah, i got, i think unit really important and i'm going to be covering it for out to 0. roaches or nato 75 years old last year. they gather again for the summit in june. donald trump will be that, give us an idea, not just on ukraine, but how do you think nato allies are going to be feeling right now? pretty uneasy. i would think intensive, i just made a comment back on or what scott said, i mean uh, obviously the way key evans is zalinski administration is dealing with it. i mean, i think they've actually stepped up to the plate quite well. they understand the audience incorrectly. if i'm wrong, so i mean, i think you have treasury secretary designate now in key of looking at sort of the rear earth minerals and whatnot. so again, just for the viewers, i mean it's not an optimal situation, but key of has adopted to the situation. they know that this is sort of a legacy issue for trump, about getting peace. so again,

whether it's the rear or it's minerals, uh, it just started the ro, us, for example. i mean, the us used to do things because it believed in freedom with democracy, not for truck transactional reasons, didn't it? i agree, but i mean at the moment, the number one priority for to your right now, we serve viable and making sure that the line doesn't collapse any faster that it's going. now again it's, it's not in the things that have been much different as vice president harris. i'd want it, but this is the reality of the situation and there are all the nice things go. we can talk on another episode about values and whatnot. but as i said, i mean russian now they were the prisoner exchange yesterday, and i as you see from the tweets also james, i mean it's, you know, trumpet said massive sanctions to come unless rusher comes to the table. russia doesn't seem inclined to want to negotiate right now at the moment. so the way the optics are looking at least it might be better for a key of when it comes to nato, i mean 75 years. there's been all types of flavors and issues. 1974 with turkey and cyprus, you had the a rack or again,

i think just like my earlier comment about the parents climate. accordingly, i think people and the brain trust within nato have thought about this for a while. there's a lot of backup plans. you have the secretary general router, you know, who i think is quite good at dealing with trump. and even if you go back to the 2018 nato, somebody in brussels where you know, that was the one where trump in the room was talking about leaning rotate was the one who convinced them about taking all their credit for the spending. and you have 24 to 32 allies were spending is up, and i think moving towards he obviously the atmosphere is not necessarily maybe so jo jo, but it is the wake up call. the nato allies, including my country, need to do about spending more. trump is looking at a 5 percent target were if i read correctly this morning, poland is going to come in at 4.7 percent this year. and anything north of 3 percent and tactically speaking all of the sabotage asymmetrical worker that we seen in the north. if i need to really step up with about a century force, now there's the us getting more involved about taking down the go sweets which 80

percent of rushes crude is exiting on. so again, this is another example of nato adapting. and more importantly, another clear sign about why they need to spend more, whether to a piece trunk, to push off the threat of trunk with the danish intelligence service. seeing that in the next 5 years, they could talk, i lost one any europe's competitiveness, innovation. this is long overdue outlining the letter and dried you reports. so maybe the shocked in your it needs to get their act together when it comes to defend spending. scott, sorry, briefly at the end, i mean, we still got most of the 4 year term of trump to come, but do you think some of the things that have happened already are going to change things for good? come, the risk will return to business as usual, off the trump not at the moment. because while there may be the ability to deal with trump even to maneuver with trump on individual issues. you know, we've talked about tariffs, for example. we've talked about ukraine, for example,

on other issues. there is not room to live with. trump right now is real cause that is one of them. but more importantly is the context. so that beyond trump, you have to talk about what is the state of the system. here we need to be open and clear what is being carried out right now in the most serious threat to the united states and he's talking to 18. 65 is an attempt by donald trump and his allies, including people likes even more, including people like you on most to break the us system. entire agencies like usa id suddenly swapped aside the records of other agencies from the treasury being stolen, even the records of dependent on being at risk. the prospect of the head of american national intelligence being someone who has been sympathetic to people want to shortlist out in syria, why we're putting in russia. you can choose donald trump, or you can choose the u. s. system in the long term. you cannot choose both. that

would be an issue 1st and foremost for americans, but it will be one that the world will have to rush in with. not only the next few weeks, but to months in years to come. thank you very much gentlemen. thank you for joining us today. scott lucas, abraham pratt, roach at hilton. if you didn't catch all of our discussion, don't worry. you can watch this in any of our programs. again, whenever you want on our website, which is 0, don't call me if you have ideas for future topics we should discuss on this program . please share them with us on facebook. facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story messages on x. where i'll handle is at a inside story from the inside. so a team and me james face. please stay safe and well buy from the the shaker model was for translation and

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