to step up on deliveries to ukraine safety and defensive width details coverage. people with must department of government efficiency showed up here at the us a headquarters demanding access to the building from around the world for the people or whatnot. any annual page has to be 10, it's the end of a page from chapter of displacement. the as the same guy is consistency builds trust for decades, the u. s. has been a global super power, but he just over 3 weeks president donald trump as the will that friends, i'm found diesel photos. so how, what is 2nd to him? we shake the role of the us on the world stage and kind of the world still trust for us. this is inside the

color that on change phase, that is growing international uncertainty about what america stands for or what is committed to last week president donald trump propose the us, take a look, garza and forcibly relocate palestinians. he announced terrace on mexico and canada with a now is the levies were put on hold for 30 days. money is still reeling from comes 1st when he withdrew the us from the wrong nuclear deal. a carefully crafted agreement with will past the limit, turnarounds, new career development. he will serve us to present brock obama's opening to cuba, left the you and cultural agency, unesco, and pulled out the power as agreement on climate change. now he has defense salons, nato on edge entering it to us withdrawal m. s. members increase military spending, negotiating tactic, so not trumps actions may have already caused a reputable damage. so how will country's react and will his 2nd presidency speed

up? the emotions of a new world order in the united states will withdraw from the powers climate accord. drill, baby drill. the 1st item, the president, trump assigning is the rescission of $78.00, biting era executive actions. the word tariff, properly used is a beautiful word with thinking in terms of 25 percent on mexico and canada because they were allowing mass numbers and people cavities. very, very few 0 so vast numbers of people to come in and tend to notice and comment on the european union judges as 20 percent plus plus plus we are treated so badly before i even arrive at the oval office. i will have the disasters war between russia and ukraine. settled. we're protecting them. they're not protecting us, so i don't think we should be spending. i'm not sure we should be spending anything . we're not gonna buy anything. we're going to have it. we're going to keep it and we're going to make sure that is going to be peace, saturday at 12 o'clock,

and then not here. all hell is going to break a well, that's meet today's panel who are going to discuss all of this with us in dublin. we have scott lucas, who's professor of us and international politics university college dublin. from dough hall, we joined by abraham fly out and associate professor of conflict resolution at the doha institute of graduate studies. and indiana, what's a, hilton, a non resident fellow, the canadian global affairs institute, and the specialist on nato on euro atlantic secure. see, thank you. all 3 of you for joining us today on the inside story. it is just over 3 weeks since donald trump was an olga rated. the 47 president of the us abraham. such a will wind and fall, fall hose from fall reaching decisions. it doesn't seem like 3 weeks. well yes, this actually makes us wonder if this is all happening in a 3 weeks. how is gonna look like for the rest of the 4 years?

the 2nd thing for the drum, in the, in the 3 weeks he has declared a war on the entire, was from china to canada, to your to that really is he has lots to trust among cuz even the closest allies, the opinion in need to um, with his neighbors, mexico and canada. and so, and he cause the disaster cycle here in the agent in the middle east, where after 15 months of a genocide, that's uh the word is watching live on tv for the past 15 months. instead of stopping the genocide, he has declared a new disaster actually on new displacement, the policy and all of and, and god's. despite all the displacements that they have been going through over the past, the kids. so it doesn't look like we're going to go on

a quiet for years with donald trump and uh, we should be, i mean, we, the one shouldn't be be unprepared of how to deal with someone with such sinking in the white house on how to respond to school, if he's was pointing out, isn't it that all the things he's done are actually executive orders and all the countries you called him presidential decrees. none of this was the legislation that went through congress. now, one of the reasons that the us system of government is respected and trusted around the world is the system of checks and balances. the of 3 co equal branch is a power. what happens over it's gone, or at least a good ministration, including effectively and on a like a coke fries, nadine or mosque. i don't believe in checks and balances. we're going to be talking about foreign affairs, but this is in the context and that attempt by trumping mosque to tear down the u.

s. system by trying to get on authorized access to records involving trillions of dollars by using 19 to 26 year old man to do that by trying to undermine and even destroy the agency such as the most agency for international development by trying to fire per thousands of employees, including senior staff, including the heads of our site boards. because this is an attempt and we need to be honest here to move to an autocracy. and to get an talk or say, you have to try to bypass congress or build it to your, to its will. we should succeed in doing so far. because the republicans who have the majority in both houses are not opposing trump. and you have to bypass the courts or say they're legitimate, which we're on the verge of talking about which 80 vans the vice president. so i can just last weekend that the court should not be able to make legal rewards on

executive action. the west has always had a very strong executive. there's been a lot of presidential power, but up until now it has been with in a system in which there was a collaboration between the 3 branches of government were in a new era. and now we're talking about with both at home and abroad. the donald trump and mister moss, they function not for alliances. they function not for america. they function not for checks and balances. they function for donald trump alone, a real job an organization day is abraham said, and he's just over 3 weeks ago. i was there in dc, given everything that happens, it seems an awfully long time ago. but we go back to that day, one of the 1st of many executive orders on that day was pulling out of the paris climate deal for the 2nd time. trump did it back in 2017. so in terms of us, do you think in any way now be trusted by the world with regard to the climate

crisis, all can be the most important issue for the planet. thank you for the invite. if you don't mind before touching on climate, i just wanted to respond to one of my colleagues had mentioned in doha. he started off his intervention by saying that, you know, in the 1st 3 weeks, donald trump, about a year versus really damaged to relations between allies. there's no doubt that there has been a shock and there's a new dynamic of negotiations. but it's 3 weeks in, in my opinion, it's just too early to say so bodily that you know, their relation to irreversible. yes, there's been some very, um, an inappropriate, unfortunately comments regarding, let's a green line or even my know country from canada. but i think it's important to realize that these countries, whether it's denmark, canada day, or adapting, and just last week in a rare moment you had the japanese p. m who is coming, who is on good relations. so this is not a walk in the park with donald trump, you have to earn his trust. obviously you have to bring something to the table, but i just think it to be getting it for it of yours things maybe aren't,

i'm sure. don't you got your point, but on, on fine, most kindly us shall be trusted on this issue a tool? well, listen, no, i mean, i don't, i think the, the only advantage of him coming back is like, this was not a big surprise. i think everybody expected it in the international community, the time, and the opportunity to plan for it. unfortunately, due to sort of the week economic situation of europe. i think the real victims of this are going to be the islands and all of the countries were most exposed to it. but as i said, climate security and quality control and climate change in john was not one of his priority. so i don't think people should be shocked by this, and just because he's provided this doesn't mean it applies to other things, like article by, for nato to okay. abraham in terms of the us international agreements and treaties, not just the climate deal. there's so many, i mean he pulled out of the wrong nuclear deal last time. he was president t pulled after the trans pacific partnership. now we've got the threats against panama. there's a treaty that was

a treaty that the us signed originally in 1977 when jimmy carter was president. i mean, does the us as would stand for and the thing does that matter. on other issues, for example, the abraham, a cold switch, trump wants to expand. well, i visionary to the all the shopping things that the trump is doing, actually. and so that could legal from vienna. it's a, it's also shocking that he is especially considering, you know, what the problem is planning to do or what the problem is, is saying he's open the clearly all employment form the annexation of canada. but a neighbor, a need to remember. 2 that and, and he tweeted on that right, putting the american flag on north america clearly. so this is something that's done by donald trump, himself, not only this, but also that this is we have seen for years of his dad in the past

year at the end of his stay at them. and we've seen what he has done during that time. and also this is the 2nd by withdrawing from the client agreement. the bid is climate, the agreement. so what additional evidence that we need to see that in order back to the what he goes to m, but trust, you'll have someone who's calling for the displacement of an entire population and gods are but undermining international role. we should all be concerts, theme the consent. now don't want to be about what the trunk, the saying, but the implications for international role and the mining and the mining and dimension low with them. it's in terms of with going from the climate change agreement or for calling for continuing to identify basically another form of genocide. and he and he's raising the threshold for what the, with the community is it or can't deliver it intends or what the problem is. it's

coming from a super power calling product. we have displacement of an entire community, panama, for example, the panama canal. but more importantly, perhaps the does the nato countries of greenland, which is part of the kingdom of denmark and canada, which e, as we we, we heard that he wants to make the 51st state. he says, we think he's all close friends of the united states. that's the bit that seems most shocking to me. i mean, even if he doesn't follow through on some of these things, what do you think it sets as a precedent given the backdrop of the invasion of ukraine, given the fact that we know china thinks that to what taiwan belongs to china as well. i think that's an interesting contrast between uber, human, roger, and in how they see trump, you know, over his point of view, is that you just can't deal with that. there's no way to engage with it. whereas if

i understand roger's correctly, you're saying what you can still engage with charles on specific issues like the japanese have tried to do me. my point of view here is that you can engage with trauma, but you can engage with them as a transactional product. in other words, you have to give trump to something which is not something for america. it's something that makes donald trump look good. and that may not match shop to american interest. it certainly doesn't match up to multilateral interest. i think that's the starting point. the trump folks don't think in terms of multilateralism that's marker rubio, the new secretary of state. so the postwar international order is obsolete and that means former allies have to recalibrate european union has to recalibrate goals. states have to recalibrate. japan has to recalibrate how they make these approaches . my, we're here beyond all of this is, and this is what's different about trump 2 point. oh is that trump is damaging the us institutions that you deal with. so for example, there is

a ban on climate change. you cannot mention it if you are us agency. now, us scientists are barred from collaborating with international colleagues, not only on environmental issues, but on health issues. the state department, the yacht intelligence agencies, or effectively being told you are paralyzed the general that until you prove your model to donald trump. that's the worry here, whether we talk about dealing with allies for where the adversaries, the us system itself, may not be able to function effectively on any of these key issues that we're going to talk about today. well, joe, as an expert, but also as a canadian, because canada as being in the following line in the last couple of weeks, what do you think about way this is being done? the way donald trump does this, because there's no qual, negotiation or clause diplomacy. it's all done very, very publicly, very impulsively,

very aggressively. that's not the way allies normally talk to each other. i mean, if i'm being quite honest with you a, i don't think i felt much worse in my life and hearing some of the comments coming from the president's candidate has gone to war with the united states, we have the longest undefended border. there's so much, you know, not just the tree, but the cultural relations. so of course, i mean, you own most coming on and referring to the prime minister as just the governor of the 51st 80. it is quite frankly beyond despicable but again, going back to what scott said and, and my colleague and though, i mean obviously look, nobody wants to hear this and is a p m said, you know, we don't want these trade war. but you know, we have huge things that state financially and of course, the canadian government and ottawa has moved heaven and hell, you know, to try to avoid this trade war. of course, the vic salary did a lot of things that are already been agreed to. but this is no way to really talk to allies, but unfortunately, this is the reality. we are in any takes, you know, a new dynamic and a new language to communicate. and behind the scenes are we speaking from the

canadian perspective, while a lot perfect things are still going on fairly well between uh, secretary state of rubio and foreign ministers. all the same thing with the national security adviser. so whether it's panama, canada, japan, denmark, whoever the next country is, we all have to adapt to the new situation. and as you see with europe, i mean, they've also put forward a whole host of options about trying to avoid the trade board. me whether it's buying more l n g, buying more american arms to sort of push this off. but i mean, this is the world are in right now and it's adopt or, or die. i mean, abraham, that may be many people around the world who never fully trusted. the us is like any other country, it has its own national interest, but they perhaps at least knew where they sort through us stood, they trusted where the us stood on issues. i'm one of the things that used to stand for was help for the poor and needy around the world. and now we've seen what's happened to us aid and how concerned are you about that development.

thank you. well, let me link this actually, to what my colleagues have said. i'm not against engagement. i'm a conflict resolution to process and i spend my entire life, mike, getting it actually a full camping for engagement. but we should be clear about what we, what we, what things we can engage with. yes, we can engage on the interest of how we can maximize our own interest on how we can, we can negotiate it. but mine, friends, we cannot, we cannot. but it can get ahold of negotiate. i wouldn't do a lot of trouble on the issues that the international law, not on vandals, on values of a human society, not on sovereignty of a neighboring country. that's calling for an exemption globe a neighboring country. i come up engage with a president, a superpower, president on values on the golgi. i think with him, we'd love to display as

a whole community force displacement, the continuation of genocide. there is no engagement of this. a gong solve them, the human values. there is no engagement, all these levels, there is a cool foundation on them, and that's the difference. well, between like leads and i in gauge went down, happened on maximization of interest. i'm back to your question on the humanitarian intervention. you know, us saved, but there will be millions and millions of people will be effective as a result of the one that he declared on you. i said that has been saving for people . hospitals as quality cation in many marginalized communities around the world. that they're going to be affected as a result of the mask from attack will be living on on. you want to say those, those community is i'm going to sort of intensely and then going to experience

these ask those i come up and get it's all these values. and that's where the drum should be confronted. lovely engaged with. not only this in the fest them heat cup the, the total funding on i'm ross that support think about $7000000.00 plus the number of g is to don't cup that he is that he met with that do it. i think that as a result of this, now he is pushing for again, but shutting down overall. what does that support thing that is that's been endorsed me that at this time during the genocide that's happening again. got so how can we engage on this, okay, on the let, let me just move it on. if you don't mind the payment bringing just to go with just one, find the quickly very quickly with, with the humanitarian dimensions. it's not only going to be, be these 2 minutes is a fixed, then it's the us national interest that is going to be, i think that a month, 12, you know, is this very when go back to his speech?

is it in the congress that he was one of the strongest advocates for is securing national interest, american national and says, no, i said the model, you're going to put it by himself. thank you. thank you. but i even go to scott bringing you in now with less than 2 weeks away from what is the 3rd anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. let me read you. i've got so many of these quotes. i could have read you, but they the nato secretary general. yet in stoughton book, this is from 2022. we are prepared for the loan, the whole will support them for as long as it takes. now, given that, that sounds very hollow. now, given where we all, i mean do think you cry and contrast the us all nature for that matter. oh, certainly you can cannot trust the trump administration and certainly the starting point then i agree with abraham on this is that, you know, you cannot engage with donald trump when it comes to, for example,

the cleansing of god. so that's one acceptable. and the question regarding ukraine in russia is, can you engage with the tropic ministration to ensure continued support of ukraine against that invasion, which is going to be under his 4th term fairly sooner. here we have a bit of a complexity where you can't necessarily go on out. yes, no issue. and that is, 1st of all, donald trump, himself doesn't have much knowledge of ukrainian russia. so the question is, what would that negotiation take? the starting point for that probably is that ukraine will accept a russian occupation of the parts and ukraine in the short term in return for security guarantees. whether that's an actual invitation to join nato, or guarantee of support from ne told members with continued aid. now there are certain members of the trumpet administration indicated they may be open to this.

that includes the, upon the way for ukraine, keith kellogg. it includes the national security advisor, mike walls. the problem here is, is, will they be the adults in the room who will be listen to her? will trump, in terms of being very impetuous, decide, look on his own accord or through someone like his personal friend. what steve woodcock, we're going to negotiate directly with the russians. there are indications that trump is actually moving towards that point of view. i think we'll say to munich security conference this weekend were monitors. lensky will meet us officials for the 1st time, vice president vance, treasury secretary, it doesn't. whether or not you can trust, not trust the united states. whether or not the trump administration can be part of the conversation for the long term security of ukraine, or whether ukraine and the rest of the international community has to step off to give you credit. those assurances. while the united states may put itself on the

sidelines organ. okay, try to provide a report to the yeah, i got i think unit will be important and i'm going to be covering it for out to 0. roaches or nato 75 years old. last year. they gather again for the summit in june. donald trump will be that, give us an idea, not just on ukraine, but how do you think nato allies are going to be feeling right now? pretty uneasy. i would think intensive, i just made a comment back on on what scott said, i mean, uh, obviously the way key evans zalinski administration is dealing with it. i mean, i think they've actually stepped up to the point quite well. they understand the audience and correct me if i'm wrong. so i mean, i think you have treasury secretary designate now in key of looking uh i sort of the rare earth minerals and whatnot. so again, just for the viewers, i mean it's not an optimal situation, but key of has adopted to the situation. they know that this is sort of a legacy issue for trump, about getting peace. so again, whether it's the rear or it's minerals uh, show you the story,

the road us for example. i mean the us used to do things because it believed in freedom and democracy, not for triple transactional reasons. the net. i agree, but i mean at the moment, the number one priority for to you have right now we serve viable and making sure that the line doesn't collapse any faster that it's going. now again it's, it's not in the things that have been much different as vice president harris had one, but this is the reality of the situation and they're all the nice things go. we can talk on another episode about values and whatnot. but as i said, i mean russian now there was a prisoner exchange yesterday and as you see from the tweets also james, i mean it's, you know, trumpet said massive sanctions, becoming less rush. it comes to the table. russian doesn't seem inclined to want to negotiate. right. now at the moment, so the way the optics are looking at least it might be better for a key of when it comes to nato, i mean 75 years. there's been all types of flavors and issues. 1974 with turkey and cyprus. you have your rock war again, i think just like my earlier comment about the paris climate accord. i mean,

i think people and the brain trust within nato have thought about this for a while. there's a lot of backup plans. you have secretary general router, you know, who i think is quite good, a dealing with trump and even if you go back to the 2018 nato, somebody in brussels where you know, that was the one where trump in the room was talking about leaning rotate was the one who convinced them about taking all their credit for the spending. and you have 24 to 32 allies were spending is up and i think moving towards change. obviously the atmosphere is not necessarily maybe so jo jo, but it is the wake up call. the nato allies, including my country need to do about spending more. trump is looking at a 5 percent target were if i read correctly this morning, poland is going to come in at 4.7 percent this year and anything north of 3 percent and tactically speaking, all of the sabotage, a symmetrical worker that we seen in the north, you had need to really step up with the baltic century force. now there's the e. u is getting more involved about taking down the ghost leads which 80 percent of

rushes crude is exiting on. so again, this is another example of nato adapting. and more importantly, another clear sign about why they need to spend a more, whether to a piece trunk, to push off the threat of trunk with the danish intelligence service. seeing that in the next 5 years, they could talk, i lost one, any europe's competitiveness, innovation. this is long overdue outlining the letter and dried you reports. so maybe the shocked in your it needs to get their act together when it comes to defend spending. scott, sorry, briefly at the end, i mean, we still got most of the 4 year term of trump to come, but do you think some of the things that have happened already are going to change things for good? come, the risk will return to business as usual, off the trump not at the moment. because while there may be the ability to deal with trump even to maneuver with trump on individual issues. you know, we've talked about tariffs, for example. we've talked about ukraine, for example,

on other issues. there is not room to maneuver with trump right now. israel garza is one of them. but more importantly is the context. so that beyond trunk you have to talk about what is the state of the system. and here we need to be open and clear what is being carried out right now in the most serious threat to the united states and peace functions. $1865.00 is an attempt by donald trump and his allies, including people like steve and or including people like do you on most to break the us system. entire agencies like usa id suddenly swapped aside the records of other agencies from the treasury being stolen, even the records of dependent on being at risk. the prospect of the head of american national intelligence being someone who has been sympathetic to people want to shortlist out in syria, why we're putting in russia. you can choose donald trump, or you can choose the u. s. system in the long term. you cannot choose both. that

will be an issue 1st and foremost for americans, but it will be one that will have to rush in with not only the next few weeks, but to months and years to come. thank you very much gentlemen. thank you for joining us. today, scott lucas, abraham triad, roach at hilton. if you didn't catch all of our discussion, don't worry. you can watch this in any of our programs again, whenever you want on our website, which is 0 adult. com. if you have ideas for future topics, we should discuss on this program, please share them with us on facebook. facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story, or messages on x, where i'll handle is at ha, inside story from the inside. so a team and me james base, please stay safe and well bye for now. the when delusion from the truth, the facts hang in the balance. when voices the silence agendas prevail,

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