would be withdrawn from the continent. did you discuss this with him? did you get any assurances? and would it be wise for europeans to basically force see a situation where the us only provides a nuclear umbrella, but no longer any convention the protection. thank you. thanks for the pressure now, you know where be tech steps is if it's a shortcut on tuesday and i'm a question, nothing by yours. one of your colleagues just ask that there are no plans to reduce troop left. that's wrong. at the same time of us is grades irritate. it's basically for a long time and front page. it's very clear when you came on board in 2016, 2017. about the fact that us are spending much more on defense them. the average is, and the rest of nato and kind of the and in europe. so we have to do more last year we spend 20 percent more us natural allies. so if you take out us from different

from the numbers to the rest of nature, spend 20 percent more so we can do this. but it is not nearly enough and you look at to get the benefit targeting process and that you would then from there, starts to see the emerging gaps. it has to be much and much more then, then this famous to percentage. it'll be more than 3 percent, at least. so here he's right and the good thing of course, is when we interest of nato spend more that there will be more of a bonus sharing with us just do it because the us itself is now on about 3 points. the see board for a 3.5 percent depending on which year and how you will calculate it. so that's a built in shift is necessary. but to your complete question, i think the tax that those very clear is true. oh, let's see here. and then the 2nd it's jeremy,

that's cause means that actually means you an example. i wanted to ask you about uh, like yesterday, and i told you the, the but the to the once it's jeff of the, the, if we create a membership in the lines in the foreseeable future, if this call and so we'll make it since it started talking process, but just give him what you want. well, listen in washington again. nature committed to future natural membership for you. great. but it has never be agreed that we're not for peace thoughts which starts that the still towards ends anyway and always and definitely with natural membership that has never been a great. it's going to be. but it's never a roster that's clearly stated. what i should consider to be upset is we have to make sure that for the, for the outcome is we have to make sure that is loving near front of me. always pull to more than that for ever try again to a tech ukraine that is crucial and then you and i is so suggested that we can spend time and most for a long time, us in contentment as we can single 5 or 10 ways to make sure that we have those

guarantees in place for ukraine going forward, but has not for be a promise to ukraine, that as part of a peace deal, they will be in nature. it's all right, and now we'll go to the woman in the black jacket. let me see what i found and bobby's television. um us the secretary of defense affairs is that to us or our interest that towards the end of us if you can try not marked in your office. so if you're going on and you will be on union state's data and we're going to be concerned about these, what do you think about spend more, spend more and though it's not them 2 percent get to the 2 percent by the summer and those 2 percent prepare for much, much more and it will be north o 3 percent because of what is behind is 2 things. one is the genuine issue that through us has to come from today from multiple seo tests, including on the, in the pacific. absolutely. china, et cetera, is, is a great worry for them. and iraqi, so, but also

a continuous debates. they were having the she will be and allies, hey guys. we are spending or oversee percents can help us send on that for us in the us. you are close to 2 percent or not even at 2 percent and the rest of the dates are so they are right. if every like to be extremely irritated because b a. so you have a spending more that my base may mean may be saving somewhere else or an increase next ation or yeah, i guess, well, this is the same for us. i mean, you spend seeing how percent on the fence then you cannot spend it on your pensions or you kind of know where you're texas by the amount. so they're absolutely clear for i think these think 2 things come together. us has to concentrate on your yes, but also on other issues. and by the way, when it comes to the end of pacific and many allies today made that's point uh, these theaters get more and more interconnected with north korea, china in around backing up a put in particular north korea and china being the over there in the in the,

in the pacific region, as i said before to you, i have sometimes more phone calls coming out of school here in japan, australia. and it was even from seeing the politicians there then from some metro ellers, as they're really worried about what's happening there. they want us to more work closer together. and i also saturday, if us roxy, so she's china and our emerging situations in the, in the pacific as an immersion substitute of the country, then we have to face steps to get her. not that nature is now expanding to the end of the pacific, but then you would have to work together as on the lines how to make sure the dos if you are to assess of to us, are also a concern for us here. and you are a n h k set you from an h k, the other tv station in japan. thank you. so kind of following up on my colleagues question, do you expect the 4 countries to be spending more on defense concerning these

situations as well? of course, but i am really doing a nato, a still a mix up push to it for more funding. it's not up to me of course to advise, depending on where we are. we're state your new sealants on their spending level spots. your country has now a prime minister of foreign minister and a defense minister. the defense minister is defence minister and the firm and a send, a prime. it will start form a defensive, which will move away from the nato secretary general mark richard. but he's just been speaking in brussels officer and meeting of the alliance is defense ministers was taking place there. and here's what he says. he had a message to the russian president vladimir putin saying that puts an must understand that the west was united as peace talks to end. its war with ukraine are set to begin en route today also said that ukraine would be involved in any way whatsoever. in any case, still, let's now speak to robert pesto, who is a senior fellow at the center for eastern studies, is also

a former nato official joining us from brussels. thanks for your time. so the secretary general mark rotate, putting on a brave face, speaking to reporters, but how worried will she and the europeans and nato be about? the things that that us had said so far about a peace deal between russia and ukraine. i mean, i'm asking for my main tech support service itself, right outside of the century, generally as the right base. and there are some reasons, of course, because this, this meeting, today's meeting has, has brought some important decisions. important for collective defensive, like, you know, accept the adoption of the, of the quick reaction, the plans and things to do with this and bring the molding. that's all true. but yes, i think your hon. shit is right. that the result was worried after. yes, the base very statements, there is a conversation of of president trump for president through which and not so much. are you taking place? i was expected at the fact that pressure has been kind of,

it seems to provide it with some concessions from when they go see to point to view, right, that this thought because you know, it's one thing to separate that nothing has just expanding. well, there was no place to the next section talk to you pretty much stop by the rule out for the membership. it's not a good thing from a negligent point of view. the same goes for a, you know, i sort of a production that you probably will never get back at the territories that up present, you know, occupied that that's construct device the us policy of not recognizing companies by force, which has been in place for more than a 100 years. so there are some things which, you know, and the position of the lack of the actual price in such a sofa in desktops they, they worry finance and affords europeans. but the trophies bed now is the time for europe and some other us are nice to put that case to us. so let's say the next stage of discussions which us is leading and everybody kind of accepts that is

more he, it's, it does not bring joy to russia. us the 1st, let's say, opening show to have done yesterday. that was be with you, or do you think that the europeans will be part of any peace negotiations, or are they going to be sidelines as well? i it, it depends or between your fields i, i would love this price. i mean, the does up to select a different things, you know, you finance themselves if they accept the fact that it's us, it's kind of going to lead to this, this discussion of russians. but it is absolutely fundamental that ukrainians power based. they not sort of informed as to what's which has to be the impression yesterday, and that the european views, particularly the europeans, are supposed to be planning. all sounds sort of a minute for mission and your brain that's of extremely serious position because you know, for you as a whole late to include us as training and easily rejected. the idea that they would join you for talking to conflict support in your brain is one thing. so now

there's some things that you brain or you're being simply not do. let's be convinced that this is a really, a piece i think is huge and not some phone company relation. and that's if the average stakes and perhaps that have been something made by washington, that should be corrected. the right, the looking the way that things are looking. i mean, is this all a pretty bad deal for uh, for the west and particularly for european countries because according to their own fingers, the european union member states, since the start of the ukraine war have provided close to a $145000000000.00 in financial, military, humanitarian aid. to me. well, you're right. i mean, you know what, what, what i really wasn't much of be kind of woke up with the figures because, you know, and if i go for a $100000000000.00, that's outage of us has provided your brain just to stabilize the phones. i'm not sure if that's put in correct, but this isn't all the time in this. it don't get me wrong. it's not about, i don't think you're p is want, oh i frontier in

a position to kind of question the leadership of washington in this, this quest to end this war. but once they have the right to punch in and you brand new, even more is how this is conducted because one thing which it cannot happen to you such a certainly is a complete relation in some sort of revival. the terrible experiences you're went through the night to try to use well, you know, i guess as well reward them. you all know what happened. so that would not be name choice of anybody, including the united states and the role that was because, you know, we have to ensure that aggression does not pay the ways of doing this. but that would require, i think, a more if you'd like to leave your way of going about this nicholas you shouldn't that we have seen so far and they have plenty of opportunities for these dispatchers in the coming day coming. but that's not really what the us defense secretary, have to say, right? when he was in brussels, he said that you create, in fact, might have to seed a territory and may probably not join nato. but what do you think is actually going

to happen next? when these talks actually get under way, do you believe that ukraine is going to have to surrender some territory a well that's all you bring is to accept. but what is, what is the, what, what can one expect? i wouldn't put the following proposition. is that the trump administration, the president trump, himself, was very keen on the, you know, on sort of, i didn't on receiving the level piece price at them they, they would phase a reality either for over but by regular g, which is constituted by 14, which is not interested in a piece, it's only interest as if anything and population more over from the, from us go. the discussion will be about they want the discussion to be at the whole secure rejected factory, including, for instance, us military presence in europe. so that's, that is something which has to be taken into account, and that's also the job of the europeans to explain it perhaps more forcefully even by setting ways because it's the success of this discussion. so based nicholas

issues, if you like, is, would be enjoying success. and of course then present from continue to credit, but not if this leads into a series of concessions which would only and ties which were on the entire right to the rest of the continuous aggression. and he would not stop in the brain. so these are very, very serious considerations at which a, i'm sure, a, i've been told many cases as we speak to our us colleagues. okay. uh, robert pascal, senior fellow at the center for eastern side is that a former nato official? thanks for joining us from brussels. and we are keeping an eye out on the live picture in brussels market, which i still speaking the nature of extra general. we do expect the us defense secretary. he takes us to be speaking shortly as well. and as soon as we see him, we will cross back life to brussels. small russia is returning 8 ukrainian children with cats are acting as a mediator. the children age 5 to $15.00 were handed over to the cats, are re embassy in moscow, and will then be taken to ukraine. the international criminal court issued an

arrest warrant against rushes. presidents in 2023, for the legend forces deportation of children from ukraine. russia says it was for safety concerns and that it has returned $95.00 ukrainian children since then. the police are treating an incidents in which a car drove into a crowd of people in the german city of munich has a suspected attack. at least 28 people were injured when the sit down sped into a group of trade union and protest or is police say, the suspect is a 24 year old of gun asylum seeker. he was arrested officer, an officer fired a shot at the car. the incident happened today before the city is due to hosta major security conference, the easiest way of who is to show hedge fund. we have very, very high safety standards as far as the protection of the unix security conference

is concerned for at the point 5000 officers to make meaning safer and marketing. the participants in the meetings that are taking place are to be protected here and the participants of the munich security conference will be protected. that's why we have so many officers on duty in the mind. so there is no such thing as 100 percent protection. as we've seen again today, james base has more from munich, and i'm at the scene of this horrific attack in the center of munich. let me show you what we think happens if you look up the road at the end of the road. that is the central railway station in munich. there was a protest by one of the main trade unions in germany, marching up from the railway station along this road. we think about 1500 people, a politically charged time in this country with elections. just 10 days away, police were scolding the protests up the road, but by pro behind the protesters came a call. it was that many you could see the which started to move down. the protest

is out. of course, what is worth knowing is that this is a time when security was already very, very high in this city because the munich security conference takes place over the next 3 days. dignitaries are going to be here, including the us, vice president j, the vance. the president of ukraine, vladimir zalinski, and the juvenile chancellor, off schultz. although investigations continue and it's been a growing up in the last few minutes around the co taking further pictures of the scene. he's pretty clear this wilson attack, he's described the man who was driving the car 24 year old, asked out asylum seeker as the perpetrator of that attack. and he says, jim is going to be very tough of the sort of attacks in future. anyone who cares about will face prison time and potentially will be deported to that country of origin. j space out to 0, munich for you as president. donald trump says he plans to unveil reciprocal

tariffs later on thursday without offering more details in a post on true social, he wrote 3 great weeks perhaps the best ever. but today is the big one. reciprocal terrace make america great again. so reciprocal tariffs are one of trump's core campaign. pledge is aimed at matching rates imposed by other countries on american goods. the president says the taxes will address what he calls unfair trade practices. live to our white house correspondent, kimberly how could in washington dc. so why these terrace now? what are we expecting? kimberly a yeah, a couple of reasons why now. so the 1st with regard to the indian prime minister and his visit is one of the reasons often what we see is the us president will try and achieve a foreign policy goal by putting in place these tariff. we saw this recently in on

the domestic front with canada and mexico when the us president use terrorist to try and ramp up border security along the northern and southern border of the united states. the threat of tariffs allowed him to get 10000 troops on the southern as well as the northern border of the united states. and so was an effective tool and as so one presumes this may be another reason for trying to do that. also in this case, uh, the us president has promised to bring down the cost of goods in the united states . it was a campaign promise that he needs to deliver on. and so if he raises tear upset, this is a way of bringing in that income. but we're also hearing that the indian prime minister may be coming to the united states with a promise of terror production. so we're watching carefully to see if that may also be why the us president has issues that threats. so kimberly india would be one of the countries affected by these latest terrorist. but what can we expect from this

meeting between trump and the indian prime minister when they meet later today? so yeah, well this is we should port out the 4th floor and leader since donald trump took a office that has come and paid him a visit. so he's going at a steady clip here and he's rolling out the red carpet if you will. he's going to have a welcome ceremony, a bilateral meeting, he's going to have a press conference in the east room, and then they're going to have a private dinner. but in the case of the indian leader, he has fords, ties with donald trump in the 1st trump administration. so they've already got a bit of a report. and even though they are fairly friendly, there are, as were a challenge report, some differences among the 2 leaders take a list. the past india energy, we can new daily oil gas ends, green tech bake weeks and network amongst the stones. this is industry trade for is coincide with prime minister in the range remote is high profile meeting with us

president donald trump in washington dc. and where india gets its crude oil from is likely to be on the agenda. big refineries like state run by rock petroleum, a positive india shift from being the biggest buyer of us oil to being the biggest buy of russian oil. so cheap because of western sanctions on mosca reyes, i'm has said that it would be more than i the supply available. it's actually in favor of him doing so we have, well i, i, we, we, i don't have the input dependent on so we look good for the best. so, so far it's consistent. so to find the most economical way. this market driven approach was reinforced at the trade fair when india is oil minister was oscar. if the latest sanctions imposed last month would dent in these inputs from russia and it, you know, no, no, there's no such expectation of all. but jesus, from whichever source are price sensitive and price dependence, i've said on many occasions that we float then those at the point of importation,

still trump may press moody to buy more americans. and also to take back more undocumented indians from the us opposition. members protested in parliament to the alleged poor treatments of indians deported on a us military flight last week. but trying to dodge painful terrorist and not rock the boat is what this analysts predicts for. most of all political leadership has taken a lot of pain to stay on the right side of the united states at the end of the day is the question of the unpredictability of the president himself. but i don't see india forgetting lodge in his viewpoint. staying under the radar with that and the suit india is part executives, allowing them to continue to find the best price for oil wherever it comes. where we kind of, how does there an international conference on syria is underway in paris. representatives from at least 20 countries will discuss security and efforts to

bring a peaceful transition off to the fall of the former leader, but shot a subs in december talks will also focus on aid. and just as for victims of a says, governments, the french foreign minister said they're working with the european union towards a rapid easing of serious sanctions where we're trying to brussels. that's where the us defense x ray kit, hex, this is just about to speak. and once he does, we're going to listen in uh, it is great to be here at nato with 31 allies also with my wife, jenny, who has been meeting with families of us troops spelled here in germany. and we're heading to poland right after this. as well, that's what this is all about for me for president trump. uh, in the defense department. i also want to express a special thanks to the secretary general's secretary general ruetta. ah, for your boldness, for your friendship, for your leadership. and most especially for your urgency,

your urgency of the matter at hand, which is great to see from the leader of nato, look forward to working very closely with him and his team. and before we're talking about what we've done at the administer, i want to reaffirm a few things from this podium 1st. as we see it, nato is a strategic objectives are to prevent great power conflict in europe. to turn nuclear and non nuclear aggression and defeat threats to treaty allies should deterrence failed. second us is committed to building a stronger, more leaf hole. nato. however, we must ensure that your pin and canadian commitment to article 3 of this treaty is just as strong. article 3 says that allies and i quote, by means of continuous and effective self help and mutual aid will maintain and

develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack. leaders of our european allies should take primary responsibility for defense of the con, which means security ownership. 5 o allies, guided by a clear understanding of the strategic realities and understand imperative, given the strategic realities that we face. and that begins with increasing defense spending 2 percent is a star, as president trump has said, but it's not enough nor is 3 percent, nor is 4 percent. more like 5 percent. real investment, real urgency, we can talk all we want about values. values are important. but you can't shoot values, you can't shoot flags,

and you can't shoot strong speeches. there is no replacement for hard power. as much as we may not want to like the world we live in, in some cases, there's nothing like hard power. it should be obvious that increasing allied european defense spending is critical. as the president of the united states has said, also critical is expanding our defense industrial base capacity on both sides of the atlantic. our dollars our year owes our pounds must become real capabilities. the us is fully committed under president trump leadership to pursue these objectives in face, in the face of today's threats. so, yesterday i had a chance to attend the ukraine defense contact group today participated in both the nato ministerial and the ukraine council. in both, we discussed rushes,

war of aggression against ukraine. i had the chance to brief allies on president trump's top priority a diplomatic, peaceful, and to this war as quickly as possible in a manner that creates enduring and durable piece. the american defense department fully supports the efforts of the trump administration, and we looked at allies to support this important work with leading on ukraine security assistance now through in case increased contributions and greater ownership, future security assistance to ukraine to that. and i want to thank my u. k counterpart defense secretary john healy for hosting this ukraine, defense contact group and for his leadership on support of ukraine. president trump gave me a clear mission, achieve peace through strength,

as well as put america. first, our people, our tax payers are borders in our security. we are doing this by reviving the were your refills, rebuilding our military and re establishing deterrence. nato should pursue these goals as well. nato is a great alliance. the most successful defense alliance in history. but to endure for the future, our partners must do far more for europe's defense. we must make nato great again. it begins with defense spending. the fight must also include reviving the trans atlantic defense industrial base, rapidly fielding, emerging technologies, prioritizing, readiness,

and leaf ality and establishing real deterrence. finally, i want to close with this after world war 2. first of the general and then president eisenhower was one of nato strongest supporters. he believed in a strong relationship with europe. however, by the end of eisenhower, his presidency, even he was concerned that europe was not shouldering enough of its own defense, nearly making in eisenhower his words, quote, a sucker out of uncle's and sam. well, like president eisenhower, this administration believes in alliances, deeply believes in alliances, but make no mistake. present in trump will not allow anyone to turn uncle sam into uncle sucker. thank you. and we're glad to take some questions. thanks very

much. let's start with the us traveling tv pool with lives for them. thank you. secretary access. you have focused on what you crane is giving up what concessions will to and be asked to make. well that's i would start by saying the, the arguments that have been made that somehow coming to the table right now is making concessions, divide or putting outright that we otherwise are that the president of the united states shouldn't otherwise make. just reject that at its face. there's a reason why negotiations are happening right now. just a few weeks after president trump this morning, just press united states. vladimir potent response to strength. in 2014, he invaded crimea, not during the presidency of donald trump. over 4 years there was no rushing

aggression for 2016 to 2020 in 2022 flattery put into aggression on ukraine once again. not well. president trump is president of united states. so any suggestion that president trump is doing anything other than negotiating from a position of strength is on its face a historical and false. so when you look at what he may have to give or take what's in or what's out in those negotiations, we have the perfect deal maker at the table from a position of strength to deal with both vladimir putin and zelinski. no one's going to get everything that they want. understanding who committed the aggression in the 1st place. but i challenge anyone else to think of a world leader at this moment, who with credibility and strength could bring those 2 leaders to the table and forge a durable piece that ultimately serves the interest of ukraine,

stops the killing. and the death which president has been, trump has been clear he wants to do. and hopefully, ultimately is guarantors guaranteed by.