more fully equal them extensions escalates president trump wants to shut down usaid america's main force agency plus trump halts. financial assistance to south africa is a being with an ice. counting the cost on al jazeera, the fun carry. jocelyn de la the top stories. now analysis is run her mass of car down to 6 exchange of captives putting in prisoners and detainees. most of the 369 fried on stock today with tons of gaza. others went to the hope you find the west bank can somewhat depleted earlier. 3 a do. national is where the captives were fried by palestinian alms groups. they've all been floating back to is relatively united with this time. it is not the ongoing medical checks, federal assume reports now from aconia and a since southern guns outside the repeat hospital in con you and this bus off to

bus arrived from car was selling. busy course the passengers have come from prisons in israel, and the upkeep on the west bank and the hung from the windows, looking for nearly a face to the $369.00 posted in destinies in prison is released from the east bed of j. as in such a day to pass the majority west from casa, you was setting lice, sentences, most though has been held by each barrel without charged for months. sometimes, yes, it was an emotional hold coming. the oldest son left me. i'm waiting for my husband . i looked all around, but i couldn't find him. i was scared that they didn't release him. then finally, i saw him and i cannot describe the feelings. my body is been shaken. some supposed to have missed the transmitter behind us of despair. the forces public going to day off my rush, they told us welcome to hell i didn't truly wants him. it was an ugly stock the 1st

day and every day they beat us with the thrones. and roy force over your body, not in the dust. ling cheap legs should, with this whole cummings contrasted with these very captives leaving casa, just days ago, with the with doubt that this exchange would even happen. the palestinian on through it showed no onset, tennessee, during the most taught the choreographed of the 6 kept to police the sofa most pulse and he's let me do hot fight to surround the stage. trapped with resistance slow gives likely a deliberate display of resilience. they knew what he worked closely and israel clutching how much gifts alexander drove a note. so i get the coach and, and you are holding with take him to the stage before being delivered to the red cross vehicles in freedom. they looked healthy. you have done the previous group of captives handed over all the holding was late to lift it to hospital intel of the

fort jacob. despite the relief of this reunion in the past week has highlighted the fragility of these. these fire no one in gaza, takes it for granted to hurry up as the o. d 0, hon eunice, palestine or us state departments has confirmed that secretary of state demarco. rubio is held a phone call with the russian foreign minister said again of rough, and it's really a re offend america's commitment to ending the war. becomes just out as off the us invite to ukraine, told us unix, the to the conference that you would not have a seat at the table during peace negotiations. 2 people have died from the injuries office, thursday's car running attack in munich. and now the 37 people were injured in the attack. so i'm an investigator say they're treating instance as they're just the most effective democratic republic of congo that's been widespread looting in the eastern states. you because it becomes a day off to every 23 levels. into the city and level of dances,

urging residence to remain calm. because who is the 2nd major city that there were one to about group is captured in eastern d. c. in india or at least 15 people have been killed in a stampede as a railway station, the new denny children are reported to be among the dead. the incident occurred when thousands of passengers rushed to catch 2 today trains and tens of thousands of people that protesting against the government in service. the protest movement began in defence office. ruth cannot have such a railway station in the city of movies. such kidding, 16 people demonstrates is all blaming government corruption. st valleys will not stop until this justice, the prime minister, step down last month because of the protests. there's all the headlines here. well then these continues here on notice they're off to the bottom line 2 statements. the

a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. how do israel's war on gaza become one of the defining moments of the 21st century? let's get to the bottom line, the after decades of being swept under the rug and neglected the issue of palestinian rights. and just as has gone from the back burner to the top of the world to agenda the attack by hamas on israel on october 7th, 2023 in israel's response has become one of the defining events of the 21st century . and it has implications far beyond the region on free speech, on the solvency of international law, on the conversation on racism, the conduct of warfare, and even the values of diversity, equity, and inclusion. i set it. so how is gaza change the world today?

we're talking with author upon cash mitra who just come out with a new book on the global impact of the palestinian israeli conflict. the world after gaza. a history on cash. thank you so much for joining us today. just gonna start out as we talk about the ingredients that got us to where we are at this moment where the president of the united states is talking about moving 2000000 palestinians out of gaza and setting up their riviera on the gaza. i like our audience to understand what is gotten us to this point where we've almost become non to hearing about ethnic cleansing. but it is an interesting question, isn't it, steve? i mean, i think um, you know, the fact that it's now or a president of the united states who is now talking about ethnic cleansing. and is really, you could say you could argue that it's almost taking a back seat to you. then also enters us. think about it, of course, while i leaders that have been talking endlessly about the necessity of ethnic cleansing and how they should go about it and how they should finish the job. but

you know, it's never really being kind of explicit state policy and in just the way trump is analysis as us policy to carry out ethnic cleansing. and so if you know, you also expressed and how did they come to this situation where a us president is more into the aspect about ethnic cleansing, about us to the entire cheat that i think you really have to go back and look at this extremely complicated american engagement with israel resign is in some part of the story has been toward the floor. but i think, you know, really the story that be know which is more familiar to us is a sort of story of diplomacy and changing, you know, relations between american history, not the government to government level. but i think the emotional history of this, the cultural history of this has really only be told in cottage, you know, sort of monographs the scholarly monographs. so this book really is an attempt to

kind of, you know, tell the story and make it kind of in a way acceptable to, to a wider audience. i don't know if you agree with that framing that i've given to your book, but i think it's an interesting journey to think that those that were the oppressed, the victims are now. i have victims that they are, they are perpetrating these horrors on today and gaza and the west bank and other parts of, of, of the middle east. but who this is a sort of historical, i really would say it's a, you know, particularly drug test or any of history. that's a victim. so racism, victims of imperialism, turn into perpetrators themselves when they come to read a certain amount of collective power. and this is the case, you know, i should emphasize this is the case, not just with the with you know, the people who run the state of israel today who claim victim hood who claim that i

insist as you know what viciously prosecutor cannot claim is absolutely correct, uh, no community i would, i would argue, has been as viciously persecuted as european jews in the 1st half of the 20th century. and you could, you know, also argue that there are many other communities around the world who can, who can also makes pretty accurate claims on this, on this, you know, victim hood. but at the same time, once you cost you to a nation states, once you're on history begins as a solver and people, then you have to be judged by what you actually do as a nation state. you can keep always claiming that particular narrative, a victim or to justify you know, your, your sort of atrocities on other defense this week state to speak, which is what the state of israel has been doing for a long time. and i think we need to break free of these narratives, whether it's israel or whether it's india or any other postcolonial country. i think, you know, those countries have to be judged by what they're doing,

the present, how, you know, what kind of values they are pools. um, you know, this is not really a question of giving and this license to people who comment maslick is just because something absolutely terrible happened to their existence. so as you look around the world, where do you have hope? i mean, you try in the end and i think you fail to sort of look at what the equation of hope or a better direction would be. where in the world, do you think the value is equation is prevailing. you know, steve, i don't really invest hoping in countries or nation states, you know, the idea of america, the idea of china and the idea of india. i am as hoping generations, you know, and i invest open younger generations. every job, young generation re, makes the world it's remax, it's for itself and for its own children and grandchildren. and i think, you know, it's probably safe to say that the generation today that it's been expose to,

you know, some of the most horrific scenes. human beings i've ever witnessed in, in, in, in history, you know, seeing, so people being bunch of debts, teens, of, of, of, you know, balance, gathering the headless corpses of the children in their ons. young people today have gone through so much in the last 15 months and i think the immediate response, which is one of shock outrage hara entity compassion this i think you know what, it was really, you know, the political consequences of the products and the know that had been brutally crushed, not by the trump administration, but by departments administration. so they live politically passive right now. but what's important is, you know, they saw and this outrages and as far as, and the responded, they responded profoundly, morally, profoundly,

ethically. and i think, you know, some of these people my grow up and, you know, coming to positions of our influence, unreturned some memory off the hottest they saw. and you know, the sense of more, obviously the developed back to end the values of compassion, the values of empathy for, you know, our, our, our fellow human being. so this may seem to abstract, but i think that is the hope i withdrawal from the, the, the, the sort of images we saw, young protest as young students and young people in, in, in general, over the last few months. because we know that the generations that are being involved in positions of power and influence over the last couple of decades by the these generations vote for the democratic party or the republican party have failed us terribly. so we definitely need to look forward to another generation rectifying our are more abundance and you, you grew up in india, you grew up as i understand that in a hindu nationalist household,

you had tremendous respect for what israel was doing, what it meant as you were growing up and you visited israel in 2008. can you tell us about that journey and how it changed your course? you know, i think it's a very common place johnny, steve, you know, it's a, it's a journey of people and some of the books have been written about this most recently bought on a zip codes. the people who know very little about is well or have a kind of uninformed infatuation with it, which is, you know, what i had growing up in, in india, in a family that reviewed as well. that reviews on his him saw it as a model for india, or it is a model for him to majority of, of india. and then you grow up and you discover other fax you be read a lot more. you discover either you, you encounter palestinians would tell you another story altogether and then you go

there and then you realize that, uh, you know, this is really the most horrific states of military occupation anywhere and i've travelled a bit, i've travel, you know, and places, but india and forces admitted she occupation of being to various other parts of asia. where uh, you know, minorities are oppressed by 5 full state doctors. but nothing a prepaid me really for the utility and the scarlet off the is really occupation in the west bank and gaza and more, more scandalously steve. i mean, i think the fact that this occupation was consistently denied skilled by main stream politicians. i'm jealous in, in the so called democratic west, i think, you know, when we look at what is happening in me, in model or to donald, there is other sort of places around the world. this atrocities there are not being of skilled or justified or supported by the so called democracies. but this was a,

this was an extraordinary case. so, you know, so a kind of colonial style oppression going on in, in the 21st century. and yet most people didn't want to look at this than most people did not want to examine. it's in the, in the west and also, you know, awesome. so is the question, how long dick and this last and what kind of world does this portend? and i think, you know, we have the answer to that. you mentioned tom and he's in coats when, when i was at the atlantic, a ton of his he was one of my colleagues. of course he wrote between the world and me, but he's also written a book about about palestine. he's been enormously criticized. i think similar kinds of criticisms had been levied against on easy coats against yourself, against the sort of notion that was observing and trying to understand this morally, historically, politically, are not allowed to because of not having gone through the holocaust. your thoughts,

you know, steve, my position is that so, you know, suffering has been a constant. it's been a, it's been a regular experience of countless people around the world. what would the last pistachio with the last 200 years been? we've also become more aware of global suffering, suffering in the, in, in various sort of a genes, whether, you know, government is to target, darian capitalist, imperialist, indeed, uh, you know, and to colonial and postcolonial origins as well. um, i think to draw a particular narratives, a victim what from those and do then claim that, you know, mind, additive is superior to yours. that entitles me to do certain things, which you are certainly not enticing to do. that is really not the way to create any kind of society where i know people shared common purpose on our devoted

to, you know, some kind of idea of, of common growth. you're looking at people's siloed and then memories in their particular, historical experiences. unable to empathize with the pain and suffering of other people. so, you know, i don't know what these other people who have these positions, what they think about this issue. but what i'm trying to argue in this book that's for democracy, for the i deals of compassion for our fellow beings, but that to prevail, we need to move out of these particular narratives of historical victim. what, why do you think the kind of words that you've just shared are so controversial? you write about intellectual dis, despotism of these times you write about censorship. i know that you yourself, i'd love to hear a little bit about it, have paid a price out there for shining a light on the importance of this conversation. why can't we have this conversation without consequence among reasonable people? well, you know we,

we are living and so i think what can only be described as marley above us times. you have the vice president of the united states. defining know a lot of christianity, which is the exact opposite. it's really the exact opposite of what christianity is to that this is a man attacking conflicts in the united states for encouraging and legal immigration or for, for supporting and protecting evidence. so this is really an upside down reality at all inhabiting where the value is. that of helps human societies together that up, that have really in a way, made a lives meaningful way to those values are of compassion or a sort of entity. but those values are being trampled into the up and, and, and know what the value of the day is today is roots. trent, that is the value that's being upheld. and we have been told that, you know, might, is, right, i'm and, and, and the for myself it's, it's, it's is too bad,

but this is how it is. so let's recognize, you know, this, this extraordinary word that we have come to inhabit and then try to also understand how we, how we got here. i want to count and show you a uh, a recommendation of what president biden shared about a conversation with is really prime minister netanyahu. this is joe biden speaking . i said b, you can't be carpet bombing these communities. and he said to me, well, you did it, you carpet bumper when you dropped the nuclear weapon. you killed thousands of innocent people because you had to in order to win a war. but many americans don't remember dropping the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki or many of the other outragious things this country is done. but does that, does that mean that in the, in the fact that we're not necessarily introspective about some of the crimes, inhumane crimes we have done or others have done that. we can't still have a north star, you know,

towards something that is much more humane and just and fair, particularly in the case of guidance, or, let's see what i think it has to do with, you know, what kind of values do you want to privilege. if your things are bible, if you think um the expansion of follow a collective power individually. but if those are your main goals, then everything is justified in the service of those but at ideas then of course, mosse, you know, extermination is justified. of course, you know, hitler made the same kind of arguments when he said about destroying the european jewish population. this is the kind of argument that old major, desktops, old major to solitary and figures have been over and over again. we need to do this in order to win something. this is the morality that we are working with here. this is very far away from the mortality that has guided,

most people is around the world for a long time. we have to look at, you know, what is, what is happening to do, do i, i'm nation states in a click, a model or even immoral. is there something about the political and economic systems that be in the habit today? that do not take into account a simple you know, criteria right and wrong. having moved so far away from, you know, our, our sort of lead, religious, spiritual, and philosophically promptings that we become these most risk creatures will not stop at, you know, mass murdering tens of thousands of people. and following up with, with, with ethnic cleansing, with cleaning the area of dining into a gaza rivera. i mean, this is a monstrous wherever we are. and how we're doing today. and, you know, all sort of, again, justified in vote by, you know, to be as examples drawn from a very selective history. we would have had the gentleman who had won the 2nd world war making the same kinds of arguments about killing 6000000 jews. a, it's a, it's

a victory to write this kind of history always. but as i sort of look at this broad question of gaza, palestine is real. and, and you sort of asked the question of, you know, where is this going to go in, in a way? what are the barriers to what donald trump is talking about? essentially, ethnic cleansing, is there any barrier you identify with the students and others that are protesting? but in a way, i think you kind of almost morosely realize how gun, how numbered and how plant those that are trying to raise the profile of these questions are. so i'd love to know as you sort of look at the situation now and you see anything that is helpful. a little steve, i said very clearly in the book that it's very likely and know it has become more likely with the drumstick. treat that is relevant, succeed in an ethnic, cleansing garza, and maybe even the westbank. and that

a perfect possibility is closer to being, being realized today. um, you know, obviously is really far right. politicians have been wishing openly, proclaiming that their desires for this kind of outcome for a very long time. and obviously, you know, after the 7 games for them as a great opportunity. and again, they were openly talking about this right from the beginning. the, you know, this is, this is the moment to accomplish many of our, you know, long defined objectives here. so this is, you know, a moment for them. and obviously the ex static that donald trump is, is, is, is supporting the endeavor. in fact, on trump is now in the driving seat in many ways. but i think i would like to point to something else, which is this progress, you know, it's, it's, it's perhaps easier to describe is way as tragic tree in this context. because i think we are looking at a much more extensive radicalization across the western world. the kind of

sentiment that is not imagining political sentiments stoked by mainstream politicians, often not just by far right. politicians against immigrants, against religious minorities. this is something that has been in the making for some time, and i think this kind of moral and legal are sent. this kind of butterfly, that is why it has let in the middle east of norms, low international morality, just about everything that we decided to make sacrosanct off to 1945. i think this process is now beginning to happen in, in various, all the sponsor, the west of was nbc that most strikingly in the last 2 weeks of the new trump administration is also happening in much more in serious ways. and in places like the united kingdom, when kids thomas said, you know,

these ladies had to have the right to cut off the power and water to the palestinians. um, you know, this is a human rights lawyer speaking, you know, and, and sort of open violation of every kind of schuman rights lawyer you can think of . um, he was preventing the stage when he becomes prime minister and declares war on some of the pores and because people in the country we are looking at a much more extensive breakdown here by just you know, what is happening in, in, in gaza and is very likely to happen in the west bank, but let me just ask you briefly and, and, and finally on cash. i find it so interesting that you're in indian observer of this and, and it's just, i'll tell people, it's extremely powerful, an important book. and i want to congratulate you on that. in my book, india is the most significant rising power in the world. you know, china is important, but china is population is decreasing in the is growing in these economy is going

to india is going to be one of the major a norm centers in, in, in the entire world. and we look at what do you think the government india is learning from this moment. as we see what unfolds with gaza. i don't think it's played. it's god so badly so far. i tongue, i think this sort of, you know, in the indian government went along with the fund to see that they were going to be there was going to be some kind of a normalization t. between is really and saw the area under american offices. and they would benefit from, from such a deal and, you know, become this kind of, the sort of, you know, the arrival of the china, but the prefer drive it to china in, in, in, in the middle is not, of course, we know the situation is very different that's um, you know, so many off is rails, out of our neighbors. extremely, none of us, extremely wary about what might happen, the next,

the data is off the table unless and until there is a policy in, in states which we know, is it a remote possibility at this point? so i think the indian diamond state is going to the united states again to try and persuade donald trump to be less punitive in his type of song on india. but the know these kinds of persuasive tactics don't really work with the, with something like donald trump. so i think um, in the having supported israel to explicitly in, in, in the sort of, in the last 15 months, i'm not really paying enough attention to public feelings or public opinion in large spots of the northwestern world. has lost outs, has lost out on but more leadership and also in the we the kind of diplomatic leadership that countries like south africa or brazil have a seems kind of course,

you know, the not, and beneficiary of all this is, is, is china. the author's pond confirmation for and his latest book is the world after gaza a history. i really recommend that you read it. thank you so much back as for joining us today. thank you, sue. so what's the bottom line? much of the world has become indifferent to palestinian suffering. and u. s. president donald trump is now main streaming ethnic cleansing in his comments that he wants to all to 1000000 people in gaza, shipped out somewhere with no right of return. and the us owning the gaza strip, where the point in history were lessons of the past, especially about the banality of evil or being boldly and purposely ignored. we know which way we are pointed and it's not a place where palestinian justice will be achieved, nor is really security our conscience as people once informed by a belief in human rights and dignity will be deeply stained and damaged by what's

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