we are to see the series of legends, some clothes for the stories of civilizations that marks histories. one is where the story of vanity have many stories to tell love it and says, and he is really presence on it solely is now an occupation. the deadline for a complete is really withdrawal has come and gone. so how long will is rarely troops remain in southern lebanon and kind of lebanon. a serge, it's suffering to face is inside, still the

hello. welcome to the program. and it's to the lebanese armies clearing unexploded, munitions from arrows in the south, while as riley forces withdrawal. some families displaced by 14 months of cross bold of fighting between is right and has by making that way back to the homes. many in ruins. the new prime minister says he wants to seize riley troops out of every last inch of 11 on. but israel's defense minister says some soldiers will remain in the 5 positions. he says, israel will enforce the see spot but will also act against any has bola threat or monday. and he's rarely drone striking the positive side on killed. how much official is one of many is really attacks. and since the cx 5 took effect on november the 22nd. so how will love it on this new leadership grapple with israel's partial withdrawal? this has paula likely to review fighting, if it is rarely presents, continues. will examine these questions with all guests in a moment. but 1st,

this report from alexandra bice, tens of thousands of families in southern lebanon have spent more than a year waiting for this moment. the chance to finally return home, even though for many there's nothing left hand to feel of. these are all homes. we built them with hard work and toil, without fact, injustice or anything unlawful. this is outlined and we will never give it up. 14 months of hostilities between israel and has bla drove at least 100000 people from towns and villages along the border. on tuesday is rarely troops finally withdrew and the lebanese army began clearing the bombs and the bodies of the army did not allow us to enter until these rabies withdrew there, destroyed everything, leaving nothing behind. no infrastructure, no electricity, no volta, no roads, any building that was standing, they levelled and they found what remained. and as part of the november ceasefire

agreement, the israeli army was meant to fully withdraw from level not in late january. it did from some areas, but stayed along the border and the deadline was extended. also part of the ceasefire. lebanon's army agreed to keep his bullfighters away from his rarely territory. israel says that still hasn't happened and while it's pulled back from populated areas, it's announced. some troops will remain in 5 hill top positions in the south. the army says it's for security reasons, as the locations provide strategic vantage points. israel does not trust entirely de new political leadership that has come to power in lab and on and wants to have the last word in the implementation of the terms of the ceasefire. this doesn't help 11 on the new government, which is trying to extend the states authority. the new leadership wants is rarely troops gone from lab and on implants to seek help from the un security council, with all about the budget to take the necessary measures to address these riley

violations and compel israel to immediately withdrawal to the international borders in compliance with the un resolution, or maybe savvy on out to secondly to constitute any is riley presence in any inch of lebanese territory as an occupation. the government of prime minister benjamin netanyahu is promising to forcefully act against hezbollah. if the lebanese army fails to do so. israel has launched multiple attacks in recent days, but it's not just 11 on nothing. yahoo says israel is at war on 7 fronts, reaching devastation and gaza and the occupied westbank, but also fighting groups in syria, iraq and yemen, as well as iran. and it continues to signal that ceasefire or not. it has no real intention of backing down on any of those fronts. alexandra buyers out a 0 for inside story. the

hello again, standing by august our pink us and tell of even rama cory in boston. they will join us a little later in the show. but 1st of all, let's bring in la risk a political analyst and security of families in by root ali is unable to join the panel because it's illegal for lebanese citizens to interact with. is riley's in the media. welcome to the program. so ali lebanon's government says he's going to ask for you and security council to false and immediate withdrawal. it's really withdrawal. but apart from that, there's really nothing the lebanese government or has bought a can do is the what i think right now. well, no, there is nothing that the government to block can do. i think that is not in the interest of because of the law to start. hey, you around the warfare with the latest round the boyfriend did deal with some very heavy blows to the movement, despite the fact that it wasn't defeated completely by his round. but i think that um, again, the medium term and the longer term, um if there's writers, do insist on staying in these positions. i think you're going to see some form of

resistance. it might not necessarily be testable as an organization. it might be some of its supporters, the rightful owners, the inhabitants of the self, i think i will not tolerate or ongoing is ready, occupation. so i believe that in the end you, you will have to receive some kind of action being taken against. this is ready prisoners, which in the end of the, at the end of the day if is indeed occupation have the violation of the ceasefire. so all you're saying that the israel can sort of get away with it for now, but it could backfire in the long to, i believe sooner. yes. now or even for now, which not clear how to shape and i am caution the philosopher creat general. in his last speech, she addressed this issue that instead it's called, you know, interest to say how we're going to react to uh suited to his res, remain. now that leaves it to open, it's an open ended question. well, 1st of all, i'll react immediately with a white to living in my own judgment, as i say,

because it took such a heavy told in the last round of fighting. i think the devil find it boring in its interests to wait and maybe to allow another form of resistance to take place. not necessarily has below a pro se, but some other groups possible. so i'm supposed to split it is going on quite sure that this is going to backfire. i can see is reading 0 is really is do. how about the, the bits of experience in soft level, on the hand, the level on has a whole 1990 to the 10000. again and again, you know, think is really, is did not have a very easy time when it comes to occupying living these territories. and dial 811 is new prime minister joseph follow. and he says he's good. he's pledge to bring all alms or weapons under the states control is this new lebanese government newly empowered, newly in bold. and because has boulder as we can, and i'm not sure that the following statements can be taken within that framework.

but you have to remember that um benjamin nothing here. who during his prince press conference with marco ruby or he said he called for the complete this argument off has the law. now that's not included by the way him to cease by your agreement. so i think that joseph all and when he said that the husband was weapons will be addressed via and internal ebony is dialogue. i think this was positive, at least a response to nothing. you know, saying that any history related to the weapon as a possible law will be dealt with internally. and i think it was also saying very clearly that we are not in the process of going to some kind of in fighting way why the site to enters into a confrontation with principal with the i am of this upcoming the move. and so what i think it didn't really stem from them, and he is presidents perception that has to blow up being in a week state. but i think that statement can be placed within the framework of calming the tensions in this region. already level as most are responding to those

where the diabetes within the country both and the whole by saying that the annual herbs on better than a se, tackling, has the law on anyone's behalf, entering the confrontation. i mean, okay, uh, just very quickly, ally, obviously there are many lebanese or prison preventive still from going back to that homes in the south. do we know how many a still affected in the, how about how about effects has bo this calculation? no, i'm not sure. what, how many have been affected? the hope you said there's widespread destruction in soft level messes that have flocked to south level and to return their to their homes. and there has been events damage. now regarding the question, how has this effect or has the last status or has the last popularity? i don't think that has been affected at all. if anything, i think that has been lost, popularity has increased and quickly i want to emphasize this point to which i always like to make the selection of the 2nd person that study books. i think

that's actually increased has been most popular to get you to our house. i get a little it was a very, in a very supported by the people. so when he was assessing, i think those are what members of his beloved support was. now going to become members haven't going to even be attached to the movement. all right, i'll a risk. thanks very much. and now let's bring in our other guests and tell him we've, we have island ping cause a former israeli ambassador and console general in new york. and then boston is around a corey a distinguished public policy, follow the american universities a route. we spent 30 years living in lebanon. welcome to you both, i'll, i don't all begin with you if i can. so what is, as well as calculation hits it's, it's mostly tactical burner. it's a business. there's nothing strategic. there's no alternative armada. i don't think israel has currently lose any interest in staying in south lebanon permanently,

establishing any kind of permanent political military position. don't forget israel is deployed in guys of israel is deployed inside syria beyond the 1974 armistice lines is really military's also policing on most of the west bank. i . so there's absolutely no military justification or for that matter of the resources necessary to stay in southern lebanon. what your, what was said previously, that according to the november agreement, the lebanese army needs to a service already informed that she's by law to moving down south that hasn't been completed. so i think is your staying on those 5 hills house as a precaution? not as something with any longevity to it. do you see the same sort of thing? rami a sort of a, a tactical, temporary move by these,

or at least partly, but not fully. i disagree with the disturbing cause because of, i think there is no i, i agree that as you might not want to program for the occupies of lebanon. but israel does want to make sure that it's priority is it's personal, its own security perceptions are what set the rules for the behavior of people and lebanon, and syria and iraq, and then yeah, man and jordan, and everywhere else. so this rarely doctrines has been to fight wars and inside of our country is not inside israel. and to make sure that israel security, as israel defines an exaggerated way, is always a priority for are israel and the united states, and they are countries. so this is a longstanding situation between 11 and the israel before football of it was the p l o. there was measuring list. the forces left us forces in lebanon,

who fought against the israelis going way back to enter the fifty's and sixty's. so this is a longstanding situation, any is really moved to, to assert its primacy in southern lebanon, is going to say some sort of resistance as well as the most dramatic. it drove the israel is out. and now there's a new situation that will evolve. and it's not clear how, how it will happen, the, the, the bottom line is the level and is really a little whole. is kind of these kind of tensions. which means internal tensions with level know between the government and hezbollah and other forces. until there is a permanent adjust the resolution of the israel, palestine, or design is a matter of ism conflict. all right, so the code is rel, risk outstanding. its welcome for once we have better expression in, in southern lab and on, you know, get his ball that could end up saying, well, look, this diplomatic process isn't working. we can, we can try other means no longer wrong. that said, well i might say longer on,

i don't need that case. i mean the 688 months from now. that could certainly become peaceful as logic. they need to regroup militarily. they have been devastated in the last year militarily in terms of their political leadership. but they haven't been resoundingly defeated on either so. so it may take some time. they also lost the lines the ground times, which is syria, through which weapons from iran or transferred. so he's buys being is reorganizing militarily, also politically, but not stick with the military. and yes, your rights, at some point, if it was euro maintains its presence and supplement on as allow me who we indicated it might very well do them to spell them a resort to um, to other means um, but again of his father's main power over israel. in the last decade at least, was the,

their perceived missile threats their arsenal of long range missile capabilities that does not necessitate or justify is really military presence himself and not. because uh, you know, in his early battalions deployed on fine, no task is not going to prevent missiles from a flying into israel. so it remains to be seen if there is a lebanese government and the state building up to them for some kind of re negotiation to reopen the negotiations in order to put an end to the disagreements or contentions over on the international border demarcations. i'm tell them i agree with highly fully until then you will see this back and forth of is israel going in israel, going out israel, maintaining a short period of presence, then pulling back, then going in again, so on and so forth. i mean rami obviously as smaller is significantly weak,

anybody's right, a long way from, from destroying has ball or was as an organization to estimates. it's still going 30 percent of his weapons. never mind. tens of thousands of fights is so water is, is all the strategy in terms of a containing has ball or if it come to want to try and divide it to stop. rebuilding communities in, in southern 1111 on the stopping the financing of reconstruction. the well way we've seen from the last 3040 years, israel strategy uses multiple tools. the direct military attacks harassment with the drones on over flights. an occasional attack like that, it killed us. i'm asked leader in this item 2 days ago, and they killed some 11 use about 2511. these i think we killed who would try to go back to their villages in the last couple of weeks. they use different forms of drawers heavily on american pressure. israel's, an arrow bodies is the main instrument of the american

sort of imperial colonial desires in the region, not physically to control the region like britain did. but to set the terms of how people behave in the region, how it isn't, elizabeth is a very much reliant on us work. and the problem here is that the united states has, has had 2 examples. now where it has been both a mediator and supposed to be the guarantor or one of the guarantors of the cease fires with him, asked and with a level of them. and in both cases, not been an impartial, a guarantor or a mediator or monitor. it has clearly leading to the israeli side, which at home since the 1960, this is nothing new. the what's new is the willingness of people across the region, including loving another that was done elsewhere to push back to fight back. but nowhere near the military might that the us and israel how but using other other

means to do so. and i think what we're going to see is that his, bella is going to focus much more internally now inside lebanon, on recalibrating. it's political position, it's leverage and side leveling. and it still has a lot of support. alliances with other people tend to reestablish itself politically and loving them without getting into a direct fight with israel. because the destruction that caused by the very pause is too much for the country to bear. okay, we'll come back in a, in a moment to that. so the us a diplomatic role, but i don't as well as courier, emboldened by its it's victories of a of a has buller and elsewhere in the region. but does it really doesn't believe it kind of secure or is objective is militarily disease still believe i'll do. the next step is going to have to be some sort of diplomatic solution. further down the line. well, you, you, you just to ask the most important question because there is a, uh, an inherent structural deficiency in israel strategy. and that is that it doesn't

have this trend. it has military objectives, some of which are attainable, some of which may not be, but they do not. they are not derived from political needs, neither in gaza, nor loaded on or views of eros. and when you don't have political aims for one or objectives, and when you're military, i'm targets for another line with political um, targets. then you end up with periods victories. um, you know, degrading please butler militarily has done a lot of these roads. psyche post october 7, 2023. as did um, a certainly or a limited degree of the grading a ron's, an aerial defense. but that, that, that is not going to produce anything of value in the long run, unless there is a diplomatic uh, objective or at least diplomatic. good faith,

i'm goodwill. none of which exists at this point. so yes, going back to the, to the beginning of your remark or question, bernard. yes, israel feels emboldened but toward what and remains to be seen because i certainly don't see one, i'm not say that isn't a romance. i see, you know, being a little that we will. so where does israel go wherever is israel going? well, i don't think israel knows this is their dilemma. you know, there's 2 things that are pretty, have been pretty clear since 1920 or so as the last century of this conflict. israel has never defined the political or military or ideological, or physical borders of zionism. what designer? so they say it's the state of the jewish people and zionism is their strategy to reestablish what they claim is their ancestral. it's, but they've never does this. they've never defined the borders. that's why it israel keeps expanding, attacking the neighboring countries occupying land,

creating settlements, but pushing up people in the west bank and gaza and these jerusalem and now southern syria. so that's one of the problems. israel has this to define how it can imagine living peacefully with the surrounding countries in palestine on 57. the stomach majority countries that it will offer to co exist with it, but it has to re establish itself as a state within a $67.00 borders with some obvious adjustments to account for some of the huge border settlements and exchanges of land and all that which which of the power of the whole agreed upon a so until we have a clear idea of how is real, the tempo exist, this situation will go on this. the 2nd thing behind quickly is that israel has never really used a consistent strategy other than killing a military force and, and threats and sanctions and punitive damage. i'm destroying willfully people's

homes and schools and hospitals that have no strategic value. but just start making the point that hits the boss. what is real wants is what happens in the region, and this generates only more resistance. if you look at the resistance to israel and the last 10 years and the regional compared to say the 19 sixty's, which i remember as a college student back then, there's massive, massively bigger. widespread, deeper and more effective resistance, i guess, is really all across the region and across the world as well. and this is a problem for us real. all right, so on this, we around me touching it earlier on. this happens all happens is marco rubio with us section of state makes his 1st visit to the region and the americans trying to keep to cease fires, going, wanting gauze and wanting this one and love it on how much of a challenge or how so much of a test do this for you you us from administer diplomacy? well, i haven't seen any diplomacy yet, but let me uh try again. and then answer the last portion of what we said i,

it's 3 or 4, or a lot of what is joe has been doing that by me for we've described is born out of insecure insecurity for decades is 1948 now says to make a long story short since the late sixty's into the mid seventies following the young people are award 1973. is there a sort of re gains, a lot of security in the sense that it had an american diplomatic umbrella and annual military that led to an american diplomacy in the region that made is you all enjoy clients that and that existed in the context of the cold, when there was a soviet union whose clients were until 73 of these egypt and, and siri, well, since 1992 there is no soviet and so that the us is gradually retreating from the

region. offer a variety of reasons to en forever wars. because in a cheap uh, energy independence because china is degree of the great challenge of the next decade and so on. so i don't see american diplomacy here. what i see is an american attempt, sometimes cumbersome, sometimes a frenzied to get this off the table and off the gym. they, they are not interested in living on. they are not interested in guys whether accept transfer of the era or, or just to see fire. they just want this off their table all same radar off their agenda, and i think this is what you're seeing. not, not some kind of a well thought code here in the sea, but let's get rid of this topic altogether. rami, how do you see this test for marco rubio, you suggesting earlier on that the us really as already to already how's it side? of course. they might have states, historically meaning say the last 3040 years has pretty much allowed israel to set

the terms for how the united states and gauges where they are as rarely counselor. but the united states has tried to maintain control of how the united states deals with the wrong they are on the items. there is really is have a super exaggerated perception of the select from the wrong. and before we were on, it was the rack before rack it was the below. and so historically, these rarely is always needed a huge threat and the region to which they could direct their own military power, as well as american and western support. today's iran is meant to be that so that the united states, the so it is others don't quite see around in the same totally sort of thing with israel does. and therefore there, there are complications and how the us does real align their, their policies. but the us tell us by its actions not by towards because it's

towards your total is like all superpowers insincere. but it's actions of given israel and virtually everything. who wants to quoted 9 example going highest east, jerusalem, whatever you want. uh, god probably will be for a while, but the that's reaching a limit to what the website is. it kind of for even there has to be a focus at some point soon on a serious, permanent resolution, peacefully achieved. the diplomatic talks of give both sides of equal rights. ok very quickly along because time is right against as, as israel always exaggerated the threat from iran, you can, you can see in the last conflict, israel was clearly able to sup, to, uh, suppress has bought low. so is the threat. the serious is route, makes it out to be a cool is, is it's, it's a mix. it's a mix. and sir bernard, on the one hand, does the combination of the mess, the crowded cool regime as the i have to, all of them will, are gene in iran is with a weapon of mass destruction, of

a nuclear tie. that's a legal combination that you'll feels it cannot live way. on the other hand turning this into the be all and, and all of his growing policy. there's something that mr. natal perfected to an art, this is, this is what he is. yeah. you know, he has developed a narcissistic view and so as a say 0 not just of the jewish people, but the entire western civilization against this mamo fascism and, and, and every time there is a uh, minor car accidents in um, stock coal. he will jump up and blame you around for it or some train delay or via now. um, so yeah, its been exaggerated, but that doesn't mean it's not a real correct. all right, okay, i will have to let island have the last word on for that because time is against us, but the funds to alum pink cost and to run me cory onto earlier i la risk and thank you too for watching. you can see the problem again, any time by visiting our website alger 0 adult calm as a further discussion,

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