the g 20 as a whole. the question not on the agenda, but in the well president trump attend the hits of state, meeting late to the c a. when south africa hands over the g 20 presidency to the united states. like kinda, oh, just the era johannes, but low trump and ministration has ordered. the pens are going to cost us military spending by $50000000000.00. under the plan, the defense budget will be slashed by 8 percent annually for 5 years. the defense department says its focus will be on secure and us board is and building an anti missile defense system. finally, this bulletin june. so fuel has become the 1st 7 president of south korea to appear in court. in a criminal case, he's been charged with insurrection for declaring motion last year, which led to has impeachment by mcbride reports from souls that made heavy security impeach, president to you and scipio was brought to sol central district court. for the 1st

hearing of this landmark criminal case, it follows use declaration of martial law allows us to send, but which was quickly lifted off the members of the besieged in nashville, assembly voted to of a ton. it's you and has argued it was meant more as a warning to opposition parties. so he says was stuffing in from governing teacher who don't, you know, you don't have to. and all of us talk about who ordered floss and who received orders. it feels like chasing and light reflections on the lake. the quote also had a motion from hughes. lloyd is by his release from the detention center where he's been held since his arrest last month. i believe it has been explained that the current detention is no legal confinement, and that the grounds for detention have ceased to exist. the scots of this criminal case comes as the constitutional court, on the other side of soul, is wrapping up. it's he rings into humans impeachment to the side if he should be

removed from office. as this drawer is playing out in the cold, the country remains in a kind of political and diplomatic limbo, the acting president, joe, sighing mock as no. yeah, it's even spoken on the phone with president donald trump. the lead to a south korea's most important to highlight at the time when the u. s. is threatening tyrus on steel, cause and semi conducted chips. some of south korea is most important. tax bolts from mcbride, i'll just say era. so that set from the elizabeth put on them for this half hour of news, but stay with us. the bottom line is coming up next. thank you for watching the the,

there's no limit to how far a dream contains stuck in your own event, you know counter everything's set cold. l. salvatore's maximum security prison. the biggest and the world built to house the gang members that the government's cool and it's cracked. criminals who controlled entire communities have been put forward, sees, have no plans to ever let them know that in the almost 3 years of the crack down. and jerry say that systematic rights abuses have a code. innocent sweats up to police and soldiers have been ground to power to pick people up on the street. we've little no proof that there are many more happier with a suddenly sites a nation. and this is the question, all the injustices suffer by a number of salvadorans, a price was paying for the safety and the streets,

but the crack down his pool of to use the expulsion mode. the onset for the majority of salvadorans is yes, as long that is as it's not your relative stuck in a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. how do israel's war on gaza become one of the defining moments of the 21st century? let's get to the bottom line, the after decades of being swept under the rug and neglected the issue of palestinian rights injustice has gone from the back burner to the top of the world to agenda the attack by hamas on israel. on october 7th, 2023 in israel's response has become one of the defining events of the 21st century . and it has implications far beyond the region on free speech, on the solvency of international law, on the conversation on racism, the conduct of warfare, and even the values of diversity, equity,

and inclusion. i set it. so how is gaza change the world today? we're talking with author upon cash mitra, who just come out with a new book on the global impact of the palestinian israeli conflict. the world after gaza. a history montage. thank you so much for joining us today. just gonna start out as we talk about the ingredients that got us to where we are at this moment where the president of the united states is talking about moving 2000000 palestinians out of gaza and setting up the riviera on the gaza. i like our audience to understand what is gotten us to this point where we've almost become non to hearing about ethnic cleansing. but it is an interesting question, isn't it, steve? i mean, i think um, you know, the fact that it's now or a president of the united states who is now talking about ethnic cleansing. and israel, you could say, you could argue that it's almost taking a back seat to you. then also enters us. think about it, of course,

while i leaders that have been talking endlessly about the necessity of ethnic cleansing and how they should go about it and how they should finish the job. but you know, it's never really being kind of explicit state policy and in just the way trump is analysis as us policy to carry out ethnic cleansing. and so if you know you offset breast and how did they come to this situation where a us president is more into the aspect about ethnic cleansing, about as to the entire cheat that i think you really have to go back and look at this extremely complicated american engagement with israel resigned as in some part of the story has been toward the floor. but i think, you know, really the story that be know which is more familiar to us is the sort of story of diplomacy and changing. you know, relations between american history, not the government, the government level, but i think the emotional history of this, the cultural history of this has really only be told in cottage, you know,

sort of monographs scholarly monographs. so this book really is an attempt to kind of, you know, tell the story and, and, and make that kind of as in a way, assessable to, to a wider audience. i don't know if you agree with that framing that i've given to your book. but i think it's an interesting journey to think that those that were the o press, the victims are now. i have victims. they are, they are perpetrating these horrors on today and gaza and the west bank and other parts of, of, of the middle east. but this is a sort of historical, i really would say it's a, you know, particularly grotesque or any of history. that's a victim. so, racism, victims of imperialism turned into perpetrators themselves when they come to read a certain amount of collective power. and this is the case, you know, i should emphasize this is the case, not just with the with you know,

the people who run the state of israel today who claim victim would who claim to that. i insist as you know, what viciously prosecutor cannot claim is absolutely correct. uh, no community i would, i would argue, has been as viciously persecuted as european jews in, in the 1st half of the 20th century. and you could, you know, also argue that there are many other communities around the world who can, who can also makes pretty accurate claims on this, on this, you know, victim hood. but at the same time, once you cost you to nation states, once your own history begins as a solver and people, then you have to be judged by what you actually do as a nation state. you can keep always claiming that particular narrative, a victim or to justify you know, your, your sort of atrocities on other defense this week state to speak, which is what the state of israel has been doing for a long time. and i think we need to break free all these narratives, whether it's israel or whether it's india or any other postcolonial country. i

think, you know, those countries have to be judged by what they're doing, the present, how, you know, what kind of values they are pools. um, you know, this is not really a question i'm giving this license to people who comment masika is just because something absolutely terrible happened to their ancestors. so as you look around the world, where do you have hope? i mean, you try in the end and i think you fail to sort of look at what the equation of hope or a better direction would be. where in the world, do you think the value is equation is prevailing. you know, obviously i don't really invest hoping in countries or nation states, you don't have the idea of amount. i called the idea of china and the idea of india . i'm as hoping generations, you know, and i invest, hoping younger generations. every dr. young generation re makes the world his remax age for itself and for its own children and grandchildren. and i think, you know,

it's probably safe to say that's the generation today that it's been exposed to, you know, some of the most horrific scenes. human beings i've ever witnessed in, in, in, in history, you know, scenes of people being bunch of debts, teens, of, of, of, you know, balance, gathering the headless corpses of the children in their ons, the young people today have gone through so much in the last 15 months and i think the immediate response, which is one of shock outrage hara entity compassion this i think you know what, it was really, you know, the political consequences of the protests and the know they have been brutally crushed, not by the trump administration, but by the partners, administration, and so they lie politically passive right now, but what's important is, you know, they saw and this outrages and as far as, and the responded,

they responded profoundly, morally, profoundly, ethically. and i think, you know, some of these people might grow up. and, you know, come into positions of our influence, unreturned, some memory of the hottest they saw. and you know, the sense of morality that developed back to end the values of compassion, the values of empathy for, you know, our, our, our fellow human beings. so this may seem to abstract, but i think that is the hope i withdrawal from the, the, the, the sort of images we saw young for testers, young students and young people in, in, in general, over the last few months. because we know that the generations that have been and followed in positions of power and influence over the last couple of decades by the these generations vote for the democratic party or the republican party have filters terribly. so we definitely need to look forward to another generation rectifying our, our more abundance and you, you grew up in india,

you grew up as i understand it in a hindu nationalist household. and you had tremendous respect for what israel was doing, what it meant. as you were growing up and you visited israel in 2008, can you tell us about that journey and how it changed your course? you know, i think it's a very common place johnny, steve, you know, it's a, it's a journey of people. and some of the books have been written about this most recently bought on a zip codes. the people who know very little about israel, or have a kind of uninformed infatuation with it, which is you know, what i had growing up in, in india, in a family that reviewed as well. that reviewed zionism, saw it as a model for india. so it is a model for the hindu majority of, of india. and then you grow up and you discover the facts. you be read a lot more, you discover either you,

you and gone to palestinians would tell you another story altogether. and then you go there and then you realize that uh, you know, this is really one of the most horrific states of military occupation anywhere. and i've traveled a bit, i've travel, you know, in, in some places. but india and forces of military occupation not being to various other parts of asia. where uh, you know, minorities are oppressed by 5 full state doctors. but nothing a prepaid me really for the brutality and the scarlet of these really occupation in the west bank and gaza and more, more scandalously steve, i mean, i think the fact that this occupation was consistently denied skilled by mainstream politicians. i'm jealous in, in the so called democratic west, i think, you know, when we look at what is happening in me in tomorrow or to donald, there's other sort of places around the world, the atrocities there are not being of skilled or justified or supported by

the so called democracies, but this was a, this was an extraordinary case. so, you know, so a kind of colonial style oppression going on in, in the 21st century. and yet most people didn't want to look at this than most people did not want to examine. it's in the, in the west, and also, you know, awesome. so is the question, how long to attend this last and what kind of world does this for tend? and i think, you know, we have the answer to that. you mentioned tanya, he's in coats when, when i was at the atlantic, a ton of his he was one of my colleagues, of course he wrote between the world and me, but he's also written a book about about palestine. he's been enormously criticized. i think similar kinds of criticisms had been levied against on easy coats against yourself, against the sort of notion that was observing and trying to understand this morally,

historically, politically, are not allowed to because of not having gone through the holocaust. your thoughts? well, you know, it's, do you, my position is that, um, you know, suffering has been a constant. it's been a, it's been a regular experience of countless people around the world. what would the last, especially with the last 200 years has been we've also become more aware of global suffering, suffering in the, in, in various sort of genes, whether you know, communists to target, darian capitalist, imperialist, indeed, uh, you know, and to colonial and postcolonial origins as well, um, i think to draw a particular narratives, a victim what from those and do then claim that you don't mind additive is superior to yours, that entitles me to do certain things, which you are certainly not entitled to do. that is really not the way to create

any kind of society where i know people share common purpose or are to go to, to, you know, some kind of idea of, of, of, of common growth. you're looking at people, siloed, and then memories in their particular historical experiences. unable to empathize with the pain and suffering of other people. so, you know, i don't know what these other people who have these positions, what they think about this issue. but what i'm trying to argue in this book that's for democracy, for the i deals of compassion for our fellow beings, but that to prevail, we need to move out of these particular narratives of historical victim. what, why do you think the kind of words that you've just shared are so controversial? you write about intellectual dis, despotism of these times you write about censorship. i know that you yourself, i'd love to hear a little bit about of have paid a price out there for shining a light on the importance of this conversation. why can't we have this conversation

without consequence among reasonable people? well, you know, we are living and so i think what can only be described as marley above us times. you have the vice president of the united states. defining, you know, a mode of christianity, which is the exact opposite. it's really the exact opposite of what christianity is to that this is a man attacking conflicts in the united states for encouraging and legal immigration, r, r, r for, for supporting and protecting evidence. so this is really an upside down reality be, are all inhabiting where the value is. that of helps human societies together. that up, that i've really in a way and made a lives meaningful way to those values or of compassion or a sort of entity. so those values are being trampled into the up and, and, and i know what the value for this today is roots. trent, that is the value that's being a pulse. and we're being told that, you know, might,

is, right, i'm and, and, and the, for my sofa it's, it's, it's is too bad, but this is how it is. so let's recognize, you know, this, this extraordinary world that we have come to inhabit and then try to also understand how we, how we got here. i want to count and show you a uh, a recommendation of what president biden shared about a conversation with is really prime minister netanyahu. this is joe biden speaking . i said b, you can't be carpet bombing these communities. and he said to me, well, you did it, you carpet bumper when you drop the nuclear weapon, you'll kill thousands of innocent people because you had to in order to win a war. but many americans don't remember dropping the bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki or many of the other outragious things this country is done. but does that, does that mean that in the, in the fact that we're not necessarily introspective about some of the crimes in humane crimes, we have done or others have done that. we can't still have

a north star, you know, towards something that is much more humane. and just and fair, particularly in the case of guidance, let's see what i think it has to do with, you know, what kind of values do you want to privilege if you're taking survival, if you think um the expansion of our collective, our individual power. if those are your main goals, then everything is justified in the service of those but at ideas then of course, mosse, you know, extermination is justified. of course, you know, hitler made the same kind of arguments when he said about destroying the european jewish population. this is the kind of argument that old major, desktops, old major to the other day. and if it goes how big, over and over again, we need to do this in order to win something. this is the morality that we are working with here. this is very far away from the mortality that has guided

most people around the world for a long time. we have to look at, you know, what is, what is happening to do, do i, i'm nation states in they create a model or even immoral. is there something about the political and economic systems that be in the habit today? that do not take into account a simple you know, criteria right and wrong. having moved so far away from, you know, our, our sort of early religious, spiritual, and philosophically promptings that we become these most risk creatures will not stop at, you know, mass murdering tens of thousands of people. and following up with, with, with ethnic cleansing, with cleaning the area of dining into a gaza rivera. i mean, this is amongst us wherever we are, and how we're doing today. and, you know, all sort of, again, justified in booked by you know, to be as examples drawn from a very selective history. we would have had the gentleman who had won the 2nd world

war making the same kinds of arguments about killing 6000000 jews. a, it's a, it's a big does who write this kind of history always. but as i sort of look at this broad question of gaza, palestine is real. and, and you sort of asked the question of, you know, where is this going to go in, in a way? what are the barriers to what donald trump is talking about? essentially, ethnic cleansing, is there any barrier you identify with the students and others that are protesting? but in a way, i think you kind of almost morosely realize how gun, how numbered and how plant those that are trying to raise the profile of these questions are. so i'd love to know as you sort of look at the situation now and you see anything that is helpful. a little steve, i said very clearly in the book that is very like c and no, it has become more likely with the chums victory. that is relevant, succeed in an ethnic,

cleansing garza and maybe even the westbank. and that a perfect possibility is closer to being, being realized today. um, you know, obviously is really far right. politicians have been wishing openly proclaiming their their desires with this kind of outcome for a long time. and obviously, you know, after the 7 came for them as a great opportunity. and again, they were openly talking about this right from the beginning. the, you know, this is, this is the moment to accomplish many of our, you know, long defined objectives here. so this is, you know, a moment for them. and obviously the ex static that donald trump is, is, is supporting the endeavor. in fact, on trump is now in the driving seat in many ways. but i think i would like to point to something else, which is this progress, you know, it's, it's, it's perhaps easier to describe is way as project tree in this context. because i

think we are looking at a much more extensive radicalization across the western world. the kind of sentiment that is not imagining political sentiments stoked by mainstream politicians, often not just by far right. politicians against immigrants, against religious minorities. this is something that has been in the making for some time. and i think this kind of moral and legal i sent this kind of bunk file that is read has lived in the middle east of norm's low international morality. just about everything that we decided to make sacrosanct off to 1945. i think this process is now beginning to happen and in various, all the sponsor, the west of the woods, nbc that the most striking lead in the last 2 weeks of the new trump administration is also happening in much more insidious ways. and in places like the united

kingdom, when curious, thomas said, you know, these ladies have every right to cut off the power and water to the palestinians. um, you know, this is a human rights lawyer speaking, you know, and sort of open violation of every kind of schuman rights lawyer you can think of . um, he was preparing the stage for when he becomes prime minister and declares war on some of the course. and because people in the country we are looking at a much more extensive breakdown here by just, you know, what has happened and gaza is very likely to happen in the west bank. but let me just ask you briefly and, and, and finally, on cash. i find it so interesting that you're an indian observer of this and, and it's just, i'll tell people it's, i think, strongly powerful an important book. and i want to congratulate you on that. in my book, india is the most significant rising power in the world. you know,

china is important, but china's population is decreasing. india is growing in these economy is going to india is going to be one of the major a norm setters in, in, in the entire world. and we look at what do you think the government india is learning from this moment. so as we see what unfolds with gaza, i don't think it's played. it's god so badly so far. my tongue. i think this sort of freedom in the indian government went along with the fund to see that they were going to be there was going to be some kind of a normalization t between is really and saw the area under american offices. and they would benefit from, from such a deal and, you know, become this kind of, the sort of, you know, the arrival of the china. but the preferred driver to china in, in, in, in the middle is not, of course, we know the situation is very different. that's um, you know, so many of israel's out of,

out of neighbors are extremely nervous. extremely wary about what might happen, the next, the data is off the table unless and until there is a policy and in states which we know, is it a remote possibility at this point? so i think the indian diamond state is going to the united states again to try and persuade donald trump to be less punitive in his time of so on, on, on india. but the know these kinds of persuasive tactics don't really work with the, with something like donald trump. so i think um, in the having supported israel to explicitly in, in, in these sort of, in the last 15 months, i'm not really paying enough attention to public feelings or public opinion in large parts of the non western world has lost out, has lost out on both more leadership and also in the way,

the kind of diplomatic leadership that countries like south africa or brazil have assumed. and of course, you know, the nato beneficiary of all this is, is, is china. the author's pond confirmation in his latest book is the world after gaza a history. i really recommend that you read it. thank you so much back as for joining us today. thank you, sue. so what's the bottom line? much of the world has become indifferent to palestinian suffering. and you as president donald trump is now main streaming ethnic cleansing in his comments that he wants to all 2000000 people in gaza, shipped out somewhere with no right of return. and the us owning the gaza strip, where the point in history were lessons of the past, especially about the banality of evil or being boldly and purposely ignored. we know which way we are pointed and it's not a place where palestinian justice will be achieved, nor is really security our conscience as people once informed by

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