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in ukraine, he claims that it was the expansion of nato. that was the principal cause of the conflict. he says that peace cannot be achieved because european countries continued to start supplies. ukraine with arms and money. now this was repudiated completely by the french foreign minister, who tells me that the issue at stake here is that the suffering t of ukraine was abrogated. and that is the cause of conflict. so on that issue, within the g 20 no agreement whatsoever. russia apparently standing alone among its g. 20 colleagues, mike hannah, i'll just sierra john his bug. we're wondering back to m 23 forces that are advancing on another city in eastern democratic republic of congo, also capturing large areas of territory and leasing weeks. com is we're trying to because we're 20 people were killed as rebels took the city on sunday, all of them treating children with shot dead view and accuses m. 23 of being responsible. lawanda is facing international condemnation for backing m $23.00
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levels and the democratic republic of congo accusation, it's denies. european union has something better one than i'm positive that the us has imposed sanctions on of a one to administer, as well as a senior member of the m 23 regional integration. but as a james cover is accused of orchestrating london military support for the rebel alliance. and coordinating the export of companies, minerals to the one time leading. you've got an authorization figure case, a facility has been charged with treason. he's accused of orchestra to you. i've talked to over to the government and he could face the death penalty if i'm guilty . this is a long time critical present, worthy, most of any remaining custody until his next court appearance, on the 7th of march. the 68 year old has gone on hunger strike to protest whose detention 7200 venezuela deportees have arrived and the capital come
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limits to have a dream continue to study in your own adventure. now, counter arranged the as the warren, ukraine enters its 4th year, the north ministration in washington is promising in imminent peace deal. so what, what a truck broker deal look like for ukrainians. and what it represents a fundamental shift in russia's global standing this week on upfront. i'll ask
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those questions to a historian, author, and professor of international affairs. you know, the integration of the thank you so much for joining us. that upfront. thank you. 3 years ago versus invasion of ukraine caught much of the world by surprise. many people didn't expect putting to launch the largest, you repeat invasion since world war 2. and despite early predictions that russia would quickly capture keith and take control of ukraine's government, or that russia would crumble under western sanctions after 3 years. that doesn't seem to be any clear path to victory on the battlefield for free. decide really, are you surprised that this is what the world looks like as we enter a year for? i actually am not. i didn't think we would take that step, but at the same time, it didn't surprise me because the american government joe biden was beating him. i think they wanted him to do this. finally,
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do this and then destroy him in the process because either he would capture but when he didn't capture that would be the end of it. so that surprised me, but then the way the war went didn't really because i no rush rush. he's not the country that does immediately well, i mean yes, the capture of crimea in 2014 with a quick but it was actually in order one reparation was a glen to stein. speier operation which is puts in very good it because he was a former spy with the war. not so much so they did exactly the way rush always does it start slow, but then it figures out that if it doesn't go further, that is going to be destroyed. but no russian will ever want to be destroyed. and therefore it became aware of attrition. and i will disagree that it's not going well for either side, i think for the russian side, it certainly is going much better than it is going for the cranium side. and by default that it's going for your pee inside,
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which went full in to support ukraine and with the claims that they need to destroy . how far off the mark is russia from where it expected to be at this point. i don't think it's part of the market. oh, i mean, it took 3 years to do it, but the idea that russia wants to capture you crane and make it rush of that was a mistake. and id never was the case which and wanted russia in the sphere of its influence, which is very different from one piece ukraine as part of the, one of the part of the federal government of russia he wanted this potentially wanted actually probably one to the popular government that in the sphere of influence of russia, but it doesn't mean it's really very different. i mean, we talk about it is if it's the same, but it's not the same. so territory wasn't, that's much of an issue for puts in for him much more of an issue is that i have a sphere of influence. and of course, he was told that there was no such thing of this year of influence. and his
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response was for america, the whole world is fear of incense. so don't tell me. so i am going to fight until i get my sphere of influence. and at this point, you've got enough of a sphere of influence for him to claim that his goals are not far off all the of course, it took more time that he had originally thought originally thought it was going to be 2 weeks max and we'd be done uh, trip as close released with food. and as we know, both leaders have praised each other in the past quite generously, in fact. and there are concerns of trump is already starting to make concessions to russia. but he indicated that ukraine would not join nato, and he said that ukraine quote, may be russian some day, or they may not be russian some day. are you concerned about what a trump brokerage piece deal might look like? oh, well, i mean, i am concerned about anything trump deal would look like i'm and generally i'm concerned the trunk trunk globally. so as far as need a goes,
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everybody knows that ukraine's road to may till may never happen. i mean, the whole story, even we've heard that from our crew to, from the new general secretary of nato. is that the piece? i feel the exactly the, the quote but something, something like the piece negotiation of is the joining made. it was never part of negotiations which of course for the ukrainians like wait a minute, i thought that that's the whole thing that we were fighting about, right. that's what the rush of fall begin. the war a boat is the need. but apparently, according to our crew to, there was never the case. so very few people believe that the russian would ever, under any circumstances agree that ukraine will join it unless rashid's defeated. but, you know, idea you to defeat 11, right? so that's unlikely, right? and the trumpet said, basically this is a non starter. exactly. and actually trump is being more honest and they think that's his uh, in some ways it, you know, forgive my pun, trump card in a trump card is that he's finally saying that everybody knows. but because of all
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the decorative ideological, we have points in rush, it can not be can not be victorious. and what's not the joe biden was engaged in everybody's shop, but i am sure that everybody's shock because everybody knows it's well going to happen. everybody knows the crime, you would never know. russian president even not put in the ever russian president . when we turn crania to ukraine, it can be only fought over, or it can be somehow legally decided. so this 2 things were almost and one starter or probably not to know instead of everybody but everybody was pretending that it's going to happen. and so the mode and said it's not going to have another piece of this is how it affects the rest of the western powers. the allied powers are what i'm thinking about, what it means for trump to deal directly with food and what's the long term consequences of that potential as well. it's in europe was already, it is very stressed by this, but i'm always thinking, you know, i, george canon,
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the great american diplomat. i was his last research assistant when he was only 90 years old. and so i did research for him to fresh out of grad school, and he always told me that the problem with us understanding as americans, thinking about the world's problems, is that we're looking them from the american point of view. when not looking at them from the point of view of the countries and how they deal with problems. so we expect them to behave the way we want them to behave. and so what it is, i don't expect the truck to behave it any differently than from behaves. trump already said that he's going to do, he's going to resolve the crisis. he is going to, i mean, the ged vance spoken view and they can select cured europeans on uh, uh, on the neglect of the values. and the reason they all in this problem because they have the, they gave up and bill is that right? because trump has incredible amount of values. so yes they are,
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they are upset. but that's the question. so he's dealing with put in and i think he's beating them. and that's, that probably part of the clinton loves the most, that trump was showing europeans and joe by europeans, their own support proceed because they should step, go away and say when we're dealing with america anymore, but they can't. and so they dealing with america like this, they're pretending to trump doesn't do or say old as horrible things, and they trying to justify. he's a conversational relationship with with them. so in some ways it's putting in trump against the world. so let's a trip out of the equation just for a moment. if cumberland harris had won the most recent presidential election with the outcome of the war, had been any different would fighting have ended sooner or later with ukraine, maybe sitting land to rush it as a matter that happens, no matter who's in the white house or i think ukraine can ukraine itself can not
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win this war by itself, and i never saw the deep cleaned could win this for so actually for the with right from the beginning when you create needs to be in strong position, negotiate on on, on the battlefield. i thought it was completely insane statements that just set up a lot of the land of hollywood where the good guys went and the bad guys lose. so i think there was in never a starter unless they made the troops on the ground unless they are the ones fighting at the same time made the said we're not involved. and so if you're not involved, ukraine is losing people. it can north, when a go against 145000000 people of rush, it did incredibly well. i mean that's we give it to you create. i mean, it's an incredibly brave country with it, with a lot of stamina and self recognition. and it's wonderful. but they can't physically, they can't with. and so it's made the didn't go all the way in ukraine has no and never had a pop up winning. so the what would have continued longer,
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they would be more slogans of how we need to stand with ukraine until the very end . meaning what standing, how, and ultimately i think put in would have gotten what you got any way, but to great a detriment to everything else. so yes, we have to admit that putting did not lose all the he didn't get all he wanted, so he didn't win, but he still did not lose and certainly lost less than ukraine or your update in this scenario. what does this do for the us standing around the world? i mean, obviously it's not just us. the western world in general has kind of throw it support behind you. crane the language, the slogans, the money. and we took what? hundreds of billions of dollars in, in weapons and military assistance hitting rusher with multiple rounds of sanctions . they've done all the things to ensure that ukraine is successful. and yet the west hasn't seen the outcome that they would like. does this ultimately undermine us power and credibility around the world do by those yet?
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so i think because he miscalculated he, he's the man of the cold war. i met him when he was the man of the cold war. he's media to explain to me how you know, america wins and how important it is democracy to win, which is true. but so when puts in basically acting as non democrat old america one to cold. why think joe biden good incense? and he told him he was a motor and he told him he can not be this man can not, you can not continue doing what he's doing put in, i mean, and so he miscalculated because as you know, there is a certain thing about american arrogance, especially arrogance of a cold war guy who remembers winning the cold war. and he acted this way and there was no analysis. there was no policy about fashion, how russia will respond to this. and that there was always this politics of how, which is going to stand on and support the greatness. so your rep where the
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conflict is going of course, joins that because we need to defeat boots and he has been around for 25 years. he's a, he's a thorn and now i and whatnot. so they jump on this. but america, europe always jump some kind of america often jumps in american adventures. let's remember the warranty or so. so if it happens exactly as it often happens, and i think the big question to me is that every time it happens the same way, america drops the problem. then i mean, because of different precedent because of a different environment that's biden withdrew from afghanistan, america drops in europe, always sort of and zap hanging the codes that, oh my god, how well, what did you do to us? how did, how did it happen? and so, yes, i think it's a tremendous embarrassment. and i, if i channel my george can, and i would say, because america did not have a policy, it had politics. you mentioned putting, being in par for 25 years. lots happened over that time. after edison cried me in
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2014 and then the full invasion of 2022. he's become somewhat of a pariah in the west. this is a far cry from 2009 when there was talk about resetting relations between the united states in russia. how have putin's ambitions undermined or impacted russia's standing in the world as well? he, he's argument is that the west is out to get us. i mean, they want, they say that they want to do, we said relationship, be friends, but then the on the minus all the time, there is no. so we want security guarantees in europe and they to is expanding and nobody recognizing migrate position at the table. the right though? oh no, the reason he's not, i mean, i understand he's concerns because, you know, often isn't american. you think you're better than anybody else, even if you don't think you're better than anybody else. i mean, let's, let's be,
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let's be honest about it. but no, i mean, it's not a reason to start the war. you mean russia isn't. and what happened then to put in, for example, actually has become an incredible service economy. you wouldn't hear it in the united states because you're not supposed to talk on the talk across and talks about it, but she cannot be trusted. but it really made the most amazing service economy so that. so there's wonderful things that's called soft power. no, no, we just need to send tanks across the border and so no, he's not right? because even if you few on the mind there is not the other ways of dealing with it . and the other ways of dealing with it is to convince that your worth not being on the mind because everything has done is just like, well, we have just rush, he's disregard for golf course, but she's disregarded because the only thing it knows it's sending thanks. i mean, how can you not be disregarded? so how does that approach effect russia and the big picture global standing a while now with trump, this standing together, i mean the, i mean, you know, with like 5 points in his 5 foot 6 and trump is 561. and yet they are on the same
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level then for points, and it's the greatest greatest recognition. so yes, russia, strategically for the future has lost, but points improved that he can, she can, he's not going to be on the mind at any cost. and that's exactly what he did. it was paid, the great price of russia paid the great price, but he would not allow himself to be under mine. so, so for, for, um, uh, for russia, the standing in the world in western world certainly become a problem with, right. but what if you look at the rest of the world? not so much. i mean, look at india, look, it's turkey, look at saudi arabia. i mean, puts them shipped away from even from this american usual sphere of influence. and then suddenly he stood up to the a to, to america. and he didn't lose. i mean that's, that's something to be accounted for in the world that is northwestern. and so
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that's another mistake i think on, on, on, on the part of your pm countries that sort of set themselves up against. everybody else is like, oh we are is just the bread formally, the diplomat of europe, which probably we rode the whole idea. what the limit of your, of me mean when he said that, you know, we in europe are, we are in a says and everybody around us is a jungle. it's like, that's a great message for the world. i mean that they will join puts in in the fight immediately after that statement. in all of this discourse, the united states often invokes international law and democracy. it's an interesting and compelling argument, except the us often violates the spirit of democracy and undermines are contravenes international law in places, right? if you understand or, or israel palestine, to what extent is that contradiction undermining the use of the ability to invoke those those ideals?
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well, and that's what put his argument is, and that's what trump is showing. he talks about others that others can not do certain things, but you know, panama, all good greenland old. good mexico. wonderful. 50 for a state of canada. oh awesome. so the things that he, he says we as america is a big corporation, we can do it. it's the small businesses that small little things that cannot do. so it doesn't to mind, but america's always been like that. i mean, let's look at vietnam, let's, it's, it has been, it has been that story in history, but on, on, on, on average, or if we kind of even it out. american influences still infinitely better the north american influence. i mean, we have to agree with that and point but points and says no, if you are lying, i'm going to point out to you every time when you like it. it was interesting to a john bolton, who was the un ambassador under george bush and was really rubbing
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a lot of people the wrong way. he said that puts him and he, what he can clean. we've victory because he didn't want to negotiate with biden, because he knew that with trump, he's going to have better a better position to negotiate. so he waited for terms like no, it's you talking about job. i didn't, didn't. when negotiate with with him he kept saying, we're not really negotiating with his people. fortune was saying, i am ready offer me the sons that give, give me something. oh, for actually cannot be trusted russian once the war all over the world and they are for a generally american. he is a powerful country, it is the richest country. it is a country that serves on, on, on average, serves universal good. it is the country that use to at least formulate the formulate human rights in the proper manner, even if of course, it broke itself with just the tension with rushes. that rushing just doesn't allow
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any hypocrisy. because if you're going to lift your me, then show me how you uphold this. oh, you're not upholding this. so who are you? is as a, as a gay level expression for administer. one time said to, i think somebody british bridge diplomatically said who the hell i you to lecture me. you've been back to russia since the war began. how is the rush of today different than the rush of 3 years ago, while it changed in the last 3 years tremendously because i was there off to the beginning of the war and it was one rush and then last year it was another russian, this past year the 2024 was a very different one. it's on one hand, more militaristic. it is, it has surrender to put in isn't to this whole kind of agenda of us against everybody else. it's much more kind of frame is rushing is the greatest. everything is going to be wonderful puts in,
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is exactly that. and so the only to escape with fuchs escape places are bookstores . we're still selling. you know everything including george your will that he walk into every book store to george all the way to your face. so you wouldn't forget where you live of british authors, american authors, in museums and museums, people just go to museums for the whole day because where they can pretend that none of it is have escaped completely physically to escape. so, so that's how rushing has changed them in restaurants have been working all the time. but the war conversations stopped because before the 1st year, people would talk about the all the time everywhere. but ukraine, whether we like, we don't like it, our boys, the boys, how can we do this and so on. and now people are much more careful because they're plainclothes, police very orwellian, very 19. 84, just looking and seeing who they can grab well, we're on the ground. do you feel
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a growing discontent towards food? no, i'm not. and i think the west is, is, is contributor has contributed to that. because when you are heated so much and on a national level and something that i remember was early interviews i was given about this, quote, fuel going to heat the whole rush, or you actually strengthen inputs because if you're going to go against the whole country, the country does what it does. well, he around the flat. that's exactly what's happening. going is the country also means going is to people of the people that right? yeah, exactly. so if you're going to punish the whole nation, then it's going to be helping. and the bid in the beginning there was, you know, there was all this incredibly massive protest against it. and yet old russians was sanctioned, i'm not complaining because, you know, once again, there was russian, there was ukraine, so i'm not putting them on the same level. i'm just talking about policy. so if you have a policy of, if you have a dick tutorial, a country that you want to north hell, but you want dictated to be undermined, you will not,
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and you will not sanctioning everybody. you are not, not allowing the russians to travel to travel abroad. you are not cutting there. you are not cutting a bank services because that is not important. doesn't go to mcdonalds, put in, doesn't use. i remember the times new roman immediately stopped functioning and russian because there was really important that fun sick. we're not going to give the russians the rights. so he doesn't use the computer. he doesn't watch harry potter. he doesn't know what disney is. and so all of this is against the russians, and of course, the russian. and when the state says we're going to give you new mcdonalds, better, we're going to show you are the movies, but better, and what are you going to do? so or so. but when we deal with russia, there was no, we can. we people in the west, they think about the psychology of other nations. when there was, she is concerned, the only psychology people remember is boris and natasha. after just
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a few weeks in the office, donald trump has sought to maximize his power and cultivate a kind of a culture of fear. we see mass deportations. we've seen the tax on several civil liberties. we've seen a purge of the federal government led by the richest man in the world. eli musk. oh, what similarities do you see between american and russian nationalism? well, i mean it's i would not do a direct comparison of, of russian america. there's a different entities, i mean in many ways there's certain similarities because they're and i mean, the soviet union, northwestern soviet union and america because they grew out of something else. because the soviet union grew out of the russian empire. americans who out of a former colony that said with protest and ethics and this period of capitalism. so i wouldn't compare them. but i think with trump, what's interesting is that it almost felt this time even more so. but even the 1st time is if you found the book of how to be dictator, just read it and say, okay,
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chuck chuck chip, he hasn't done it wasn't picked the tutorial necessarily and actions as much most of just read or he was what was sort of i call him a match, a dictator at the time. he was a match a dictator. so he was sort of like, he was acting like ronald reagan was acting president. he was acting in the state or in a sense. but it was remarkable because it was almost like a textbook. so he, you know, and i always, your opponents, you cool enemies, enemies of the people. you prevent people from entering america because all the statue of liberty arguments to give me your poor and your suddenly with just your dad's a quote go way go way we don't want white people we, we can take, but now there's no, no, no, no. so in this sense he's, he's sort of a textbook, a textbook authoritarian formula and when people say he's just like puts and he's like, put a note because he looks at pretend and says, i'm going to be like that. no, he just, i want real power. i am real power,
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i want strongly and i'm strong. and in order to have that all people should be like me. so i think he's a specific. he actually is a product of american democracy as, as said, there's a horrible thing that it is. he's a product of hollywood where a good guys finish last. he's sort of this gordon gecko from wall street greet is good. suddenly we're all living in that new portion of it. thank you so much for joining me in upfront. thank you. the on counting the cost as donald trump's term, as policies begin to take shape. we take a look at the potential impact on american industry. consumers of the economy will increase inflation level the playing field, portions of the rules of the global trading system. counting the cost on which is 0
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