no, no, this isn't us challenging stereotypes. seeing that head scarf is a source of strength, faith and identity. though we say we will need to get involved in that because we are in the community. we just don't see it. my job, my choice coming soon on al jazeera, the jail found the leader of the p k. k tools on the curtis group to this fund that follows for decades of fund team a tech here. coffee for to 1000 to was, is coming out and what impacts could it have on so, okay, i'm the region. this is inside store the other there and welcome to the program. i'm to clock. there is no alternative to democracy in the pursuit and realization of a political system. a reasonable statement based would agree. but when those very

woods come from the leader of a group that is for the bits a conflict for, for decades. well, it's world news and they were part of the statements that at the atlanta founder and leader of the code has done work, is bought a o p k k issued from his jail cell in a prison on a tucker shine. and he's being behind boss, since he was abducted in kenya by tucker, special forces to say about 26 years ago. a man revered by his people but reviled by many and took a he now wants his group to lay down at toms and despond. his coolness of major regional political significance reverberating across not just took a but serious a rack and around to so why now could and decades of conflict. and what might the political implications for chuck a, b, and the region will discuss all this and more with, i guess, but 1st, this report from may close in charge of culture and addicted. so complex that's claims. tens of thousands of lives up the level of children. the leader of

the code is workers potty or p k. k says it's time for the group to lay down its arms and disband. notes into the statement was read out by politicians from the pro kurdish people's equality and democracy party of to they visited him in a prison on an island in the sea of my motto of east, on booth. so you and he's of the groups congress to rectify his deficient look you up, i jog. you did that to be a total grade. so you should lay down that um and the p k. k must dissolve itself to cuz president jeff type of the once a tea party has called on the groups. the heat or challenge is called the message of the p k. k is found to was created with celebrations in southeast in toad key. the country's code is how planned the default alarm deems this appropriate.

we will it be him because this issue cannot be solved with weapons and force because we do not want to see blood on all those steps anymore. enough is enough. turkey and the p k. k had been at war for more than 4 decades, with the turkish ministry, attacking targets within the country. and the neighboring iraq. and sylvia and colorado has designated the p k. k as a texas group, as has the us and its best and allies. but at least 40000 people have been killed in the conflict. as the b k came to establish an independent code the state. although in recent times, the focus has been on retail tournament and rights for pets. which helen has been serving the lives sent in since 1999 after being convicted of treason. and his school comes months of to enter a suggested he could be drawn to parole. if the p k gave renounces violence and dispense in

a peace process between the p k k and the toughest state collapse addicted to go, the group has since launched regular attacks in the country. some believe that will challenge called may bring historic changes was the, the i'm starting the picture of the late that the curtis struggle post. right? and remember, this will be given a more legitimate for internal and external really, despite being in china, a challenge remains a huge the influential leader for many cuts. his goal for b is, could have major implications for the region by the p. k. k has flits and syria, iran and iraq, and via his announcement was met with the products and syria co disposes whole significant touch trees. but what influence of children has over them is not care. they come on the region. welcome, a challenge statesman saying the call is not directed at his forces in yeah,

the issue is related to the p j. k. the issue of laying down arms and it has nothing to do with us and it's nothing directed at us and our forces. turkey is will with the p k. k has led to a sweeping crack down against pool kurdish parties and recent yes, the to cause government has accused them of the links to the group for tenants called for peas is being seen the many as a challenge to reset ties, but others kept because of the outcome be positive on the consumption, which is 0 for inside starting as well. this all started when the peak a launch, a non insurgency against tech, a back in 1984. but it's forces urls that presents in the neighboring region. no freights from mountain strongholds in northern iraq and is linked to the y p g fight is in syria, a key ally of the united states. the p. k. k also has forces in iran.

all right, let's get into this with i guess straight away in anger. we have um a who's gainesville j. a non resident fellow at the atlantic council's middle east program director of tucker studies at the on run center for strategic studies in car. oh, it's a heavy yeah. see me, a fellow in geo politics, international security and middle east studies at the role united services institute of defense and security think tank and in the united states in virginia or indeed. and how it's tyler, non resident senior fellow at the foreign policy research institute. here's what laws. the focus is on regional kurdish affairs. a very warm welcome to you. it is a big deal and date the story and actually highly i'd like to start with you for decades of almond struggle for 2000 killed and now the prospect to pace before we. busy move into the nitty gritty of all this. could you just contextualize as far as just how much of a turning point in history could this be if the p k k and they do laid down their

own? thank you for having me on the program. so i'm glad you said good because of course there are multiple possibilities and potentiality is here. but in the event that this does actually leads to a genuine piece and the, the laying down of ours by the p k. k. then i think the ramifications are quite significant, not simply for turkey, but also in syria, a somewhat in a rock as well. and i think that that's the, the key is true here over the past few months. there's been a number of, frankly, seismic changes in the region and they were unrelated, but will interact with each other in quite significant ways. so the fall of the latest news now from the white house with president trump has to meet with you. crimes. president zalinski, let's listen in elf with both of them. he never ever do you want me to say

a really terrible things about post and then say i have a lot of me how we doing on the deal that doesn't work. that way. i'm not aligned with anybody on the line with the united states of america and for the good in the world. i'm a live with the world and i want to get this thing over with you see the hatred he's got start putting that's very tough for me. to make a deal with that kind of, he's got tremendous agents and i understand that, but i can tell any of the other side is exactly love with you know, him either. so. so the question of alignment, i have to, i'm it aligned with the world. i want to get the things that i'm a live with europe. i want to see if we can get this thing done. you want me to meet up. i could be tough and then any human being you've ever seen, i'd be so tough. but you never get to get a deal that way. so that's the way it goes. i one more question. i will respond to this. so what, for 4 years, the united states of america, we had

a president who stood up at press conferences and talked to us about vladimir putin and then to invaded ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country, the path to peace and the path to prosperity is may be engaging in diplomacy. we tried the pathway of joe biden, stopping our chest and pretending that the president of the united states has words mattered more than the president of the united states as actions. what makes america a good country? is america engaging in diplomacy? that's what president trump is doing. task you? sure. yeah. okay. to see. okay, but it's our bars. big bar. so here, train parcels east and try me out. so he'll keep i did on 2042 during the year. so i'm not speaking about his binding, but those time was obama. then president obama, the president tom then present by the now president johnson. god bless. now

president trump was still pm, but during 2014, nobody spoke to you. she just to keep quiet until she killed people. you know what the comfort of 20. 152-420-1420. 14. so i would need to start here. yeah. but the 2nd the right? yes. that the during 20. 14 til 20. 22. yeah. this was the station, the same that people been dying on the conduct line. nobody stopped you. you know that we have conversations. we see a lot of conversation lot, but let's real conversation and we signed with you. me that can you present 2019 i sign with him the deal i signed with him a cool and medicaid was signed. see slide, slide of all of them told me that she will never go. we signed him desk contract, guess quarter. yes, but after that,

he broke in the spot. he killed our people and he didn't exchange business. we signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. what kind of diplomacy? gigi us to gamble with what you, what do you, what do you mean? i'm talking about the kind of diplomacy, if it's going to end the destruction of your country. but he's mr. president with respect, i think it's disrespectful for you to come to the oval and try to litigate this in front of the american media. right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have the manpower problems. you should be thinking the president for the bring it into this into your claims that you said would prominence we have. i have been to come, i've actually, i've actually watched and seen the stories and i know what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour. mister president, are, do you disagree that you've had problems with bringing people in your military? have from do you think that come to the oval states of america and attacked the

administration that is prying to try to prevent the destruction of your country onto a lot of questions. let's start from the big shirt festival. during the war, everybody has problems. even you but you have nice souls and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future. you don't know that god bless you. god bless your. don't tell us why we're going to feel. we're trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we're going to feel loved telling us. no position didn't dictate what we're going to feel. very strong. you're right now, not in a very good position. you're allowed to be an example to be right around the word beginning of the war or not. and it was of the cards right now with us. you saw the car right now, you're the size bread. people see you definitely

with world war 3, gambling with world war 3. and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country. i'm going to use that to you are more than a lot of people said why they should have you suspect he was know, initially he said today you went to pennsylvania and campaign for the opposition in october for some words of appreciation for the united states of america and the president who's trying to save your country, please, you're seeing that if you will speak, were lower level, if it were, you were not speaking loudly. you're caught in big trouble. no, no. your country is in big trouble. i know you're not waiting all this time. you have a damn you a chance because we're saying, you know, we're constantly staying strong from the very beginning of the war. we've been a little and we have sampled. i said,

these presidents, 350000000000 dollar equipment you raise, but they have to use our military equipment, our military equipment. this wall would have been over to do with jim from fulton in 3 days. this is how they do this in 2 weeks. of course. yeah, it's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this is a thank you i there are disagreements and let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to find it out of the american media. when you're wrong, we know that you're wrong, but you see, i think it's good for the american people to see what's going on. that's why i kept this guy so of the you have to be thankful. you don't have the car, so you're buried there yet. people it died. so do all this at home, play around

a swollen soldiers. it wouldn't be a damn. i don't want to cease fire. i don't want to cease fire. i want to go and i want this i you can get a ceasefire right now. i tell you, you take it so the bullet stuff flying and you men stuff, quarter details because i want to sold the war. but i don't want to say to you, i want to see why are empty because you get a cease fire faster than any color people of all just fine of what they see. there was one that was with me that was a guy named buddy. no. is not a smart person, the excuse me, that was with obama, who gave you sheets and i gave you javelin. yeah, i gave you the javelins to take out all those tags. obama gave you sheets. in fact, the statement is obama gave sheets, and trump gave javelins. you gotta be more insightful because let me tell you 0 and have the cards with us. you have the cards. but without us,

you don't have any cards. because he added 2 attempts to change what do you say? she's asking, what are what are the, what are the bomb drops right now? ok. i don't know. they greeted with by because by the respective they didn't respect obama. they respect me. let me tell you, put my, to a hell of a lot with the he went through a phone in which on where they used him in russia, russia, russia, russia, you ever hear that deal? that was a phony, that was a pony hunter by the joe biden. we scan hillary clinton ship the item chef it was a democrats. yeah. and he had to go through that. and he did go through and we

ended up in a war and he went through it. he was accused of all that stuff. he has nothing to do with it came out of hunter by whose bathroom they came out there by the as it was discussed. and then they said, oh oh, the laptop from hell was made by russia. the 51 agents. so there was a scam and he had to put up with that he was being accused of all that stuff. all i can say is this. he might have broken deals with obama and bush, and he might have broken and was by he did say the maybe he didn't, i don't know what happened, but he didn't break. it was a he wants to make a deal. i don't know if you can make it to you. the problem is that is donald trump and let him it the landscape. speaking at the white house, we understand that we have that feedback. we're going to go back and listen to

the what that was the end of what can only be described really as a remarkable press conference they have between ukrainian for the president of a lot of me is a landscape and a us president donald trump. uh, a lots to unpack the obviously, uh, president trump enzo landscape. i was talking over the top of each other as well as the vice president,

jody vaughn's also timing in time and time. again. you can uh sit, failed attention. uh, as, as we were watching that play out in front of the world's media, we're going to go to ellen fisher, who's also been watching that very closely for us from the white house. ellen, have you, we have a annual time covering a, an american president ever seen? anything like what we've just witness between to suppose it allies. i know nothing like you. i told i it's incredible. lovely. let me tell you that the exchange in the oval office lasted probably around 30 minutes, maybe more. and you can see why, what has been played out is the last 510 minutes of that because that is historic. it's incredible that you saw voices being raised in the oval office between 2 countries that are said to be a lot and certainly is set the tone for what we might expect in the coming hours, whether they'll know be a joint press conference joint use conference is certainly up for grabs,

but you can see that there is a great deal of frustration on both sides. let them use the landscape, did not want to be lectured about ukrainian history. donald trump and his vice president judy bonds did not want to hear from a let him use the landscape unless he was being grateful for the support that the us has given. donald trump, again saying that the us have provided $350000000000.00 and $8.00. it's know, it's around to $180000000000.00 to you again repeated that, but rock obama only send blankets. he didn't know. he said military a but not offensive military aid. and then of course, he went off on the rush of rush to a rough just thing claiming the blood to me have put in somehow went through that as well as donald trump. and that is why they are close. it is incredible to think that donald trump is trying to negotiate a peace between russia and ukraine. when what is clear is that there's a great deal of entity towards ukrainians in particular to let them use the

landscape. but as we pointed out by the kind of wind, i'm lucky with you today, role, there is every possibility. this was done. so the tv cameras, because donald trump can then say to his people, to his crowds, hey, take a look at what sort of guy i'm dealing with. he hasn't been grateful. unplugging me as the landscape who has noticed that his approval rating in the us has gone. don't me? well see the among republican voters, kate goes down farther and makes it easier for the us to walk away from support. although congress continues to send military aid, and certainly donald trump campaigned on the fact that he wanted to end this war and stopped financial support for ukraine. it makes it easier to do that. now when you see what has happened over the last 1015 minutes in the oval office, it is quite stunning. what has happened there in you'd, you touch on this a little bit to donald trump playing up for the cameras as we know he is want to do

normally these 5 side chance in the oval office is only a couple of minutes long outside and then the 2 latest generally go off and have a private conversation. and then off to after that they then go and have a longer press conference, but that didn't happen. and in this instance, did it. why is that? what luke? but what we've seen this week, if you think of the 2 liters i've been here before president michael does a disagreement with donald trump about the amount of money that the united states has put into ukraine compared to europe. he said that the united states has put in more than double mccomb very gently put his hand on donald trump, the shoulder, which was quite stunning. and it's one way to say you're wrong. and then we had q stomach kind to do the same sort of thing when it came to the money and say, look, we gave them money as well. it wasn't just loans that were grants involved in that . but there was no reason voice. it's loading me was the lens he simply wasn't going to be lectured about ukrainian history. and so he tried very quickly to put

his point. he didn't races voice initially, but it came from both the vice president, judy barnes and donald trump. okay. i'm sorry to interrupt you. now i understand that we do now have the very 1st part of the meeting. what you watch just before was was the end of it. we're going to take up the 1st pod. let's take a listen. now the thank you very much. it to the other, the president, so ej k of ukraine and we've been working very hard, very slow. so we've actually known each other for a long time. we've been dealing with each other for a long time and very well. we have little negotiations that, that work actually i think for both countries, i think for the world actually beyond both factors and we have something that is a very fair deal. and we look forward to getting in and digging and digging and

digging and working and getting some of the rear. but it means we're going to be inside. and that's a big commitment from the united states. and we appreciate working with you very much and we will continue to do that. we have had some very good discussions with russia. i spoke with president boynton and where they're trying to bring this to. it was something that you want and that he wants, we have to negotiate a deal. but we've started the confines of a deal and i think something can happen. the big thing is the number of soldiers mostly at this point, but soldiers being guilty of losing thousands of thousands of dollars. so that's what, losing a lot of soldiers, and we want to see a stop and we want to see the money get put to different kinds of us, like rebuilding the rebuilding. and we're going to be working very hard. but we've had a lot of very good conversations as well. so until we came along the by the administration

didn't speak to russian, whatsoever. it is make anybody, they just allowed this to continue. and i will say that i'll say in front of you, you've heard me say it a 1000 times. if i were president, this world would have never happened. we would have had a deal negotiated for you without having to go through what you've gone through. but you, your soldiers have been unbelievably brave. we've given them great equipment, but they have somebody else to use the equipment. they've been unbelievably brave. and we give them great credit. this was supposed to be over very quickly. and here we are 3 years later. so i give a tremendous credit to your generals and you soldiers and yourself in the sense that it's been very hard fighting, very tough fighting a freight fighters. and you have to be very proud of them from that. the now we want to get it, it's enough. we want to get an overlay, so it's an honor to have you here. thank you very much for coming. we're going to

sign the agreement at the conference in the east room a little while right after lunch. and we'll be having lunch together. we'll also discussing some other things. can we appreciate everybody being here? it's a somewhat of an exciting moment, but the really exciting moment is where we get when they stop the shooting. and we end up with video and i think we're fairly close to getting that and an honor to have you and please like to say something now thanks so much was present. thank you for invitation. and i hope that these documents sales document a little bit. so step 2 for your security guarantees for your brain, our people, our children. i really compliments. and of course, we call that america with most of the supports really for us, it's very important to support and to continue it. i want to discuss it with the test for the during our conversation. and of course,

the infrastructure or security guarantees best for today. i understand what you're ready to do, and of course i want to discuss with you what you're not as space will be ready to do. and i really count on your strong position to stop pushing. and, and you said that, you know, with the war, i think that's very important. being to say these words, to put in the word beginning at the very beginning, a war because he's a killer and terrorist. but i hope that together we can stop him. but for us, it's very important to you know, to save our country. our weather is our freedom and democracy had of course, i know promises where they kill a about the territories, but it will be later. and of course i, what i wanted, you know, we spoke about 2 by 4 involved the draws for adoption. we have a very good job. i think the best one in the world for today because of the war. yes, and of course we need very much of an air defense. do you have the best deal?

and really you have task under the desk of rations and i want to speak how we can exchange the licensees will open to share the licenses. i'll follow up with you, of course, with united states, and we need licenses, complete for adoption, fair defense, you and all, we need our nation to be calm with secure. so that's why we need this year shield to add the cost involved. these. i want to speak about the contagious. i think that the prompts and u. k. already spoke to and we know that without united states they will be ready to be as strong as we need. and the last point that's not least about exchange of all our people and children. and you know that these crazy directions that they sold to get thousands of children, grandchildren, they changed their names, they changed their habits, relatives,

now they rush. we want to bring them back. that's really, it's a big, big dream task in goal for me. and, and our was we, by the way, it's fairly broad. we exchange we, yes, or at least more than 4000 orders from nation present. but there are solvers more in the prison to wanted to share with you some, some images just just getting, getting some in some one minute. one minute just you to understand what the circumstances and what sedation day off of what they do to rush into our business. then the guys just you before, before and often before an officer just you to understand now cells and saw such guys state isn't a man there. and that so they don't, they feed them. um they,

you know, lot of a lot of bad things. so our, our adults, even during the war, there are rules. everybody knows the rules during the was these guys, they don't have any rules. you see that 5062 around a lot of side of things. and i didn't want to show you what the weather changes with the images of children, because i will share or just share with you. i mean, it's looking stuff stuff to you. you see, this is plus or by the way they spelt and busters, because it's so fresh insurance is stolen busters, and move busters to the present. we, at the end of last year we.