to adult medical crisis images underlining the pivotal role of these dedicated cares in e now are an island called a, with this documentary on that jersey though, it was meant to pave the way for a c spot and ukraine. but the public meeting between presidents, donald trump, unplugged them, is that men speak to contentious in the us. presidents has threatened to restore his support. what does this mean for the war and ukraine with washington forces settlements with most of this is inside story, the hello the i'm james bays, a visit that ukraine's president zalinski hope would secure us support in the face of russia's invasion. instead ended in

a very public route. the meeting with president trump at the white house was supposed to be about signing the rights to some of the cranes read us minerals. chief hope that would keep us assistance coming to spike not containing any guarantees of security against russia, instead of presidency landscape. go to dressing down from trump and he's vice president j. d vance, who accused the war time lead showing disrespect and ingratitude. now trump is threatening to pull support from ukraine unless it accepts in principle, a peace still the us has yet to negotiate with most scope. european leaders who thought they had brought trump back from on the side. now face the prospect of supporting ukraine alone. we'll get to our guess in just a few moments. first, for the a call has all report arriving to sign a deal on the extraction of ukraine's rare earth minerals with united states. president vladimir savanski is meeting at the white house. with his counterpart,

donald trump appeared to begin quarterly look for the cameras in the oval office. what kind of diplomacy? gigi us, to gamble with what started as a disagreement between so landscape and vice president cheney vance, about russia's willingness to engage in peace, aggressive respect. i think it's disrespectful for you to come to the oval office. try to litigate this in front of the american media to send it into a very public ground. you're allowed all the way and if there's anything that example should be right around the word beginning of the war or not in a good position, it was, you don't have the cards right now with us. you start having all kinds car right now. you're going to give you a choice for you to do a gambling with a lot of people seeing you gambling with world war 3 gambling with world war 3. and what you're doing is very just disrespectful to the country the do you offering to us access to ukrainian minerals. but without security guarantee sought by keith was left on the table assigned. and so lensky was told to be quite as if

it would be difficult to, with all of your support. he later told us media the relationship could be salvaged . but ukraine's biggest supporters in the republican party, skeptical we want to be health. when i saw in the oval office was disrespectful. and i don't know if we can ever do business with is the lights the again, the drama appears to have up and it efforts by european allies to patch up relations between the us and ukraine. as washington pushes for direct peace talks with moscow during a meeting with the u. k. prime minister care storm earlier this week, trump walk back and review which he calls the landscape a dictator. did i said, i can't believe i said the next racial shocked. european leaders have again rallied behind to landscape through this. i think we all know the situation using the aggressor, which is russia and the people attack,

which is ukraine. i think we are. we're right to have helped ukraine and sanctioned russia 3 years ago. the trump administration has been and talks end up mending relations with russia and assigned progress. moscow appointed a new investor to washington on friday. do you think the inspect alons to come to the oval? the oval office route has highlight what's being seen as a major shift in traditional us allegiances, as washington, preparing for peace talks with russia without ukraine, and you're at the table. those keys says it won't degree to any piece that security guarantees. now trump is threatening to pulse support from ukraine. if it doesn't back his peace plants. he's got to say, i want to make peace. he doesn't have to say there is say about putting this put that all the negative things. you've got to say i want to make peace. i don't want to fight a war. the longer these people are dying with the prospect of america withdrawing.

it's the 4th year of may have to decide if it will for if it can support ukraine alone for the car, how to 0 for inside store, as well as bringing all guess today to discuss this further from odessa and ukraine withdrawing by michael best, the q a global affairs analyst and senior fellow at the atlantic council's erase has sent up in week clo island. we have scott lucas, who is professor of us and international politics, a university college dublin, and, and also live in no way. glen decent is professor of international relations at the university of south east, no way, an associate editor of russia in global affairs. welcome to you, we'll well, um, we saw something, i think pretty unprecedented. yes, that'd been lots of tough co. the sections before in the oval office but not one like that played out in front of the cameras. scott, a disastrously bad tempered summit. would you agree?

you're being very kind with the word tough. let's cut to the chase in terms of what happened and analyze it. so this was effectively as long as the landscape following a manual macro, frontier storm or bush. so you can essentially security guarantees against flushes full stabilization. indeed russians attack since 2014. the sign in the middle of the agreement is the 1st stage and that he was ambush like a batch. i don't want trouble replay the full conversation, but what it happened is that j. d, that had said present job, i was terrible. you know, we just did awful things. president trump is wonderful. she does diplomacy and wants to lensky heard, quite rightly is justification of these us russian talks cutting out in print, cutting out drugs. and he responded by saying, trying to explain, in fact, how russia, in fact, has negotiated they have negotiated with russia and russia has walked away from attempts that agreement since 2014, including 2019 and russia has continued the killing. and russia has continued the

seizing of territory and tried to split off. you print all of which is true despite what we might hear from here just in just a minute. uh, j events, then even extreme events. uh so what kind of diplomacy you're talking about in shady vance rather than answering the question, just jump them, stroked and said he was being disrespectful. he was plain to the cameras. he should be grateful to donald trump. in other words, valid down before the king. trump, for the go had been stolen, key drops, and it devolves from there. the effect of this is to fold, and i'll set this up for the discussion 1st as is it is immediately means that the trump administration is walking away from ukrainian security and indeed european security. they're walking away from the immediate guarantees to protect your friends energy installations, your kind, strong manufacturing and. but they're also walking away from aspects of cooperation with nato and working with for example, the european union. and secondly, what the truck ministration is doing is effectively outline with the current one

not only with the direct costs, but with the criminals. propaganda lines propaganda lines that we measure in just a 2nd about how this is all bladder. recruiting is the victim of a proxy war. he is the victim of nato in the west. he is just defending himself, all of which is likely i'm true, which we can take a part if those propaganda one to replay. the question here beyond those 2 fundamental points is, can europe and the international community staff thought to ensure that you credit the resistance that it civilians continue to be protected and half of security and sovereignty that every country should have. thank you, scott scott. so they're saying it was planned, i'm bush glen, he's not the only person saying that 2 against one j events and trump, they planned this, they, they planned to take on. so let skin that. why do you agree with that assessment of why this went off the rails?

well, the way they saw it was that the he was sign school's 1st seemed to be a. you have to be disrespectful the way they see it. but i have to agree that what, what, how, how do i define, like i said, was really what's, what's what i mean, let's just take that point because that is a point that i repeat it repeatedly, may made that the disrespect to the oval office. did you, hey, run the thing just the way the tone off. so let's see. that was disrespectful. well, the argument from savanski was massive, was criticizing vance for while vance was calling for diplomacy. now i think the strikes to defend from it to which was that the united states is pushing very hard for it to time some basic negotiations which takes into account some of the realities on the ground. now again, the, the reason why this conflict again in, in, in the oval office was because it was,

i think you'll be poorly planned in advance. that is step the documents for the natural resources. it was very ambiguous. and i think one of the reasons for this was that i'm actually going to resolve some of the issues, which was what would the ukraine getting the return? so the security guarantee so, so the key issue that is student and the ukrainians wanted security guarantees for, for, to some extent, for this resources. while the trump administration did not want to give these resources simply because they see it as being a pathway to world war 3. and the way the american see it is that the and that the security guarantees can provide the terms for russia. but it can also create incentives for, for a ukraine to restart the war, so they will get americas to support on their side if they want to re conquer a territory. so i think we saw this happening from both sides. this are a bit to yeah, i'm the blue magic language that okay, both i can see stories going to come to just to be. emily disagrees with you. i'll

bring him in in a moment. but michael, that point to about this being badly planned. i mean, the planning for this really was old on from the american side. was it not? and trump is really the one who holds the cards when someone comes in into the oval office is trump who let the cameras stay to watch what normally would be a behind the scenes close go me to yeah, you, you, when you hit the nail on the head, i mean this is clearly an opportunity for trump to throw red meat to his maggot base and you know, project himself with strong and powerful and the deal maker. but i, i think that's where he is. i wrote in my world briefing blog today, i think there was more here than met the eye in our 1st quote that was, i think, was indicating this is that it looked like a little bit to script a little bit too much. like a set up. i think it was actually a truck for the landscape. what might have been happening in the background is that um, where are the elements deal that was being negotiated from the truck point of view,

perhaps they've got to water down. they didn't, they didn't have what they wanted in it, and they decided let's sabotaged it. and at the same time, let's humiliate the leader of ukraine, who is also very popular in other countries as well. but um it's, it's absolutely despicable behavior. i think this was the trump school yard bully diplomacy on displayed. having said all of that, so what i'm hearing from friends and contacts here and ukraine is kind of 5050 different reaction. but to some say that perhaps it could have been a little bit prepared and i'll give you one example there in that horrible meltdown . i was under date events or trunk mentioned of the visit of mister zalinski and his party to pennsylvania. in the closing weeks of the big campaign. and um i, if i said back then it might have been, and even though now it's a 0 that what that was probably a political miscalculation because these guys who are the holders of power right

now have long memories. and they're very resentful. they're very angry and now they're using that against themselves. maybe some missteps from before, but i'll try a sorry mr. zalesky will likely come home as a hero because at the end of the day he did stand up for your crime. and michael is one point i want another point i want to raise with you quickly. i mean, this was the landscape was automatically sits on teach watson to you. i mean, i watched presence lens getting going to is news conferences over the last 3 years, various countries around the world during the 1st year of the war. he didn't speak english or tools anyway, he didn't have good enough english. and when he gives a news conference, normally he offices questions in ukraine in when report his offs on english. she was, he was after a disadvantage from, from one wasn't in that full match. yeah. for sure, and i think um, i watched him carefully over the years, he looked very tired. um and of course grew

a very frustrated and of course he was ridiculed for not wearing a suit. well, that's kind of his, you know, trademark ca, signature. so, you know, we see come to think of it, we see the saddle, vice president alone most in the old little office dressed. i think very disrespectfully and sunglasses and baseball cap kids running around. so the decorum of the oval office has followed a long time ago. under mr. trump and you know, the other thing does quickly, it's if my calculations are right, this is the 50th month of the trump both presidencies. and you would have thought that he would have learned a thing or 2 about diplomacy and you know, handling liter as well. but this was absolutely despicable in an embarrassment for america. yes. but scott, could you not put it the other way? trump spin around so long, we sort of know how trump looks. if soleski fell into a trap, should he not have seen it coming? and we have had the experience. and i know this is just on the style of the

substance, but we have had the experience of all the leaders. we saw the french president, the manual macro, and the british prime minister kissed alma in recent days in the oval office. they were smiling, they were phoning, they were flattering king abdullah, so that smiling stoically, even as trump said things, but they really strongly disagreed with should. so let's give take him the baked. well, like mike was watching this on ski carefully. and i think the best thing to do is just to analyze, why is the lensky responded the way that he did and contrary to what plan. so this would have been very, very carefully planned between the your pins and ukrainians. the macro visit is connected to the star visit, which is connected to the launch control. because of the attempt to get some security guarantees. specifically putting usa our power in poland and remaining up to cover deployment of troops to protect facilities in western europe, right. such as energy infrastructure,

such as pro manufacturing plants against russia is the tax of the railroads. deal was to be the 1st step to it. but i think once the, once the knew what made it like going into that room is, is a trump in vance. we're not going to work with him to get the security guarantees. he knew that had gone. and when vance, he got frustrated because there was a lot of this information being put out. a lot of the pro criminal minds that we heard from bland. but somehow, the security guarantees mean that ukraine will attack russia, which is nonsense. the truck's main motive is to prevent world war 3, which isn't really nonsensical. it's actually just to make money and the look good in photo opportunities. and when's the last the affectively got that line from j events of the old peasant juncture after the diplomacy put yourself into issues that he isn't present. c, 2019 you print for the past 11 years. hes try and diplomacy. they've tried diplomacy with the neighboring country that remember,

has seized part of the country that sees crime. yeah. that has tried to split the country even before 2022 with fibers warfare with special forces with electronic warfare, cyber warfare, this information. and that since 2022, the country which is killed tens of thousands, be financial feelings and has supported hundreds of thousands including when have $20000.00 children. and zalinski made that response, and he did it politely, which said, look, we tried diplomacy, which is absolutely true. we try diplomacy. we tried it in march and april of 2022, with the as simple agreement when russian was trying to overrun change. and it was russia that backed away from that agreement and what was going to say, but it was the rush of that back away from that agreement by opposing the conditions. and what's a wednesday is hearing is the us are going to deal with russia on rushes turns, which is russia is demanding that it be able to annex for regions of ukraine, even though it doesn't control some of those regions. it is demanded that the us

actions be lifted, and it is demanding that you can be neutral and demilitarized words, let her put and put it on wednesday. that you can have a government that is acceptable to moscow. letting your name is being invoked several times. both of the other panelists, i think, disagree with you, your chance to respond. yes sir, i, i'm not sure where the disagreement comes in disagree or as the document time. this is the some of the most of the biggest documents i've ever seen in terms. so who would the watts and the condition to surround it? so i think there's a very, it was a very indeed very, i'm vigorous. so i, i don't really disagree with that, that it could have been an ambush. that is the way that i think it's a landscape. of course the, the should have been much more diplomatic in his language about the way that the advanced jumped in. it's, it's hard to imagine that to you, whatever acted as so fiercely if you haven't had the green light in advance from trump. so i think they have had some pressure. they started off quite politely. but i think that it's that lensky refused to follow trans popped in the war. i think

that probably have planned in advance to increase the pressure on savanski, which of course came off the expressed in a very bullying manner. so i don't really understand the context of recent weeks. i mean, you, perhaps you can see a reason, right. so let's keep much of being wild. he was called a dictator. by trump. he was told, perhaps that the war was ukraine's fault when it was russia that invaded ukraine 3 years ago. and i'm already, even though there's no peace deal signed, russia is reaping the benefits just a matter of hours ago, in a stumble that were talks between the us and russia and russia is going to have an impass of the back in washington dc. zalinski probably had a reason, didn't need to be so good by the way, things are getting no, sir, he said feels fair and secure about this may now lie. so that's not there. a strange thing about the word didn't really start 3 years ago. i think it's quite

all obvious and more started in 2014 began when the nato countries supported a to a new claim that has to new york times reported as well on the 1st day after the cool and to see i and then my 6 began to move in already establishing secret basis along the russian border. so an european diplomats have confirmed this is one of the reasons why the russians in data is well with and when it comes to east on both . so 3 years ago this is very clearly not the russians have walked away and never actually heard this argument before. it's what we know is from both the mediators both the surround list and the turks west at the ukrainians. and the russians are very close to deal. this will probably take like on, i want to very quickly bring scott in because i do want a very quickly respond to that. give you 22nd scott, because i do want to keep looking forwards rather than back. oh, absolutely, no, but to point, i mean that's really bad. just information that you got, 1st of all, but my dan revolution was not organized by the c i n m i 6 c. i knew my 6 to not

establish secret basis to support them. i then revolution as options, lars. secondly, if you go to the documents from the is simple conference and if you follow the track of that, and if you talk to the ukrainian mediators who were there and other officials who were there when the deal was close in april, the russians imposed under conditions that include further restrictions on ukraine's military included further restrictions on your parents. political choices . in other words, effectively saying you cannot have alliances with or, and cannot have went through the western countries. and it didn't post political conditions on the authority of ukraine, including over part of its country. okay. so it's, it's got to tell you that you've had more than 20 seconds. right to ship. um, let's move forward. michael. so lensky is, it seems, trying to still salvage the situation. he says he believes the relationship with trump come. the salvage, the went on fox news, that's where people go when they want to talk to trump top. trump's not talking to

them, and he produced this rather detailed statement when he landed in london quite a long statement. he's produced here and he seems to say in this statement, but it's crucial to have president trump's support, and we need the security guarantees. but the question to you is, the security get guarantees will rely on trusting trump and all they will send the thing a tool. yeah, exactly. yeah. and everyone here in ukraine of course, remembers the 1990 is in the budapest memorandum where ukraine handed over its entire nuclear weapons stockpile to interrupt shots in return for security guarantees including from the united states. so that is very much in the minds of ukrainians, and i think i of the times there was a lot of nervousness here with us. let us get going to washington, not because of the way he would act, but because of this minerals deal, a lot of people here are talking, describing it as giving way, way too much a way for very little in terms of security guarantees. but i think if there's any

kind of positive news looking forward, but it's all very up to you right now, is that, you know, at the moment you crank and probably go according so many l as until march or april . uh, with the us military support. it has uh and also, i believe the share contribution of us military to create it has gone from about the 70 percent mark to around 40 or so. and of course to crane is producing a lot of drones and weaponry on its own now. but there is also, of course, the realization that europe test doesn't have to fire power to replace anything very quickly. but um, what, another quick point because i know we want to move on is um, there are 3 things that could happen very quickly from the trump side. that could be very damaging to claim number one. they could switch off to star lake uh, communication system, which the military relies on instantly. of course, a lot of the most drums big bother you who has control over that correct the

shuttle cardinal or what is that coffee? and then secondly, um uh, god forbid that say americans stop showing satellite intel with your credit is because they need that for targeting information within restaurant. and then thirdly, most importantly for ukrainians and clinton, people here in odessa and the port near me is uh, if they were to disable the patriot missile defense system, that would leave ukraine. very, very exposed. but you know, with the someone is on hand. just get an unpredictable as mr. trump is very angry. right now. one or all 3 of those things could happen were in a very, very dangerous time. i can't overemphasize it. okay, scott, it all moves now to london with european leaders all gathering for a summit. what does a to now do you expect unity and is there not a problem here that all of these leaders? yes, they say they support ukraine, but none of them want to criticize trump. we saw a macro and stomach in the oval office. they all roll treading very,

very carefully themselves to i think 2 things happen. um, the 1st is, is that your pass to stop at all. um, michael does make the points very clearly that in fact, the share of, you know, your, your provides the largest amount of a both military and non military to ukraine already. and they're stepping up to military assistance. and you have to commit to that. you have to talk about how you can have a security guarantee which can have your pin or power, not us your power and cure summer candidates out actually uh, before the truck polanski meeting yesterday. you have to commit to the humanity or in a that continues, you have to commit to providing your defenses. that might be an alternative to the patriots, such as the german air defense systems. you have to have joined up thinking even if you cannot cover all of the usa. but secondly, what you have to do is you have to provide that solidarity and the support that took place. and i think what was striking yesterday, he was overwhelmed by trauma. cuz he slots all the oxygen out of the room. but

within moments of that press conference, you have well over 20 europe and leaders who would express heart felt support to ukraine. almost every leader except for me victim more about a former troop horses very close to, to mr. fulton, came out and said that what was important was continuing to support the pregnant people and their representative presence lensky. and i think some of them will display that, and i think to answer your other point there is they'll leave the door open for trump or the trump administration. because remember the ministry such as donald trump. okay, so let, let me bring in plan because you'll, there are no way very close to russia on the border. the tell me how are they going to view this in moscow? i mean, people say they have seen that meeting with absolutely, but of course, if it means that there is no peace deal and no end to the war, that's not good news for poor tennessee as well. they have 2 options. so again, it's worth pointing out that trump is i'm giving away anything for free here,

the worse over that is so the ukrainians don't really have much manpower left. the nato doesn't have much more weapons to send and receive the front lines are collapsing. and this is why it's important to recognize realities on the ground as press to a piece. so, but again, for the russians, they see this one dilemma one. they can go for the territories. that is, for example, let's say that natal continues to threaten to expand if they have the option between the best in nato or the site in russia and they will, they will, the next said, this region says, well, have to have the option of a deal which trump, to pursue it presents, then they're willing to accept a neutral at this with a new crime. now, i think that the russians will be, you would prefer a diplomatic agreement if they can, the result what we never were able to resolve after the cold war. that is a mutual acceptable post cold war settlement where the rest of the force piece of stability isn't for nato in this military infrastructure to continuously expand up on towards the russian border. so of course i do think that there have been bit

relieved because i think many were worried that after the storm or, and the crew on that the europeans and so landscape was going to be able to pull and tangle united states into this war. and that's what the security security guarantees were intended to do, letting you say ukraine is collapsing, certainly they are losing ground, but losing ground extremely slowly starting to to load. guess today, michael? most acute scott lucas and glen decent. stay tuned for continuing coverage from our teams. on the ground in ukraine and reports from washington, dc and all that summers in london analysis to an hour, which is 0 don't com. we want to hear from you go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story, or next find us at a inside story for me change phase and all the inside story teams, they say bye for now. the of

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