the muslim community in diana, living in a fiber and are being called to this country. we're blessed. we live in harmony with all different regions. i'll just give a wealth, travels to south america for a guy, and these rama times as long as the lakes and they enjoy doing it. we have a rich country in terms of diversity, and that is something that we can celebrate around the time. in diana, on alice's era, disease fire and gaza hines in the balance. as israel insist on extending phase one, thomas says it's a breach of the original truce agreement. benjamin netanyahu is wanting of consequences, as a group does not accept. so will israel resume its wall on gaza all come to the seas, find the salvage? this is inside. sorry. the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm rob matheson palestinians, and guys, it was suppose to enter the holy month of ramadan in some form of peace as the 2nd phase of the seas. 5 between israel and thomas good underway. but is there any prime minister benjamin netanyahu, whose government now wants to renegotiate the terms? israel is pressuring homeless to extend the 1st phase of the cx, 5, and exchange for releasing half of the remaining 59 captives. adults cut all fade and supplies to gaza. again, how much is accusing israel of carrying out a tube against the existing deal? it says the international community has to act. thomas says it wants to continue has agreed with talks on face to the seems fire. and that includes negotiating. the withdrawal of israeli troops from the strip, but israel's appears intent on changing the deal and it seems to have strong

backing from the trump administration. we're going to speak to our guests in a moment. first, this report by fatty a car surrounded by the ruins of their own homes, palestinians and guys to take what joy they can celebrating the holy month of ramadan at last we science is rarely palming. but that piece now hangs in the balance. first for he to day phase of the seas far between israel and a mass ended on saturday. israel has now cut off supplies and threatened consequences, unless from us agrees to new terms. my says that amounts to blackmail israel is now endorsing us plas for an extension of the ceasefire over ramadan and the jewish holiday of passover, rather than entering the greet 2nd phase talks and phase 2 were mentioned to go shake the withdrawal and was ready forces from casa,

and the release of all $59.00 remaining captives, $24.00, who are believe to still be alive. but some says israel has refused to engage a new proposal. us envoys, steve with cost would see half of the remaining cap is released once an agreement is reached and the other half when both sides agree, permanency is fire, says allowing israel to a band and phase $2.00 would give it the option to resume fighting. once all captains are returned, that's because israel would effectively ditch phase 3 and the ending cost of these and negotiating the rebuilding of gaza and it's future governance. something israel has been keen to avoid. the don't want the power as soon as they don't want to buy a national state. they don't want to configuration. they want the jewish state and all of palestine, and they're trying to do it by force, get the palestinians out of gas or push. now either the west bank, the road or they pushed 4050000 out of the camps and they're going to try to get them out. but these postings are not going to go anywhere. the ceasefire brought

some reprieve to them, more than 2000000 people in gaza. his license being wrecked by simon and displacement, and despite repeated his ready violations, cutting more than 100 pounds of stains. during the trace blocking the entry of shelters, a mass has been pushing to continue the seas far. but with broad backing from the new us trump administration, it's really appears intent henri shaping has its own interest, palestinians across guys that remain defiant and resilient the we are here in the midst of destruction and rumble, and we stayed fast despite the paint and wounds. we are breaking out fast on our land and we will not leave this place. we will stay here. celebrating ramadan was there, surviving family palestinians here can only hope for lasting peace. for the a car which is 0 for inside story. the

we're going to bring in, i guess now in bethlehem we have have a, i will age, he's a political analyst. he's also a former advisor to the p l. o and also of the book of lucid and palestine. joining us from washington dc is funds as the rest of the name is a former us ambassador to egypt into ki i. he's also a former president of the american university in cairo. and in west jerusalem we have, we have shown baskin he's, i'm at least director of the n g o, the international communities organization. he's also a former piece and hostage negotiator. thank you very much indeed for being with us . gosh, and i want to come to you 1st. what's your take on this proposal to extend phase one. i think it's a nonstarter. i think it was a non starter. the moment it was presented by the it's really sorry to the americans to steve would cost the presidential invoice. and it was very clear from the opposite that from us would not agree when they entered into this and negotiated in deal a 44 or 45 days ago. it's very clear that from us entered the agreement because

they understood in phase 2, it would lead to the end of the war, and his rarely withdrawal from casa now was really trying to re engage on their obligation to end the war and withdrawal from gaza. and from us, of course, is not going to release the $5990.00 hostages until there is, it is really guaranteed to end the warming withdrawal from casa a hobby. a let me come to you because uh, this a statement is come out from us. um, in which, uh they say they've already signed a discussion with saying a 3 stage ceasefire agreement under the auspices of sort of policy media interests, including the americans. uh, the understanding from what i got from was saying that there was never an expectation on this. the homeless was willing to accept this because what's happening that this a states rob and thanks for inviting me here is the, the us of easterwood are in violation of the ceasefire dean, but we'll find a few weeks ago. and i think, i think it's very important to emphasize on this point and also to realize the level of coordination that the us of getting facebook trumpet ministration and

these for you, the government, it have a business date. it was just a few hours from, from this u. s. adoption of a new start, a new position which was to extend face one and not to get to a face to it that led to its center. and for any announcements, simple some support the by the us, including hold the old to many parent a to desa at the beginning go from other from says this the way this is being reported. it seems like is related essentially things like give us everything you want that. so the deal is this actually a negotiation anymore? well it seems like the israelis are moving the goalpost here. it is clear that the in the larger picture, both sides have lost it or neither side is an easy way out. and the united states is trying to work away in between at least the short term fixed on

the table to get them it's, and these are speech by a to rama down. that would be something. but the, the problem is that both sides are stuck. they can't get out of this without even worst losses. how must have nowhere to go, nothing, nothing. you can salvage from this war, that it on me at once. it were to give up all the hostages on this really side. they have no, no plan, no idea of where to go. and as a previous commentator has said, they rejected units already state they reject paid or anything. they seem to have in large. they're working too uh removing the, the palestinian people from what i that's clearly not going to happen. they seem to be enlarged and to remove people from the west bank. and that's not going to happen . so both sides are stuck. it seems to me the best that can happen here is for them both sides to accept the united states, the proposal for their short term at least to get to ramadan and pass over me. i'm

guessing how much of this do you think this extension by, by the us and subsequently by israel is ultimately about avoiding israel withdrawing its troops from gaza and commissioning to end the war under face to the problem from these really point of view is that as long as the massive gains in control of god, so it has its military arm still functioning. there is a real test one and the war is, will, of course, will not end the world as long as hostages remaining casa, and there's a very strong belief on the as really side, particularly in the government. that if they do and the work out from us will only entrench its position, will gain in strength and will continue threatened israel. this is why i think we're seeing a call that thing that the, our world will see this in the, our summit that's coming up with you. not either a position both on the need to end the war, bring the hostages home it and see a different governance or palestinian governments in cost of which would be acceptable,

are legitimate by the majority of palestinians and yet with no longer be a threat to israel. this all has to be packaged in a political understanding that we're moving towards the 2 state solution. and it's obvious that with the current is where the government, that's not a reality that we can expect. so there needs to be political move into, we want to see the changes in causes that need to happen because there's a humanitarian disaster there with more than 2000000 homeless people, there needs to be an international effort, primarily a regional efforts to see how we bring this to a close that will lead to an end of the war, the awesome digital and the replacement of gusts of how about us. and also if we get to the point have a of, of reaching the deadlock that we, we seem to be getting close to as far as the negotiations are concerned. i want to ask you about how much and tensions with regard to disarmament because it is one of the things. but i have not been aware of all that. they have said that they have been meeting the, the agreement, their side of the agreement in terms of the ceasefire. but there doesn't appear. and they've, even as we know, i said that they are prepared to step back from the administration of guys as well

. we've what we've not seen, or any clear statements about the removal of weapons and who those weapons would be handed to. do you think that if, how much was prepared to make a step statement towards that that might help to break the deadlock or at least move the talks on a little bit? to be honest, i don't think so. it doesn't change much. the story, the calculations, easter, at least not interested to have it kind of thing, you know, for the t, the ink outside that you'd be investing on for the student, the vision for almost it to the kids. now, in order to avoid it getting type of system whereby negotiations on a 2 state solution may happen, we have to keep lift that thing complex, extremely slow, the favor of any solution that symbols a, the pool filament, of tennessee. now rights. and from that perspective, best economic of crisis that are being created, it's hard to put benjamin within the yahoo if he's extreme squarely. so need,

that's remember that the top or level does. so we have you with this collision here in the q 5 westbank. we have an ounce looks at the straight, but the squared may be interested to move also into the conference and syria. we have 5 a pulse installed and live on it left in violation of the ceasefire. it'd be with liberals, so we're talking about and if for any government that you smoke, looking for us, what do you think of solution? it's looking simply to expand the crisis as in order to avoid it getting into it what any impression of a play you're here. we'll go, which is a bowl into a political solution with the rest of the world. and we've palestine in order to end occupation and a fulfill the rights of everyone runs as we've been talking about israel's military goals, at least as what they as far as the speculation with, with regard to that is concerned. nevertheless, us envoy steve cost is urging israel to go through with phase 2 to ensure the return of the remaining hostages, and then many captives and the remaining bodies of those who died. how much of that

do you think is a sign that we're not? we're not at the point where actually the goals of the us and israel are slightly diverging. the health of the united states retains a longer term goal of the him. within the contracts. it's always how to peace and stability across the region of a broader solution to the israel palestine context the contract. i think that that remains the goal of this administration. i don't know, i'm not a part of the administration, but it would seem to be from everything that the united states long term objective is what they are really. that is not the goal. i want you to israel. i will say of mister netanyahu and the right ring that he has been with other right, written governments of israel have accepted that called mr. ravine and he paid for that for 2 life. we've had 2 other previous leaders of, of israel rock and an old merch who are prepared to move forward with that process

that would've led to a long term solution that to think 3 request for the israel, always out of touch, rejected this or even that the and really right now, however, it is really long from lifetime position of mr. nathan, yahoo, when is various echo or we can government reject a long term solution. so i agree with what the other i think you're calling to think of you had said the mit, which is really government does not see the back, rejects the idea of the men to the war. need to keep this campaign going on. i'm going to use these clearly does not want that have a what's your reaction to that? i don't think the problem is just is this what you the government when even the leader of the sun for less than you started? yeah, he's going on of the statement calling on people on gas at the start until the cup they started return to eastern and it's not like we have

a several administrations before easter and we're willing to end occupation and to fulfill the right to the kind of thing as people and certainly not to hold back and, and other supports perhaps other who'd automatically post much closer it. but if, if we are to talking to matters of policy, and one of the reasons why we, we, the b service has collapse and we are where we are, is because no, it's really government ever endorse the 2 state solution as an official policy. but hold on, i see, so an annexation of okay, if i tell you to are you for war crimes and crass and games, it gets hu money t have been part of this for you to government a policy for all those tickets. so i think i think it's important to, to have like, oh, it's like in this room, there are people that want to move it to for the pickup process and would like to end the certain documentation. but they think the police, as we are, we're seeing from and i mean within the full now have been paid by previous of ministry. so it's just like the products that they've been a term in the us be paid by the previous administration,

particularly by the assessors job by the administration and gushing. i mentioned at the top of the program that you were a former piece and hostage negotiator. i'm going to draw in your experience from that. how does what we're seeing now in terms of the negotiations around the various stages of the see the seas far compared to negotiations that you've been privy to in the past that and the the positive. i'm not expecting obviously a direct comparison, but just the way in which they are carried out. and i think that it's important to note that when the current deal was a presented by president viking back in mary a, i came out with a statement saying that i thought it was a bad deal to begin with. there was a deal that doesn't bring it into the war, doesn't return all the hostages and would take months to carry out with many, many exit points. we're both sides to breach the agreement all over the way. and that's in fact what we've seen as a result of being approached by families of hostages. back in august, i approach the from us leadership and ask for an alternative deal. and the right to

any degree meant that they even gave in writing english. i need to arabic for a deal for 3 weeks in which time to work with their industry, which would withdraw from casa all the hostages would be released in exchange red green number and names of palestinian prisoners. and we would move forward from us even put in writing that they were willing to give up their credit. the governmental control of cost at that time in favor of a professional civilian took the product government in palestine, but they never would take. there were no takers for that deal, nothing israel's, not in egypt and, and cut out unless they were approached by homeless and not in the white house who were simply too invested in the bad deal. that they were negotiating my understanding of the way that from us negotiations that there's very little room for negotiations. there's room on the margins, but they put down very early in the game on what they want, what their demands are, and they stick to those positions. and that's what we see now from us leader compromised when it entered into the steel agreeing that we're,

we're there and only in phase 2, because prior to that they were demanding that any agreement with them bringing immediately into the war. so they did like a compromise, but now they are seeing that the compromise was only on paper. it wasn't the real part of the deal from his ready side, not honoring the agreement that they made. one of the key elements of the deal that was initially put forward by and donald trump, of course, was that people had to leave guys in order for his and rebuilding program at to begin. benjamin netanyahu was halted from to terminate into guys that yet again, is this short term, gosh. and do you think to get leverage to get how much to agree to the extension? or is there a longer term leverage to try to force people to lease guys as part of that process? right. i think this really is working of, of getting people to leave because that's, but it's also using this as leverage the military pressure on from us the threat of renewing door in order to get from us to give and release hostages without changing the deal without increasing the number of prisoners to be released and not bring to

the war to end. um, but it is real forgets that someone else has to leverage also over israel. and those of the $59.00 hostages, their holdings of which adults half of them are just believed to be alive. so that's a quite serious matter of leverage on is really society that brings me nothing. y'all seems to care a little about willing to sacrifice the lives of the hostages in favor of him remaining in power. that's at least what it seems to be. and sciences. and we know that egypt, mankato and the united states are all acting as guarantors for, for this these far deal. this seems precisely the kind of circumstance in which hom us and israel would go to those mediators and those guarantors in order to be able to get them to move the ceasefire process forward. can you describe to us what the limitations might be that egypt and costs are on to some extent the united states are working and find that comes to the guarantor, being guarantors of this is fine brothers. there's,

there's nothing for the guarantors to guarantee and most of the parties themselves come to the conclusion that they, they must agree, at least on the cease fire, if it's not. and then to the war, there's nothing there to be guaranteed. and i don't know what a guarantee would mean other than the what are full pay if i'm and a credit to morrow forest it clearly, i think me, the united states is not likely to put forces on the ground. i. and imagine that they've got the even the media and would wish to do it on the other. the nice can ball like minor way of law or the property knows that there's no agreement to guarantee that serving simply a mediator is offering. they're great on offices, and that's about as far as it's going to go until the side until the dynamics change. we have any resistible force and movable object. it makes it in a very challenging situation. me have

a we were hearing earlier on the program about say that the site that we're entering the holy month of ramadan and how that's being locked in guys. or we have to remember, of course, that there are hundreds of thousands of people in jobs or who are trying to live through this as the negotiations. well, stall at the moment, just talk to us briefly about what they need to sort of delay means for the lives of people in gaza. you have to understand that even under the conditions, so obligations to face one is right, violated that for example, the entry of 10 and we bought, i think 10 percent of the amount of students that were supposed to enter their mobile homes. it does not to enter, it goes us. well, in any case we have less, 8 and 3, and then what's needed in the condition of the human, you're taking the saucer, we have it in go. so if you up to this stuff, we have now the only month, so from a on a, it's a it clearly an invitation, a for a seems to continue to escalate. and let's again, let's remember that it's all the elite dasa, they use, they,

the northern west side, we have over 40000 people that are displaced in the conditions for the connectivity between public opinion seem to occupies with splunk. it's also very complicated the state care. so we've got the art of summer being held in a couple of days. i understand that there isn't, is really delegation that is being sent to colorado to have a look at that proposal. and that's being prepared by egypt and is going to be presented at the out of some of that. at that point. is there any like this? what do you think the israel is gonna find anything within that proposal that they're going to find acceptable and workable? you know, i don't think so i, i think my understanding used to be are leaders who met a on the farm website and well, how many been somebody a few days ago it came to a collective agreement on what needs to be done, which includes ending the war and he's really withdrawal from gossip, but it also includes a political frameworks for advancing a genuine 2 state solution. and we see the power of song radio right now was one of

the leaders of their world demanding that not only there be a tough tutor, palestinian state, but a palestinian state is required in order for the saudis to normalize relations with israel, which is something that is really great, keen about the saudis are now more committed to that palestinian state than ever before. and i think they found the agreement with all the other arab leaders, including the abraham, a court states, a of the united or a river. it some buffering and morocco and others were in reading that there needs to be a swift change in the 3rd policy towards the state of israel in order to see that this war ends and that there is a political formula, moves us forward out of this conflict it will require a change of leadership in the region. i think both in israel and palestine, the change of leadership, what will be required in order for us to actually get into a genuine political process toward the palestinian state funds as in terms of o gosh, i'm was just mentioning there with regards to changes in leadership changes and, and focus far arab nations. what do you think is going to be the longer time

impacts in terms of adults politics and geo politics and in the gulf region as a result of what we're seeing now, almost, it almost irrelevant as to whether or not there is actually a ceasefire. even just based on what we know now about the situation, the israel and palestine find themselves in, i guess actually subscribe to what uh gosh on. has said there needs to be a change or leadership in the 2 parties to the conflict. and with, as i said earlier, both parties effectively how things last it's a long term sort of loss in any, in the making. but neither side has one and the loss of both sides, but not in this case. and 5, the when the other side, both sides of the last time, i should know where to go. if the governor, as such how sydney and resistance is not over by any means. if that's what this considered to be the henri but, but how much is it is not going to be ruling palestinian stage or, or any version of it in the long run. i mean, it's on yahoo!

in the long run, i think keeps up the what he's doing because he has consequences to face at home. no one there is any settlement or that the fact that so many of israel things like that soccer and under and in pursuit of the conflict in the way he has met the wonderful which method lead promoted off to divide the power to enhance is lot that there from what you're showing that i believe there's some reason to be optimistic that one way or another there will be leadership changes, both in israel and on the, on the palestinian side, on the golf side and you get, it seems to be the art they are a more stable and in terms of their leadership and their profit, these for changing their leadership. and they all have to kind of consensus on accommodation with israel long, long ago. starting with present in the dining group and building over the years

through the abraham accords. i don't see that changing you see, if anything is cool, less thing and strengthening as they are about conflict between the power standing and a player. it's been a day and uh, and the really plays out. and how do i want to come to the universe for all finally term a way that the, the sizes i just roll the dice for interrupting you. but i just want to get a last question from harvey. i have in terms of how palestinians themselves, both on the west bank and gaza. i've seen the situation that is unfolding in gaza. do you think the palestinians do see any sort of optimism for a future in guys or do the csc as far or as a return to warrant inevitable? will take just to make a few points. i think many people are very concerned, not just them. what that return to the general side of the more in gossip, but also they what's happening here in the west bank. and i think that the students feel totally abundant. they, particularly by the western world,

you appealing to just a few days ago, a welcome. a bill side of the story to for a minister with the red carpet. impressive, a why peace boss. this one the button at the national court of justice when palestinians go to the best organization, some type of make points to diplomacy and a and legal organizations. the just, we're most important it we have you appear in countries world coming been so mean depending on who allowing him to go school or to face like from like you tell you like greece. so from that perspective i think kind of thing. you'll see how the professional community they are in this crisis. only see crisis that you'll see some an old formulas that have faded, completely normalization has to be a disaster before the palestine easterel has definitely positions as you have been going way more radical after normalization, with a few of countries that's really focused on it and leave it there, but thank you very much indeed for you and for joining us. and thanks to all our glass coffee, avoid finances or something they can guess on baskin. and thanks to you too,

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the to hello, i'm riley carlson in doha. with the top stories on al jazeera moss has rejected israel's demand for an extension to phase one of the gods to cease fire, deal accusing it of black male over demands to release more captives. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu is refusing to enter into the 2nd phase of the deal, which he agreed to last month. that would have seen the release of the remaining is really.