the connecting community. what would you like to see happen for a new syria to emerge? there's no way we could live in a country again. where is i see it is for this basement is part of our presence. opening up the conversations representation methods we haven't had the best representation of african. so for us it's about solving that puts a representation for our kids with fresh perspectives from less are heard. voices the stream explores the key issues of our time on algebra, disease, fire, and gaza hines in the balance says, israel insist on expanding phase one. on us says it's a breach of the original truce agreement. benjamin netanyahu is wanting of consequences, as a group does not accept. so will israel resume its wall on gaza, all kind of the cx 5. the salvage base is inside. sorry. the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm rob matheson palestinians, and guys it was suppose to enter the holy month of ramadan in some form of peace as the 2nd phase of the seas. 5 between israel and thomas good underway. but it's really probably minister benjamin netanyahu, whose government now wants to renegotiate the terms. israel is pressuring how much to extend the 1st phase of the cx, 5, and exchange for releasing half of the remaining $59.00 captives. adults cut all fade and supplies to gaza. again, how much is accusing israel of carrying out a tube against the existing deal? it says the international community has to act. thomas says it wants to continue as agreed with talks on face to the cease fire. and that includes negotiating the withdrawal of israeli troops from the strip. but israel's appears intent on

changing the deal and it seems to have strong backing from the trump administration . we're going to speak to our guests in a moment. first this report, by fatty a car surrounded by the ruins of their own homes, palestinians in gaza. take what joy they can celebrating the holy month of ramadan at last. we science is rarely palming. but that piece now hangs in the balance 1st for he to day phase of the seas far between israel and a mass ended on saturday. israel has now cut off supplies and threatened consequences unless from us agrees to new terms. and my says that amounts to blackmail israel is now endorsing us blast for an extension of the ceasefire over ramadan and the jewish holiday of passover, rather than entering the great 2nd phase talks and phase 2 were mentioned, it goes straight through withdrawal. them is ready forces from gaza and the release

of all $59.00 remaining captives, $24.00 who are believe to still be alive. but some says israel has refused to engage a new proposal. us envoys, steve would cost, would see half of the remaining cap is released once an agreement is reached and the other half when both sides agree, permanency is fire, says allowing israel to a band and phase $2.00 would give it the option to resume fighting. once all captains are returned, that's because israel would effectively ditch phase 3 and the ending cost of these and negotiating the rebuilding of gaza and it's future governance. something israel has been keen to avoid. the don't want the power as soon as they don't want to buy a national state. they don't want to configuration. they want the jewish state and all of palestine, and they're trying to do it by force, get the palestinians out of gas or push. now either the west bank, the road or they pushed 4050000 out of the camps on they're going to try to get

them out. but these postings are not going to go anywhere. the ceasefire brought some reprieve to them, more than 2000000 people in gaza. his license being wrecked by simon and displacement, and despite repeated his ready violations, getting more than 100 power stains during the trace blocking the entry of shelters, a mass has been pushing to continue the seas far. but with broad backing from the new us trump administration, it's really appears intent on re shaping has its own interest palestinians across guys that remain defiant and resilient. the we are here in the midst of destruction and rubble and we stayed fast despite the paint and wounds. we are breaking out fast on our land and we will not leave this place. we will stay here. celebrating ramadan with their surviving families. palestinians here can only hope for lasting peace for the a car, which is 0 for inside story. the.

we're going to bring in, i guess now in bethlehem we have have a, i will age. he's a political analyst. he's also a former advisor to the p l. o and also of the book of richard and palestine. joining us from washington dc is funds as the rest of the name is a former us ambassador to egypt into ki i. he's also a former president of the american university in kyra and in west jerusalem. we have, we have shown boston, he's the middle east director of the n g o, the international communities organization. he's also a former piece and hostage negotiator. thank you very much indeed for being with us . gosh, and i want to come to you 1st. what's your take on this proposal to extend phase one? i think it's a nonstarter, i think it was a non starter. the moment it was presented by the it's really sorry to the americans to steve would cost the presidential invoice. and it was very clear from the opposite that from us would not agree when they entered into this and negotiated in deal is 4445 days ago. it's very clear that from us entered the

agreement because they understood in phase 2, it would lead to the end of the war and as rarely, withdrawal from godsa. now israel is trying to re engage on their obligation to the end, the world which are from gaza. and from us, of course, is not going to release the $5990.00 hostages, until there is, it is really guaranteed to end the war ring withdrawal from casa a copier. let me come to you because uh, this a statement does come out from us, which in which uh they say they've already signed a discussion with saying a 3 stage ceasefire agreement under the auspices of 3rd party mediators including the americans, the understanding from what i got from was saying that there was never an expectation on this the how much was willing to accept this. because what's happening that is a states rob. and thanks for inviting me here. it is the, the us of easterwood are in violation of the ceasefire. it'd be in, but we'll find a few weeks ago. and i think you may think it's very important to emphasize from this point. and also to realize the level of coordination that the us

administration of the trumpet, ministration and distributed government. it has a business state, it was just a few hours from, from this u. s. adoption of a new start your new position, which was to extend face one and not to get to a face to it that led to its center of the for any announcements supposed to be supported by the us. including hold the old to many turn a to desa at the beginning go from of the from says this the way this is being reported. it seems like israel is essentially saying like, give us everything you want that. so the deal is this actually a negotiation anymore? as well, it seems like the israelis are moving the gulf coast here. it is clear that the in the larger picture, both sides have lost it or neither side is an easy way out. and the united states is trying to work a way in between at least the short term fixed on the table to get them. and these

are speech by a to rama. that would be something. but the problem is that both sides are stuck. they can't get out of this without even worst losses. how must have nowhere to go, nothing, nothing. you can salvage from this war, that it on me at once. it were to give up all the hostages on this really side. they have no no plan, no idea of where to go. and of the previous commentator has said they rejected units already state they reject paid or anything. they seem to have in large. there were a few uh, removing the, the palestinian people from huh. that's clearly not going to happen. they seem to be enlarged and to remove people from the west bank and that's not going to happen . both sides are stuck. it seems to me the best that can happen here is for them both sides to accept the united states, the proposal for their short term at least to get to ramadan and pass over me. i'm

guessing how much of this do you think this extension by, by the us and subsequently by israel is ultimately about avoiding israel withdrawing its troops from gaza and commissioning to end the war under face to a big problem from these really point of view is that as long as the semester gains in control of godsa and it has its military arm still functioning, there is a real test one and the war is really of course, one not in the world as long as hostages remaining cancer. and there's a very strong belief on the as really side, particularly in the government that if they do and the work out from us will only in trenches position will gain strength and will continue threatened israel. this is why i think we're seeing a call that's going to be our world. we'll see this in the, our summit that's coming up with united either position both on the need to end the war, bring the hostages home it and see a different governance or palestinian governments in cost of which would be

acceptable. are legitimate by the majority of palestinians, and yet with no longer be a threat to israel, this all has to be packaged in a political understanding that we're moving towards the 2 state solution. and it's obvious that with the current is where the government, that's not a reality that we can expect. so there needs to be political. but do we want to see the changes in cost of that need to happen? because there's a humanitarian disaster, the eric more than $2000000.00 homeless people, there needs to be an international effort, primarily a regional efforts to see how we bring this to a close that will lead to an end of the war. the awesome digital and the replacement of gusts of how nice and gas are. so if we get to the point have a of reaching the deadlock that we, we seem to be getting close to as far as the negotiations are concerned. i want to ask you about how much and tensions with regard to disarmament because it is one of the things that i have not been aware of. all that they have said that they have been meeting the, the agreement, their side of the agreement in terms of the seems far, but there doesn't appear. and they've, even as we know,

i said that they are prepared to step back from the administration of guys as well . we've been, what we've not seen are any clear statements about the removal of weapons and who those weapons would be handed to. do you think that if, how much was prepared to make a step statement towards that that, that might help to break the deadlock or at least move the talks on a little bit? to be honest, i don't think so. it doesn't change much the story, the calculations, easterly slot interested to have a legitimate palestinian authority. the ink uh saw that you'd be investing on kind of freedom division for almost it to the kids. now in order to avoid it giving 12 assessment whereby negotiations on a 2 state solution may happen. we have to keep it as in context extra. and it's not the favor of any solution that involves a, the fulfillment of kind of thing, their rights. and from that perspective, just a moment of crisis that are being created. it's hard to put benjamin netanyahu. if

he's extreme scholarly, some needs that some of the top or level does. so we have what discoloration here in the q 5 westbank we have announced looks at the story that this way may be interested to move also into the conference and syria. we have 5, a pulse installed to live on. it left the in violation of the ceasefire. it'd be with liberals, so we're talking about and if for any government that you smoke, looking for us, what do you think a solution? it's looking simply to expand the crisis in order to avoid it, getting into it what any, a rustling, a play you're here with go, which is a bowl in. so what do you think of solution with the rest of the world? and with, by this time, you know, to, to end occupation and a fulfill the rights of everyone of runs as we've been talking about israel's military goals, at least as what they, as far as the speculation with, with regard to that is concerned. nevertheless, us envoy, steve coffee, is urging israel to go through with phase 2 to ensure the return of the remaining hostages, and that many captives and the remaining bodies of those who died. i'm much of that,

do you think is a sign that we're not, we're not at the point where actually the goals of the us and israel are slightly diverging. the health of the united states retains a longer term goal of the in, within the contracts. it's always how to peace and stability across the region, a broader solution to the israel palestine context, the conflict. i think that that remains the goal of this administration. i don't know, i'm not a part of the administration, but it would seem to be from everything that the united states long term objective is what they are really. that is not the goal. i want you to israel. i will say of mister netanyahu and the right ring that he has been with other right, written governments of israel have accepted that called mr. ravine and he paid for that for 2 life. we've had 2 other previous leaders of, of israel and we bought rock and an old merch who are prepared to move forward with

that process that would've led to a long term solution that to think solution 3 request for the israel always are, has rejected this or even that the and really right, so however it is really long from lifetime position of mr. nathan. the other one is various echo and we can government reject a long term solution. so i agree with what the other i think you're calling to think of you had said the mit, which is really government does not speak in fact projects the idea of the men to the war need to keep this campaign going on. i'm going to use these clearly does not want that heavier. what's your reaction to that? so i don't think the problem is just the story, the government and even the leader of the phone for less than you started. yeah, you've got on the a statement calling on people on gas at the start until the cup they started return to eastern and it's not like we had

a several administrations before easter and that's when we're going to end the occupation and to fulfill the right to the kind of thing as people and certainly not the who, back and, and other supported perhaps others who would automatically post much closer it. but if, if we are to talking to matters of policy a and one of the reasons why we, we may be services collapse and we are where we are, is because no history of the government ever endorse the 2 state solution as an official policy. but hold on, i see so the annexation of ok by targets are you for war crimes and crass and games? it got so many have been part of this for you to government a policy for all those tickets. so i think i think it's important to, to have like, oh, it's like in this room, there are people that want to move to for the pickup process and would like to end the certain documentation. but they think the police as we are, we're seeing from and i mean within the whole now have been paid by previous of ministry. so it's just like the products, it's been a term in the us be paid by the previous administration,

particularly by the assessors job i then the administrative gosh. and i mean, i mentioned at the top of the program that you were a former piece and hostage negotiator. i'm going to draw in your experience from that. how does what we're seeing now in terms of the negotiations around the various stages of the see the see as far as compared to negotiations that you've been privy to in the past that and the, the positive. i'm not expecting of using a direct comparison, but just the way in which they are carried out. or because i think that it's important to note that when the current deal was a presented by president viking back in mary. a i came out with a statement saying that i thought it was a bad deal to begin with. there was a deal that doesn't bring it into the war, doesn't return all the hostages and would take months to carry up with many, many exit points. we're both sides to breach the agreement all over the way, and that's in fact what we've seen as a result of being approached by families of hostages. back in august, i approach the from us leadership and ask for an alternative deal and

a ride to any degree meant that they even gave in writing in english and the arabic for a deal for 3 weeks in which time to work with the industry, which would withdraw from casa all the hostages would be released in exchange, red green number names of palestinian prisoners. and we would move forward from us even put in writing that they were willing to give up their credit. the governmental control of costs at that time in favor of a professional civilian, took the product, government and published on. but they know what changed. there were no takers for that deal. nothing israel, not in egypt and cut out unless they were approached by homeless and not the white house, were simply too invested in the bad deal that they were negotiating my understanding of the way that some of us negotiations that there's very little room for negotiations. there's room on the margins, but they put down very early in the game on what they want, what their demands are, and they stick to those positions. and that's what we're seeing now. how much leader compromised when it entered into the steel agreeing that we're,

we're there and only in phase 2, because prior to that they were demanding that any agreement with them bringing immediately into the war. so they did like a compromise, but now they are seeing that the compromise was only on paper. it wasn't the real part of the deal from just read the side not honoring the agreement that they made to. one of the key elements of the deal that was initially put forward by and donald trump of course, was that people had to leave guys an order for his and rebuilding program and to begin, benjamin netanyahu hold each month to terminate into guys. yet again, is this short term, gosh, and do you think to get leverage to get how much to agree to the extension or is there a longer term leverage to try to force people to leave guys as part of that process? right. i think this really is working of, of getting people to leave concepts, but it's also using this as leverage the military pressure on from us the threat of renewing door in order to get from us to give and release hostages without changing the deal without increasing the number of click prisoners to be released and not

going to the war to end. but it is real forgets that somebody has to leverage also over israel. and those of the $59.00 hostages, they're holding of which about half of them are believe to be alive. so that's a quite serious matter of leverage on is very society. the beginning. nothing else seems to care a little about willing to sacrifice the lives of the hostages in favor of him remaining in power. that's at least what it seems to be. and sciences, we know that egypt and content in the united states are all acting as guarantors for, for this, these far deal. this is, seems precisely the kind of circumstance in which hom us and israel would go to those mediators and those guarantors in order to be able to get them to move the cease fire process forward. can you describe to us what the limitations might be that egypt and contact on to some extent the united states are working and find that comes to the guarantor being guarantors of disease?

fine fathers. and there's nothing for the guarantors to guarantee and most specific parties themselves come to the conclusion that they, they must agree, at least on the cease fire, if, if not, and then to the war, there's nothing there to be guaranteed. and i don't know what a guarantee would mean other than the what a full pay if i'm and a credit of moral forced it clearly in me the united states is not likely to put forces on the ground. and imagine that the cats are even the media and would wish to do it on the other than us can ball a minor way, lock or so property knows that there's no agreement to guarantee that serving simply a mediator is offering their good offices and that's about as far as it's going to go into overtime in terms of the dynamics change, we have any resistible force and movable object. it makes it in a very challenging situation and have

a we were hearing earlier on in the program about faith that the site that we're entering the on the, the all the month of ramadan and how that it's being marked in guys are we have to remember of course that there are hundreds of thousands of people in guys who, who are trying to live through this as the negotiations. well, stall at the moment and just talk to us briefly about what they need to sort of delay means for the lives of people in garza. we have to understand that even under the conditions, so obligations to face one, it is free to violate said that for example, the entry of cents a week was i think 10 percent of the, of the amount of benefits were supposed to enter their mobile homes. it does not to enter, it goes us well, in any case we have less faith and 3, and then what's needed in the condition of the human you're taking this us through . we have it in go. so if you up to this stuff we have now the holy month of ramadan, it's a clearly an invitation, a for a seems to continue to escalate. and let's again, let's remember that it's all the elite dasa, and these days the northern west side,

we have over 40000 people that are displaced in the conditions for the connectivity between public opinion seem to occupies with splunk. it's also very complicated. at this stage, i guess i'm, we've got the art of summer being held in a couple of days. i understand that there isn't, is really delegation that is being sent to colorado to have a look at that proposal that is being prepared by egypt and is going to be presented at the out of the summit at that point. is there any like this? what do you think the israel is gonna find anything within that proposal that they're going to find acceptable and workable? you know, i don't think so. i think my understanding used to be are leaders who met a, on the farm, but say, well, how many been somebody a few days ago, it came to a collective agreement on what needs to be done, which includes ending the war. and he's really withdrawal from gossip, but it also includes a political frameworks for advancing a genuine 2 state solution. and we see the power of song radio right now was one of

the leaders of their world demanding that not only there be a tough tutor, palestinian state, but a palestinian state is required in order for the saudis to normalize relations with israel, which is something that is really great, keen about the saudis are now more committed to that palestinian state than ever before. and i think they found agreement with all the other arab leaders, including the abraham, a court states, a of the united or reverence and buffering, and morocco and others were in reading that there needs to be a swift change in the 3rd policy towards the state of israel in order to see that this war ends and that there is a political formula, moves us forward out of this conflict. it will require a change of leadership in the region. i think both in israel and palestine, the change of leadership will be required in order for us to actually get into a genuine political process toward a palestinian state funds. as in terms of o gosh, i'm was just mentioning there with regards to changes in leadership, changes and, and focus far are of nations. what do you think um is gonna be the longer time

impacts in terms of a gulf politics and geo politics. and in the gulf region, as a result of what we're seeing now, almost it almost irrelevant as to whether or not there is actually a ceasefire, or even just based on what we know now about the situation. the israel and palestine find themselves in i, i guess, actually subscribe to what a gash on a shed. there needs to be a change or leadership in the 2 parties to the conflict. and with, as i said earlier, both parties effectively how things last it's a long term sort of lost in any, in the making. but neither side has one and the loss of both sides, but not in this case. inside the when the other side, both sides have lost thomas, i know where to go. if the gunner as such else any and resistance is not over by any means. if that's what this considered to be the henri but, but how much is it is not going to be ruling palestinian stage or,

or new version of it in the long run. i mean, it's on yahoo! in the long run, i think keeps up the what he's doing because he goes consequences. the space at home, no one there is any settlement or that the fact that so many of israel things like that soccer and under and in pursuit of the conflict in the way he has. and we'd be with the one who had lifted the promoted off to divide the powers against is lot that there what goes on. it said i, i believe there's some reason to be optimistic that one way or another there will be leadership changes, both in israel and on the, on the palestinian side, on the golf side. and you did, it seems to be the art. they are a more stable and in terms of their leadership and their profit, these for changing their leadership. and they'll have to kind of consensus on accommodation with israel long, long ago. starting with trends that in the dining group and building over the years

through the abraham accords. i don't see that changing i. you see if anything is cool, less thing and strengthening as they are about conflict between the power standing and a player. it's glenna today and, and the really plays out how do i want to come to the universe for all finite type of way that the, the sizes i just roll the dice for interrupting you. but i just want to get a last question from a how we have in terms of how palestinians themselves, both on the west bank and gaza, seeing the situation that is unfolding in gaza. do you think the palestinians do see any sort of optimism for a future in guys or do they see a cease fire or is a return toward inevitable angle take just to make a few points? i think many people are very concerned, not just them. what that return to the general site, little more in ga so, but also they what's happening here in the westbound. and i think that the students feel totally abandoned. they're particularly way in the western world. you

appealing to just a few days ago, a welcome. a bill side of this really for a minister with a red carpet. impressive, a why peace boss? this one, the button at the national court of justice when palestinians go to the method oregon, they say, so some type of make points to diplomacy, en, eh, and legal organizations. they're looking just, we're not supportive. it we have you come to the low coming, been something that the media who allow him to go through there to face like from like you tell you like greece. so from that perspective, i think kind of thing. you'll see how the professional community are in this crisis . only see crisis that you'll see some, an old formulas that have faded completely normally say so it has to be a disaster. it for the palestine easterly left documents positions as you have been going way more radical after normalization, with a few of countries as really focused on you can leave it there. but thank you very much indeed for you and for joining us. and thanks to all our guys have you all, boyd defensive source of the day,

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there's no limit to how a dream continue to study in your own event, you know, counter and things the time about us and, and do hundreds of stories on audra 0. hamas is calling on israel to return to the table for talks on the 2nd phase of guys a ceasefire. deal as agreed in january is really probably most of benjamin netanyahu is refusing to enter into discussions. and instead, once an extension of phase one, the 2nd stage would see a final exchange of captives on prison as a complete the withdrawal of israeli forces. and the establishment of

a prominent cease far israel is not locating all food fuel and life saving medicine from entering.