to offensively, it means that we just aren't monitoring, we are not engaging and looking at what they're doing and we have to remember that half of the d o d, our defense department is the national security agency. and i say it sits between defense and intelligence. and so, to me, the only thing that makes any sense is we want to have plausible deniability that way, no rush, you did something. and as we think, well, what would we not want to know? well, what they do to ukraine, for example, attacking critical infrastructure. we don't want to know that then we can be pressured to hassle them about it and, and call them on it. a film showcasing palestinian resistance is roles, demolitions and occupied. westbank has taken home. the oscar for best documentary feature is what's happening in my village. now towards the with no other line shows this variety soldiers tearing down homes on to fixing residents

creates a minute tree design. now, celine vague because the palestinian writes, i know so film critic and he says the fact that no other land still has no us distributes a despite its winning multiple international awards. is there a selection of political pressure and it's sort of the political it's, we only know we already know that there's appropriate for documentary is actually to be released at theaters like it's more on the phone and make one. but uh for, for this case it's, it's totally political. why? because the premier of this feeling was in selling fields in festivals and it's got to be the best document during the festival. until now it's been more than a year. uh, the fuel went to many festivals and guess many, uh, not, no munitions and surprises. so there's no reason i think it comic or whatever specifically for this field more than political want. and why?

because reason could be even in, in, in france, or it was a release or stress could be even in the u. k. but as far as their lives at the. okay. so this political reasons, specifically in the u. s. i believe it was a strongly linked to the point that the dispute is nominated. so let's narrow the chances it could have for, for like the best documentary in the oscars. all right, well that's it for me. it's not a hide us. you'll be able to find more information on one of us today. stories on our websites onto 0 dot com, but doesn't go away because the news does continue here. offer a program called the stream. the us president donald trump, is set to address congress and the american people with

a flurry of executive orders. a departure from convention on challenges to has a government, which one is transforming politics at home and abroad with his 2nd time on the way . what's next? until i'm suggest to stay with all just the for the latest from the white house. have you ever wondered about how the police were born and raised shape your life and to now, how much easier with some of your life choices have been had you come from a different neighborhood, city or country? i'm on? are these forces in on this episode of the screen we look into whether geography is destiny, is a premise that can be false against the across the world and across time, people's opportunities have been linked to where they happen to live, access to services, education, job opportunities, were granted to certain populations to the detriment of others for control

segregation apartheid were all systems we fought against, but their legacy still hans communities and in some parts of the world. those tools of oppression are still being applied today. joining us to discuss the implications of this reality are that i such as to follow an, a research fellow at the distributed a research institute. her work focuses on the effects of spatial apartheid in post apartheid south africa, how sion of summer and associate professor in human geography at oxford university . and a senior fellow at the institute for palestine studies shenika simpson, a community activist, and one of the founding members of the north omaha redlining commission, and jacob faber and associate professor of sociology and public service at new york university and co founder of its redlining lab. thanks you all so much for your time. thank you for being part of the stream today. jacob,

can you start us off here with a definition? what is spatial segregation? exactly? sure, so 1st thank you very much for having me. and you know, when i talk about segregation, i'm typically referring to the fact that people of different racial or ethnic are class groups often live in different areas. so in the united states, for example, the white people are the most segregated group, the typical white person in america lives in a neighborhood that's about 70 percent white. and typical black person lives in a neighborhood that's about 40 percent black. and it's worth noting, of course, that there is nothing inherently wrong with people living and same race or ethnicity communities. the problem is that we have layered so many other opportunities structures on top of

a racially segregated country. and the important take way is that, you know, every society has some form of some pattern know segregation by race, ethnicity, religion, class, summer work streamed, and others. and critically the, the consequences. a segregation are vastly different across societies as well. i mean, you use the example, the us shamika you, you live in omaha, nebraska, and you said you feel the impact of segmentation in your daily life. can you tell us about the us? can you tell us how the lack of access to don't know affordable housing and a health care affect your life and that of your children? absolutely. um, once again, thank you for having me on the show today. i've always felt the impact of segregation and even before i knew what it was and i knew that there was something

wrong that there was something drastically different about my surroundings about my life. i just found the way that i lived versus other people, particularly what i saw on tv back when i was growing up in beverly hills 902. and i was very popular and i would always look at those shows and then look at my surroundings typically like what was wrong with me or what was wrong with my family, that we couldn't grow up and have good manage to logs in the swimming pool. and the huge school, but all of the resources, what i didn't know, of course, at that time that those were systematic and purposeful of things. i had been done to communities to keep certain groups of people a permanent under class. and so i understanding that helped me to understand, you know, how important it was for me to not only understand what was going on in my

surroundings, but try to do things to combat it. so it gets everything from health, from education to social determinants of health, to understanding even higher, brainless, formed, and how you make decisions all play a huge part in how it where you grow up. oh, yeah, you basically shapes who you are in all aspects of your existence, right? right. so, so you were born after the end of a par side in south africa, back in 94. but you have memories, you shared some of the memories with us before this recording about being aware. it's all on equal access in communities, right. can you tell us about that at the moment you realized based on where you live, you get better or worse or even no service at all. and how did you actually make

the connection between dice and the legacy of a par side? yeah, thank you for having me. when i. busy as a child, maybe like before 10, i would see like my older cousins coming to my house before they gave birth. so coming to my house is because my house was close to a hospital so they would not be able to rely on like public services like an ambulance to be able to take them when they call it in an emergency. your country never lie on ambulance is when you come from, even like a village or township. a lot of the population of south africa. i still lives in villages, but, but this is still the same reality that they face. oh, it's a wash link. i was talking about the perpetuation of, of certain classes, right. and keeping certain parts of the population just stuck where they are and

palestinians living under is really occupation today experience conditions the understand from national and many other organizations have said amount to apartheid because of the many power levels with the institutionalized segregation in place in south africa until the ninety's and that impacts virtually all aspects of life in the occupied territories. including moving from point a to point b is really activist. and during the list under a sentence, this 1st hand account of a journey across the occupied westbank. the lack of freedom of movement is one of the most obvious facts of life so far as it ends in the west bank. if you're essentially you can freely across the green line and go from assessments, assessments, and as well as being in sometimes you struggle in order to get out of your own village. i was just giving an example of my past 2 days. and the other thing we're trying to get from someone from all of that right now, which and the normal circumstances without checkpoints what st. cuz maybe an hour and a half, 2 hours. but the direct roads has a 3 options,

subject points. and any of them would take us anywhere between 2 to 9 hours it's across the deluxe. so today, so what could the me and with the catch up, the plumber on the phone, one of those, most of all are not for the so not bless. i bought onto just a little german, nothing to send you the g uh auto bought. com. it's uh, it's its, uh, the image, but look at the look at which can leave us in a, should we not, some of them were doing for them at the, on the, on the, on the, on the i called the gym. i ended up going in the, in the, on the other. so we're forced to take a massive detour, driving over this mountain roads, which not every car can even go through in order to get to a different check point at which we can still get stopped. and detain, so i need an emergency at all, but i had to look at this. saw a little lower the low know the cindy's block,

but they've gotten one of the more the city but the in the box up there to raise over the mountain. and one of them is close by the army right down completely . and this one seems to be open, but we're going to have to see, here's the kind of a check points, which people can spend hours of one hours of one hours. all of them are queueing in order to cross the how many check point that way. and there is probably even longer line on the other side of people doing in order to get out of it again from the other side. and this isn't as rarely car was kansas, but this is the so called south of the junction, which is a common place for sense list to throw stones at biasing posted in vehicles. hundreds of cars. and this is the check points around them, all of which is a tiny section of a just to leave the town for any reason. you need to stand in line for hours and

hours and hours the under the 1st. i've done it when we bought the hospital because of the zip code was given. was that daina charges and that's good to you or somebody to medina and johnny margie's having taken a mess of detroit. we finally got the singles, which is under constant attack by side window is offensive, which has really completely blocked off out of 6 roads that lead into the village. and the one is open right now. and this break lot has been funding they have for here the phone. so since that before the 7 and the 3, obviously the 1st 5 to wire at the end so that people cannot someone's walk in the road over here on the one side it's open, but then the other side, it leads directly. it's a sense of the cars are completely incapable for going through have

a 1000000 stories of this kind of thing. especially when i go around with my posting in friends and colleagues frequently get the team to check for himself of our search within next to a military bases. and i remember these moments when i just started going around the us bank with my post, give me a colleagues the way that you go from point a to point be checking groups as which say which check points are open now, then you just ask people on the roads, how do we get that? the response? it sounds like, oh, you can take this road because there was a check point that it's closed. and this road has been blocked by rocks. and so you can take that route and, but there are frequently settlers that throwing rocks at 1st in front of so you need to be careful. and that's just the reality and not just for journalists and activists, but for every folks in, in, in the west bank has them. and that reality has been going on for decades. obviously this is nothing new, but we saw that for those who don't know this reality, this is a very concrete way of understanding just how this data makes life really hard. for some people. can you tell us from your work,

how does to of segregation is used to just perpetuates the strategy of systemic oppression, particularly in the occupied westbank to yes, thanks very much for, for having me. i think i'd like to start by just points and got the viewers attention to the unpaid roads that the on the, on the driver were taken, which kind of presents perfectly the network of 2nd digital stuff is a offer type that is a set. the colonialism has built a costs, but on the, on the distort satisfying. in fact, uh since october 7th um, the united nations office for the accord for the coordination of humanitarian affairs, or to um, and occupied territories. as the reports at 800 up to cuz movement obstacles that have been put in place by the army in the west bank. it easily will sell them and uh, and hitch to area of, of, of people. and these include uh, you know, 4 check points, permanent check points,

partial check points throughout the blocks on gates, that the army can open and close to control the livelihoods of, of, of palestinians on, i think we should as a historical analysis of this public or flight so called public applies to, is it right? it has implanted across the land of palestine, which obviously is parts and the occupation in 1967, but also in 9048th with that this was session of the palestinians. i'm one thing to keep in mind when we think about is that you just have to colonialism like other stuff. the colonial regions, like back in south africa and is reliance on the displacements of the indigenous population to take that lives and replace them with samplers. and that happens to most of the mechanisms, one of which is the segregation off off of the lawn to make it exclusively of use for. ready the suck there is why preclude thing the natives from using the that same law? i'm done so many of the check points that we actually see today can be traced back particularly to the 2nd intifada. but what's happened between 2002004 after

that? is it a um, this are you are me. so i task force that devise a plan tight. so everything flows that what is meant to keep the permanence of the check points on the infrastructure of segregation. but the 2nd uprising figured out and it's the same structure that stays with us on. so today on the structure, okay, it's a 2 tiered system according to the palestinians. you prefer on the job, but it's all america. and that system is up at 11. and so changes on the roads as high speeds for is that 80 satler's, lower level secondary roads advertising because you know, the public apply for for palestinian citizens. and so i think that's the main purpose of segregation are more tough to find a more collective punishment against the student population. and you've talked about their um about his placement um $45000.00 postings have been displaced in the

west bank only in the past month. only since january, that's the biggest displacement there since israel, by the area back in 67. and jacob, i want to bring you back in because we're talking about obviously very 3 very different geographical locations, 3 very different places. and yes, they're all experiencing some form of division within their societies. what do you see as some of the biggest differences, but also some similarities between these occupied boston and territories? the united states and south africa? yeah. this, these cases are obviously quite unique, but they do have important similarities. you know, we can look at the housing policy, you know, the, the state is the primary actor responsible for creating and sustaining racial division in each of these places. so there are, you know, strong parallels between the histories of urban renewal and red lining in the

united states. with the, you know, the creation of slums in south africa and settlement policy in palestine. each of these cases involve the forest displacement of a racially or ethnically or religious lead marginalized group for the benefit of a privilege group. along with, you know, housing and infrastructure development to, uh, to concrete ties that division. and importantly, yes, threats of violence. and of course, actual interest is a violence by the state directed almost completely towards the marginalized communities. also helped reify these racial and spacial boundaries as to citizen violence, which is often sanctioned by the states impulsively or explicitly. so in, in each of these places, you know, where you live shapes is that each of the speakers have uh,

mentioned today already, you know, shapes your access to employment opportunities and education opportunities, health care, uh, etc. i would say that, you know, palestine is the most extreme case among these 3. uh, but uh, you know, whether you're waiting at a checkpoint and in the west bank or it at a isolated bus stop in brownsville neighborhood of, of new york city. you know, living in a marginalized community exerts very real costs on a daily basis, which, you know, by just sign makes it difficult for people to leave those neighborhoods for, you know, their job schools, housing, etc. so, and to change their life. you know, holly hm. yes. all right, and jacob, right, you mentioned there the policy or a red lining in the us, and i want to share it with our viewers eclipse from the documentary divisible to help us understand that context. to take a look. they created over 200 maps of cities across the country, color coded with

a neighborhood ranking system which local real estate developers and appraisers used to assign grades to residential neighborhood. category a was the best, this neighborhood is fantastic. and that generally meant that you were dealing with, well seeing white individuals. category b was somewhat desirable. so it's still in pretty good condition. category, see is somewhat declining, which generally meant that in 2 to 3 years, this neighborhood won't be in disarray. there will be abject poverty that will become an american ghetto. and then category, which was the red area. detrimental influence, negro infiltration, presence of foreign born populations upstairs, run down hazardous. and it was considered hazardous primarily because of the people who lived there. by this time, many lights believe that the value of their house,

this is intimately tied to the non presence of non lights from their neighborhood. shamika, you are on the board of directors of this documentary and there was a quote of that stood out for me and there we tend to look at people as how they are today without the historical context of how they got here. you really made educating communities about redlining, an important part of your life's work. can you tell us why it is so important? i mean, knowing it's just half the battle. right. and we haven't even started fighting. and a lot of communities here in the united states, a lot of people don't know how their community became and get a lot of people don't understand why they get to grow up in a privileged community or in an area where they have resources. we tend to think we just ended up here by law or, you know,

we worked hard merit. a lot of this is inner, an intergenerational it's inherited well that was passed down or inherited well that was stolen so that it could be passed, found in certain generations and withdrawn and taken from other communities for generations. so generational poverty and generational wells were all purposely instituted through systematic policy as a way, once again of creating a permanent underclass. literally not just you and your mom, but your children, your grandchildren, and your great grandchildren were slated years ago to either be wealthy or to be poor. and it's, it, it is so important what you just said there. we keep talking about marriage in the american dream, right? but it's not in her is just the privilege of her or lack there. all right, so to we, we,

we keep seeing these tools being used in the perpetuation of these systems. i want to talk to you about future and about the change because in south africa, more than 30 years since the apartheid since the end of a far side, black people still only own a small fraction of farm land, but the majority remains with the white minority the president signed a bill into law, the beginning of the year, allowing land seizures move that many. so as a significant milestone towards the reform in the country, your thoughts on whether this legislation is actually a step in the right direction. and also how the work that you do in to contribute to try and change these inequalities. i guess, i mean, if we think about how black people today did land like blue jersey of the people in this lands, they occupy that the black land that is not designated to them and create a slum in hopes that the government will then allocate the land to that, and we've been seeing how slums have been converted to follow

a housing by the government. but this is at a slow rate, and it's mostly due to the fact that the government also does not have the land to actually allocate that to the people. i mean, these are the same people who have been forced out of the land is ago, and then today they will the ends to actually live. and this is more than 70 percent of the population that actually a 2 pies this slaugh percentages of your hand. so i think this bill is the step in the right direction. according to the constitutional south africa, people have right to have a place to live and to have a dignified place to live. i said obviously the past i posted in territory is the occupation. it is the most dramatic of the pictures we've been discussing here, but, but how do you see things moving forward? what are the tools in the hands of palestinians to fight against it?

to yes, i think it's quite selling and formative support palestine relationally in comparison with what's racism in the united states and the post are tied together to use and south africa. i'm new started with the promise of the, you know, geography as destiny. whether we can question that's, i think we must question thoughts based on some because intervention important intervention thoughts, you know, it's not destiny precisely because it's done through practices, institutions and policies that ensure the continuation of control over the line by science and communities while preclude things the needs of indigenous communities from having access to that not so i think what's post apartheid south africa can teach us and palestine. is this insanity precisely of the lines question on the idea of the land must be the distribution. if you know a palestine, we have been facing the facts of line since 1948th onto today, then i need solution for the future must and vision

a distribution of the land to the inhabitants of that lot. and how do we overcome this inequality jacobs? your turn, there is no way to, to undo or address these inequality is without, without transfer of, of wealth and power. but we also need to break the ties between geography and his outcomes. you know, we don't have to have schools and health care institutions. if you delete accumulate, well those things don't have to depend on where you live. we can, we can absolutely build a more inclusive society, sneak or perhaps the final word on your hope for the future of your community and the hope of your other future's your daughters as well. all right, i'm, i'm known for saying that those who come into power through evil means don't tend to give it up for good. so i believe our job is to put the power back into the people. the people need to take their power back. it can look

like revolution, it could look like reparations, but we can't decide on our slavers to set us free. we have to find freedom and demanded for our sales. shamika rice such a hash and, and jacob, thank you very much for joining us today. and thank you all for watching, stay in touch with us online, and i'll see you next. the protest crackdowns enforced disappearances and corruption with pos the most special about the cost of living. unfortunately, the lights have to be lost, but those bumps up here where you have to live. it has to be lost, the lives would take. right? people were shot in the head, maybe has and goes head to head with canyon politician. kimani ition was canyon to furious. you know this, i have never had performed anything for the party. it was about $7000000.00 pet to

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