the, the hour of late is approve agents plans for garza's future, including major reconstruction and elections. it follows president trump's proposal, supposedly expelled palestinians, son garza into a us controlled beach result. so can the arab nations plan become reality? this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a, that add assignments in cairo later sets out the vision for garza's future weeks off the us present. donald trump presented his own, his ideas of forcibly expel palestinians and tongue gauze, or until us control beach result. it's been widely condemned at the summit, arab nations approved agents plan, which includes major investment and reconstruction and housing. the political rebuilding to with palestinian technocrats taking control before elections well as well. swiftly rejected the our proposal saying president trump's plan is the way forward and within now is us officials reconfirm trump vision is us policy. so what does all of this mean for palestinian style of supplies by his rouse blockades, that homes and cities reduced to rubble by israel's war,

can be our latest plan become reality. and if not, what next will speak to our guest shortly. but 1st, this report from wilson does like, let's see on tuesday, eric league leaders met in cairo to discuss what causes future good looks like law and endorse the $53000000000.00 plan to rebuild the script and that missile. and then egypt also worked in cooperation with our brothers and palestine to form an administrative committee of independent posting in professionals. and techno crowds entrusted with managing the gaza strip based on the expertise of its members of the summit follows us president donald trump's plan to forcibly remove palestinians from gaza and turn the strip into what he called a riviera of the middle east. after global condemnation, a part for him in the us and israel he later said it was just a proposal. the air of world has been vocal and united in its opposition fell in energy the. we welcome the egyptian published in in ira,

planned to rebuild the gaza strip with the palestinians in the homeland without displacement. we call on us president donald trump, to support reconstruction efforts on this basis. enough on any of the basis that i me, the palestinian authority represented palestinians at the summit moss was not present . how does that mean? it's still calling on israel to fulfill its commitments under the gods a cease fire agreement. instead, israel has reinstated its total blockade on the script. halting the entry if not only 2 minutes hearing aid, but also food fuel in medicine. it leaves 2300000 palestinians trying to survive and brutal conditions and makes it filters in an area destroyed by has really fun apartment carried out with us in european weapons. we should, we stress our rejection of these really decision to prevent entry of humanity originate into gaza, which violates international law. jordan will continue to make every effort to

support the steadfastness of our palestinian brothers. provide aid to god's left wouldn't and care for the islamic and christian holy sites in jerusalem. as president trump was delivering the longest presidential address in modern history to a joint session of congress, the key under the word gaza only one. any political solution to israel's war will require, the us is backing and us political interest. palestinians, meanwhile, live with the consequences of washington's policies and the decision to give israel the freedom to do is it likes, with garza. wilson dies ard elda 0 for inside story. as well, let's take a look at what our lead is envisaged. over the next 5 years. the plan involves an initial 6 month period for flavoring rubble and removing unexploded ordnance that's expected to cost $3000000000.00 for the next 2 years. more housing would be repaired and installed and infrastructure replaced. estimated cost of that

$20000000000.00. and the following 2 years would see the completion of at least 400000 permanent homes along with an appleton c pools. it's the most expensive phase. roughly $13000000000.00. the implementation of the plan depends on the establishment of an interim administration over seen by the palestinian authority president by the by society elections possible next year. but the plan doesn't specifically cool for them. egypt and jordan said they're willing to train palestinian security forces. our leaders also reiterated calls for un peacekeepers to be stationed in the strip during the rebuilding the last spring in our guests from tell of able to join by already goldberg, a political commentator and full of academics specializing in the lease studies in

del hop month sold a show on a mid least political analyst and citizen john list from garza during israel's war . he took refuge and then also the hospital for months and then san francisco. steven soon as a professor of politics and founding chairman of the middle east and studies program at the university of san francisco. i'm more than welcome to, well, if i could stop with months old in del ha months or does this our proposal offer a solid plan for garza's future? as i believe the palestinians are optimistic about the outcomes of this last unemployment. and the fact that the heart of leaders from all over geographies have come together and aligned on things that, that are very important for palestine and the future in a, in, in alignment with what the but a scene in people inside the as a want is good news,

so no force displacement, right? there's a rebuilt plan by the money, by the audibly. there's a themselves, there's no need for 8 from all sides. we're talking about elections between the palestinians in order to bring forth wherever will lead the palestinians into the upcoming future. and we have talking about immediate aids that would help the palestinians on the ground right now. we're talking about empowering the philistine population in the plaza to dig forward. the next steps when it comes to heads up and ensuring that the rebuild is, is about money. so if i could jump in is riley's condemning is it's outdated, these right of the site and it doesn't condemn the october 7th to attack. these really is ken ken, ken condemn. i can come them it's, i mean it's, it's the right to do so. but, but i think that they would be very unhappy with the fact that for the 1st time and

many years old autumn leaders have come forth and agreed on a future that the philistines also want for themselves. right? so it doesn't matter who the weapons are with in palestine as long as the root cause of the matter which is the occupation that remains. people would always want to seek freedom. and at the end, they all want a political solution. they want to ensure that they live free for the occupation to and they have a free palestine would do to send them as the copy to them. okay, let's bring an audi. as i mentioned or israel is rejected the plan, does that ultimately mean? this plan is the rail don't maybe not do well that is it's a non stop to before it gets on track. oh, i would say it's quite the opposite. i think is well, has very little influence on the course of events at the moment. and while white house officials may have said that the president stands by his vision,

i read donald trump's remarks as an admission that the error plan is the only show in town. it's the only serious plan that outlines you have both a timeline and funding numbers. the president's riviera vision has nothing of the sort will have nothing of the sort. so is, are all can condemn to it's for content to come to his heart's content. but these condemnations are in many ways, effectively. meaningless unless is all authors arrive old plan, which is all has not yet done, is always talking about it's worth sighting plans and it's talking about the trump plan. neither of those plans are actual plans and start off position to the error plan, which is also the results as well. so it just said of a consensus. so i think is ro does protest too much, that spring stephen into this, then all these more optimistic shall we say, of how the from administration has reacted to this. but when i read the national

security council spokesperson bryan, who's saying quote, the current proposal doesn't address the reality that garza is currently uninhabitable. how should we read the other then? is a rejection. and i would send 10 to see it as a rejection. in fact, because especially since the administration seems to have its own down on its insistence that it does want to go forward with the estimate cleansing. and the us take over that. yes, it could have condemned it more roundly. perhaps. maybe they are recognizing that just in terms of the international reaction to such a wholesale as the cleansing of the population. and you have another huge were crying, they couldn't quite get away with it. and maybe they perhaps smith's there were some why because they are taking the back i think by this is incredible show of unity by the often divided the arab lea a so you know, i, i so,

so even though it might be, may not has been categorical us rejection, as one might have expected. i certainly don't see it as much of an open, especially since the trumpet, ministration tends to take the position as we've seen in the the breakdown of the ceasefire of the israel can pretty much do what it wants that, that the, even more so the bite and the ministration, they're not going to pressure of the israeli government to do anything that doesn't want to. and so i, i, and unfortunately, while i think it's a very solid proposal in most respects that i, i don't see things as a, any, any realistic prospect of it coming to fruition at least in the short to medium term. all right, since we've got a bit of variety of, of opinion, yes already i was going to say come back here to finally jump in, say something about telling us over to do what it wants. that certainly seems like giving granting is of permission to go back to bombing or to the fighting and guys out. but i think the telling that's and you have to do what he wants is calling the

to the i was bluff because of that. now it doesn't know what he wants, then you know, has 2 options, either of which are particularly appealing to him. and this in the out does not like to make decisions. now likes to present himself as the person is doing the editable. and by telling it to me how to do what he wants, by forcing his hand to make a decision that is applying pressure to nothing else, not guessing that that would be way. uh and always do so he will, he will pressure we, we did see the pump administration pressure both sides to agree to receive 5. do you think that we will see that level of intervention from the us administration to pressure of these re deciding particularly into accepting this our plan? i think we will, but i don't think we will see it directly. i think we'll see 2 parallel axis of progress, i think we'll see the trump administration saying, given all sorts of statements about how the plan is that workable and so on and so

forth. but i also think we will see direct pressure applied by uh, president trump, send missouri stephen with cost. and i think with cost and trump want to make a deal. i think the only party that's capable of making a deal with the trump administration is the arab league at the moment. i don't think that this will go smoothly. i think that all the involved parties of vested interest in making this very difficult but i don't see any other tests or i want to give a i know we need to get montessori, but i want to give steve and another chance to come back in from west, even do you get the, the reading of the pulse of the trump administration as then not going to, or this plan is not going to become a reality easy because you see the trump administration is, is just distracted and busy with other things like ukraine, right? now or less part of it certainly, but i really do think that the topic, ministrations of leadership, dealing with israel and palestine is from the hard right. includes these young far

right to christian fundamentalist who is see gods hand behind is really expansionism. and these are people who know that, that, in fact, the democratic party is not going to be pressuring them as much as they might on other issues on the ad. for example, even with a let's see how, who has announced plans to support this. also, ethnic cleansing, hardly any democrats are settled, we're going to withhold military ages real. what's a do such a thing? i mean, it is really, i really don't think that the, despite the fact the overwhelming majority of americans oppose the idea of at that point. and even though the majority of americans are very much opposed to the blank check, the united states has been given to a, to the israeli government. and the fact is, is that, you know, that here in united states we're struggling just to preserve our democracy. much less trying to challenge trunk. so you know,

foreign powers policy in term. and especially in areas where you have to be don't have an opposition party being as outspoken as a, have been on some other issues, all right, and that's spring months or a month. so if this plan has any chance of being implemented all some points a little vague, like where the $53000000000.00 is gonna come from, when the elections will happen. who is going to honestly build at this point, add ports and c pulse in gall. so without some kind of guarantees that it won't be destroyed again, not to mention addressing israel's demands for the disarmament of casa, i think we need to take this one step at the time. i think that's outlining the goal. having a mission agreed upon. vision is excellent starting points for the time being, uh yes, there are some issues that, that need to be taken care of. like, for example,

in his or do you have one mind who's just trying to save his political career, not try to go to courts. and hence, he wants to try to bring that even back into instability and war by what the danielle, who is doing and see what he's going to do in 11 on hundreds on the west bank. so hopefully the us administration can see that they are and what they're trying to achieve in terms of the political stability. and the reason a lot of growth and development on the economic side will not happen by just allowing the 10 yahoo to do whatever he wants to see if he's cutting it right. so i think that slowly the us government administration will, will like, like your guest say come to a deal with the league and with the furnace teen and people. and i think that in the end, so what sites will happen? a look at to germany and japan and right after world war 2 they were taught to obliterate. it's from a,

from the grounds up when it comes to infrastructure. but they were able to rebuild themselves from within their countries and become world superpowers when it's on the commercial side. right. so i think that we need to empower enabled the students in advisor with the age of the auto james around us in or day didn't suffer, you know, what international and you and is right of human rights groups cole apartheid . they didn't continue to live on the what b i c, j calls and illegal occupation. the little bit of the different scenarios that between the postwar reconstruction scenarios you talk about and gaza. yeah, so i think this is where americans need to step in and make sure that the 2nd phase and the 3rd phase of the agree, the phones ceasefire, that was signed a month and a half ago. that takes place writes, they need to ensure that nothing new honda is government abides to what they signed

up on. and the, i think i think the cards are in the americans hands. okay. one more thing just before the one more thing. i think the auto believe right now. the only card right now is to talk about peace rights. what will the peaceful outcome be? but the art of lead, there's a lot of nations, the other people in there tens of millions, hundreds of millions. like right now you've only bought the piece of an option. what of these out of nations? these are people were forced to go into war. that's another card that hasn't been played yet. so right now the autopay is going towards peace and looking at peace as the only solution, but that might change it from the thing. yeah. who does something stupid already? israel's reaction to this plan included now that in a condemnation of the plan and not any criticism, most of our country's of that said had had been using basically the palestinian calls. but a condemnation and criticism of the palestinian authority didn't like the idea or obviously of the p, a over seeing

a new technocrats administration and gauze. a condemnation of underway for delivering aid. and it begs the question, i know you, you asked to do. it is, what is israel's alternative plan? is it simply to resume the war and hope that the war eventually pushes palestinians out of gauze a one way or another? you know, i would say that is inside a clean, not as well as plan despite the brash rhetoric and despite israel adopting the post, if the grinch is real, is not capable of fighting this war. now, again, everything you hear coming out of these are the government plans for calling up 400000 reservist, grandiose endeavors in syria and lebanon on an occupation of guys, a settlement of gods. and none of this corresponds with the situation on the ground and as well. these are the economy is faltering, it's not flailing. national resilience is an all time low. the failure to return the hostages to resume the deal. a lot of a lot of his early would,

i think support following through on the deal and then considering renewing toward . but that's not even an option for anything else. government at the moment. israel is not equipped at any level to fight this war again, which is why i think that there is an inverse relationship between the intensity of israel's condemnations and general sour and this on the whole thing. and uh israel's ruling out pretty much every viable option and israel's ability to promote another plan i have to status on. i've said this repeatedly, israel has failed abjectly in achieving any of its self defined goals for this, for there's no reason to assume that israel has found the magic formula for success is wrong. in this guy's a war has gone from failure to failure, of the destruction of god, the could jump in, you know, these really uh, government lines. they, they would say that they've, we can the wrong, the,

we can some of the, the groups which around supports. how do you read that are i would read that again is very, very much wishful thinking. iran certainly took of low just by looking onto the level, but it seems like events are progressing on the ground in ways that have very little to do with it. with is all chooses to do and i would also point out that is all seems to have a very limited arsenal. yes, true is role can bomb any targeted ones with 2000 palm town ons delivered free from the united states? that's all is all has no mid term plan. it has certainly no long term plan. and perhaps the worst of all, israel itself doesn't know what it wants. that's why i said, all right, trump tells me i'll do what you want. he's calling his bluff. okay, stephen, you, you will not show, we say, to optimistic about this, our proposal being put into practice and adopted by the trump administration. what

will then become of god? so do you agree with, with already that the re igniting of the war is unlikely? and then i, i'm not sure they're good in terms of the war to go either way. i also think it's very unlikely that uh they, they will go through with trumps plan of ethnic cleansing either of but i think what i'm more likely scenario is essentially the status quote. that is, palestine is going to continue to suffer. they're not going to be able to rebuild a little at best trickle can a, keeping them on a very marginal existence. there may be periodic uh is really airstrikes against certain selected targets. they'll keep a troops in certain positions that basically is going to be what we've seen in gaza and a fact, you know, for a 20 years now and, and that is all young people just kind of hanging on only were so in the sense that people essentially just struggling under a blockade and,

and terrible conditions and not nothing, nothing real dramatic like ethnic cleansing, nor a rebuilding along the lines of the early. so that's, that, that's, that's, that's, i know is very depressing a scenario, but i, i think frankly, that is the most realistic one at this point. it is a bit depressing at the risk of making it even more depressing. what ask them on sort because you are actually engaged at the time of the war. what was an extension of the state? this quote was stephen put it. what would it mean for everyday life in garza or so right now, the humanitarian situation in the was uh, is getting worse because uh, is there a has decided to uh to stop all aids coming into the strip again disclose against the ceasefire agreement. and if its phases and they are committing a war crimes, definitely remember in history and postings have been going through 16 months of

genocide, the terms forced the same as displacement attempts. and several were sitting medical conditions, a lot of clean water and almost 75 to 80 percent of the homes are not deliverable anymore. the places of worship have been bumped to the ground, humanitarian leave, things look very difficult. however, if the ceasefire agreement with its 3 faces will be put out and wouldn't be auctioned upon, i think we can provide some kind of for these to the standings on the ground. it allows us to ensure that they have some sort of dignity. why is the time to go through this over the next few years? however, i, like i said, i am very optimistic with the outcomes of the summit league. i think that's the goal is that's what outlined. and i think that the, the, the, the money that has been put and the elections and the ultimate and the unity of the up towards resolving what's happening. and because of is very optimistic. and look,

if i was about to see me lead that right now. and someone talks to me about, for example, the importance of what needs to happen. we need to be united. we need to ensure that we are, we are working towards a free pa this time. and it's very important to learn from what happens in ukraine . a few, with decades back when the us and russia agreed together with ukraine to remove the weapons from ukraine. however, look at you claim that i know you can enjoy right now was begging to ensure that the 3 main strong and independence of to russia, the commenting of instead of a war i'm trying to take over a weight slant. so i think the students are going to learn that lesson and they are not going to make any deal which would include removing the only source of negotiation, which is ensuring that they are able to resist towards a free palestine. while with the info, as a lobbyist, they on the go ahead only know if i may just add to them and sores analysis,

which i concur. the great for judy of his early domestic politics at the moment, which students set about the status quote certainly is not just a practical silver analysis, but it is quite likely to be true. still, israel is not in a position that says guards and the state of school is really domestic politics is teetering on the brink. not just because of the dislike of his trust for nothing. yeah. but because of that, then he has governments complete failure in governing the country throughout this period of war. i think that should be taken into consideration term or is just as likely as the preservation of the status. cool. okay, that's an interesting point. good about a minute less, so want to give it stephen i'll, we may be on the verge of even further the stabilizing developments. it's expected that the trump administration, trump, is actually said that he's going to make, i think,

4 weeks ago. exactly. he said he's going to make an announcement concerning the westbank is us. recognition of is riley annexation of the westbank coming. and what would that mean? a minimum though, the recognition of the effective is really amex ation of the legal settlements and, and surrounding areas that would consolidate any of the parties of situation there. and then he could in fact, go all the way support had a section of the entire west bank though. i'm a little more dubious without even given that the israeli government itself is not gotten into to this point. but i certainly don't see any kind of a plan for it's coming that would mean any kind of a viable palestinian state, a long sizes rule. indeed, in certain ways, the most unrealistic part of the arab league proposal is that of a viable to state solution based on the 1967 borders with the palestinians. a

capital in east jerusalem. because even even many, many observers as quarters of the palestinian cause, recognize that it may be too late for that. we need to start talking about it by national or democratic secular state of single states. and that the 2 state solution is, is frankly dead because of the mass of colonization, of the, of the west bank. so, you know, even short of a outright recognition of total annexation. i can't imagine any proposal by the shock administration coming a for that will do anything, but put us further away from a viable to state solution are. all right, we're going to have to leave it then let's time con, guess very much already. goldberg months. so to mind and steven, soon as i am due, you can watch to any time by going over to our website out to 0. don't com for further discussion. have a 2 on facebook page. that's facebook dot com,

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i'm the buffering to how the top story is allowed to 0. the white house has confirmed the trump administration has been in direct talks with how much is the 1st time that you have us as engaged directly with a mass which it designated the terrace organization in 1997. what has pressed succeed? caroline 11th declined to comment on the scope of the discussions when it comes to the negotiations that you're referring to. first of all, the special envoy he's engaged and as negotiations does have the authority to talk to anyone on israel was consulted on this.