one of the major problems facing the chinese government at this week's national people's congress is the real estate site to the building boom, which for so long the fuel rapid growth in the country stopped to drain the economic slowdown, leaving developed as crippled by debt and invest as empty handed, tony chang reports from young, cooper, ne, in china. delegates assembled in the great hold of the people. i'm one of the biggest challenges the property market. but china is premier said the problem is under control. fact you from asperger's were made to stem the downturn on the restore stability in the real estate market, where you reduce the interest rates for housing loans and the ratios of dong payments will a promise of tax cuts and low interest rates help. it's too late for investors at the grand river side bay in northeast in china, the luxury c side departments were designed the affluent retirees. now the entire

complex is in ruins. and the developing company collapsed with $300000000000.00 of debt. and this isn't an isolated case. there are projects like this in cities across the country. china is housing over supply. problem is now so bad. it's estimated there are 60000000, they can homes. that's enough to house an entire medium sized country. exhibition centers office blocks in housing estates and list of the city full unoccupied. mrs. penn moved to several years ago, opened a pizza restaurant. but there were never enough customers. now she barely civilized by providing catering services to sports clubs, managing and cannot go to the young people are leaving the city to find jobs outside. in more, more people are going to big cities are fewer and fewer people are staying here to live and work a duel. this development with no growth has come at

a huge cost. china is building boom, has left the real estate sick to $7.00 trillion dollars in debt, an amount the government comp just rights off. if you have at that, that's around 10 percent of the entire gd, be just owing to the property sector. that is actually quite a, quite a, quite a amount of debt that cannot just be absolved by a single year or no, it's a, it's a, it's clearly a multi your cycle that they were talking about. so it's not a government stimulus has failed to kicks the property market empty apartments in houses across the country, a home to remind to the dreaming big can come with a very high cost. tony chang al jazeera, you can co, ne, in china like a up to date, that's it for me, the pocket them to get a website. i'll just hear a don't call 1000000 side will be here. and just the 30 minutes time with more news of the stream is coming up next day with us here. and i'm just here, bye for now. the

the have you ever wondered about how the police were born and raised shape your life and to now, how much easier would some of your life choices have been had you come from a different neighborhood, city or country? i'm on these voices, and on this episode of the screen we look into whether geography is destiny is a premise that can be fought against the

across the world and across time. people's opportunities have been linked to where they happen to live, access to services, education, job opportunities were granted to certain populations to the detriment of others for control segregation. apartheid were all systems we fought against, but their legacy still haunts communities. and in some parts of the world, those tools of oppression are still being applied today. joining us to discuss the implications of this reality are that i such as to follow an a i research fellow at the distributed a research institute. her work focuses on the effects of spatial apartheid in post apartheid south africa. hassan with selma, and associate professor in human geography at oxford university and a senior fellow at the institute for pow as time studies. shenika simpson,

a community activist, and one of the founding members of the north omaha redlining commission and jacob faber and associate professor of sociology and public service at new york university and co founder of its red lining lab. thanks you all so much for your time. thank you for being part of the stream today. jacob, can you start us off here with a definition? what is spatial segregation? exactly? sure, so 1st, thank you very much for having me. and you know, when i talk about segregation, i'm typically referring to the fact that people of different racial or ethnic are class groups often live in different areas. so in the united states, for example, the white people are the most segregated group, the typical white person in america lives in a neighborhood that's about 70 percent white. and typical black person lives in

a neighborhood that's about 40 percent black. and it's worth noting, of course, that there is nothing inherently wrong with people living and same race or ethnicity communities. the problem is that we have layered so many other opportunities structures on top of a racially segregated country. and the important take way is that, you know, every society has some form of some pattern know segregation by race, ethnicity, religion, class, summer work streamed, and others. and critically the, the consequences of segregation are vastly different across societies as well. i mean, you use the example, the us shamika you, you live in omaha, nebraska, and you said you feel the impact of segmentation in your daily life. can you tell us about the us? can you tell us how the lack of access to don't know affordable housing and

a health care affect your life and that of your children? i absolutely. um, once again, thank you for having me on the show today. i've always felt the impact of segregation and even before i knew what it was, i knew that there was something wrong that there was something drastically different about my surroundings about my life. i just found the way that i lived versus other people, particularly what i saw on tv back when i was growing up in beverly hills 9. 02. i know it was very popular and i would always look at those shows and then look at my surroundings typically like what was wrong with me or what was wrong with my family that we couldn't grow up and have good manage to logs in the swimming pool and the huge school, but all of the resources, what i didn't know, of course,

at that time that those were systematic and purposeful. i things i had been done to communities to keep certain groups of people a permanent under class. and so i understanding that helped me to understand, you know, how important it was for me to not only understand what was going on in my surroundings, but try to do things to combat it. so it gets everything from health, from education to social determinants of health, to understanding even higher, brainless, formed, and how you make decisions all play a huge part in how it where you grow up. oh, yeah, you basically shapes who you are in all aspects of your existence, right? right. so, so you were born after the end of a par side in south africa, back in 94. but you have memories,

you shared some of the memories with us before this recording about being aware. it's all on equal access in communities, right. can you tell us about that? by the moment you realized, based on where you live, you get better or worse or even no service at all. and how did you actually make the connection between dice and the legacy of a par side? yeah, thank you for having me. when i. busy as a child, maybe like before 10, i would see like my older cousins coming to my house before they gave birth. so coming to my house is because my house was close to a hospital so they would not be able to rely on like public services like an ambulance to be able to take them when they call it in an emergency country and they rely on ambulance is when you come from, even like a village or townships,

a lot of the population of south africa still lives in villages. but, but this is still the same reality that they face. oh, it's a wash link. i was talking about the perpetuation of, of certain classes, right? and keeping certain parts of the population just stuck where they are and palestinians living under is really occupation today. experience conditions that understand from national and many other organizations have said amount to apartheid because of the many parallels with the institutionalized segregation in place in south africa. until the ninety's and that impacts virtually all aspects of life in the occupied territories. including moving from point a to point b is really activist. and during the list under a sentence, this 1st hand account of a journey across the occupied westbank. the lack of freedom of movement is one of the most obvious facts of life so far as it ends in the west bank. if you're essentially you can freely across the green line and go from assessments,

assessments, and as posting. and sometimes you struggle in order to get out of your own village . i was just giving an example of my past 2 days. and the other thing we're trying to get from someone from all of that right now which and the normal circumstances without checkpoints what same? cuz maybe an hour and a half, 2 hours. but the direct roads has a 3 options, subject points. and any of them would take us anywhere between 2 to 9 hours. it's across the deluxe. so today, so what could 7? the me the catch up, the plumber on the phone. one of those, most of all are not really so not blessed. i bought onto just a little german novelists. knew of the g uh, auto bought. com. it's uh, it's its, uh, the image. but look at the look at this much give us image. should we not us, who are them, would do it for them at the, on the, on the, on the, on the i called the gym. i ended up going in the, in the low. so we'll forced to take

a massive detour. driving over this mountain roads, which not every car can even go through in order to get to a different check point at which we can still get stopped and detain. so i need an emergency at all, but i had to look at this. saw a little lower the low know the cindy's block. but the of gotten one of the more the the but the in the box up or to raise over the mountain. and one of them is close by the army right down completely . and this one seems to be open, but we're going to have to see here the kind of a check points which people can spend hours of one hours of one hours. all of them are queuing in order to cross the how many check point that way. and there is probably even longer line on the other side of people to hang in order to get out of it again from the other side. and this isn't as rarely car was kansas,

but this is the so called south of the junction, which is a common place for central us to throw stones at biasing posted in vehicles, hundreds of cars. and this is the check points around the molar, which is a tiny section of a just to leave the town for any reason. you need to stand in line for hours and hours and hours under the 1st. i've done it when we bought the hospital because it was, it was gibbon was that daina charge is an ice cream or somebody to medina, johnny margie's having taken a mess of detroit. we finally got the singles, which is under constant attack by side window is offensive, which has me nearly completely blocked off out of 6 roads that lead into the village. and the one is open right now. and this break lot has been sending,

therefore here in the file. so since it before the 7 and the 3, obviously the 1st barbed wire at the end so that people cannot someone's walk in the road over here on the one side it's open, but then the other side, it leads directly. it's essentially the cars are completely incapable for going through have a 1000000 stories of this kind of thing. especially when i go around with my posting in friends and colleagues frequently gets the team to check for himself of our search within next to a military bases. and i remember these moments when i just started going around the west bank with my post, gimme a colleagues, the way that you go from point a to point be checking groups as which say which tech points are open now, then you just ask people on the roads, how do we get that the response? it sounds like, oh, you can't take this road because there was a check point that it's closed. and this road has been blocked by rocks. and so you can take that route and, but there are frequently settlers that throwing rocks at 1st in front of so you need to be careful. and that's just the reality and not just for journalists and activists, but for every folks in, in,

in the west bank has them. and that reality has been going on for decades. obviously this is nothing new, but we saw that for those who don't know this reality, this is a very concrete way of understanding just how this data makes life really hard. for some people. can you tell us from your work, how does to of segregation is used to just perpetuates this strategy of systemic oppression, particularly in the occupied westbank to yes, thanks very much for, for having me. i think i'd like to start by just points and got the viewers attention to the unpaid roads that the on the, on the driver were taken, which kind of presents perfectly the network of 2nd digital stuff is a offer type that is a set. the colonialism has built a costs but on the, on the distort, satisfied. in fact, since october 7th, and the united nations office for the. ready for the coordination of humanitarian

affairs or in the occupied territories. as the reports of 800 up the cause movement, obstacles that have been put in place by the army in the west bank at ease or sell them. and uh, and hitch 2 area of all of people and these include uh, you know, 4 check points, permanent check points, partial check points throughout the blocks on gates that the army can open and close to control the livelihoods of, of, of palestinians on, i think we should as a historical analysis of this public or flight so called public applies to. is it right? it has implanted across the land of palestine, which obviously is parts and the occupation in 1967, but also in 9048th. with that, this was session of the palestinians. i'm one thing to keep in mind too when we think about is that you just have to colonialism like other stuff. the colonial regions, like back in south africa and is reliance on the displacement of the indigenous population to take that lives and replace them with samplers. and that happens to

might have been mechanisms, one of which is the segregation off off of the lawn to make it exclusively of use for. ready the suck there is why preclude thing the natives from using that that same line done so many of the check points that we actually see today can be traced back particularly to the 2nd intifada. but what's happened between 2002004. after that, is it a, i'm, this are, you are me. so a task force that devise a plan tight. so everything flows that what is meant to keep the permanence of the check points on the infrastructure of segregation. but the 2nd uprising figured out, and it's the same structure that stays with us on. so today on the structure. okay, it's a 2 tiered system according to the palestinians. you prefer on the job, but it's all america. and that system is up at 11. and so changes on the roads as high speeds for is that 80 satler's, lower level secondary roads, other thoughts?

because you know what the topic apply for for palestinian citizens. and so i think that's the main purpose of segregation are more tough to find a more collective punishment against the palestinian population. and you've talked about their um, well, displacement $45000.00 postings have been displaced in the west bank only in the past month. only since january, that's the biggest displacement there since israel, by the area back in 67. and jacob, i want to bring you back in because we're talking about obviously very 3 very different geographical locations, 3 very different places. and yes, they're all experiencing some form of division within their societies. what do you see as some of the biggest differences, but also some similarities between these occupied boston and territories? the united states and south africa? yeah. this, these cases are obviously quite unique,

but they do have important similarities. you know, we can look at housing policy. um, you know, the, the state is the primary actor responsible for creating and sustaining racial division in each of these places. so there are, you know, strong parallels between the histories of urban renewal and red lining in the united states. with the, you know, the creation of slums in south africa and settlement policy in palestine. each of these cases involve the forest displacement of a racially or ethnically or religiously marginalized group uh for the benefit of a privilege group. along with, you know, housing and infrastructure development to, uh, to compromise that division. and importantly, as threats of violence. and of course, actual instances of violence by the state directed almost completely towards the

marginalized communities. also helped reify these racial and spatial boundaries as a citizen violence, which is often sanctioned by the state implicitly or explicitly. so in, in each of these places, you know, where you live shapes is that each of the speakers have. uh, uh, mentioned today already, you know, shapes your access to employment opportunities and education opportunities, health care, it's cetera. i would say that, you know, palestine is the most extreme case among these 3, but you know, whether you're waiting at a check pointing in the west bank or it at a isolated bus stop in brownsville neighborhood of, of new york city. you know, living in a marginalized community exerts very real costs on a daily basis, which, you know, by just sign makes it difficult for people to leave those neighborhoods for,

you know, their job schools, housing, etc. so, and to change their life, you know, calling me yes. all right, and, and jacob, right, you mentioned there the policy or a red lining into us, and i want to share it with our viewers eclipse from the documentary divisible to help us understand that context. to take a look. they created over 200 maps of cities across the country, color coded with a neighborhood ranking system which local real estate developers and appraisers used to assign grades to residential neighborhood. category a was the best, this neighborhood is fantastic. and that generally meant that you were dealing with, well seeing white individuals category be was somewhat desirable. so it's still in pretty good condition. category c is somewhat declining, which generally meant that in 2 to 3 years, this neighborhood won't be in disarray. they will be abject poverty that will become an american ghetto. and then category gene,

which was the red area detrimental influence, negro infiltration, presence of foreign born populations during the run down hazardous. and it was considered hazardous, primarily because of the people who lived there by this time, many lives believe that the value of their house is intimately tied to the non presence of non whites from their neighborhood. shamika, you are on the board of directors of this documentary and there was a quote that stood out for me and there we tend to look at people as how they are today without the historical context of how they got here. you really made educating communities about redlining, an important part of your life's work. can you tell us why it is so important? i mean, knowing it's just half the battle. right. and we haven't even started fighting. and a lot of communities here in the united states,

a lot of people don't know how their community became and get a lot of people don't understand why they get to grow up in a privileged community or in an area where they have the resources. we tend to think we just ended up here by law or, you know, we worked hard merit. a lot of this is inner, an intergenerational it's inherited well that was passed down or inherited well that was stolen so that it could be passed out in certain generations and withdrawn and taken from other communities for generations. so generational poverty and generational, well, we're all purposely instituted through systematic policy as a way, once again of creating a permanent underclass literally not just you and your mom, but your children,

your grandchildren and your great grandchildren were slated years ago to either be wealthy or to be poor and it's, it, it is so important what you just said there, we keep talking about marriage in the american dream, right? but it's not in her is just privilege her or lack there. all right, so to we, we, we keep seeing these tools being used in the perpetuation of these systems. i want to talk to you about the future and about the change because in south africa, more than 30 years since the apartheid. since the end of the far side, black people still only own a small fraction of farm land, but the majority remains. with the white minority, the president signed a bill into law the beginning of the year, allowing land seizures move that many. so as a significant milestone towards the reform in the country, your thoughts on whether this legislation is actually a step in the right direction and also how the work that you do in to contribute to try and change these inequalities. i guess, i mean,

if we think about how black people today, good land like village or the of the people in the slums, they occupy that the black gland that is not designated to them and create a slum in hopes that the government will then allocate the land to that, and we've been seeing how slums have been converted to follow a housing by the government. but this is at a slow rate, and it's mostly due to the fact that the government also does not have the land to actually allocate back to the people. i mean, these are the same people who have been forced out of the land is ago. and then today they will, the ends to actually live in this is more than 70 percent of the population that actually occupies the small percentages of your hand. so i think this. busy bill is the step in the right direction, according to the constitutional side of the cast. people have right to have

a place to live and to have a dignified place to live. shame obviously the past i'm positing territory is in the occupation. it is the most dramatic of the pictures we've been discussing here, but, but how do you see things moving forward? what are the tools in the hands of palestinians to fight against it? to yes, i think it's quite selling and formative support palestine relationally in comparison with what's racism in the united states and the post are tied together to use and south africa. new started with the promise of the, you know, geography has destiny. whether we have question, thoughts on, i think we must question thoughts based on some because intervention important intervention thoughts, you know, it's not destiny precisely because it's done through practices, institutions and policies that ensure the continuation of control over the line by science and communities while preclude things the needs of indigenous communities

from having access to that lot. so i think what post apartheid south africa can teach us in palestine. is this insanity precisely of the lines question on the idea of the land must be the distribution. if you know a palestine, we have been facing the facts of long since 1948th onto today, then any solution for the future must and vision a distribution of the land to the inhabitants of that lot. and how do we overcome this inequality? jacob, your turn, there is no way to, to undo or address these inequality is without, without transfer of wealth and power. but we also need to break the ties between geography and his outcomes. you know, we don't have to have schools and health care institutions. if you delete accumulate, well those things don't have to depend on where you live. we can, we can absolutely build a more inclusive society sneaker for perhaps the final word on your hope for the future of your community and the hope of your other future's your daughters. as

well, right i'm, i'm known for saying that those who come into power through evil means don't tend to give it up for good. so i believe our job is to put the power back into the people. the people need to take their power back. it can look like revolution, it could look like reparations, but we can't decide on our slavers to set us free. we have to find freedom and demanded for our sales. shamika rice such a passion and jacob, thank you very much for joining us today. and thank you all for watching. stay in touch with us online and i'll see you next 5 years out through the virus was discovered,

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