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hello welcome to the show. i'm sam is a then a new and was sitting political crisis in bosnia herzegovina, author, the polymers of the autonomous entity republic, a subsidy, also known as r. s band, the national police and judiciary from operating the leader of the bosnian serb region. miller, i don't think now calling on the fellow asked nick stubs to quit the federal police and judiciary. all of this follows delta x conviction last month for undermining the constitution. well, he's been defiant in response, ignoring a summons from the national prosecutors. he's been sentenced by the national call to a year in jail and a 6 year ban on holding public office. both new and state officials say delta x moves amount to accrue the u and the u. s. embassy inside of open condemning the bosnian serb lee that they say is threatening the stability and territorial integrity of bosnia herzegovina. you know,

before we go to what's been happening on the ground, let's 1st take a look at the background. current political arrangements complex and stem from the 1995 data and peace agreement. that deal ended the wall following the breakup of yugoslavia data and says how to main autonomous entities in bosnia herzegovina. one is public, a set of sco seen here, which is majority as nick sub the all the is known as the federation. it's home to estimate crowds and balls being most, vince, each of these areas has its own government, parliament and police. the central state also has its own size of these institutions in the capital, saudi eva, but above them is the office of the high representative that office maintains implementation of the dates having a cold and can override decisions by any authority in the country. looks full all of this without guess. shortly about 1st,

this report from wilson dies on a stand off between the leader of bosnia is similar to a ton, this republican service guy and the central government meeting of fresh political crisis and the country ravaged by war. in the 1990s, president mueller, red toyota is defying a summons from the central government. after you was convicted in february of undermining the countries constitution that overseas a fragile framework for power and territory to be shared between positive muslims crow outs inserts. on thursday, dick signed laws prohibiting the cooperation between republicans, serfs, guy, and the central authorities in san diego. always ok when you said the, well, let's do these laws and now forwarded to the official gazette. that'll be printed over nice and will come into force the day after, which means on friday. we will of course, follow that very efficiently and very efficiently implement these laws of the internationally broker date and peace accords brought an end deposit as war in 1995

and gave extensive powers to an official known as the high representative to ensure its implementation. the national and community remains firmly committed to peace and stability in this region boss. and that's a going to go to continue to move forward on it's european tough. it does x hard line stance is part of a drive for republicans service good to split away and has prompted us sanctions lack of international investment and worsening economic conditions have. we can support for godek. but at a rally before his day in court, dick supporters reaffirmed their backing for him on his shoulder. now should we should defend our republican because it was borne from blood in regarding the president. no one can do anything to him. we are here. it is impossible to judge something like that. oh sides customer. so this quickly, these are they are judging our president because they want to leave us without homes to expel us from this area. that has never happened. all the people here said

that the law, their country, and everything that belongs to them. dick also claims support from serbia's president alexander budgets and hung gary and prime minister victor oregon. moscow has also denounced the charges brought against him. reports on fridays, said the republic, a subsequent officers had begun moving against state police. the bosnian state security agency chief denied that his officers had been forced out of their headquarters in bosnia luca products. defiance of the central government and the high representative could endanger 30 years of peace in bosnia wilson dies ard, else 0 for inside store. well that spring on guess into the show, we have joining us from buying the a luca set of john mazda and it's a member of parliament and president of the s and s the. that's the governing policy in the republic. a sub scott in san diego codes, but seen

a co founder of democrats size ation policy council. that's a think tank and in los angeles, yes. mean we out of age, a senior non resident fellow, the new lines institute weston ball consent to a well come tool of you. and if i can start with cooked in saturday, eva. so could, is this, is it fed say this is the most serious crisis to hit boston who since the end of the war? i think it is fair to say that it's the certainly the most direct challenge to the territorial integrity in state. go to bosnia herzegovina as defined in the dayton agreement and as reinforced by the, the international community. uh, that definition is changing. i'm sure we'll get to that. um, but up until for the past 30 years, almost. uh, yeah. so i think the challenge is yes, i'm sorry about that i, i've, so i thought you are finished. i'll let you finish the thought. go ahead. could i

have the real question is what, what the, what the europeans in particular are going to do to a whole that agreement, given the current constellation. all right, and that is a question will come to light about. i wanted to ask you asked me that this point, i guess one of the big questions is 1st, will the central government authorities, the national government authorities in bosnia may come move to try and the rest, the president of the bosnian autonomous entity, miller adult, acknowledged he's failing that, he's just going to ignore court orders. he's going to ignore summons from states. institutions of what we've seen today to bargain state institutions behaving very responsibly. they are moving very deliberately, the constitutional court of boston, who is presently evaluating these laws. we expect they will be filing an emergency in junction within the next few hours. at that point, obviously, the prosecutor's office will be up to that. we will see them opening up

a investigation. although there are rivers that an investigation is obviously already been open. i think at this time, but his name was he isn't as early as all, but he's been issued with the summons and he says he's not going to come and on so that someone's by the prosecute to yes, of course i think the reaction, i'm sorry to have was 1st and foremost, lot of trying to get older ducks in a row, and then it's, and when it comes to the time it was, you know, they will have to be arrested which unfortunately anticipate, given his current behavior may very well happen within the next few days that that can be accomplished successfully. although as we've seen over the last 2 days or so from reporting, including from home your media, it is quite likely that mr. dudley will not wait to be arrested by boston state police, and that he will in fact, leave the country most likely to be heading to budapest. all right, let's bring sort of john into the discussion. so john, i'm guessing you have a very different perspective on what's happening that stop. first of all with the question of what will be the response of republicans, subs authorities. republicans subscript police. if the central government

does make moves to apprehend miller and they'll take reading the problem concerns kind of so assembly we have adopted the some of the roles that's prohibited and the not recognizing any implementing the assistance of. busy the prosecutor's office of the courts of the boys as to going to the state agency. i will disagree with the colleagues, especially for me if it's the way out of the switches, saying queen, saying that this is going to be a rest of the kids are going to be honest because of the state agency, the cpr doesn't have a possibly doesn't have power to confront the police of the republicans subscribing to arrest and the cuz they don't do it either. they couldn't be arrested. and that's for sure. it's not the bank that happened in ext uh several days. but what we are doing, what, what is clearly important of the verdict. busy of against the deltacare is

a legal and it is also a legally does actually that zip a violation of the constitutional order. because the whole that the next to the priest asked me for my minister, i got a cold sort of germany connected the amendments to the criminal. uh that's in the, the people who are on the subject. we don't suffer the subjects to his uh, orders. uh, it has to be sentenced to the prison. it's really a medieval and putting him in the position as a colonial has hang on. sort of john hang on to his office though. was created by the de tone agreement. right. so you may not like his offerings, but he does have, according to the data, an agreement which is the de facto constitution of, of bosnia he has, oh no, no, no, it doesn't have the bone power. so does, does not re, re, we cannot find the bone by one of the things that they can piece agreement the bone

powers were adopted much more late during the bomb conference of the peace implementation console where the form. ready invested as members of the business that isn't custom. well cool. and the intention of the fire presents do. stewart brings and decisions but not to do it and act them all to amend the constitution and to remove elected officials. so within the data piece agreement, we think the constitution onyx for it is said that the parliamentary assembly of the both has to go over now is the institution which is uh, in charge of the inactive legislation. so adopting the button, so you're getting the wrong thing again. but middle rad delta is a fine, even central and national government institutions. now it's not just a matter of the national guard, right. what? no, there is no national government did because that was established. it's in, it's in the annex is of the enroll agreement, full, sorry, great general from the brief i think that you are not very well informed about

these, these institutions that they find snap down and do so. no more. no, they are not there. please read the constitution of both and have to go over and there is no prosecutor's office court or state's c, pa, state investment investment. be investigate the c panel. definitely. now that was crated in 2004, but i'm saying that the, the general court framework agreement for peace in bosnia herzegovina assigned in paris and 19 and 14th of december 1995. it did create 2 entities and one national government by do you know that in how, how government caused some of the ministers? okay. those council, those council ministers, do you not recognize? they have any all 40 over the entity, governments. but the console of the ministers, the 1st uh what is written in the day, from the disagreement. there is no authority to uh,

judiciary. the judiciary wasn't charge of the entities and the 2004, then it was the compact. this is a transfer. it's to the whole thing and that's the going to level off to the higher representatives amended the, the, the lowest level of live and active village installation. and uh, but we cannot find these institutions in the constitution. there is no a port or prosecutor's office, or c p, a agency within the constitution of both have to go into the constitutional and the court of the boss has to go in. are they? uh uh there was a trial, right? and there was a verdict in that, but, and based on the law, enacted by the christy schmidt who is not responsible and he's not in, he doesn't have power to enact village installation. okay, so this is what you're given. you'll have somebody do the basic piece agreement and the cost if you some right. so we are preserving that next heights agreement. all

right, let me let me bring coating cause i can see. he was raising his eyebrows and shaking his head. so i think you have something to say about that perspective of the institutions, which was set top on the national level in boston. yeah. all they illegitimate and illegal. the northern side, they were, they were decided by internet inter governmental agreement, including with mueller ongoing support. several of these institutions, and he was willing to validate them in a vote that he made in 2006. unfortunately, the constitution was not invented in the so called april package, but he was willing to put all those elements into the constitution. every new institution that was built in postwar state building in bosnia herzegovina that had been agreed by both the federation and republican service that he had agreed to. so this is revisionist, this is an attempt to renegotiate from, from the current position. everything that happened before is illegal. we want to

go back to a state that has no power, no, due to sherry nobility, the truck will try organized, crime and corruption, which is one of the things that the state board, the convicted and has power to do. so i don't think that that's a legitimate argument. that is a consistent republican service, the arguments that everything that has happened is a legal and we want to go back to original date, but i don't think it holds water that's bringing the, i guess the, the bottom line question. yes me is, is this a country that is heading back to will? you know, it's not a country that's headed back to work, but just but what a very quick thing i do want to point out the absurdity of what my colleague companion guys just says. because your audience that was listening would have heard a man who's arguing basically the statute law was unconstitutional. right. is the equivalent of saying that because the, the, i is not in the american constitution. that's and i'm constitutional body. right.

so it's kurt has obviously explained virtually every aspect of what the strand i think is currently adjusting against is something that in previous moments he and his party had supported including something that is not completely been lost. certain in this conversation that mr. another once was an error as well, very striving support, for instance, advising her to be as nato integration as well. but be that as it may know, budget's giving is not headed towards conflict. um, 1st and foremost because mr duddy does not have some power that some of his predecessors had, for instance, in 1992. when certain nationalists forces, again, sort of a legally attempted to secede from body search, it could be helped, mentally resulting in the box in genocide, that was the time when serv nationalist forces and the regime in belgrade at that time. and just let him know, most of which has far, far greater power at their disposal and still were unsuccessful in trying to break of bosnia which is that it has a fraction of a fraction of a political and kinetic power that people are kind of the one kind of gets into the

chat. she does not have the capacity to break up the box, right? that's not to say that we're not headed towards the potentially or it sounds like you're saying yes, mean of the, the regional situation has changed. i mean us vista sort of john is a diplomatic resolution possible tool. do you see any pathway way of buy bosnian serb authorities and the republicans sub sco, they withdrawal these laws and decisions which are defined the central government institutions and also mean that i thought it gets to stay in office and you know, the sort of the front hanging over his head is removed, is the a diplomatic way out of this? a s, i think that there is and we have adopted the decision and the nationalism. we are for public a subs, go with several provisions. and we also invited the federation of the ones that have to go into the other entity, negotiations above the future. uh, set up the constitutional and legal setup of the most have to go over now. and i

think that there is going to be a very low to the decision of the cost of the course of the goal is to have to go with it. but i must say to mr. brockovich because of the fact that vi is not in the us constitution, but the u. s. a has a totally different constitutional and the legal to setup. then both have to go in either. this is the angle sex symbol. if you wants to adopt a law and to uh, and organize and to establish the institution, you have to have a constitutional provisions that's uh they have to enable enables uh this is excellence. i also want to say that's uh yes. maybe we can say that the internet entity agreement that's existed but these think that the agreements were violated in the late the late the so we have the rights to retreat to uh, the additional research on the and telling me about why i think what is your perspective that you, i mean i really mind is the can i can i just saw your question 1st. i was,

i mean it's, i let me, let me explain the class you with me. let me explain the question and then i'll give you a chance to answer it, but it sounds like you're on going to return to the situation as it was in december 1995. if you can see that the, the dates had an agreement did set top 2 entities in one state. but if there are no, yeah, face institutions whatsoever. how is there is a functioning states, a tool that or there are the easy to so so and the level of the entity. so this is the, how is the incident and how, how is the response if there are no states institutions because data and as i'm showing, you know, was simply in agreement when the war with the process of building the state to come next as well. you have a different kinds of states that the sensor lies in the different kinds of federal structures of the countries. so they're out of state institutions,

but nobody says in the beginning the that's the data should be the institutions of the both have to go on that level and also the entity distribution. yeah. through every hole that was the 5 years you organized crime, sorry, a the john or just had a general chance to finishes. so and then i'll come back to i promise, in a 2nd. look at the savannah. go ahead. so to, uh, what we want to say here. uh, that's the christy schmidt and the law she inactive and she doesn't have the rights to and to use the blowing hot powers in depth in that case. this was the violation of the constitutional order. and also as well when the court of the goals and having to go now and the prosecutor's office decided, uh they made decisions based on the diesel. because there is no possibility that the, that the kind of the present that this in constitution of the both as the governor

ken and next the laws. and this is something that, that they did a violating the both of the vacant piece equipment and the cost do. so both of them and i am saying that there is a possibility to meet in the future to uh for the 2 entities. and we also invite that the other entity to negotiations, okay, reviews the vista invitation, you know, we want to discuss and we want to negotiate a cause you make that as long as the right time to them. let me just give a chance. 44. you asked me to briefly as well, yes. main. and then we want to move on from this point, but i know you have yes. i'll come to you in a minute code. go ahead. yes. me for sure. so 1st and foremost, the important thing time besides here is that there is no dialogue between the entities. this is like saying that we need to have a constitutional dialogue between kentucky and a higher right. there are state institutions in bosnia herzegovina and amendments to the constitutional more than i heard anything that can be enacted exclusively through the state parliament of bosnia herzegovina. is mr. moseley,

mr. dudley would like to have a serious conversation about institutional rearrangements and by the here to give you know, they can do so that the state parliament, which they obviously have refused to do. so they also have the option of going to the bus and constitutional court, which they have refused to do so, and then a very case that they have done. so they have been struck down and they also have the option of going to the european court of human rights, which they have also refused to do so. so very clearly there's an attempt to your to yes, i mean i'm not even nature let, let me bring you sometimes point though they don't recognize the institutions of the state though, like the bosnian constitutional cold. what your stuff that's no recognizable, that's the point retros bucks. as we are recognizing the institutions the most is going on. we are recognizing the bottom at the bottom of the team. they've done some of them in the service. all right, what is the problem if you want to negotiate? like yes, maybe to the sides. so john, sorry, let slip. he asked me to finish his point. now go ahead. okay. yeah, exactly right. as, as the, as you just heard, we have existing institutions. we have existing state institutions,

there actually is a very clearly defined process of governance in bottom units of unit. and the problem is that let mr. dudley again, his total partner attempting to do something that is not viable in any country on earth, which is that southern national administrative units, such as the entities, unilaterally pull out of national laws or existing national institutions that doesn't work anywhere those rotations need to be region the re negotiated at the state level within state institutions. okay. i think we go to a brief couple of minutes that so when i give could a chance to come in cause he's been waiting patiently and waving his hand, going go, go for it. well, i mean, i think, i think there's, there's a contextual element that needs to be needs to be framed, which is this comes at a time, but mueller, her daughter has been never been as, as much under pressure as he is now. his popularity is low. he's low on money,

he's reliance on support. from external actors, you mentioned or bond, but also alexander serbia code. how do you know the low? how do we know his popularity is the i'm choice, we'll just would argue anyone, the lifestyle, the ever in the nation. look at the population drifting in republic, a search good, which is a head, even of the federation where people are leaving people are leaving the whole region . i take that point, but the reality is with his go. and so done the next gift code, a chance to finish the thought, to go ahead. ok, record feedback there. there is a legitimacy problem for the entire political class, but mueller rod don't it has, has the points in chalice of being the man responsible for every but everything and republican service cuz it doesn't appear that there's one boss. he's been boss for 19 years. so there's something wrong there. he's the only one to blame and that's,

that's why a lot of people are not leaving their state institution jobs because they're not confident they're going to get paid as they do. all right, let me put the question. so john, i'll okay, go ahead. uh, the problem here is that, uh, there is no uh, to negotiate the from the book says to going out, there is no, the credible and legitimate political power even for the nation. both is it going on as we can negotiate with any further. so what's the going uh you can say that there is don't think and that does because the power, okay, does it use the president of the republicans of scott? and if you want to negotiate with republicans on sky, you go to presidency by go to the united states. and then donald trump is the president. and yeah, i negotiated, we did the long term. what does that person need for the original? all right, let's go in a minute. we've made our showing. we have job of that. just going to place them. okay, that's good. we have to bring the reply to that. okay. reply to that. yeah. me what,

what am i calling in by me located suggesting is that the state government, which is to say the federal government of the united states or the national government of germany should be negotiating with a may or, or with a regional governor. that's not how constitutional arrangements work. in bosnia. that's not how constitutional arrangements work, anywhere in the world. okay. that the national administrative units do not negotiate with the national government. all right, i think it's all, in fact that's a veneration. all right, if i just want to be made here. yeah. briefly go ahead. yeah, i mean the other point is look at the federation entity and the rest of us here. it's giving it is considerably more democratic unfortunately than what we presently find to be are a sense the oh no, no one person. okay? because we're running rapidly out of time. i want to ask the basic question of the bottom line. they say that can never be a war in the balkans without the being regional appetite for it is the regional and international appetite for

a conflict right now. when you read everyone from the or pins, the donald trump let america nato and the russians. and so they are on the other side the international constellation is not positive as bosnia, herzegovina, b, question mark for 19 years has brought out the worst and serbian croatia. i think what you're seeing go to do is try to cancel a tu, tu, tu? voltage in oregon to get connected to trump unhelpful, hopefully get him to weigh in on, on his side of the popular level. there's no appetite for conflict. but conflict always comes from above in the balkans for political benefit. it did the 1st time in 199192. and so could we have a war all on 1992? no. could people get hurt? yes, and then the dynamic would change. so that's why the european union needs to reinforce its deterrence on the ground. make clear there will be no succession because it

will not be permitted. and then i think you'll, you'll see the entire political situation calm because the possibility of leveraging fear will be dissipated. i like that sense in so calm and dissipating faith because we are out of time. let's hope that com and dissipation of fear holds across. thank you so much to on guess i'm afraid we are out of time and others can go on. but sort of john mazda elisa codes, but seen a and yes, mean we on of it, i'm fine. q 2 for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website al jazeera, don't com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story and also join the conversation on exxon handlers at a j inside story. from me, sam is a that and the whole team for now is to find the

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