the the civilian somebody, the hundreds killed in syria won't government forces. bible fights is loyal to the proposed asset regime. president of it all shut off promises, accountability for anyone attacking civilians. the un envoy expresses allow. so what's the risk of escalation? this is inside the hello. welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. hundreds killed in syria, including civilians. government forces and fights is loyal to us. did president

bush on our side, the west violence since the regime was toppled in december. the spiral began with a tax on government forces in a former assad stronghold with more people killed. when reinforcements moved and president offered the i'll shut off, has one, but anyone found to have killed civilians will be held accountable to a few sufficient post and will talk to you. i've talked to some job law along the mediterranean coast. the u and special invoice, petterson, has called for a strange and an end. anything that could escalate and threaten what he called a credible and inclusive political transition. so how serious is the situation come to violence? be contained and what's the threat? does it present to the new government? we'll discuss all about, but don't guess shortly. but 1st the report from wilson does out gunfire and bloodshed on the streets of series. the tax on security for members of the l white community target hundreds killed,

government security forces fighters loyal to the former regime and civilians in a country struggling to find peace. after 14 years of civil war, the violence has been described as the most serious crisis facing the new administration. since bossard on his side was ousted in december. it's centered on the mediterranean coast, a strong hold of the like minority to which the assad family blogs sent upon without hipaa for northern nevada. we will continue to pursue the remnants of the fulton regime, those who refused to continue their oppression and tyranny. those who committed crimes against the people and those who seek to undermine security and civil peace, we will bring them to see a court in embassy by the new government allowed members of the military and civil servants to remain in their jobs. but not those suspected of atrocities during the war or opponents of the new government. security. reinforcements have been deployed to the area of the this convoy. it will support our brothers in the general

security directory on the syrian coast. we left a level to support our brothers on the syrian coast. any group that operate outside the law will be dealt with with an iron fist. members of the l. o. a community fighters and their families have taken filter. it rushes him air base in the port city of the talk you the president shut uh has said any reprisals against civilians by government forces will be punished. let's say you have a simple case of and said he, then those who attack on um civilians and punish people for the crimes of others will be held accountable. people living on the coast in the conflict areas, a positive, our responsibility is duty to protect them and save them from the evils of the gangs of the fulton regime. elsewhere in syria, backers of the government and damascus held demonstrations wasting their support in their mouth. notice the government and the revolution without hearts and souls, and we call on it to strike with an on 1st. this time forgiveness has ended. the

violence has prompted international concern. you n envoy gear peterson called for immediate restraint and urged all parties to protect civilians in accordance with the international law. wilson dies ard elda 0 for inside story. well, before we bring it out, panel, let's just show you where all of this has been happening. the fighting has been taking place in the port cities of attack here on top twos on the mediterranean coast baffles of also centered around job law and cutoff the the. so let's bring it, i guess from paris were joined by marie for us via a senior advisor at the european institute of peace. she has more than a decade of experience research and conflicts in the middle east, from istanbul, but joined by i'm a cos, the executive director of the auburn center for strategic studies. he focuses on economic development and local governments and engage the on type is in southern

took you, is him couple of a professor of conflict resolution of george mason university. she's also the full, the deputy head of the syrian negotiation commission. i'm to pause in the geneva piece talks. welcome to you all my read. let's start with you. how dangerous a moment is this for syria? does it show that the new government of damascus is struggling to consolidate its grip on power? what is the test? what is happening at the moment and a lot, depends on how the government will be able to respond to this challenge. the 1st child is that there is not enough, there could be forces to cover all the country when you're traveling around australia and you don't see a check points. you see very few security forces. so that's a 1st issue to respond to the kind of a incidents that spot the volumes that have been happening this past days. and the 2nd issue is that there's a view, a need for full reconciliation efforts for vouch syria involving old apologies,

involving an old historians in the local level to come to a closer to the terrible crimes that took place during the war. and even before, under the short i said, a process of peace and reconciliation, you'd be of substance abuse and reconciliation dialogue and also a full process that can guarantee acceptability for the past times because they have intentions between different groups that suffer during the conflict. and this is also a factor in the inductor intentions and in the retardation that can happened when the finance incident breakouts. what fred does best buy? that's close to the new government in syria. and of course they the have to be announced transitional one. well, i mean, this is another challenge uh that is facing the current government and i believe it

was unexpected. one, it was, uh, it was both spunk, uh, it was not expected to happen at this moment of time. but uh, obviously the security of securing the territory, monopolizing watkins disarming. different numbers of societies that continue to have heavy weaponry, has been the number one agenda of the new government since it took office in on december 8th. since the collapse of the former regime and the liberation of syria, the number one priority has been to monopolize what comes in the hands of the state and to secure a different pockets of insecurities and functions. so it is a challenge of. ready so far it seems that things are handled correctly because um, although many violations of taking place, but as a state continues to correct and continues to a college of those mistakes,

i acknowledge that there will be accountability to anyone who violates human rights and violates the security of cdns, that should not be entangled. goodness. uh, uh, in this process. uh so far it is a charles is a security challenge. uh, but so far the insurgency or if i may quote the remnants or not. so i'm a genius or not one group. and that makes it a low risk um, challenging messages, and do agree with what you've heard so far. is this an isolated blip and serious transition to the beginning perhaps of something more problematic for the transitional government? i need to start seeing that vitamins, i've agreed to be very serious, even if one person escaped. that is one person to win. so this acts goes

against our principles and values for which we do this treat 14 years ago against the oppressed supervision. so we need to solve this problem as soon as possible. so how does this problem get? get salted at you? i just want to bring up a, something that you treated on, on x, you said what a shame or opposition colleague who was with us from the beginning of the revolution, had her brothers executed in the field. is this the morality of our revolution? you said, what's the difference between us and asset, please stop this coming immediately. we want to build a state of the we're with you and will not remain sign of what we referring to the un. what exactly did you mean? different 1st of all the i just want to hit here to make sure that none of the lights are loyalist. we have so many of i would go to each that i liked,

and there are 2 little board interested and they've been, has, has been together for all this 14 years. now there is a mistake. we believe that it started the dots from the lawyers, pushed by many outside exposures, and we need to make sure that we have a problem with the spoilers. who they don't want you to be stupid. that degenerated into much why the spread a flash is insight as of vitamins like what we did see in the last 2 days involving mixture of pretty g loyalties. ok, members from the seed in argue of course we need there is the criminal lawyer. this talks and criminal is on one side, but also we have a government, government and elements, and the student arg was innocent. people, an inhabitant of the cost, the if he has on there. on the other side, we need to be careful here, please. we need all the effort to ask me about what can we do?

we need all the efforts. and we know that it's been made at the highest level from our government in order to immediately stop the violence of this and the traitors and bring them to justice as soon as possible. also we've been in contact with both the authorities as well as the shipping society, google and religious because though they are working hard on the ground in order to cause the situations. so we need a efforts to gether to stop this. if we don't stop the sick didn't is them, and this violence, we can not have the bees we want for our celia. so we need to support our government support the civilians. and we need to work all of us in one team that gave the lawyers who are being pushed by the admin. really pushed by the spoilers from the outside, who they don't want the best for our see. and you come out,

i sort of, you nodding in agreement, the enter in president of my to i'll shut out, has yet to meet with the senior. all the lights give me just see if it gets confir rates or to other minority groups. despite plunging to run the country in an inclusive way, a political dialogue, being the key to unity. why do you think he hasn't done that? would otherwise be part of the transitional government that will be announced and coming weeks i totally a 100 percent of the with my colleague in the force. and this is a challenging time for our people. and this is a time for the leaders to come up for leadership to show in the leads in the different figures, into one source who can calm things down, who couldn't really speak to the mind, to uh, to people. and to make sure that we can get through this challenging time to another phase where all people are included. i are not aware of the, you know,

speculation and speculation or the particular issues in terms of the upcoming governments. but i certainly believe that in the a, a, an inclusive participatory governance will, uh, and that includes otherwise, of course, that includes all components, all syrians, per se, all citizens of syria to feel an equal share. and perhaps this is one of the underlying issues. and this specific attention is that there has been a feeling of a victimization of an entire community and community that has lost jobs that does not have um and joe is working in them as much as not have the aspect as supporting them. and unfortunately the because of transitional justice has not started quickly enough at least to catch the. ready perpetrators of the crimes of the past . tensions were high and you know, from both sides trenches were very high,

active out on the employment after that poverty after that. a feeling that they have not met the government, that there is no discourse or narrative that has approached different communities. you see all the way communities like many other syrians don't have a hierarchy and they're really just structure. and there's no meds, you know, religious, otherwise the council that was recently. and i one thing on social media, it's, it's, it's very difficult to to rain. but there are certainty wise men and women who are influencers, war intellectuals who lead those communities that need to be spoken to as interlocutors, as people of wisdom. and who are nationalistic or loved their country, like everybody else. and we can build a bridge is definitely, i mean, our institution and many others have conducted workshops and by laws in with

the communities. i would say all citizens of the coastal areas to make sure that we have some bridges of understanding that we know each other. we know exactly that. those communities are syrians number one and they deserve to be fully protected and fully given the opportunities of a new life. and the criminals have to be taught. and so we don't call the criminals all. ready rights, or send me or, or any other sect we call them criminals. and that's, i think that's the term that the government needs to begin using. and that's the term that we need to look at them as criminals who are using local communities as hostages. and that those, those communities are serious and they deserve a better future. so i certainly believe that only and inclusive of syria and government will be sustainable perhaps in the near future is may not, unfortunately, but i certainly hope that isn't correct itself as we move forward and that

the jobs will be provided uh, hopefully even by the private so i'm sorry, i'm sorry to go. i'm sorry to interrupt you. i'm not going up to the spring and marie, who i'm sure will want to comment on, on what she said, mary, despite ej assurances, but that they would be safety out by community in places like real homes and talked to yesterday that they've been subjected to, to violence attacks and to be able to throw a bushel i'll aside has a, as, as i'm a said that been victimized. all that concerns. violet. i mean, it's a, it's a, it's a bit mixed and also the, the situation to differentiate in the home phone in like a wizard, not the last month. and i spoke to many representatives of the city society there. and as he was saying, it's very important to us trust us, knuckle other white square, a supporters of upside and when speaking to otherwise the netflix. yeah. and they where a supportive of the new governments, the west, 40 of us, my,

the shut off the main concern was about the men who had been dismissed from the security forces. and that's part of the issue today because this man has been laid off and they don't have salaries anymore. they cannot provide resources to their families. and they are easy to hire to do anything because they need money. so that's one of the issue. the other issue is addressing the concerns of the other white population for afraid of being the of being persecuted in. that's actually when you speak to people. and when you try to didn't do this here. it's mostly like anticipation and, and rumors the here on social media because that's another problems. there are no reliable media and started on right now. so people on social media with rumors and these information spread. but their fuel was not realized until this recent days. and there were not many attacks in halls in the center of the country. that's the difference. the sectarian pensions are very high, and crimes are happening,

a routine lead targeting values groups of the, of the population. and so that's very important to address this information. rumors to creating and again, to start into a community dialogue, to ease tensions between different groups, the head of the invoice. as he's alarmed by the violence you officials are called for restraint. a peaceful resolution. iran says that it's concerned about syria's vote a tile security situation. the gulf cooperation council has condemned the violence which attained it says at the stabilizing serial. what role is that for the international community now in stopping this one is, or is it an internal syrian mass that is the international community less interested in syria? now that's a science has gone, have geo political factors shifted to such an extent that syria is being left to sort itself out. yes,

it says i just want to ensure that older brother and sister in the course. the area like everywhere is an important component of the student population and so we don't want to exclude them at all. step back to us as the international community, i knew their own very concerned, especially the national community care about shit. and they don't want to have a security and insights is yeah, i think now the most important things for our government to give that they'd like to be given the big line to get onto the former i said elements to get updated arms . and so then we can not, you was they can not just use that in this, in population as a human, she'd like hiking them hiding in the, with the cost is down and villages it is an acceptable and do the results in high goal of collab children that mission and then you guys have to, we need to go to and for and me confirm that there is lots okayed speech on the

social media. this is betty damaging for our peace and b building effort. they can not, we need to stop immediately. the page speech and we ask this boilers to stop playing with the lights of seeded people and the really getting on the i used to for the beginning as well as vitamins and what's required to date is that wisdom is stopping the blood should. and this is what we can do with the help of the nation community. i don't think everyone in board accounts have been with the maximum punishment, but according to the system and glue, we did start digital pollution. we have values, we have ethics, and we need to continue all those lawyer. at least we know that they want the destruction of our cdm and we need to have the wisdom and not to be like them. we are pollution of the syrian people and we need to keep to take

the other syrians. it is important now to use that wisdom. and i think yesterday the speech of our president was very clear. and hopefully to the day the motor we're getting back also to where we want we want peace, we want a security for everybody. and we want to keep the, we know that every one to the we should, the pain, we have the pain and with fatigues for more. so please, everyone from the international community should help us and support us in this effort. we cannot leave the sporting, there's destroying ocean. what about russia and israel, a number of people, including former members of the, the asset, the outside government, salt shelter, of the russian advice. and let's talk here, what will russia want to get involved in keeping the paste and this and this coastal region around that space is what, what we're rushes,

a role in the country be going forward. and a israel also has forces in the country cultural rates or international law. is there any likelihood of israel getting more involved at this finance isn't contained. i mean i, i think a one of the main reserves. ready because of what's happening or those wire uh either. ready or as, or they like and enjoy and center wise. such events unfortunately is right. and you're on and for the broad to say anything is very hypocritical of themselves. but what we are telling what we're facing is syria today is the increased incursion, an occupation by these really forces to the south. but as well as their intervention in, in uh, domestic politics um, in supporting the allegedly supporting tools or otherwise, or curves. any of that, i think the only guarantor for serious debility is a strong. ready weight of that includes everyone without the intervention of

regional actors, i think is really that has a lot in terms of its intervention, a lot of influence and us and uh may use in our hands. i mean, god knows, but at least the indicators and from their own statements that they are saying that they will intervene to protect them is it proves that they, they have a lot of states and this. so the yes i mean is really, is a main challenge and syria is week today is able to respond and we always seek out our friends of in the diplomatic communities to at least uh, ask uh and requests of israel to stream and to uh, to back off and to, to stay away from spoiling uh, local uh, stability because this costs lives. okay. this is not a joke is not something to meddle with. uh it once it starts, it spirals and uh its on. ready and it does, it has reached as far,

but it still contained a bullet and still uh, we can still make sure that it goes in the right direction. i'm sorry to cut you short, but the time is against us. money, of course, as a disappear. but as people didn't always have seeing now what we saw in iraq with the countries a wash with weapons and with people who know how to use the what, what, what are the challenges here going forward a well, 1st of all, to gather all the weapons, collect them and make sure that the weapons are under me under the control of the states. that's the 1st thing. the 2nd thing is, and sure that these men who have been mobilized, either go back to the city of society, or if they meet the trust old can be integrated into new forces, the new army for the country so that they'll not get it for hired. so i can say and shoot you a violent incidents. that's the 1st. and the 2nd thing is that all of why it's clear against us uh,

should be empowered and should be part of these into the new govern menu. a sorry cheese the local authorities at the local level and should be thoughts of the, of the forces that reveals the countries and a 3rd accountability efforts for the events that took place this past days. all the perpetrators from all side to be the comfortable for uh, cheating civilians. and there should be a transferring process for accountability and justice. it should be clear to people how people had been held accountable under which criteria the names and everything . so that they can get everyone the feeling of justice and we've got about a minute and a half left. i'll give the final word to you, you've, you've said it several times during the program but, but what would be your message now to the, the otherwise i'm not all the white communities in the coastal regions and to the world anxious. the looking on

a after this interruption of violence. this is my son due to the civil society of celia. they've been for a few days, they didn't sleep, been working on shipping a piece and they've been sending the goods message that otherwise are not our enemies. they are part of our society and especially the of positions. the cbs are civilians. and now this is the time to make sure that civil society partnership with the government working together. we need to have one army. you have one government and we need to, we can not at a 4 any, a separate drew's should be with us. because of that, that goes with be with us. celia is not either. syria is not like any other country . we've been always to gather muslim christian. i know what everybody. so we can not. this is o d n a. let's keep it together. we need to be strong. we need to be together. we need

to start with the transition of justice immediately, which i would government is talking about. it's all the time. this is the time wisdom, wisdom, wisdom. we need to be together to stop the security and isn't in our country. and that's why we must end the discussion today. thanks to you all memory for us, the. i'm a cough and hen couple of us. i'm thank you for watching. you can see the program again at any time by go into the websites and i'll just come for further discussion . join us on our facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash h a inside story. and you can during the conversation on the x, i'll handle that or at asia inside story for me, adrian said again to the team here, thanks for being with us. we'll see you again, bye for now the, the ceiling. the facts, as the cool ones are weather continues,

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