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this is bbc america. live from london, bbc world news. bbc world news with continuing coverage of the trial of oscar pistorius in south africa. >> it wasn't my use. it wasn't my understanding of the law. i understand the charge, but my understanding of the law is if i have ammunition i can place it in my safekeeping. it doesn't have to be in a safe. >> you're confusing two issues. if you possess ammunition you
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can put it in the safe. you are in charge of the safe. you can put your ammunition there. that's what you understand? am i right? >> that's what i understand. >> now you're keeping. or possessing your father's ammunition. >> iñi said the ammunition was never for my purpose. it was kept in the safe. many people have access to the safe. >> you just reminded me. you kept a magazine in your bedside drawer. >> that's correct my lady. >> is that your understanding of the law if you leave the house you can have a magazine in the bedside drawer? >> no, it's not my lady. >> why did you do it? >> for my safety my lady. >> let us get to the facts.
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you kept your magazine in your bedside table at all times when you were there or not? >> that's correct my lady. >> and you had saves in your house you could put your ammunition in? >> that's correct my lady. >> now at least you'll agree with me that's illegal and that it is negligent. >> my lady, i don't know if this is related to the charge i'm charged with. >> onñr tod the question. do you agree with me it's illegal to keep ammunition in your bedside drawer? >> when i was not at home i put the ammunition in the safe. i was at home when i got
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arrested. >> are you telling me you took that ammunition and put it in the safe every night? >> yes, my lady. i didn't say every night. i said when i wasn't at home, it was in the safe. >> okay. i want to understand this. you see mr. pistorius, i have to warn you. it has implications so that you're not surprised. you tell me that if you're not at home you take the magazine and put it in the safe? >> at times my lady. i kept that extra magazine -- at times i carry had the extra magazine with me. at times i put it in the bedside table. if i went away, i would lock it in the safe. >> there we have it. at least -- if it's not many my person, i would lock it in the safe if not at home.
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am i right? >> if that's correct my lady. >> i would not leave it in my bedside table. >> i'm sure there was a couple of occasions i forgot to lock it away. i can't stand here and lie. there would have been occasions. this isn't related to the charge. >> i'm dealing with your negligence as a firearm owner. that's what i'm dealing with. so on the day of the incident, you had it in your possession the whole day? >> i don't remember if i i had the magazine in my possession. i think i left it at home that day my lady. >> in the safe. >> no in the bedside table where it was found. >> why would you do that. you said i always have it in my possessi possession. >> i said at times i forgot to put it in the safe. >> unlucky for you this is one
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of the occasions. >> that's correct my lady. it was one of the occasions and unfortunate. i understand it's against the law. i kept it there. times i forgot. >> if i tell you it's against the law to keep your father's a m munition you don't agree with that? >> if it's against the law you plead guilty? >> that's not what i said. >> if it's against the law, would you plead guilty? >> i'll have to discuss with my council. i'm asking you. if i tell you it's illegal you accept it's illegal. if i tell you that you had ammunition, would you at least tell the courts that you're guilty. >> i think mr. lady both of us know it's not that simple. the law is different in regards of being guilty and not guilty on basis of why the ammunition
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was kept. the ammunition was in my safe. i placed it there by me. i can't say i change my plea. >> i see. this is the second time today. first we have discharge of a gun you wouldn't accept is. here when i tell you it's illegal, you wouldn't accept. at least we know sometimes you're negligent as far as your other magazine is concerned. >> that's correct my lady. >> so when bail implication that ammunition belonged to your father. did you try to make contact with your father concerning that? >> no, my lady. >> did anyone else? >> no.
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>> why not? >> my lady, until after my bail, i was in the prison cell. for weeks afterwards i slept. i didn't see anyone. i stayed in my room. i didn't converse with anyone. i didn't socialize. i don't know what happened. i wouldn't know if somebody did or didn't on that grounds or any other grounds. limited to people around me. on the occasion i'd speak to my lawyer. on occasions somebody would visit me. i didn't have much communication. i didn't have my phones. the state had my phones. i didn't have numbers. i didn't converse with many people. >> are you done? >> i am my lady. >> okay. has anybody, brother, sister, uncle, anybody tell you that
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your father did not sign a statement to confirm it was his ammunition? >> no, my lady. the understanding i had act the ammunition is that the police gave the ammunition to my brother when they came to open the safe at the house. they told them to take the ammunition along with other items. they didn't take register of items when they left the house. he said we're not taking -- he said doesn't bother him. they were to recall the ammunition. that's all i know about the interaction between the ammunition and mr. ald ridge, my family, uncles. that's all i know about that.
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can you look in front of you, exhibit jj? do you have that? >> i do my lady.
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>> unfortunately i don't think it's -- if you turn to competency level exam, oscar pistorius -- 1. top right hand corner, 14. a 103-14. do you have that? >> i do my lady. >> if we go to 17. do you have that? >> i do. question 17 no person may possess ammunition unless he or she has a dealer's license,
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license for a firearm of that caliber, has a permit for ammunition. you had none of those. >> my lady, there's a list of three. there's many others i ask you to list. >> what are the others? >> i don't know the others. these are in my recollection this was an open book test. >> none of those three you had? >> no, none of the three i had but -- >> most important is the second one. do you agree with me as far as that's concerned? >> that's correct. i didn't have license for firearm or purpose for that ammunition. >> now we've dealt with that. let us carry on with -- we'll carry on with the trip and
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discharging of firearm counts. now you were going to a function with mr. fresco and samantha taylor. is that correct? >> amongst others, that is correct. >> what was your occasion? >> i don't remember a specific occasion my lady. we were going out -- going for a get together with some friends. >> and you left at what time about? >> i have no idea my lady. >> and when you got to the ball, what was happening there? >> i don't remember much about the day my lady. i remember we were met by -- we drove down and we were met by
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the friends there. there was a group of about ten people, more or less ten people. i don't remember if we ate or went out to the water. i remember we were on the water. we wake boarded a bit. at a point in the afternoon we had to return. >> after you did all that on the water and so forth, where was your gun? >> my firearm was on me, my lady. >> say it again? >> my firearm was on me my lady. >> you took it on the water? >> i said we wake boarded my lady. i can't wake board. >> you take it on the boat? >> that's correct. >> on the boat you took your gun with you? >> that's correct my lady. >> why? >> why did i take my firearm? >> yeah, why did you take your gun to a party?
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>> it wasn't a party. it was a get together. my firearm was on me. >> i'll rephrase and ask the question. why would you take a firearm to a get together? >> i carried my firearm wherever i was. any choice would be to leave it in the car. at a point when i was on the boat i put it in. i didn't want to leaf it at the house where there was there so i took it with me. >> and you kept it on your person during the day? except for one brief -- now when you put it on the boat? >> yes it was on the boat. i jumped into the water. i put the firearm in the towel. i jumped into the water.
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that was -- >> you don't think that's negligent? a loaded firearm on the boat on a towel while you were swimming? >> i usually carried it. i left my firearm on the towel. we were close people friends on the boat. it was in the middle of the water. i i got into the water. >> i'm asking you just a question. doesn't matter who was on the boat. are you telling this court it wasn't negligent of you to leave your gun in the boat in a towel while you swam? >> i didn't see it as being negligent. >> why would you leave it unattended? >> there was no one there i thought would -- no one that would handle my firearm. i was next to the boat in the water. i didn't see it was being negligent my lady. >> you see again mr. pistorius,
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it's the strangest day today. you don't take responsibility for anything. you don't do anything wrong. you know any gun owner would say it's wrong. why won't you say it's wrong to do that? you're incapable of using those words as far as yourself is concerned? >> i understand my lady it's seen as negligent then i was wrong my lady. >> okay. good. so in this instance you would at least agree that it was negligent? >> yes, my lady. >> i see. good. now your friends -- i take it that in taking a swim you had shorts on, a costume or
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something like that? >> i probably had shorts on my lady. >> so in carrying you're gun, having shorts on, your gun must have been visible? >> i've got a holster with a clip so you can clip holster on any pair of trousers, pants, shorts. >> so you didn't? >> i don't remember. i can't recall. that's small details more than two years ago. >> see, i want to know. i want you to remember. you at the -- almost said party -- at the get together. you're on a boat. where's your gun? >> i don't remember my lady. >> you must remember. it's in a holster clipped to my shorts. where else could it be? >> i don't know. >> that's not an answer. that's not an answer. you had shorts on, a shirt on.
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is that right? >> i don't know my lady if i had a shirt on. >> i had shorts on without a shirt. where would your firearm have been? >> i don't know if i had a shirt on. shorts on without a shirt. i can't make up a story and say where my firearm would have been. >> no. let's say both. if you did not have a shirt on, where would your firearm have been? >> concealed in my holster on my person my lady. >> where would your person be on your shorts? >> i don't understand that question. >> where would you put it? on your shorts? that's an easy question. >> i understand it would have been on my person. clipped to my shorts. >> so anybody would see a mr. oscar pistorius is on a boat at the get together, armed, gun on the side. >> that's not what i said my
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lady. >> i said you can conceal your firearm. that's not what i said. >> you can't conceal a firearm in shorts without a shirt so nobody can see it. >> i'm not saying i wasn't wearing a shirt. i don't remember. >> i'm asking you. i wasn't there. it's your version. you told the court, i took my gun to the get together on a boat. i'm asking you what did you do? you have to answer. >> i had my firearm with me. i was in the water a couple of minutes. that's what i remember. >> when you were in the watnot water, where was the gun? >> on my person in the holster on my shorts. >> visible? there's no way someone can miss the gun in a holster at your side? >> my lady i have a holster that covers the firearm. you can put it in around pants.
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if i had a shirt on, it wouldn't have been individuavisible. i can't comment. i don't remember. i don't remember on the water with my firearm. i remember at a time it was in a towel. that's all i can remember. i can't say if i had a shirt, didn't have a shirt, visible, not visible. >> now at least one thing you can remember is at the get together, mr. oscar pistorius was armed at all times. >> i'm usually armed. i keep my firearm on me. >> did you have your gun with you? >> yes, did. >> the day the gun went off miraculously you had your own gun with you?
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>> that's correct my lady. >> i see. you carry your gun everywhere? >> that's correct. >> why? >> for my safety my lady. >> now then you left the get together? >> that's correct my lady. >> you sitting on the passenger side. where's your gun? >> on my hip in the holster my lady. and the major stopped you? >> they stopped us on two occasions my lady. >> on the occasion you got out, what did you do with your gun? >> left it on the car seat my lady and closed the door. >> and that was the correct
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thing to do? >> at the time i didn't want to get out of the vehicle and approach a group of policemen who were agitated with the firearm on me. it wasn't the correct thing to do. i shouldn't have taken it off my person and left it in the car. >> shouldn't have taken it off and left it in the car, do you agree with that? >> i agree with that. >> okay. now, when the policemen found your firearm, how did you realize you had your gun, what happened? >> as i said, he said something to the effect who's firearm is this? i walked to him and said this is mine. he asked if i was a licensed firearm holder, and i said yes. >> it's always easy to be wise
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after event. that officer was in his right to confiscate that gun because the owner left it on the car seat. am i right? >> that is right. i don't know what the rights are. then yes i guess entitled to do so. >> what do you think a policeman's duty is to do with a gun left unattended? >> to investigate, find out who's firearm it is my lady. >> if he finds the person left it there unattended what should he do? i don't know my lady. >> what do you think? >> i'm not sure. >> what do you think? >> i inquire as to why it was left unattended maybe my lady. >> and then? he was in his right to deal with your firearm. >> that's correct mela my lady. >> what happened then? >> he ejected the round from the chamber, threw the firearm onto
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the front seat of the vehicle. >> which means the firearm was up? >> that's correct. >> you carry had the gun on the boat and at the function one up? >> i think that would be correct in doing so. >> did you change it on route -- >> i think that would be correct. i don't remember. if that's what the policeman did, that makes sense it's one up. i don't think i would have changed the position of the firearm on that day. >> why can't you remember? >> i can't remember if the firearm was one up on the boat. if you're telling me late in the day -- if i say the police officer ejected the round from the chamber, it must have been one up. i'm not disputing that. >> i'm not saying that. you're saying that. i haven't said the policeman did that. you said it, am i right? >> if i'm mistaken, i'm mistaken. my firearm was one up.
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it must have been when i was at the water. >> you said he dropped the magazine, the policeman. did he? >> early on, i did say that my lady. >> and he then pulled the side back and a round fell out? >> that's correct. >> that's your version. >> that's correct. >> the only inference one can draw it was one up? otherwise that would not have happened. >> that's what i said. >> if i hadn't changed it, you would have had it one up on the boat? >> that's correct. >> is the policeman able to do that the way you carried your gun. you would have had to disengage the safe. >> that's correct. >> you had it on safety in terms of what you tell the court. >> correct. >> when that happened, what did you do? >> he was busy handing my firearm.
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i said to him -- i asked would he please pass it to me. at which point he threw it on the chair. he made a comment about -- said to me something to the effect, do you know what i can do with this firearm? i ignored him and starting putting the magazine back in the firearm. i started trying to look for the round i had seen fall under the chair. at this point he had started walking away and lit a cigarette. i couldn't find the round at this point. another police officer came over talking to mr. fresco. he started helping us look for the round. he called his fellow officer back to come and look for the round. >> i don't have your words, but you said at least some unpleasantry between you and the first policeman? >> that's correct. i was agitated. >> agitated. why?
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>> well i was agitated he dropped the magazine on the chair. that he threw the gun down, that a bullet went under the seat. i think if he dealt in a more professional man area, i would have been far more understanding. i had to climb down and look for a round that fell down under the seat. about him making the comment he could do with the firearm, i thought he was aggressive. >> what did you think he said? >> something to the effect of, do you know what i can do with this firearm? >> what do you think he's saying? >> he's saying it to me in a violent manner. >> you thought he wanted to shoot you? >> that's not what i'm saying. >> what then? one of two things. you know what i can do with a
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gun. what do you think he said? >> i don't know. i didn't take interpretation. you challenge a policeman. he did say it in a violent manner. >> what do you think he was saying in a violent manner? what do you think he was saying? >> i didn't interpret it. i was agitated, ignored him and started looking for the round under the seat. >> why were you agitated when he said, do you know what i can do with the gun? >> he disa abled the gun in the car. dropped the magazine. could have damaged the vehicle. i didn't think it was dealt with in a correct manner. if he confiscated my firearm, i would have understand if he did it in a professional manner, in a courteous way, investigated it, asked to see my license. i would have understood and complied. he didn't do that my lady. >> that's why you were upset? >> yes,s that why i was upset. >> i want to get to something
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else. we'll get back. so, you then left that particular spot that's now dealt with mr. fresco. i take it you were still agitated with the policeman? >> i sat in the car before we left. i put -- after the police officer got the radio to put the bullet back. i put it back in the magazine and put the magazine back in the firearm. i placed the firearm back on myself. i sat in the car and waited for him to finish with mr. fresco. they spoke several minutes. by the time we left, we left. >> now do you know mr. bear? >> i do know mr. >> he's the man that assisted you. >> that's correct. >> did you go to his house that day? >> i don't remember.
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>> did you take photographs with his daughter? you're watching special coverage from pretoria where pistorius is examined by the cross examiner. he's been attacking his character, painting a picture of a man that bullied his girl friend. bbc world news. the main headlines. oscar pistorius asked about his relationship with reeva steenkamp. the cross-examination has been attacking his character. he says he was insin sooer in his apology. the third day of polg in india's staggering lerks. more than 100 million vote in 14 states including deli and
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pradesh. the search for the flight is narrowing. investigators are scouring the smallest area to date after four aft acoustic signals were heard this week. governments including britain's stock pile of the drug tamiflu amid concerns over the spread of bird flu. so we can now go back to pretoria where oscar pistorius is questioned about the chief prosecutor. we saw him a moment ago. >> i don't remember even now where the place was where i met mr. bear. >> do you criticize her for not knowing but you don't know? >> the question was put to me
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from mrs. taylor knowing mr. bear. it was possible we had all been to his house. i don't know if i've ever been to his house. >> do you know if his residential place is where you met him? >> i don't recall. >> there was a time you met mr. bear is that right? >> that's right. >> you don't remember the location? >> no my lady. i had just driven there. i don't remember. >> we can't argue of side didn't remember because she was never driving. >> samantha. i apologize. samantha taylor. can we criticize her for not knowing? >> i don't believe mrs. taylor was with me. you'd have to look at the context. if she comes up here and says she went to a place in the
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river. you'd have to criticize it in the sense i don't believe she was there so whether she was knew it or didn't know it, it's of no relevance if she was there. >> that's not the question. let's say she was at mr. bear's place once with you. you can't criticize her for not knowing where it was at. that's all i'm asking you. >> if that was the case. >> how did you know you met -- on whichever date, you met mr. bear at the residential place or met someone at the residential place about guns? >> i have no idea my lady. >> yeah. if -- yeah. she said you met somebody to sign gun papers. that's what she thought. >> i know miss taylor was with me on another occasion when i signed papers obtaining to a
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firearm when i was with mr. ren. i know she was with me there. we discussed things. we were in a relationship. i told her where i was on many occasions. i don't know my lady. >> you do. you're giving me opportunity to ask. are you saying she's making it up? >> yes, my lady. >> she's lying? >> she lied in her statements and lied when she was up here my lady. >> about being with you at somebody's house that day? >> all i'm saying is i can't remember anybody being with me. i don't remember -- i remember meeting to sign papers in a residential area. i can't recall in which residential area it was. i think it was in october two years -- a year and a half ago. >> do you think that's significant -- if there's any
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indication you were at will mr. bear's, you can't deny because you can't remember? >> that's correct. >> she says she went to a residential place to sign gun papers. she is just making it up? >> i don't know if she made that up. i don't remember miss taylor accompanying me to meet mr. bear. if that's what she says, i can't say she's lying on that fact. i can't remember anyone accompanying me to see mr. bear. >> she's not the only one making it up. it must also be mr. fresco making it up. >> i didn't say she made it up. i said i can't remember this. >> okay. then the two, mr. fresco and miss taylor remembers going to a residential place with you to sign gun papers. >> my lady, if you look at the
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evidence of miss taylor and mr. fresco that's what they both say. they don't agree upon the charge, how it happened, where it happened, why it happened. so if they say they were there with me on a day when this happened, i can't definitely say they were not with me. i can't say i was there in september. if there's evidence that shows it, i can say if that's what it was then i was there. i don't remember. it's not an event i remember. i don't remember signing the papers. i don't remember who's house it was. i remember i had to meet mr. bear. that's all i can remember. >> but you see, i've now let you -- i would like to use as an argument. you're arguing the case as if -- as the council. i can't remember. have you seen their statements? you're making arguments.
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>> i have seen miss taylor's statement and mr. fresco's statement. >> and you heard them testify they both said they went with you on that day to a residential place where you signed gun papers? >> that's correct. >> you don't know, you can't rememb remember. if two of them can, they must be correct. >> i don't remember my lady. >> that's not the question. >> if that's what they said. i can't remember. >> let's argue. if three people, two know they were there and one doesn't, we'll pick the two? >> i don't want to argue my lady. >> i'm so glad to remember that answer. i'll use it in the future. i'm putting it to you. you are not willing to con seed anything? oscar pistorius will not take responsibility for anything. that's what you're doing to your
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own evidence. >> is that a question? >> that's a question. are you? >> no, my lady. i con sooeded several occasions. i can't say if i don't have recollection of that event. >> both said you fired through the sunroof. that's a lie? >> that's a lie. >> they independently told a lie? >> they took the stand a and had different stories how it happened, the recollection. that was fabricated and not the truth. >> it's a bad fabrication because they never spoke to each other it seems. for different reasons it happened, why and where it happened. terrible fabrication between the two of them. >> my lady they've been in
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contact. although they said they haven't spoke ton each other, they have been in contact with each other. they've been seen at same events. i don't know what the connection would be between miss taylor and mr. fresco. they met between me. all i know they've kept communication open before then. >> now again, we have to blame your legal team. when they said they're having communication, you never challenged them on that. >> i don't remember if mr. roux challenged -- >> he didn't. take it from me. he'll jump up if i say something wrong. >> i'm saying what i heard. i'm not saying mr. roux -- what i heard is that they've had communication with each other. that's all i can -- >> you're the person that
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volunteered to -- that day they said they didn't have communication but they had. let me rephrase. you're the one that said in evidence they said they didn't have communication. am i right? >> that's correct. >> you know they had communication? >> i beg your pardon? >> you know they had communication? >> i said i heard. >> you heard? >> that is correct. >> that wasn't that important. >> i heard past of evidence of them having communication. >> who told you? >> i don't remember my lady. >> i apologize for laughing. i don't do it again. i was surprised by the answer. i apologize. >> i hope it doesn't happen
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again. i apologize. it won't. >> i also want to say something to people out there. you possibly think this is entertainment. it is not. so please retrain yourselves. >> is that the gallery? >> the gallery. >> yeah. thank you. >> so you tell me that somebody since they gave evidence gave you this information and you cannot tell the court who that person was? >> i don't recall. i speak to many people? the afternoon after -- >> because that's not true. is that the only reason you can't remember because it's not true? you would remember who gave you that information. >> my lady, was that a question?
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>> yes. that's because it's untrue. >> that's incorrect amy lady. >> if somebody said i had that gun in my car between my legs, that person would be lying. if someone would say mr. pistorius had his gun in his car between his legs, that would have lying? >> that's is correct. mr. fresco testified to that and that was not the truth. >> and nobody challenged? >> i can't remember if anybody challenged. i didn't discuss -- when i discussed this charge with my council, i didn't discuss things that didn't happened. i couldn't have said to them i can foresee what mr. fresco is going to say on the stand and tell them he must say i had my gun between my legs when that didn't happen. i didn't challenge it. my faith is in them my lady.
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i can't say why or why not they didn't challenge it my lady. >> now, we've got 15 minutes before lunch. i want to deal with something. i don't want to get you confu confused. early morning of the 14th of february, in the bathroom you're firing shots. how many shots did you fire? >> i fired four shots my lady. >> in what sequence? how did you -- two double taps or -- >> no, just in quick succession. >> in quick succession. you know that for a fact? >> that's correct my lady. >> because you can remember it? >> that's correct. >> it's not a reconstruction. >> no, my lady.
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>> and it was definitely not two double taps? >> that's correct my lady. >> why would mr. roux think and put you fired two double taps. >> i'm not sure my lady. in the first break i corrected him. i said to him it wasn't a double tap. >> but before we go to you correcting him, why would he say that? >> i'm not sure my lady. >> it's impossible. mr. roux will not say something. forget correction. mr. roux will not put something to a witness that's not your version. why would he say two double taps? >> my lady my only explanation is when we spoke about training and firearm training, you learn
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to fire two shots which is a double tap. it's called a double tap. i think maybe mr. roux put that to mr. -- i can't say why he did. i corrected him immediately at the break. that's all. >> you see, you went further. you said it's your version that you fired two double taps. it wasn't that, is it possible -- he put it as a version. >> he has answered. he can't say. all he knows is he corrected mr. roux. >> may i ask a follow up question? the only reason we do that is if you told him. >> that's incorrect. i didn't say that. i didn't tell mr. roux i fired a double tap at any point. >> now, but you know it was in
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quick succession? >> yes. >> how do you know that? >> because that's what i remember. >> how do you remember that? >> i don't really understand how i'm going to explain how i remember something. >> well at that point we have lost the sound from oscar pistorius trial in pretoria. you can see there how the chief prosecutor keeps pressing oscar pistorius about the credibility of all he has been saying including how he uses his gun, where he keeps his gun, where he keeps ammunition as well. and the kind of way in which he handles the weaponry that he has which was essentially a pistol. that are pressure is on from
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nel. you can see there it is relentless pressure trying to test oscar pistorius on what he said and oscar pistorius remaining measured in all replies and even challenging the chief prosecutor. back to the coverage. >> at page 1. before i knew it, i fired shots at door. my ears were ringing. >> that's correct my lady. >> is that a reconstruction? >> it's taking count into the fact. there were four shots. i don't remember specifically firing four shots. i remember firing in quick succession. i did fire them. when describing the manner, i fired in quick succession. do i remember firing four shots?
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no, i don't. >> at the door? >> correct at the door my lady. >> do you remember firing at door? >> yes, i remember firing at door. >> yesterday when we ended you said you don't, you can't remember. >> that's incorrect. yesterday when put to me if i fired at door, if i remember firing at door, i said yes, i remember firing at door. at the time i fired the pistol was fired at the door. when i heard the noise, i fired the pistol. i remember firing at the door. i've never said i don't remember firing at door. >> let me give it. where you're sitting now in evidence, i remember firing four shots at door? >> that's correct my lady. >> because you remember aiming at the door?
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>> i remember pulling the trigger, and the rounds going into the door, my lady. >> okay. i unfortunately have -- i remember pulling the trigger and rounds going into the door. >> that's correct my lady. >> how do you remember the rounds going into the door? >> i don't understand the question. >> did you hear them go into the door? did you see them go into the door. >> that's where the firearm was pointed my lady. that's my remembrance . i saw them going into the door. that's where i fired. >> so the -- now we can go back to where we started yesterday. you fired -- did you fire deliberately? >> no, my lady i did not fire
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deliberately. >> you're still going with accidently? >> i'm still with the fact that i fired the gun out of fear. that at the time i didn't interpret somebody coming out of the bathroom. i'm not trying to argue. i'm saying i didn't mean to pull the trigger. in that sense it was an accident. >> i just want to ask not to again get this confused. i never meant to pull the trigger. >> that's correct my lady. >> so you never wanted to shoot at intruders coming out of the bathroom? >> i didn't have time to think about it my lady. i didn't want to -- i wouldn't have wanted to take or shoot at someone. >> no. answer the question.
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you never deliberately pulled the trigger. so you never wanted to shoot at robbers, intruders, coming out of the toilet? >> that's correct my lady. >> so whatever happened in that bathroom, noises, whatever happened never caused you to pull the trigger. it went off accidentally? >> it's the opposite of what i'm saying my lady. >> no, it's not. no, it's not. >> what i said the noise coming from the bathroom made me pull the trigger from the toilet. that's not what is putting to me. >> you can't remember pulling the trigger can you? >> i can remember pulling the trigger. >> but you didn't aim it? >> the firearm was aimed at door at the time. >> did you wanted to shoot the people other coming out of the door or not? >> i didn't have time to think about if i wanted to or didn't
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want to. i heard a noise coming from inside the toilet and discharged the firearm. >> so, you never wanted to shoot the intrudeers coming out of the door. >> >> that's correct. >> we know there were in there. we know reeva was in there. >> that's correct. >> so there was no reason for you to shoot. you had no reason to shoot. >> that's correct my lady. >> if you waited a second to see if the door would open, you would not have fired? >> that's a possibility. >> she was in there. we know now. she was in there. if you waited, you would not have fired? am i right? >> i'm not sure about a second my lady. if reeva had come out or spoken
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to me or then i wouldn't have fired. >> we know for a fact that there were no intruders in your house that night. >> that's correct my lady. >> we know there was no ladder against the wall. >> that's correct. >> we know for a fact it was reeva in the toilet. >> that's correct. >> we know for a fact she wasn't -- >> that's correct. >> we know you had no reason to shoot objectively? >> that's correct my lady. >> now, it's not your version that you aimed at the door because you thought the robbers were coming out. you had to protect yourself. >> it is my version.
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that's what i said. i thought the robbers were either in the toilet, intruders in the toilet, or they were on the ladder. my firearm i said was pointed at toilet. my eyes were between the toilet and window. >> why did you fire? i heard a noise coming from inside the toilet i interpreted at that split moment as somebody coming out to attack me my lady. >> luckily it's all on record sir. when you heard that, you just started shooting or accidentally your fingers pulled the trigger? >> i started shooting at that point. >> at the intruder? >> at the door my lady. >> but in your mind at the intruder. >> what i perceived as the attacker coming after me. >> it wasn't accidentally? >> i'm getting confused with
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accidentally and not accidentally. when i say it accident or not. i've said time and time again what i perceive skd and what i thought. i don't understand. it was put to me yesterday it was by accident and put to me wasn't by accident. i'm saying i didn't intend to shoot. my firearm was pointed at door. i believed somebody was. when i heard a noise i didn't have time to think. i fired my weapon. it was an accident. >> my lady, would this be an opportunity five to one to take adjournment, lunch adjournment now? >> we will be back at 2:00.
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so there you have the court in pretoria south africa adjourning for a one hour lunch break with oscar pistorius on the stand last three and a half hours being put under relentless pressure being cross examined by him over the death of his girlfriend reeva steenkamp. he's questions oscar's character. he painted a picture of him as a man that bullied his girlfriend. text messages between the couple has been examined as the incident in the restaurant. the athlete claims he did not kill her intentionally. he was not aware the gun he was holding was loaded but insisted he had not pulled the trigger. he was put under intensz
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pressure by nel, the prosecutor. you fire had the gun, there's no other way that bullet would have been discharged without you pulling the trigger. quote, you are lying. oscar pistorius, i respect mr. nel's comment my lady but i did not pull the trigger on the firearm. you're watching bbc news. stay with us. nature lover... people person. ♪ and you put up with it all... because he also booked you a room... at this place. planet earth's number one accomodation site: booking.com booking.yeah!
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