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there the airline's black box. while being interviewed about street crime, this woman is mugged in daylight on camera. hello everyone. drama in the murder trial of oscar pistorius in pretoria. there was a brief adjournment. the trial is resuming. let's go to karen joining me from outside. what's happened? >> reporter: oscar pistorius became upset before you came to us. the court adjourned for a short break. what i can see now, the court is once again in session. we can go to that now and listen

in straight away. are you ready? may you proceed? >> thank you my lady. >> one minute. mr. pistorius, let us just get it on and take you up with your last answer. that is that you have a memory, good memory of what happened until the time you fired the shot. >> that's correct, my lady. >> your memory is not that good.

>> that's correct my lady. >> the -- when you -- when you got your gun, you had to at least bend down and get it from beneath the bed. >> my lady, i was on my stumps. i was making my way to the bed as quick as i could. i was using my hands and legs. the gun was next to the pedestal. i had to bend down. i was looking back towards the passage. >> now, you're looking back at

the passage, and you now -- when you got your gun, what did you do? >> i turned around and asked reeva to get down and phone the police. i made my way as quickly as i could to the walle of the bedroom is to the entrance to the closet. >> your intention was to? >> my intention was towards the closet. >> what was your intention when you made your way there? >> my intention was to put myself between the harm -- put myself between reeva and what a thought the people were my lady which was in the bathroom. >> see, on your version mr. pistorius, if you cared about reeva, you would have made sure that she hears you, that she's there. you didn't. >> i was sure she was there my lady.

i had spoken to her shortly before when i got out of bed. just before i got out of bed she spoke to me. at that time i thought she was in the bed. >> that's why you changed 115. >> i don't know what 115 is. >> that's why in your plea explanation you said you spoke there. but not verification is that right? >> that's correct. >> why did you not say that in the -- >> i'm not sure my lady. explain. >> you wanted the court to understand you knew she was on the bed. you invented a discussion with her. >> i didn't invent the discussion with her my lady. >> can during your bail implication, you did nothing we believe to invent a discussion.

isn't that? >> i didn't invent any discussion with my bail or now my lady. >> you see mr. pistorius, the nature of the discussion before you got up is such that at least you thought she was a wake. >> i thought she was a wake and i thought she was next to me my lady. i knew she was next to me. >> i don't understand why you wouldn't make sure that reeva is fine before you storm off. >> i'm not sure my lady. i was in a panic. my thought was to get before danger and reeva as quick as i could. >> it's because it's not the truth mr. pistorius. that's why it's difficult to explain why you did not see if

she was fine. isn't that so? >> that's incorrect my lady. >> you see this matter, we had two couples give evidence. there's evidence that the first thing that happened is they spoke to each other. did you hear that? what was that? the same with the johnson's. when something happened, they conversed. you didn't? >> i didn't my lady. >> why? >> i was not next to reeva. i didn't believe i needed to confirm what i heard. >> you were right next to her. you were next to her in a situation of danger but did not take the time to talk to reeva? >> i was not right next to her when i heard the window open. i was on the other side of the bedroom. >> following then, when you got your gun, you were right next to

her if she was on the bed. >> i would have been next to her then my lady. at that point i was overcome by fear wondering if the person was coming down the passage. i had to to keep my eyes on the passage. i had to arm myself. i didn't have time to think about anything else. i spoke to reeva and said to her, get down, call the police. >> i say mr. pistorius, a reasonable person would have looked where ree reeva was, look if she was safe and if she panicked. you didn't. you just grabbed a gun. on your own version, not my version -- on your own version you did not find out if she was okay or scared. am i right? >> my lady, there were a couple of questions -- >> let me ask this question. you never established if she was scared? >> i never established if she

was scared my lady. >> you never established if she heard you? >> that's correct my lady. >> if she heard the danger. >> that's correct my lady. >> you wanted to arm yourself. that's the first thought going through your mind. >> that's correct. there were many thoughts. i didn't have way to defend myself without my prosthetic legs. i ran for my firearm. >> that's not true. i mean, if you spoke to reeva, the two of you could have taken lots of other steps. am i right? >> there was no time my lady. >> you see that's what you're saying. you're saying there was no time. you heard something in the bathroom. you and reeva are in the bedroom. >> that's correct my lady.

>> there's a passage leading between the bedroom and bathroom. >> that's correct my lady. >> you could have done lots of other things. >> i don't agree my lady. >> you could have -- let's agree arming yourself, you and her could have gone to the balcony. >> on the balcony, there wouldn't have been any way of escaping if we got cornered. we wouldn't be able to move anywhere. >> but it's a possibility. >> it's a possibility my lady. >> you could have both hid behind the bid. >> that's a possibility. >> you both could have been on her side of the bed with your view on the passage. >> my lady, i didn't want harm to come to reeva. i wanted to put myself between the harm and reeva. if i had stuck next to reeva, it would have put her in harm. i told her to get down and call the police.

i could have done a host of things. at the time that's the decision i made. >> you see mr., you know it's my view your version is not correct. and it's improbable that you would act in that way. let's take it one step further. when you armed yourself, you rushed towards the area of the bed. >> i rushed towards to where the passage and the bedroom meet, my lady, just before you enter the passage. >> and then you entered the bedroom? >> that's correct my lady. >> ready to shoot? >> that's incorrect. >> what then? were you not ready to shoot? >> i was never ready to shoot my lady. at any point was i ready to shoot. i was trying to see what was happening in my home. >> why would you go -- harm

yourself, rush towards the danger but not ready to shoot? that's not true. not on your vrgs. >> there was not any time. i had to protect reeva and myself. >> that's not correct. you can't tell the court i didn't think. you armed yourself. i'm sure you released the safety mechanism on your gun. >> that's correct my lady. >> okay so you did that. you got your gun, released the safety mechanism. why? >> so if i needed to use my firearm i could protect myself. >> that's why you stormed. you wanted to shoot. >> we're talking about two separate times in the evening. >> i didn't storm to the bathroom my lady. i ran to where the passage begun. i walked extremely slowly and cautiously until i got to the corner where the bathroom passage is. >> if you saw something you

would have pulled out your gun. am i wrong? >> i'm not sure my lady. >> what was your intention? i'm walking down the passage. i want to protect reeva. you would have fired a shot. >> my intention was protect reeva and myself. >> and if you saw somebody, what were you ready to do? >> i don't think i was ready for anything. >> you were. you armed yourself, ready to shoot. >> as i said, i didn't want to take anybody's life. i screamed for intruders to get out of my home. >> you see again mr. pistorius, you want to say i wanted to protect somebody's life. you're arguing. think of the questions. walking down the passage, you had your gun. the safety was disengaged. you were ready to shoot. >> that's correct my lady.

>> you wanted to shoot. if you saw somebody, you wanted to shoot. >> there's a massive difference being ready to deal with confrontation in that manner, in that situation, with limited time my lady, and wanting to shoot someone. there's a massive difference. >> the difference is but you were ready to the shoot. if somebody moved you hawould h fired. >> that's not the point that i want pod shoot someone. >> if you saw somebody in the passage, what would you do then? >> i would defend myself. i can't engage in physical at occasion if i don't have my prosthetic legs on. >> walking down the passage gun in hand, if you saw somebody you would have fired? >> i'm not sure. that's not the situation i was dealt with. >> but remember you remember so much detail. you know when you walked slow and when you walked a bit faster

and really fast. now i'm asking you to tell the court. when you walked down the passage, the gun was pointing towards the bathroom? >> that's correct my lady. >> any movement you would have fired. >> my lady i remember things about the truth but not so what i would have done in a hypothetical environment. >> now -- then you saw this. >> no i started screaming before that point my lady. >> oh. tell me at one point -- see that's interesting. remember the details so well that you correct me. i just want you to remember. now when did you start scream?

>> i started shouting and screaming my lady as i entered the passage way. >> so -- and what did you shout and scream? >> i screamed for the persons to get out of my house. i screamed for reeva to phone the police. i repeated that several times. >> there was no response from reeva? >> no there was no response from reeva. >> at that time you intention is to go towards the danger? >> that's correct. >> you're vulnerable but go towards the danger? >> that's correct. >> why would you do that? >> because if i stayed where i was my lady, reeva and i would have been in danger. >> nobody would have been in danger because there was no intruder. that's the fact of this matter. >> i didn't know that at the time my lady. >> but the fact of the matter,

if you stayed in that room, reeva would have been alive. those are the facts. i'm testing you on a version that's not true. >> that's not a test my lady. that's hypothetical version if i had stayed in my room, no life would have been lost that night. i understand. i agree with that. that's not a test. >> the problem is you said you were vulnerable, felt vulnerable. is that right? >> that's correct. >> but you approached the danger. the two doesn't make sense. you can't be vulnerable and approach the danger. >> if i stay aed where i was, anything could have happened. we heard everyday how people are shot at. if i stayed in my room, somebody could have shot reeva. they came in my room and sprayed mace in my room, something could

have happened. i wanted to put as much space between reeva and danger. >> reeva is the one person you didn't talk to you. you can't bring her into this. there wasn't a conversation. let me rephrase i'm sorry. you didn't even make sure she was there and that she heard you before you left. >> i didn't make sure. i was sure at she was -- i didn't make sure my lady. that's correct. >> what i don't understand mr. pistorius is -- i'm just testing your version because as far as i'm concerned it's not true. if you remained in the bedroom, you had a clear view of the passage. >> that's correct my lady. if i had stood in a certain place in my room. if i hid behind the bed i wouldn't have a clear view -- >> right around the corner you could peep down the passage with

a clear view of the bed. >> that's correct my lady. >> so that would put you in a position where somebody coming out of the bathroom had to walk at least five to get to you. >> that's correct. >> and you would be able to see them? >> that's correct. >> but you rushed towards the danger? >> i didn't rush towards the danger. that's incorrect. >> you walked towards the danger? >> that's correct my lady. >> why would you do that? >> i'm not sure my lady. at that point i was trying to get myself and reeva as far away from the danger as possible. >> you know when you just said i'm not sure. >> my lady -- >> when you just said i'm not sure. that indicates probability of your version.

nobody would be sure why you did that a. it doesn't make sense. >> i don't agree my lady. >> you agree by saying i'm not sure why i did it. >> i'm not sure why. i didn't have time. that was my instinct that a told me to do that. i'm not sure why. >> i find your instinct strange. i find your instinct strange for the following theories. instinct would have made sure reeva is safe. that was instinct to make sure she's safe. am i right? >> i think everybody's instinct is different. >> so your instinct wasn't to make sure she was safe. >> i was thinking i was making it safer for her. >> we'll go through this. you gave the court unbelievable

details about thought processes in your evidence. the way you walked slowly, the way you walked faster, the way you shouted. i'm testing you on processes because you put yourself out there. >> that's correct. >> why did you approach the danger? >> i wanted to put myself between the harm, danger, the threat, the people i thought were in my home. i didn't want to bring that upon reeva. if i was in my room, a number of things could have happened. >> and you and reeva could have gone out the main bedroom door? >> we could have my lady. >> why did you not do that? >> i'm not sure my lady. >> that's the one thing in this case you cannot explain, not on your version. why did you not leave through your bedroom door.

>> my lady i have very limited mobility on my stumps on a hard surface. >> is that the reason you did not leave through the main bedroom door? >> no my lady. >> then give us a reason. you went past the bedroom door, you two could have left through the main bedroom door to safety. >> my lady, now i look back and talk about possibilities, but that is not what happened. in the time i had that evening -- >> it is easy to think of a version why you killed reeva. to come up with an innocent reason, that's also reason. the facts are that the bedroom door was the closest escape there was. >> my lady, i haven't come up with a version. this is the same version i had in my bail. the state's case has changed

many times. my version stays the same. i didn't come up with a version. i didn't know the facts. i was handed the docket in august with all the facts. my version hasn't changed. >> yes granted -- >> i could have gone on the balcony and left the room. that isn't what happened. >> mr. pistorius, you had to come up with a version to put reeva in the bathroom to explain why you went to the bathroom. your whole version, explain why you got to the bathroom innocent. that's why the one major issue of the bedroom door you cannot explain. explain that. you have to tell the court why you didn't take reeva out that bedroom window to safety. >> i don't know. >> out the bedroom door. i apologize. >> i don't know why i didn't do that my lady.

>> you see, you did the opposite. you approached the danger. that doesn't make sense. it's not true. >> my lady, if you listen to miss taylor's evidence where she said when there was an intruder i went down stairs and looked. that's my personality. that's how i am. instead of running a way, at that moment i wanted to put myself between the danger and reeva my lady. i cannot explain. i wish i did. i wish i did all these other things. >> so you wanted to confront. that's me, oscar, i want to go confront, stand up for myself? >> that's correct. >> i'll shoot. >> that's not what i said. >> that's the entrance. i wanted to go con front the robbers. you did by firing.

>> that's correct my lady. >> let us get this. you walked down the passage with intentions to confront the intrude intruders? >> my intention wasn't to confront them. if i remember what i said i was shouting for them to get out of my house. i didn't want confrontation. >> if that is true -- i will give you opportunity. >> i was aware. it made me more terrified maybe these people weren't there to leave if i was shouting at them. when i got to the entrance of the bathroom i stopped shouting. i wasn't sure they left the house or not. >> let us take it slow. >> you knew your bath room very well. what it looked like, how big the toilet is in the bathroom, where the shower is.

you knew it right. >> of course. that's my house. >> you knew the only way into your house from the bathroom is down the passage from the bathroom. >> if would have obtained means through the window, that's correct my ladlady. >> if you're in the bathroom, the only way to get to the house is walk -- >> to the bedroom. >> to the bedroom, yes. >> i don't understand the question. i'm sorry my lady. >> let me try again. for intruders that gained entrance to your bathroom. you take that as a passage to get into your bedroom. he must walk down the passage? >> that's correct my lady. >> that's the passage you could control from your bedroom? >> that's correct. >> but you didn't? >> i didn't my lady. i said that before.

>> now when you shouted and screamed, you said you shouted for them to leave and reeva to phone police. >> that's correct my lady. >> you got no response from reeva. >> that's correct my lady. >> now you think it was loud, the screams? >> there were shouts and screams very loud. i was shouting and screaming. they were very loud. i was shouting at the people to get out. >> shouting at reeva? >> i shouted at her in the beginning to get down and phone the police. as i progressed up the passage, i was shouting for people to get out. >> she never responded? >> my lady this is the fourth

time i've said she didn't respond. >> i'll ask it more. she never responded. >> no my lady, she never responded. >> now -- then you got to the entrance of the bathroom? >> that's correct my lady. >> and you kept quiet? >> that's correct my lady. >> the reason being? >> i didn't want to give position away. i was scared the person was around the corner. i kneeled down holding the coverage. i had the firearm in front of me. i was worried the person was waiting to ambush me my lady. i wanted to peer around the corner. >> so now we're thinking -- now you're thinking and kneeling down and your gun is facing towards the bathroom. >> everything about that event was split decision. every moment there was a difference in something that could have happened.

when i was in the passage it was that the person could have stuck their hand around the wall and fired at me. when i got to the entrance of the passage, it was a different situation. somebody could have attacked me with the firearm or ran up to me and choked me my lady. >> it doesn't make sense you approached them. you're right, thinking of your version that's true. you approached them. >> that's correct my lady. >> that's not true mr. pistorius. nobody would do that. not -- nobody would do that. it's a lie. >> that's in correct my lady. >> now let us then -- you -- just before you get to the area of the bathroom what happened then? >> we looked around the corner to see no one was in the bathroom. no one around the corner.

then proceeded. i kept my distance as far away as possible from the wall. i walked down the closet to the last cupboard that i could see. i couldn't see anybody there. i moved slowly forward to the entrance of the bathroom. >> and then? >> at that point i did pretty much the same as what i had done when i reached the corner from the closet into the passage of the bathroom. again, i wasn't sure if there was somebody against the basin going to be there as i went forward. i saw the window was open. i wasn't sure the person was standing on the ladder just opened the door. there was somebody inside the

toilet that the point. i heard the door slam earlier. i wasn't sure where the person or persons were. >> let's go -- we're going way too quickly now. i just want to get the sequence. in that passage you scream and shout? >> that's correct my lady. >> then close to the entrance where the towels start, that's where you get quiet? >> are we talking about what i'm doing? >> yes what you're doing. >> i kept quiet. >> when did you hear the door shut? >> while i was in the passage. >> while in the passage you heard the door slam? >> that's correct my lady. >> and the only door that could be is the toilet door? >> that's correct my lady. >> and what did you think? >> i thought there was somebody going into the toilet or somebody had kicked the door

open to near where the window -- one of the windows. i didn't know which window was open would have been opened. i knew the door was in that way. because i was screaming get out of my house. i was hoping the person was fleeing my house and kicked the door closed. i wasn't sure whether there was someone in the toilet. i was 100% sure there was somebody in the bathroom that accessed the window and climbed into my house. >> that long argument of 100% sure. that's what you thought because it never happened. there was nobody that access had the window on that night. >> that's correct my lady. now when you went into the

bathroom, you say you saw the window was open. >> that's correct my lady. >> so there was enough light for you to see the window? >> there were lights outside the window. street lights and house lights. >> no, no. but you say there wasn't enough life and then say there were. >> there were lights outside shining in. the bathroom wasn't as dark as the bedroom. in the bedroom there's no light. in the bathroom there's limited light. >> okay now we -- you saw that the window was open. what happened then? >> i then stood at that point and peered into the bathroom to see that there wasn't anybody around the corner. again i had a low position with my hand against the wall with balance. i peered around the corner and didn't see anyone there. i walked back a step or two.

>> before you go -- one thing we know is at that stage you looked at the bathroom and you were clear in your mind that there was no one in the bathroom. >> in the bathroom, that is true. >> you established there's no one in the bathroom. and you saw that the toilet door was closed? >> that's correct. >> you could see that? >> yes, i could see the door was closed my lady. >> now that door is usually open? or not? >> i don't understand. >> is that usually open or not? >> i guess it's usually open my

lady. >> was it strange that it was closed or did that not make a difference? >> it wasn't strange at all my lady. i heard it slam closed. >> if you heard somebody kick or slam it closed. the fact it was closed, was that in itself strange? >> i never said i heard somebody kick the door my lady. i said i heard somebody slam the door closed. >> you know, you said so. you said one or two things. either it was slammed closed or somebody kicked the door. >> in fleeing the house, that's correct. i'm sorry my lady. >> why are you making these mistakes? the fact you're making them is significant. why are you making these mistakes? >> the question was to me was it strange the door was open or closed?

it wasn't strange because i heard it slamming. whether it was closed or slammed close my lady. >> mr. pistorius, you said i never ever said that somebody kicked the door. >> i apologized my lady. >> you see -- contradictory versions and then apologizes. there's a reason for it. what is the reason you're doing it? >> i made a mistake my lady. >> it can't be a mistake. it must be i'm thinking of something that never happened. i have to keep up. that's it. your version never happened. you have to keep up with an untruth. that's why you're making these mistak mistakes. isn't that? >> i made a mistake my lady. >> why would you make a mistake.

i want to know why? >> i'm not sure my lady. i apologize. i don't know why i said that. in the time i was in the passage, the question posed to me was different than the situation. i said it was proposed to me the door was slammed. was it strange the door was closed. i heard the door slam. i had forgotten about that. i apologized for it. i can't explain why i forgot. >> i'm going to do it one more time. it's not the mistake. you said i never ever said someone kicked the door. for me, that's what it's about. not the fact you made a mistake. that you never said it. >> as convinced as you are about the rest of the evidence, that is my problem. >> my lady, i've been -- i said i'm sorry.

i understand i made a mistake. >> i'm putting it to you that your mistakes are as convincing as your evidence in the way you deliver it. that's a problem. do you want to comment? >> no my lady. >> now, so the door was closed. you know how big the toilet is inside? >> i know -- >> how small it is. >> i know the size of the toilet more or wille less >> i know the size of the toilet more or wille le my lady. >> that's exactly how big the toilet is behind you? >> that's correct. it doesn't mean i know how big my toilet is or how big this toilet is. i know the about the size it is. i don't know the measurements of the toilet. >> you know if somebody is in

there, there's limited space to mov move. >> that's correct my lady. >> for them to get out -- if they want to get out the toilet any which way, what would they be able to do? >> climb out the window or come out the door. if they had a ladder. >> if there's a ladder at the window they could go down out the window? >> that's correct. >> or come through the door? >> that's correct my lady. >> now i have to take you on this. you want to tell the court that you reasonably thought an intruder came through your window and walked into your toilet and closed the door. why would an intruder do that? is that what you thought? >> my lady, please rephrase the

question. >> are you saying that it's reasonable for any person to think that an intruder would come through the window into the toilet and close the door? >> you're asking me what an intruder would deem reasonable when breaking into a house my lady. >> if there's an intruder, do you think he would go into the toilet and close the door? >> i'm not sure what an intruder would do if caught off guard. how do you expect me to answer that question. >> mr. pistorius is thinking, he came through that window, went to that toilet. that's what you thought? >> that's a possibility. >> it's so farfetched it would happen. it's improbable that you would even think an intruder would run into my toilet and lock the door and close the door. >> i didn't think or mention of any locking door. i heard the door slam.

it had to be -- if i was in a position where i would have to consider what happened with the noises i had heard -- i had to consider there was someone in the toilet or someone on the ladder. >> we'll get -- i want to use word consider. you know what you considered. you had to walk slowly and be quiet. you had to consider to walk slowly down the passage keeping your attention to the danger. >> that's correct my lady. >> you had to consider when to be quiet. >> my lady i don't know if that was consideration or instinct it told me it would be stupid to make a noise at a certain time. >> but considering -- >> considering the time component i didn't have the luxury of. >> you want to say that.

we're testing it. time, time, time is something you've said. we're testing it. >> that's correct. >> listen to my question. you consider it's now time to be quiet. it's something that you considered and followed and did. am i right? >> consideration as i said my lady takes time to reason. when i was standing at the bathroom looking at the door and window, i was shouting at that point. there was time for me to consider. i was thinking is the person on the ladder? is the person in the bathroom? a thought happened. >> we'll get there. we still -- you consider and reason to be quiet. i know you want to give your version. we'll get to it. you considered and reasoned that it's now time to be quiet. >> i never said that my lady. i'll ask you.

we're testing your thought patterns. you want to say -- we're testing thought pattern. follow me. >> i don't follow my lady. >> i'll try. i'll try. you thought that it's better to be quiet when you got to the tile area of the bathroom -- >> that's correct my lady. >> you thought it's better to be quiet, why? >> i didn't want to give my position away my lady. >> yes. then you thought i must be careful when i go into the bathroom. am i right? >> the whole time i was thinking i need to be careful my lady. my life was in danger. the entire time i thought i need to be careful. >> and you thought i'll make sure nobody is in the bathroom. and you did.

nobody was there? >> i don't think that thought crossed my mind, there's nobody in the bathroom. >> something you had to do when you got to the bathroom -- >> i don't think that's a fair comment. i never said i went there to shoot someone. now if you did not go there to shoot someone, what did you want to do then? >> i wanted to make the person in my house leave my lady. get away from the danger -- causing danger to myself and reeva my lady. >> let us work on that. your intention was to make the person flee. >> that's correct my lady. >> nothing else. >> that's correct my lady. >> okay. when you got to the bathroom, there was nobody there?

>> that's correct my ladlady. >> and what happened then? >> then i stood at the point where i moved back to when i looked at and stood back so the bathroom door was in line with the wall. i could see the window. i had the firearm in front of me. i i screamed again for reeva to phone police or security. then i shouted. i kept on shouting. >> just a moment. of your whole version mr. pistorius, this is the most improbable. reeva is away from you in a toilet. >> i didn't know that my lady. i thought she was in the bedroom. >> no, no i'm talking about the facts. at that stage when you shouted and screamed at reeva to phone the police, she is sitting meters away from you in the

toilet. >> that's correct. >> that's not correct. she would have shouted and talked to you. she was in the same room. >> she would have been terrified. i don't think she would have screamed out. i think she would have kept quiet. i was shouting out approaching the toilet. i presume she would think the danger is coming closer to her. why would she shout out? >> because you're in the room. you're shouting. she's sitting behind that particular door. there is no way you'll convince the court she stood there saying nothing. why? why would she not say a thing? >> i don't know my lady. >> it's not true. the only reason is it's not true mr. pistorius.

she would have responded. >> is that a question my lady? >> yes. she would have responded. we'll take it -- 15 minutes will left. in fact she is standing on your version and state's version. she's standing behind the door facing the bathroom, facing you that's shouting. >> that's correct my lady. >> if she was scared she would not have been there. she would have hid in the toilet. >> i can't say what she would have done. i don't think anybody can say what she would have done. >> i think the state can. she was talking to you. she was standing in front of the door talking to you when you shot her. that's the only reasonable explanation for her standing up right. that's the only reasonable explanation why you shot her in

the head where you did. >> not true my lady. >> she wasn't scared of anything except you. she wasn't scared of an intruder. she was scared of you. >> not true my lady. >> mr. pistorius, on the probability, i'm looking at the door. if bullet hole a hits her on the right hip, she's standing facing you. >> i didn't dispute that my lady. >> now if she was scared, if your version is true, she would not have been in front of that door facing you. >> as i said my lady, i don't think anybody could have said where she would have stood if she was thinking i was -- in her mind it must have been i was

retreating to the bathroom. in her mind i must have been screaming. reeva phone the police. screaming for people to get out. if she was in the toilet she would have been quiet. i don't see why she would have screamed out. >> that gives her more reason to talk. saying come to me. i'll phone the police. what's wrong was never. >> my lady she was involved in a similar incident in her life. from my understanding she wasn't able to speak to people a day or so afterwards my lady. i don't think that's the case. >> you see mr. pistorius, she's a wake, in the toilet. you're shouting, screaming. she would have responded. she wouldn't have been quiet. >> she didn't respond my lady. >> did she scream at all while

you shot her four times? >> no, my lady. >> are you sure? are you sure mr. pistorius that reeva did not scream after the first shot? are you mr. pistorius? my lady, i'm giving the witness time to console himself. i'll wait. >> my lady, the point that reeva shouted or screamed -- i wish she had let me know she was there. she did not do that.

>> this isn't my question. after you fired the first shot, did she scream? >> no. >> are you sure? >> yes. >> would you have heard her? >> i don't think i would have heard her. my ears were ringing. >> that's why i'm asking the question. how would you exclude the screaming if you couldn't hear? you said she never screamed. you couldn't hear. you're just saying that. >> that is what i'm saying my lady. >> no, that's not what you're saying. you're saying she didn't scream. >> my lady, the sound of the gunshots in the bathroom, you wouldn't have heard anyone scream. i don't believe you would have heard anyone scream. when i finished firing the gunshot, i was screaming and couldn't hear my own voice. that's why i'm asking you the

question. people heard a woman scream during the shots. is that possible? >> no, that's not possible. >> why? >> because a woman didn't scream at any point. >> no, you can't say that. >> that's my version. >> no you can't. that's your version but not something you can say to the court that nobody screamed during the shots. can you? >> yes, i can. >> no, you can't. how can you? you just said you can't. how can you say nobody screamed during the shots? >> i cannot say no one screamed. no one screamed. there wasn't a woman screaming. >> how can you say that? how can you say that? >> because i was there. >> are you making a mistake

again? the mistake is you forgot about your ears ringing. >> i'm not talking about the shooting. i'm talking about the entire evening. >> i'm talking about the shooting. you can't get away from that every time you don't know what i'm talking about. sometimes you have to take responsibility. i said during the shooting mr. pistorius. you cannot have understood me wrong. >> i agree with mr. nel when he made the point. you went on to talk about people heard screaming. during the shots mr. pistorius. you cannot get away with this time and time again pretending you couldn't follow. >> i didn't pretend i couldn't follow. i agreed with mr. nel my lady. >> it's on record and i'll argue it. can you say that reeva didn't scream after the first shot? >> i didn't hear the scream after the first shot my lady. >> you know what.

it was put in your bail implication that nobody but you screamed on that night. >> that's correct. >> my lady, in all fairness, mr. nel put when he's talking about. there's a great difference of when the screaming would have been and when shots would have been fired. i put to far remove the relation where the state is saying the shots were. i don't want to put something in the mouth of anyone. but maybe mr. nel must make that clear. we're not talking about the same time my lady. >> you also referring to the bail application? >> absolutely. so we're talking about different times. just to make clear. >> my lady, it cannot be -- i'll refer to the bail application. that's one of the embarrassing

things when you need the bail application, it's not here. >> well it might be good idea to count it from the record so that we know exactly what you're talking about. >> i'll ask. the way i remember are it, there was no woman screaming that night. that was put in the bail application. i'll mark it on mine. i'll carry on with something although -- i'll carry on with this. when i get back and have the record i will do that. mr. pistorius, now you see, i've heard your evidence of how it affected you and how you felt.

you'll agree with me that for reeva being in that small cubicle when shots were fired through the door. >> i agree my lady. >> what happened to her that night was unthinkable. i've never heard you even say anything about how she must have reacted in the toilet thinking of it ch.it. throughout the case, have you? >> i've thought about it many, many times of my own. i answered what reeva must have thought when i was walking back.

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you are watching bbc world news. this is "gmt." this is live continuing coverage of the oscar pistorius trial. >> that is the only thing that makes sense. you shot at her knowing she was behind the door. >> that's not true my lady. >> may i request that we