you're watching "gmt." i'm lucy hockings. a deadly dawn strike on another school in gaza. the building was packed with refugees sheltering from israeli shelling, at least 19 people have been killed. the u.n. says they told israel 17 times they were civilians there, and call it a disgraceful act. >> this is surely an affront to all of us, an assault of universal shame. today, the world stands disgraced.

troops edge closer to the rebel held town of donetsk, the fighting preventing international monitor s reachin the crash site of mh-17 for a fourth day. the secret love letters of a u.s. president, raunchy details emerge of warren harding's extramarital affair. the clock is ticking for argentina. >> a nail biter. midnight tonight is the time for argentina to pay investors or say no and default on debt for a second time in 13 years. so we'll go live to find out what all of this could mean for argentineans. midday in london.

israel shelled a united nations school, sheltering more than 3,000 people. at least 19 people were killed, 90 others injured. the u.n. says the school was hit several times without warning. and in a moment, we're going to hear from a senior u.n. official who calls this a disgraceful act. israel says it is investigating the incident. our correspondent chris morris was at the school after it was hit. >> reporter: i'm close to the gates of the jabaliya elementary girls school, where according to the united nations multiple explosive projectiles hit at about 5:00 this morning. you can see some of the damage on this side, this was a toilet block, it took a hit. but over here, this was a classroom. it is a classroom where people were sleeping. and there were deaths and injuries. now, the united nations says more than 3,000 people were taking shelter in this school, displaced from other areas of

gaza, particularly areas in the north. and you can see scattered around here on the ground there are bits of bedding, there are shoes, and for the second time in a week, a u.n. school has been hit by incoming fire. the israeli defense forces say they are investigating. this classroom is one of the places that took a direct hit. there are blood stains on the floor, there are bits of human remains here still. scattered around, evidence of what passes for normal family life, a pink football, a broken packet of pasta, plastic bottles. this is a terrible scene. >> chris morris at the school. chris gunness is from the united nations relief and works agency. that's the agency that runs the schools that have become shelters for many palestinians, becoming that one hit this morning. he told my colleague gavin gray that the attack is a violation

of international law. >> last night, children were killed as they slept next to their parents on the floor of a u.n. -- of a classroom in a u.n. designated shelter. children killed in their sleep. this is surely an afront to all of us, a source of universal shame. today the world stands disgraced. we have been to the site. we have gathered evidence. we have analyzed fragment, examined craters and other damage. our initial assessment is that it was israeli artillery that hit the school in which 3,300 people have sought refuge. we believe there were at least three impacts, too early to give a confirmed death toll, but we know there were multiple civilian deaths and injuries including women and children and the unrwa guard, our guard trying to protect the site. these are the people who were instructed to leave their homes by the israeli army. so we condemn in the strongest possible terms this serious violation of international law by israeli forces. >> and to be clear, there was no

warning? >> we gave the precise location of the jabaliya elementary girls school and the fact it was holding thousands of internally displaced people this was communicated to the israeli army 17 times, 1-7. this, of course, to ensure its protecti protection. the last of the calls was at ten minutes to 9:00 last night, just hours before this fatal shelling, draw your own conclusions. >> draw your own conclusions is what chris gunness says there from the u.n. let's speak to an israeli knesset member. thank you for joining us here on the bbc. i hope you heard the interview with the united nations. chris gunness, the rest of the world now wants to know from israel how you justify shelling a u.n. school. >> i must say that you need to ask this question of the leadership of hamas. when you see a terror organization using the most

cynical way, children, women, to be a human shelter to amount of rockets that have only one goal, to shoot on the cities of israel, to harm civilians, just civilians, they have no territorial claim from israel because israel -- in 2005, but since then hamas keeps on shooting rockets on our cities and our children, and unfortunately -- >> i have to say, there were no rockets in this school. the u.n. had removed them before this offensive began. the u.n. told israel 17 times of the location of this school. israel knew there was 3,000 people sheltering there. again, how do you justify that? >> i with like ould like to rem since the military operation started, because hamas decided to shoot and fire israel cities and israel children, they were found, thousands, thousands of

rockets in the hospital -- >> not in this particular case. >> u.n. schools, in u.n. schools and -- >> i have to correct you in this particular case, we spoke to the u.n. less than an hour ago, to the man who runs these schools. there were no rockets in that school. there was no warning given to them. and they told israel 17 times of the location of this school and who was there. >> so, again, i would like to remind you, throughout this military operation, time after time, israeli army found rockets in those u.n. schools. you can't deny this fact. specifically if you can say there are mistakes that are done in the military operation, of course. are you asking israeli deliberately is harming children, definitely not. israel doing everything in order to prevent those harms. but unfortunately, hamas leadership, at this moment, still using civilians in gaza in

order to use those pictures you enjoy showing to the world instead of using the army in israel that is saying time after time to the children in gaza, don't cooperate with these people. now, i would like to remind you that -- >> i'm sorry -- >> -- didn't go to this military operation because we came up in the morning and decided to go to this military operation. we did that because we needed to defend ourselves, defend our children. 10,000 rockets were shoot to israel's border since 2005. those were against children in israel, in elementary schools in israel. >> many, many hundreds now of children have died. palestinian children have died. there are not many people in the international community who believe now israel is doing its very best not to kill civilians. and what is the most densely populated part of the world. many people are asking and i would like you to explain to us what the moral line is for

israel now? where does it stop? >> okay. unfortunately as you know there was an egyptian offer on the table for a cease-fire, hamas refused to accept time after time. hamas wants to get reborn for the fact it is shooting on our cities and our children. i want to say that israel can sit quietly and peacefully if it wouldn't have been hamas trying again time after time to kidnap children, would like to remind you that three children were kidnapped and murdered in most cruel way by hamas and time after time israel needs to defend itself. now, no proof at the moment that the international communities are offering us an offer that is going to demilitarize -- >> as we heard from hamas and heart from fatah and others and said they will not accept a cease-fire unless we see a

lifting of the siege of gaza. do you think your leader will accept that condition? ever? >> as you know, unfortunately, no one in the world is doing the work for israel. if it wouldn't have been our soldiers now cleaning gaza from the tunnels, the tunnels that were supposed to be outside of israel, as part of elementary schools, kindergartens -- >> so when do you think this will come to an end, how long will this go on for? >> the truth is, if hamas would have decided to say i'm not going to use this terror power anymore, it would have stopped. unfortunately we know how terror organizations are working and it doesn't seem like when they still have over 10,000 rob cket in gaza itself and the tunnels, that israel is working hard to find each one of them, we still need to work on it. and unfortunately no one in international community can

promise us that the day after the cease-fire we won't have rockets on our cities again. i'd like to offer you to come to the south side of israel, to tel aviv, to jerusalem, sirens here day after day, and everyone needs to be in shelters. this is not a daily life in a normal country. >> thank you very much for joining us. we have covered extensively what is happening to the people in southern israel and as she was just telling me, israel does say one of its main objectives is to destroy this network of tunnels that runs from gaza into southern israel, which allows hamas militants to attack israeli communities and soldiers. this report is that more than 30 tunnels have been found so far. here is a sample from the map the israeli defense forces put on their website. it shows several tunnels running inside the gaza strip into israel. the ibf says one runs three kilometers deep into their

territory. we report on the tunnels and the impact that had on the conflict. >> reporter: overcome by grief for a fallen soldier. there were several fresh graves in jerusalem's military cemetery. israelis mourning five soldiers killed by palestinian militants who emerged from a tunnel. this country's worst nightmare is now the threat from below. here's where it became a reality. now deserted with drones buzzing overhead. >> you can see over there. >> reporter: the head of security showed me the spot in the fields where the militants emerged. >> you see the two towers. >> reporter: in the distance, gaza was burning. this is now a front line.

>> you can see on one side the cars and on the other side the tank. this is our life. >> reporter: are you afraid these infiltraters will come back? >> sure. i'm not afraid, but i'm concerned, yes. >> and what will you do if they do? >> this is one of the biggest tunnels discovered in our brigade, in the gaza division. >> reporter: the army gave us access to one of the tunnels that penetrate israel. this one was found under a potato field, 50 feet down. we made our way to the entrance. it was built with israeli concrete. the army says it would have taken hamas three or four years to finish the job. the construction here was a very professional operation. you can see there are power lines, there was electricity here, phone lines were

installed. and the roof is very much reinforced. and down on the ground, the militants built a kind of rail system to get sand in and out. the army says the purpose of this tunnel was to allow militants to reach israeli territory and carry out deadly attacks. hamas is keen to show off its tunnels. it has released this video of fighters emerging to stroll across the fields. they reach what looks like an israeli military position and open fire. we can't be sure when this was filmed. israel says its massive assault on gaza won't end until the complex tunnel network is out of action. the key battlefield is now below ground. but the army admitted to us that even if it shuts down the existing tunnels, hamas will probably build new ones. bbc news, on the israeli gaza

border. >> more on the conflict in the middle east in a moment. but first, let's update you on other news. aid agencies attacking the ebola epidemic in west africa say they expect the outbreak to continue until at least the end of the year. the red cross federation say the situation in the region remains out of control. we'll bring you more on that later here on "gmt." officials in india say ten people are dead and more are feared buried under a landslide in a village in the west of the country. around 40 houses are thought to have been buried. rescue workers are on their way to the remote village that lies about 100 kilometers away from the city of pune. landslides are common during monsoon season in india. a woman in southern somalia has been shot dead at her home for refusing to wear the muslim veil. reports say the group al shabab care are rid o carried out the attack. stay with us on "bbc world

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international monitors who are trying to reach the crash site of the malaysian plane in eastern ukraine have once again had to turn back because of fighting in the area. ukrainian army is continuing its offensive, aimed at encircling the rebels in the donetsk region. it says it has driven separatists out of the town of avdiyivka. thomas, i'll start with you. it seems the fighting is increasing. we have seen more civilians there. bring us up to date with what is

happening. >> that town is to the north of donetsk, the ukrainian army has taken a tighter control of that today. the road running north of donetsk through that town, they seem to control that road. what we have seen is the ukra e ukrainian army taking control, they seem be to be tightening control of the city and encircling it. but though they made progress in the last couple of days, taking the city of donetsk is a completely different ball game. it would be a much more are difficult, probably more lengthy process. and i think there will be a much higher human cost for any civilians left in the city when that may happen. but as you say, we have seen civilians within the last day or two, civilian deaths. and though the ukrainian army says it does not target civilian, we have seen civilian

areas hit, apartment blocks and civilian killed. >> sanctions from the u.s. and the eu as well. what is the reaction in terms of the economy? looking at the stock market today, it is up a bit. >> the stock market is up a bit. that's largely on the strength of institutions like spare bank, the main russian bank, which didn't get hit by sanctions. and so i think there was relief by people in the stock market that the sanctions depos didn't wider. but the huge bank which was targeted by the american sanctions, their stocks are severely down. the ruble is at a two-month low. and there are definite signs that the russian economy is starting to feel the pinch that the central bank had to raise interest rates last week and one of the effects is higher costs for borrowers and the fate of new car in russia dropped 17%

last month. so there are some real effects. but in terms of political reaction, one of the more senior ministers commented on it today, asked by journalists what he thought about the sanctions. he said, what about the new sanctions? in for a penny, in for a pound. that is the reaction of the russian government, that they knew this kind of pain was coming, didn't react to american, western european requests to close the border to prevent the flow of weaponry into eastern ukraine. they knew they would be punished for that and whether or not they feel they have to react, well, i think that's something we have to see a few months later. >> tom and daniel, thank you very much for joining us. now it our top story, israel has shelled a united nations school that was sheltering more than 3,000 people. the latest we're hearing is that 19 people were killed and 90 others were injured. let's talk now to peter lerner, a spokesperson for the israeli

defense forces and he joins me from our jerusalem studio. thank you for being with us. how does israel justify shelling a u.n. school? >> we don't. he don't shoot. we don't target u.n. facilities. absolutely not. >> but mr. lerner, you clearly have and we have heard from the united nations in the past hour. bbc has been told they informed you 17 times what the location of the school was and who was there. >> lucy, over the last hours we have had extensive fighting in that area. we had mortars that were fired from right near the school. and indeed there was an exchange of fire. we're currently looking into the tragic result. this is, you know, clearly we have seen the foot annual. it it is heart breaking. we have an ongoing working relationship with unrwa and the united nations. and in order to coordinate activities and keep their mission ongoing for the needs

and requirements for the people in gaza at this time. >> unrwa just called what you have done a violation of international law. they say the violation of international law, an absolute disgrace, and that with the -- one of the best most equipped militaries in the world that you should have known that was a u.n. school. we're interested in what calculation you make when you're in an area so densely populated, there is fighting, we understand, there may be weapons there, but how do you calculate getting to those weapons, getting to those militants versus the possible loss of civilian lives and such a densely populated area? >> here's what we're up against. and a terrorist organization that is exploiting civilian environment, including u.n. premises. on three occasions that we know of we have been told by unrwa there is rockets on u.n. premises. we understand and realize the united nations has no weapons to stop hamas from operating in and around their cities and don't

expect that, but -- >> the u.n. found weapons, they found rockets in that school, in jabaliya, but they removed them before the hostilities began and told you this. >> they gave them back to hamas. that's what they did with them. here's what we know, okay. we are reviewing the incident of the early hours of this morning. we have been over the last 48 hours attempt of hamas to pin issues and tragedies to israel. i'm sure you're aware of the incident exposed yesterday in the media that the incident in sheva hospital, misfired rockets that other terrorist organizations had launched themselves and crashed in -- within the strip killing people. this wouldn't be the first. we have to check it. we have to look into it. we have to get to the bottom of it. i can say with absolute confidence, you know, i'm absolutely certain we do not target intentionally u.n. premises. >> this is not the first u.n.

school that has been hit. we are talking about a place that is -- that is call an open air prison, but one of the most densely populated places in the world and we're seeing this civilian casualties increase. people, i think, are finding it hard when you say this, that you do not deliberately target civilians, how can you not, there are thousands of people crammed into these buildings, desperately looking for safety, saying there is nowhere that is safe anymore in gaza. >> i'm, again, the reality that we are facing in israel is a terrorist organization that is using the civilian environment as a -- as fortification for their -- >> peter lerner, i'm sorry, can i ask you one quick question, we're running out of time, about the tunnel network we showed earlier in the program, how extensive it is. you've now moved the rhetoric away from the rockets and into the tunnels and wanting to dismantle them. how long will it take to do

that? >> well, we dealt with approximately 50% that we have found, and we found over 30 tunnels. we have dealt with approximately 15 of those. we are continuing to combat those to sever that capability so they are off the table. indeed, it is important to understand that the complexity of dealing with them on the ground so they no longer pose a threat, it can take some time, we're doing our best to take it off the table as soon as possible. >> peter lerner, thank you for joining us. thanks for being with us on "gmt." stay with us for the next part of the program. we're going to be looking at the fears around the ebola virus and west africa. stay with us. you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you're like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal... until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it?

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africa that the ebola virus is spreading. we'll bring you a special report from guinea on how the killer disease is affecting communities there. and later, the last surviving crew member of enola gay, the plane that dropped the atomic book on hiroshima has died. we'll talk to a filmmaker about how it affected his own life. aaron is back. the uk joining the driverless revolution. >> lucy, it is the big race and it is a big ambition. today, the uk government announced it was the driverless cars on our roads here in britain by january of next year. really? question is are our roads ready and are drivers ready to sit back and let this do all the work? welcome back to "gmt." ebola, one of the world's

deadliest diseases, with up to 90% of cases resulting in death is spreading across west africa. some airlines have stopped flights into liberia and sierra leone as concerns grow about the outbreak. but health officials say patients have a better chance of survival if they receive early treatment. and they're traveling now to remote villages in the infected areas to teach people what symptoms to watch out for. >> reporter: the latest and one of the youngest victims of ebola, wrapped in layers of plastic bags, is the tiny body of 4-month-old faya. his family is too scared to attend his burial, so he's carefully laid to rest by strangers.

an anonymous grave, in the middle of the forest. as one victim is buried, another suspected case is driven into the nearby treatment center. the virus spreads through contact with a patient's body fluids, so health workers seal themselves in suits where temperatures hit 40 degrees celsius. it is relentless and harrowing work. adele looked after baby faya in his final moments. >> i was there with him, just before he died. i had been feeding him milk. i stepped away for a short break. but then i was called back and he was dead. i was told he -- at times i just go outside and cry. >> reporter: in remote villages devastated by ebola, the fear is

palpable. and that fear is helping spread the virus. some people believe medics are actually bringing ebola here and harvesting organs from the dead. this is after yet another date community leaders here agree to hear the truth about ebola. and crucially how to stop it spreading. a few days ago, health workers couldn't get into this village, but they have made a breakthrough here today. people are bringing out their sick relatives and agreeing to be checked over for symptoms of ebola. this man convinced his sick mother to get help. she had a high fever and had been vomiting for days. there have been seven deaths in this small village so far. but medics say many more could be infected. samples from affected villages come to this makeshift

diagnostics laboratory. british scientists are among those testing for the virus. >> when you see a negative case come from a patient who was previously positive it a celebration, because you know that person has been treated and he's feeling better and might even be released soon. that's excellent. and sometimes you are also see patients who are brought in, very young, and they are testing positive and it is quite -- it is very sad, you know? >> reporter: it is visiting time back at the treatment center. and this 13-year-old, himself an ebola survivor after getting treatment early, has come to ehis little sister. it is good news. initial tests for marion have come back negative. but ebola is a cruel and indiscriminate virus. their mother is very sick and may not survive. as this crisis wages on, there

are going to be many more stories like hers, infected, isolated and fighting an invisible killer. >> tulip is back in london and with me now in the studio. also with me here is an independent political risk analyst who has just returned from visiting his family in sierra leone and obi told me he lost a member of his family yesterday to ebola. is thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us. i'm sorry for your loss. this proves that ebola must be touching everybody in sierra leone right now. >> yes, it is. it is touching everyone. just a few days ago as well we had the death of sierra leone's leading ebola doctor in liberia, one of the leading doctors also has been infected and cases of american doctors being infected. it is no respect of class or economic status or what have you. >> are people scared? >> people are terrified. people are absolutely terrified.

the medical staff are terrified. the locals are tare fide. speaking to my brother in one of the epicenter of disease in sierra leone, one of the main treatment centers and he told me a mob went atacked the hospital trying to take all patients from the town. >> and the level of misunderstanding, what are people thinking? >> there is misunderstanding. in these parts of the world, people, a, don't trust central government, b, tend to put a lot of faith in traditional and local medicine. up with of the key issue one os people refuse to take their family to hospital because they fear that they're going to be infected in the hospital. so there say large amount of ignorance going on. and the big fear, is a people who have other medical conditions that present the same

symptoms and not being treated and medical staff abandoning hospitals because they're scared they might contract the disease. >> so much misunderstanding. tell us about why the virus so challenging, how it happens, how it spreads? >> ebola is a frightening virus, which is why we see so much fear in the communities. it never has come to west africa before. but it has up to 90% death rate and this particular outbreak, more like 60%. starts off as diarrhea, vomiting, then developing a fever. that he's when you're most contagious. later on you go into the virus, the more contagious you are, that's when family will try to lock after you and that's how lots of family members catch it. the end stages, it is organ failure, internal, external bleeding and that's when you die. >> can i ask you both about precautions? there must be some. i assume both of you have taken some kind of precautions.

what can be done ? >> we had to take precautions before going out and we are hon terring ourselves when we come back as well. the first thing to say is you catch ebola from touching an infected person's body fluids. so sweat, urine, vomit, diarrhea. and so if somebody is clearly showing that they're unwell, you wouldn't go and shake their hand or touch them. generally, you know, our team sort of very much kept to ourselves, we were able to talk to people, hear about their experiences, but the confirmed cases of ebola inside these treatment centers, you know, we did not go in there. you see the people in the big yellow biohazard suits, they're sealed up, you know, so they cannot catch it. >> you've probably taken some precautions as well. can i ask you in your profession and looking at political risks is this one? >> yes, it is quite a significant political risk.

the economy at the moment is driven by mining, the same applies for guinea. gold, diamond, bauxite, these are the engines of the economy that to some extent shielded this part of africa from the global financial crisis. if the situation is not brought under control very quickly, you're likely to see mining companies and other foreign internationals in these parts requiring that nonessential staff are repatriated back home. this would have significant economic effects on these countries. so, yes, it is a political risk issue. >> thank you, both, very much for joining us. it is all fascinating. i have it say, tulip will be taking part in a q & a in a moment on twitter, on the ebola outbreak. you ask the questions, aren't you, tulip, from our viewers. the #askbbctulip. >> we'll be there at around 1:30. >> please join us coming up

shortly. for now, let's join aaron with all the business news. what is going on in argentina, aaron. >> nail biting going on. a lot of clock watching. let mex plain. thank you very much, lucy. the clock is ticking. why? in a few hours time, argentina will default if no last minute deal is reached in new york. and with it, the people of argentina could see -- they could see their savings evaporated. how did we get to this impasse? let me try and explain. argentina defaulted, didn't pay debts on a total of $93 billion of outstanding international debt, did that on december 26th, 2001. the move, it devalued the peso, inflation soared and argentineans saw their savings disappear. economic recovery eventually allowed argentina to allow large scale debt swaps in 2005 and 2010. what does that mean?

essentially investors agree to take a hit in their own pocket and accepted new debt at only 30% of the value of the initial investment. now, come 2010, 93% of investors, they accepted this offer. so all pretty good. but it is the last 7% of so-called holdouts that are the root of today's issue, because in 2008, the majority of this outstanding debt was purchased by a hedge fund, nml capital group, they bought it for a fraction of its face value and are on track to make a 1,000% return on this investment. well, last year, a u.s. court ruled that argentina had to pay back the face value of the debt to these bond holders. this would amount to $1.3 billion. why not just pay, some are asking? when argentina offered to restructure, there was a clause saying that if a bet dealer came to the table, in the future, those accepting the 70% discount

deal would be entitled to claw back more money in line with any must offer. argentina has the choice to not pay out to the investors today and default. or start paying today, and eventually default because it has recount of money when further investors come forward saying i want my money as well. that's why we reached this stalemate. it is complicated. let's go over to katy watson, great to see you. it is complicated. but this is the problem in a nut shell. argentina probably has $1.3 billion to pay, but if they pay that out, then many other investors will come forward an say i want my money as well, and that is when argentina gets into financial trouble. >> that's right. very different assault. back in 2001, they did not have the money to pay its bills. now it has got the money. the president here -- they have done their bit, they're paying the restructured bond holders.

there is a lot of rhetoric here. they call these holdouts -- funds that got debt very cheaply. they want to be able to pay in full and the president said she will not be -- they never wanted to pay that, that's not something they would do. at the same time, though there has not been talking in the last few weeks, there has been negotiations, late yesterday the economy -- talks wrapped up. and they said they're talking again. the fact that the two sides are actually coming together is -- certainly people here in argentina were pretty skeptical when i was talking to them yesterday. but this morning, they talk about we just had this -- the last advice to avoid default. certainly the newspapers are

quite watching every single last minute to see what is going on. >> we have to leave it there. unfortunately we have some sound problems coming from your end, but i know i'll be talking to you in about 45 minutes time on the world business report, hopefully get the sound issue sorted out. i apologize for those. first there was google's self-driving car, already being road tested in the united states. then the chinese came along. the search engine, bay didu, ito is working on self-guided cars. today, the uk government joined the race announcing new measures for are driverless cars to be on british roads come january. that's january just around the corn, i corner, i'm talking about, 2015. is our transport about to be transformed or is this an idea that will never make it out of the garage? let's talk to professor david bailey from athens business school. he's a professor but i call him the car guru. great to have you on "gmt."

seriously, i know what the british roads are like, they're not bad, but they're not ready for driverless cars by january. >> you're certainly right. we're not going to see mass proud driverless cars. we may see the first cars tested next year, but the real commercial application for driverless cars won't come for a d decade. >> when we look at what is happening, google tested 300,000 miles, california, nevada, florida, all geared up for are it. we're a long way behind, aren't we? >> we are. we're losing out in the race. they have been tested in california, sweden, japan, and we would like to see this technology developed here in the uk. this is why the government is trying to open things up so we can test on public roads and see the technology developed here, maybe the industry develop in the future that produces the cars as well. we have been falling behind. >> when you talk of the technology, i'm curious, is it the same technology where we're all sharing or in the google car and what the uk government is

testing? >> it is similar kinds of technology. some have automated features in their cars. you can buy a car that parks itself, stays in the right lane, cruise control. has a lot of automated features. what this is about is about taking the driver out completely. you don't drive the car. or you can be doing something more useful like working or chatting to your partner or something. and you can make journeys much more pleasant. i think there could be a big social benefit from that as well in the sense that if you could hail a car on your smartphone and have a driverless taxi, you don't own a car in the city you get around more easily, less congestion. >> and also, david, i'm trying to get my head around this and i'm sure viewers around the world are perhaps thinking the same thing, won't these cars only work if they're on a motor way or freeway, where it is all driverless cars. i can't see -- >> there is going to be an interesting transition where there will be driverless cars and people driven cars and that will throw up a whole set of issues. one will be what if you're in an accident who is responsible?

the maker of the driverless car or the software company, or you? a whole set of legal issues to resolve, but an interesting transition where there will be both types of cars on the roads. in the long run, i think the driverless car will transform. >> all eyes on that. professor david bailey, great stuff. we appreciate it. thank you, mate. don't forget, follow me on twit, tweet me at bbc aaron. that's it. you're in the back seat, misbehaving, mom would go to you, dad, can you tell them, he would be drive and like this trying to smack your leg, but i'm thinking a driverless car, you have to be good because he could just turn around. >> that happened to me. i was an afternoon ngel in the of the car. i'm not buying it, though. i can't imagine a life with driverless cars yet. stay with us, still to come, the last surviving member of the plane crew that dropped the nuclear bomb on hiroshima has

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we have breaking news to bring you from israel. the ibf has been speaking to the bbc. the israeli coordinator of government activities in the territory has just announced that there is going to be a humanitarian cease-fire. this news coming to us in the past few minutes. it has been announced from 1500 to 1900 local time. that is 1300 to 1700 british standard time. some parts of the gaza strip, though, we understand will be excluded from the cease-fire. so only parts, certain parts of the gaza strip will have this

humanitarian cease-fire put in place. there is going to be between 1500 and 1900 local time. as soon as we have more on this, we'll bring it to you. the last surviving member of the air crew which struck the atomic bomb on hiroshima has died. theodore van kirk was 93. he was a navigator on board the enola gay, the plane which dropped the world's first atomic bomb on the japanese city. on august 6th, 1945. an estimated 140,000 people died. mr. van kirk sat for an interview in 2010 that he hoped atomic bombs would never be used again. >> one of the good things to come out of it, people have seen the devastation that atomic bombs can create. and keep in mind that our bombs were midgets compared to the ones they have today. but i want people to recognize

the dangers of a nuclear bomb and the fact that they can destroy the world, if they are released. i would hope that atomic bombs will never again be used for any reason. >> well, let's take you to bristol now. we speak to the author and documentarymaker gordon thomas, a friend of theodore van kirk and once took him on a visit to hiroshima. how did what happened to him on that day affect his life? gordon, can you hear me? >> i can hear you now. >> i was wondering how his life, theodore's life was affected by the enola gay mission. >> well, initially, of course, he and the pilot and the crew all became subject of a huge volume of hate mail. he was swamped with it when they came back from a mission in america, when they got back to america.

and this made him think he was involved in this. but gradually he came to realize that what they had done was not just the job of workers, but what he had done had helped to change the whole shape of world war ii. dutch, he was known as, he and paul, the pilot, had both flown in britain during the war with bomber command on missions into germany, quite amazing. he was then recalled to america to take part in the mission. his job as navigator was to navigate the plane to exact point of the target. so he had a key role in the plane.

a and dutch used to say, my god, i wouldn't take my mother on a mission like this. but he eventually changed his attitude toward the mission. and when i met him and interviewed him for some time, and after last year we had planned to go back, he and i, to hiroshima, to see what was happening there. >> because you have been before with him to hiroshima. what was his response when he went there for first time? >> we went to the peace park in hiroshima, and there were a group of ladies cleaning the gardens, as they do all the time. and i asked the translator to ask them what do they feel if they knew who i was with. who is he? i said, he is the bomber, the navigator, the bomber. we killed him. i told him, they said they want to kill you. he said, my god, what am i doing

there. >> gordon thomas, thank you for joining us. i'm sorry to are to cut it short there. just to bring you more breaking news, we're getting on this partial cease-fire in gaza, eight districts of gaza, we understand. more details coming up in the next few minutes here on "bbc world news." thanks for being with us on "gmt."

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