hello you're watching "gmt" on bbc world news. our top story, the push for peace in ukraine. the leaders of france and germany head to russia to appeal to president putin. after days of conflict government forces and rebels agree a humanitarian truce around a key town. debaltseve has become too dangerous to most civilians. most simply decided they have to get out and leave for their own safety. >> thousands of jordanians march through the capital amman in support of their government fight against islamic state. ghana describes its africa

cup of nations semifinal against equatorial guinea as being like a war zone after its winning players were targeted by the home fans. >> these are some of the ones i found a mirror a broken plate, and this one of dozens hundreds of stones thrown their way. also in the program, looking at how the ongoing conflict? ukraine is devastating its economy. >> it is a mess. the country is in its deepest recession since world war ii. the value of its currency has fallen off a cliff and the ukraine government is spending $8 million fighting the rebels. stay tuned because we're going to find out whether or not the ukrainian economy is beyond reviving. it's 12:00 p.m. in london 7:00 a.m. in washington, 3:00 p.m. ins moscow. where the french president

francois hollande and german chancellor, angela merkel will hold talks to try to end the escalating fighting in eastern ukraine. they're meeting with president vladimir putin follows their talks in kiev where a new peace plan was presented. the u.s. secretary of state john kerry was also in kiev on thursday. he said the u.s. wants a diplomatic solution, but will not close its eyes to russian aggression. now today, he's in munich with nato's secretary general and the russian foreign minister. but as both sets of talks get under way the violence is worsening in eastern ukraine where the town of debaltseve has been under attack from pro-russian rebels. see here the territory controlled by the rebels shaded in orange. debaltseve is a key transport hub. it connects the rebel-held areas of donestk and luhansk and see the main railway line here. a temporary cease-fire is now said to be in force around debaltseve. our correspondent james reynolds has been inside the town. he sent us this report.

>> reporter: the road to debaltseve is almost empty. the ukrainian army orders us to drive it as quickly as we can. rebels have nearly encircled the town. this is the only way in. we find almost no one on the streets. from the center of town, we hear the boom of artillery fire. the army takes us to visit a bomb shelter in the basement of a music academy. one family takes refuge here. the older man, alexander, under a blanket, is too weak to be moved. debaltseve has become too dangerous to most civilians.

most simply decided they have to get out and leave for their own safety. the ukrainian army is determined to hold this town. it's vitally important if the government is to stop the rebels from gaining better ground. ali is getting ready to leave with her 80-year-old father nicoli. >> translator: the past two weeks have been especially awful, terrifying. there's bombing day and night. we just want to live and for our children to have a life. >> reporter: the military bus takes them and others out of town. towards the front line in debaltseve, ukrainian soldiers hold their positions against rebels on the horizon. the smoke is from outgoing ukrainian fire.

52-year-old yevgen has given us -- up his job as a doctor on a cruise ship to serve as a military surgeon. >> this is my home, right. everybody come to my home, right. they are guests. they welcome always. but if somebody come in my house and starts dictating, do this, do this, what am i going to do? i'll take the gun and shoot him. # >> reporter: soldiers cheer themselves off. but their government may be less optimistic. in order to hold its ground here and elsewhere, ukraine says it has to get better weapons from the west. it can't beat russia on its own. james reynolds, bbc news, debaltseve. from moscow i'm joined by mikhail, a russian political analyst and with me in the studio the former british ambassador to russia sir andrew

wood. welcome both. mikhail, can i ask you, when we look at the talks to come with president putin will there have to be an agreement that you think the separatists have gained ground? >> well, it's a possibility clearly that all sides and especially western mediators and kiev will agree to this extended territory captured by rebels but i think it will only come at great costs to the rebels and i'm not sure whether both the rebels and russia would agree to international monitoring of the border between russia and the eastern parts of ukraine. so if the cost is going to be that, then i have doubts about even a cease-fire reached at this particular moment. >> let's move to andrew wood. do you think a breakthrough is

possible likely? >> it's always possible but the condition just mentioned not being acceptable to russia would be the central condition. without a document or prohibition on import of land weapons, money, from russia to eastern ukraine, nothing is going to work. >> there would have to be an agreement, an acknowledgement, by moscow that it is sending men and weapons. >> yes. >> so far that has not been agreed? >> no. and that is one of the roots of the trouble. it's an absurd pretense. >> what are your thoughts on that, because president putin, in fact, the russian government as a whole, continues to deny there are any more than russian volunteers over the border? >> yeah i think a cease-fire or a longer term settlement may

reveal without russian acknowledging direct involvement in that conflict although it is, indeed difficult and problematic. i could think of something like for mallizing russian presence as part of some peacekeeping force in those separatist republics in return for international monitoring of the border. i don't have any insider information, but i think it might involve -- the the negotiations might revolve around something like this and whether it's going to be acceptable to russia depends on russia's assessment of its own risks and its -- how russian form lates its goals in this conflict which is difficult to figure out even for me here. >> mikhail, the ukrainian prime minister has said the territorial integrity of ukraine is a key bottom line. is that something that's accepted in moscow? >> yes. i think that is accepted in

moscow, and there has never been deviation from that line. what is more difficult is to ensure control over the border and also to establish a road map whereby those regions would somehow fall under eventually the control of the central government, to which extent that is acceptable to the rebels and to russia is i think an open question. but russia has never said it wants independence over those separatist regions because that is going to be a huge burden on everyone, including, of course russia in that particular situation. >> perhaps especially at a time when the ukrainian economy is -- seems to be sliding so fast. so andrew what do you divine as mr. putin's intentions here his goals? >> to get what he can, putting it crudely and easily. he has actually taken on huge

risk in what he's been doing in eastern ukraine, because the cost to him and crimea is comfortable, the cost of donestk would be greater, which is, of course, one reason why he says territorial integrity. i think the idea of international peacekeeping would be -- would require careful examination, if there were international peacekeepers of russian origin in the north of georgia, for example. >> what if american arms enter the equation if america gives the ukrainian army substantially more than it's getting now, how does that alter things do you think? >> well to the extent that it -- the contest is now as to who is best placed to impose a military solution, which is what russia is trying to do of course it would change that

balance. not depend on what sort the quantity and so on the speed with which they could arrive and the ability of the ukrainian forces to use them. i think it's inevitable that is now under discussion. what the americans will decide and what the europeans will think about are two things which are unknown. >> and we'll follow that up today. sir andrew wood thank you very much. mikhail troyski in pos cou, thank you for joining us. now, in other news investigators in taiwan say both engines lost power on the transasia airways plane that crashed this week. one engine lost power seconds after takeoff setting off an alarm. shortly afterwards the other engine was shut down manually and it's not yet clear why. officials say that so far nothing has been ruled out. at least 35 people were killed when the plane came down in a river. several others are still missing. at least 17 people have been killed in a fire in a shopping center in southern china.

the fire started in a four story building in the province of guangdong and it took nearly 300 firefighters and 45 fire engines several hours to bring the blaze under control. nigeria says it will hold its presidential election next saturday as scheduled. the decision to press ahead was taken after a seven-hour meeting in the capital abuja. no polling stations will be set up in many parts of the northeast of the country where, of course, the militant group boko haram holds sway. jordanians are out on the streets of the capital amman in a show of unity against so-called islamic state militants. thousands of people have been demonstrating their support for the family of the murdered air force pilot, moaz al kasasbeh. earlier in the week the islamists released a video of him being burned alive. in response jordan says its fighter planes have been bombing i.s. targets in syria and iraq in what it says is just the beginning of its retaliation. let's go to our correspondent

jim muir live in amman for us. can you tell us something about the rally and what's being said in the mosques today, it's friday prayers? >> that's right. yes, down here in the center of amman, there's been a lot of passion, a lot of anger being expressed on the streets here after friday prayers, around the side there, thousands of people came pouring out of the street here wheres there's been rallies in the square just behind me here. it's starting to disperse but it was quite intense. many thousands of people taking part. all with the same message that basically jordan has to concentrate, has to unify against these what they call monsters or animals of the islamic state. among the crowd queen ranya, the sovereign's wife who had come down among the people. she said today i'm just an ordinary jordanian and we all have to rally around what will be a long-term struggle to regain our religion as she put it because they believe it's been hijacked by i.s. claiming

to be the pure islamists and so on a struggle which will need as much international support and aid as they can possibly get. that sums up the wishes or feelings of people out here on the streets today. if there are still people around who are basically still support or sympathize with i.s. or, indeed critical of jordan's involvement with the coalition, then their voices at least at the moment have been drowned out by the chorus of people who want to support the flag support the nation support the king and support the army and the air force in hitting back as strong as possible against i.s. the military have said very clearly they will keep hitting until i.s. is destroyed. >> jim muir in amman where we can tell the streets are very busy behind you, thanks for bringing us up to date there. do stay with us on "bbc world news." still to come, like a war zone. one eyewitness account of the violence that marred the africa cup of nations. we'll find out what went wrong.

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the new greek finance minister yanis varoufakis came away with very little from his meeting with his german counterpart wolfgang schaeuble on thursday. germany remains the strongest opponent among eurozone countries to the greek's government plan to renegotiate the terms of its bailout. if economic arguments don't work how about emotional or historical ones? in an interview with german television mr. varoufakis compared greece's plight to that of germany. if you human late a proud nation for too long, and subject it to the worry of a debt deflation crisis, without light at the end of a tunnel then things come to the boil. well let's get a little more on reaction from our correspondent in berlin damon mcginniss. what reaction has there been? >> well what we can say, is that today's papers is all about

mr. varoufakis because he has pretty much a cult following here in germany among left wing supporters and trade unions. what's very interesting about these particulars historical analogies he made on german television yesterday is there's been very little outrage as such. while there's a feeling here it's just not very wise on one hand germans have been used to much worse comments after all we've seen protesters in greece showing pictures holding up pictures of mrs. merkel as hitler, so germans have been used to much more than yesterday's comments on the other hand i think most people here or a lot commentate in today's papers think if mr. varoufakis wants help from germany and particularly financial help and leeway from germany, is just not particularly wise to bring in the nazi era and it's not particularly constructive approach. a lot of commentators here see him as quite confrontational rather than cooling. you can see that in the comments about his clothing.

he's been referred in today's papers to looking like a street fighter or a man going to the pub, rather than someone who's going to meet a minister in another country. so all of this is really seemed to exacerbate feelings against greece's position because in general in germany there's a lot of understanding that greece needs help. you have to remember it's a very pro-european country and most don't want the euro to break up. >> fascinating reaction there. thank you very much. now he's just 18 months in the job but australian prime minister tony abbott is facing a leadership challenge with a possibility of a party vote on his future next tuesday. with an approval rating of less than 30% the pm is unpopular with australians who believe he's failed to make good on his election promises and his recent decision to award a knighthood to the duke of edinburgh didn't help. our report from sydney. >> reporter: it's less than 18 months since tony abbott came to

power. but the swagger of his early days in office is long gone. this week, there's been much speculation of a coup within his own party. this morning, as he toured a factory, mr. abbott was trying to send a message of business as usual, hoping a vote on his leadership could be avoided when the party meets next week. >> we are going to get on with government next week and the last thing that you'll see from me is any deliberate distractions. there will be no deliberate distractions from me and i'm certainly expecting that we will have a strong and constructive party meeting next tuesday. that's what we normally do and that's what i expect will happen next week. >> reporter: but just hours later, the liberal mp luke simkins formally asked for a leadership vote next tuesday. politics in australia can be a ruthless business. the previous labor government went under largely because of infighting between kevin ruud

and julia gillard who managed to oust each other for the top job. mr. abbott urged his own party not to make the same mistake. >> we are not the labor party. we are not the labor party and we are not going to repeat the chaos and instability of the labor years. so i have spoken to deputy leader julie bishop and we will stand together in urging the party room to defeat this particular motion. >> reporter: since he was elected mr. abbott has struggled to get much of his agenda off the ground. it was the decision to award prince philip a knighthood that may prove to be his downfall. the move was almost universally criticized here. he was ridiculed on social media and it led to accusations that the prime minister was out of touch with his party and his people. many believe the most likely to

challenge for the leadership is malcolm turnball the communications minister. over the weekend, liberal party mps and senators will be making a calculation, do they have the best chance of winning the next election during 2016 with mr. abbott or without him? john donson, bbc news, sydney. it should have been a night of celebration, ghana's national football team making it through to a record ninth africa cup of nations final after beating host equatorial guinea 3-0 instead it was a nice of violence as players and fans were pelted with bottles, rocks, chairs ripped from the stands by a hostile home crowd causing play to be suspended 30 minutes. pierce edwards has this report. >> reporter: riot police in the stands, injured fans sheltering on the pitch, missiles thrown, and a high-profile game suspended for over 30 minutes. this was a night of shame for football.

>> this conduct of the football fans is the highest bar barism. we are talking about ghana's win. we are talking about the misbehavior of fans. so it has taken the shine away from our win. >> reporter: home fans streamed out of the stadium after ghana scored the third goal. those who stayed behind pelted the stars bench and their fans with a variety of missiles. >> we had to run for shelter and that's why we broke the gate and went on the field. >> when you say you broke the gate does that mean you forced it open? >> we forced it open. the police wouldn't allow us, but we forced it open. >> it's no good. imagine people are in the hospital now. >> there's no security. this is absolute shambles. >> reporter: as fans scrambled to leave, the confederation of

african football cast refused to comment on the troubles. meanwhile rioting from home fans spread on to the streets outside the stadium on a night when equatorial guinea's fine hosting of the nation's cup went up in smoke and tear gas too. >> translator: i hope fifa can forgive us for our mistakes, because our fans behaved very badly. >> reporter: the night is almost over for the ghana fans behind me, but it should have been one of joy. instead, of course, it turned sour. after all the objects that were thrown at them and these are just some of the ones, a mirror, would you believe, a broken plate, and this, one of dozens, hundreds of stones thrown their way. they have a major decision to make. are they prepared to travel to sunday's final against ivory coast in the nation's cup or are they going to stay home and stay away from what should be a showcase and joyous event. for bbc news this is pierce edwards. >> the eruption of trouble sparked a strong reaction on social media as you might

imagine. the haitian musician and politician wycleaf jean who supports ghana tweeted his dismay saying the tournament has come to a shameful halt by the home fans. african football deserves better. on facebook equatorial guinea has no place in football they should be banned for life. tony took to facebook saying given the chance to host and you behave like this? this isn't done. very barbaric. now we have rather amazing pictures from southern california. this is what happened. a local college student who reportedly stayed up all night for a test fell asleep at the wheel of his car on thursday and crashed into a fire hydrant in los angeles causing this geyser. the water spout reaching 20 meters or so. police will calculate the amount of water lost and then bill the unfortunate driver. and coming up up in the next half hour in "gmt," can a

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"bbc world news." in this half hour the shuttle diplomacy ramps up with key meetings in moscow and munich. can world leaders find common ground on ukraine? getting out the clutter. we investigate the meaning of the stuffed paradox. also in the program our very own hollywood walk of famer aaron is looking at the business of tinseltown. >> see what you did there. it is a case of lights, camera action and cuts. oh, yes. more and more countries around the world are jumping on to the movie bandwagon a look at the

tax cuts and incentives they're offering to get those films made on their home turf. let's return now to our top story. german chancellor merkel says it's unclear whether talks in moscow will lead to a break through in resolving the crisis in ukraine. speaking ahead of the meeting chancellor merkel said a diplomatic solution is still the only way to end the conflict. she says she'll never deal with questions of territory over the head of another country. >> translator: we are convinced that there will be no military solution to this conflict but we also know that the question remains fully open whether he will succeed in achieving a cease-fire through these talks. we do not know if we will be successful today or through the talks. we do not know if the talks in moscow today will be long or

shorter, nor whether they will be the last talks. meaning we can only do what is in our power to do. the situation is fluid. in kiev on thursday we heard u.s. secretary of state john kerry say the u.s. wants a diplomatic solution, but will not close its eyes to russian aggression. he's in munich for talks with nato's secretary general and russia's foreign minister. with me the service news editor. the talks with mr. putin first, do you think there's any chance of a breakthrough here? >> it's hard to say, honestly hard to say, because the situation on the ground has changed. the separatists have an upper hand but in general they equal in strength and the technical backup to what the ukrainian army has. separatists will be able to gain

new ground and, you know, strengthen themselves and get prepared for such an offensive, which they will proceed with in the last few days if there wasn't backup and help from russia. >> if the russians if president putin says let's just freeze the conflict where it is no more push forward by the separatists, would that be acceptable to the other side? acceptable to ukraine? >> ukraine, the two things are quite important. one cease-fire, stop the fighting, and second territorial integrity. here the diplomacy will be playing the biggest role because what ukraine and the united states, as john kerry emphasized, one is to close the border with russia between russia and ukraine so that the separatist movement the separatists in eastern regions of russia and ukraine don't have that link with equipment and volunteers coming in all the time. >> how could that be monitored? >> well the -- there are

suggestions to have u.n. peacekeeping forces in there or observers on some of definitely two points observers present, but the whole border is not marked. >> it's porousurrousporous. >> it goes through all natural forests and rivers, you can pass at any point. >> if an agreement is made and ignored what recourse does ukraine, does washington have? >> well the important bit is we could see that russia speaks at the moment to germany and france and we can see that the u.s. and britain as well have been somewhat separated from that process, but we could see that on the background and the promise of the o'brien administration to decide whether to send defensive weapons to ukraine is still hanging there and the russians are really quite adamant they don't want that to happen. so there's a bit of a carrot and

stick situation. and all they can say to putin this is what's going to happen if you refuse the plane. it will hit ukraine hard and russia as well. >> do you think president putin is worried, concerned, scared about the prospect of more weapons from the states or not? >> he doesn't seem to at the moment. there are some speculations and reports that russia was using -- was testing some new weaponry in the eastern ukraine at the same time we could see that there's lots of volunteers and well prepared fighters going from russia to the separatist controlled part. high-class high-technology weapons used by the separatists, so that means that russia was well prepared and very much entrenched in donestk and luhansk provinces. >> thank you for talking that through with juice aaron is here with business, it's not the economy it's about arms too. >> absolutely. let me break it down and

explain. hello, look the ukrainep government isn't just battling the russian-backed separatists, it's also now fighting against a growing financial crisis. inflation is soaring, foreign cash reserves are running very low and the economy, listen to this the economy there is in its worst recession since world war ii. now yesterday on thursday boy, there was chaos as the national bank of ukraine abandoned attempts to prop up the country's currency leading to as massive slide in its value. let me show you because that slide prompted the country's central bank to raise the key interest rate by 5.5% to this that's their interest rate, 19.5s%, all in a bid to control inflation and make the currency more attractive. let's be quaint more attractive to investors. it worked to some extent but as you can see from the graph the ukrainian currency has fallen off a cliff. a massive long losing. there's the cliff. losing half of its value against

the dollar since the start of the unrest there last week. against the greenback. it's not just the currency that's affected byes the fighting because according to president poroshenko kiev spends some or up to $8 million a day fighting russian backed separatists. look, let's get more on this andy hunter the director of the ukrainian institute in london and joins us. great to have you with us on "gmt." can we start with the move by the central bank basically yesterday raising rates to a staggering 19.5%? correct me if i'm wrong when you're in a deep recession raising rates like that only can make matters worse when you should be cutting interest rates to revive or boost an economy. >> as you say, this is a war. ukraine is being invaded, the russian army is crossing the border it's a constant invasion so is having a massive hit on the economy and what the national bank and the central governments are focusing now is

trying to see what can be done to stabilize the economy in this most difficult time. i think it's looking now for the mid term long term and trying to get its currency has taken a massive hit but now it's stabilizing it for the mid term long term and then building for the future once this horrible war is over. >> well laws talk about that. at the moment we're seeing its foreign currency reserves there being almost depleted in front of our own very eyes. i think they have about close to $6.5 billion. how is the country going to fund itself? is it really left up to the imf? >> this stage, imf funding is very important. i think we saw, we're looking at figures of around $50 billion. but i mean if we compare that to greece, which greece was like six times bigger than that so the figures are big, but we've had seen bigger bailouts in europe over the last number of years. so yes, imf bailout is very important. ukraine is a big country, a very

important country in europe and i think for the whole european economy for the future it's very important that this -- that the imf does support this stage and build for the future. >> can i get this it's a particular interesting situation. if ukraine is dependent on the international monetary fund and its money some may suggest then the imf basically ends up supporting or funding the ukraine conflict? >> in terms of the imf, it's the bailout is bringing the economy back on to a level where the ukrainians like themselves can bring the economy forward. it's got great potential in terms of agriculture, in terms of information technologies, i.t. once the economy gets out of the shock state, i think this could be off. we've seen some latest figures and analysis yesterday over the next two years, ukraine economy could be back on track and could see excellent growth. so i think, you know, in the

short term, yes, i mean there's a war on. russia is invading ukraine. so of course we are seeing this as having massive effects on the economy, but it's now building for the future and the mid term and long term once this war is over, could be positive. >> okay. we certainly hope so. andy great stuff from you. appreciate your time andy honda from the ukrainian institute there. we're switching gears because it's that time of the year again. it is -- it's awards season with a host of top gongs up for grabs we're talking about the oscars likes of the baftas and film stars and movie producers are lining up lining up to give themselves a big pat on the back, but i tell you what behind the glitz and headlines there is a global economic battle going on. countries all around the world are vying to -- vying to offer tax breaks to get the film industry to move production to their shores and the stakes are high because global box office takings hit a new record high. in 2013 nearly $36 billion

fueled in large part by the explosive growth in china. more and more countries want a slice of that pie and one of the big success stories has been canada where ontario gives filmmakers a 35% rebate of costs plus an enhanced credit rate of 40% for first time producers. but hollywood, yeah it's not letting go easily. it is fighting back. last year, california tripled its tax breaks to keep film production in tinseltown. it gives back 20% in rebates. but with countries including south africa be hungary, czech republic all offering tax incentives competition to lure this most star-studded of creative industries is fierce. will this mean a race to the bottom? that's a question i asked paul brett, a director which well provides hundreds of millions of dollars of funding for independent movies. listen to this. >> not really because people really like coming to the uk.

the crews are very good the talent is great, the studio facilitisity facilitisities, belfast and pinewood are doubling over the next two years their capacity and people really like coming here to dos business. california is the place that's struggling because there are simply no big -- no big films shooting in hollywood anymore. it's all television. they all come here to work such as kenneth's cinderella which will have its world premier here next week. >> follow me on twitter tweet me at bbcaaron. that is it. my weekend begins. see you on monday. >> thank you very much. stay with us here on "bbc world news." still to come even if aaron is going, france's far right leader tells the bbc controlling immigration is vital in the fight against islamic extremists.

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. our top stories this hour. government forces and rebel fighters in eastern ukraine have agreed to a truce around the key town of debaltseve. the leaders of france and germany are due to meet president putin in moscow later to discuss a new peace plan. thousands of jordanians have marched through the capital amman in support of their government's fight against the islamic state. the choice of marine le pen at oxford university's famous debating society was always likely to be controversial and so it proved on thursday night as hundreds of demonstrators turned up to protest at the venue. the french far right leader is likely to run for the presidency in two years. she told the bbc's hugh edwards about the values she thinks are most important to france. >> translator: liberty when confronted with terrorist

attack, i think when we lose this liberty we realize its value and the desire we have to fight for it. >> when you say losing liberty how dough you mean? >> what you realize is that these attacks against our country here in france want to silence us want to deprive us of our liberty to live as we want according to our value ss and it is through that this loss of liberty is terrorism because to live in fear is already to lose one's liberty. >> what is the response? what should the response be? >> translator: firstly, i would say that the responsibility lies with our leaders and their coward cowards. they have reservations and complexes, but stop them dealing with mass immigration. this has created the perfect conditions for the segregated communities within our country.

in fact it is in the segregated communities that the problem of islamic fundamentalism starts. we are frightened to use the right words to describe it. >> which words? which words are you saying that you are using that other people are not using? which ares those words? >> translator: both the president and the former president of the french republic mr. hollande and mr. sarkozy, took several days to dare to use the term of islamic fundamentalism. even your channel refuses to talk about terrorism, talking about killers and gunmen instead. >> within minutes of the attack in paris at "charlie hebdo," lots of the media, including the british media were using the words terrorism immediately. so your charge there surely is not correct. people are using the words. >> translator: no. it is not just about a terrorist

attack. it is about the fact we are under attack from islamic fund mentalism and this is developing in our country, taking root and spreading across the territory. it is an internal threat not just an external one. and i repeat it is about finding the right words to describe it so we can fight it effectively. >> what does that mean the most effective way of taking the fight to them? what does that mean in practical terms if. >> translator: what i have observed is that our leaders have responded inadequate even ridiculous ways to the problem. >> what would you do? >> translator: let me continue. the website stopped jihadism is hardly going to strike fear in the hearts of islamic fundamentalists. we need a global response. >> when you've drawn a clear link between immigration, levels of immigration and terrorist acts, are you surprised that people turn around and say to you, that is a message which is

deeply damaging? it's not correct to link those two things? >> translator: what we are saying is that too much immigration, uncontrolled immigration, in proportions that make it difficult for us to assimilate people, creates the perfect conditions for segregated communities who live by laws which are sometimes -- in fact, let's be honest often contradict the laws of the french republic. it is in this kind of house environment that islamic fundamentalism can thrive. >> when you say stop immigration, you mean totally stop it? >> translator: we say that we have to limit immigration to 10,000 a year. at the moment it stands at 200,000 a year. but we have 6 million unemployed unemployed, 10 million living in poverty, so what do we have to

offer to the hundreds of thousands of people on our shores. do we put them in ghettos or particular neighborhoods where we are basically handing them over to gangs and the mafia. no. it's not right. neither for the french or these new arrivals. >> why did you compare muslims praying in the streets of france with the occupation of the nazis in the second world car?war? was that a comparison you now regret? >> translator: no. i don't regret it at all. i do not regret it. in france, occupying a public space like that is called an illegal occupation. people who pray in the streets are not doing it because they don't have a mosque. i don't believe that. that is a lie. those who are doing this are not doing it as a political act and on a country and population who have not chosen and also to impose it in this way that is very physical through their presence in the streets, is in

my opinion, uncontestbly an offense. >> what kind of a france would a muslim live in if you were in power? >> translator: those we need to ask to leave are foreign nationals without a job. we can no longer take care of people who don't have french nationality and are unemployed. this would purely be for financial reasons. secondly, those are who are foreign nationals who have committed crimes. we have no reason to keep people here who do not respect our laws. and finally, i think we have to change our nationality laws. i am totally opposed to this idea that nationality can just be an automatic right. >> when you arrived today there is a protest out side. there are lots of protests you see the words fascist, racist islamiyah phobic what is your

response to that? >> translator: i believe these people are deliberately attacking my reputation and i refute the notion that i am an islamiyah phobe, a racist fascist, who knows what. i am deeply attached to the notion of democracy but i'm not sure they are because my freedom of speech, in fact, freedom of speech is one of the great values that we must uphold. >> thank you very much. speaking to the bbc's hugh edwards. now to a problem known as the stuff paradox. this is a term used to describe why a large number of americans have so many possessions they don't know what to do with them while on the other end of the scale some hardly own anything at all. it's a paradox that's a visible example of the growing wealth gap which the bbc has been exploring in its series "a richer world." jane o'brian looks at how unwanted stuff can help those in need. >> reporter: keri is moving

house downsizing to a city apartment and that means dealing with all the stuff she and her family have accumulated over the last 16 years. >> this is the stuff that we're keeping and putting into storage. >> reporter: if people didn't buy things, the u.s. economy would probably collapse. but there is a backlash to consumerism. a growing number of americans, like keri, are trying to live with less. >> what do you do with it? does it just gather dust and you keep it or hoard it or, you know, just have it to have it or use it? is it functional? so i think that's part of the lens that you have to use in making these decisions about what to keep and what to, you know, give away this is the table we will be donating to wider circle, one of the first items that we purchased as newlyweds and sort of building your home. it's the piece that i feel we can pass on. >> reporter: but you've had it for such a long time and it must have so many memories. >> yes. >> reporter: how difficult was it to let go? >> part of it was difficult in terms of making that decision

and part of it was able to see that it would go on to be used and not just collecting dust. >> reporter: a wider circle is a charity that redistributes stuff to people who don't have anything. staff are kept busy because washington has one of the biggest wealth gaps in the country. >> stuff is much more than stuff. stuff touches on our emotional and spirit actual states. that's what i see happening, when we transfer items from one family to another we change everything about that family that gets it and then we also change everything about the family that gives it. >> reporter: 18% of people in washington live in poverty, well above the national average. every day the charity's warehouse empties. >> this is your dining room table. >> wow, that is beautiful. >> reporter: but can keri's table really make a difference? meet april johnson, a single mother of five who says she lost everything when her landlord sold her apartment. for the last six months, she and her children have been staying at her mother's house. >> it's really hard.

once you're used to having your own and then all of a sudden you have to give it all up and then to live with someone else, especially when you have children, it's really hard. i dealt with it and i prayed. >> all right. you can place the table right here. >> reporter: april now has a new home and so does keri's table. >> so april, it's here. what difference does having a table make to you? >> now we can sit down and have a dipper as a family. rather than sitting on the floor eating. >> reporter: keri's table has been the focal point for one family, now it's april's table and its new life begins. jane o'brian, bbc news washington. that's all from "gmt" for today. you can always find me on twitter @bbc. coming up on "impact". >> hi. thank you very much. we are going to be looking at the stuff paradox that jane

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