hello. i'm david eades with bbc world news. our top stories. french sources have said the cockpit voice recorder on the germanwings flight which crashed in the alps suggests one pilot was locked out of the flight deck. a silent tribute to the 16 german students and their two teachers who perished in the crash. iran speaks out against saudi arabia after it launches a series of air strikes against houthi rebels in yemen. the economic fallout of that operation, the price of crude oil jumps 6%. also we're live in delhi,

has india takes on australia in the cricket world cup semi-final in sydney. hello and thanks for joining us. relatives of victims from the germanwings flight which crashed in the french alps are themselves flying from both barcelona and dusseldorf to reach the site of the accident. as they make their way there, reports have emerged that the black box audio recordings from flight 9525 point to one pilot being locked out of the cockpit before the plane came down. those are sources close to the investigation. let's go over to seynes-les-alps now and join tim willcox. >> potentially dramatic and

alarming developments in the case of this crashed airbus in the last few hours. two news outlets reporting sources close to the investigation saying that one of the pilots left the cockpit just as the aircraft was reaching its maximum altitude of 38,000 feet. according to "the new york times," as well as the french news agency, one pilot left the cockpit before the plane went into that rapid descent. it also reports the source as saying the pilot could not get back into the cockpit. the unidentified investigator quoted by "the new york times," also a military source is quoted as saying the guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer. the source continues. and then he hits the door stronger and no answer. there is never an answer. well neither the french

authorities or the german or indeed lufthansa will confirm these latest dramatic developments, just as the relatives of the dead passengers arrive in france. lufthansa did say that the co-pilot aboard that doomed flight had just 630 hours flying experience having been trained and qualifying in 2013 whereas the main pilot had ten years' experience and 6,000 flying hours under his belt. all this as dozens of victims' relatives arrive in france. they've landed in the past few minutes, and make their way towards the crash site here in seynes-les-alps. the crash site itself five miles behind me. the weather conditions much better today, but it will be more alarming more troubling, more traumatic news for these relatives as they make their way here. let's get all the latest developments. this report by lisa hempele.

>> reporter: experts in paris have been gathering material from the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder. "the new york times" and a french news agency are both claiming that it shows one of the aircraft's pilots left the cockpit and was then unable to get back in before the airbus crashed. these pictures show inside the cabin of another airbus a-230. it's claimed the pilot was outside the cockpit, knocking repeatedly, but there was no answer. >> obviously, the person leaving must have said something to the other crew member, there must be voices recorded as well, which will explain to some degree, at least, what was going on, what was happening. and that information, well, there is now much greater pressure for some full statement, official statement to be released. >> reporter: lufthansa says the

co-piloted joined germanwings in 2013, directly after training. the captain had more than 6,000 hours of flying time. the families of the dead are traveling to the crash site. those in barcelona chose not to fly. the german relatives left from dusseldorf airport. around 100 people from both groups are to visit the site. they'll go to the small french town, which is now the hub of a major aircraft investigation. as they do so, experts have been pointing out that claims that one of the pilots left the cockpit before the crash are unconfirmed. lufthansa says flight deck procedures, which are in line with german law, do allow crew to leave the cockpit for short periods. back in the german town of hallton, pupils and staff, who lost 16 classmates and 2 teachers, have been holding a minute of silence. today may bring more clues

including more details about what's on the voice recorder. lisa hampele, bbc news. >> let's go to our correspondent, anna holligan. how many people left today on what will be an incredibly harrowing journey for them. >> reporter: one of the hardest journeys of their life i imagine. we saw 15 families passing through dusseldorf earlier today. they all looked completely traumatized. some of them are wiping their eyes, others trying to hide their faces from the camera. and a couple of hours ago, we had a minute of silence here also at dusseldorf airport. this of course was the intended destination for that flight. and they marked that moment at 10:53, the time of which the airplane is understood to have lost contact with air traffic control. and of course at that german school, that lost 16 schoolchildren on this flight. i've been speaking to lufthansa in the last couple of minutes. they are due to hold a press

conference this afternoon in colone. and i asked about the pilots, will they would be revealing anymore details about the pilots, the pilot and the co-pilot. and they said probably not and i asked them why is the that they haven't revealed those details yet. they've only given the details of their flying experience their duration their time with the company so far. and they said that this is standard procedure. but they said it will be worth watching what's said this afternoon. >> and do we know if there are flights later on for these relatives to come back wherever they want, or are they expected to be here for a few days in the south of france? >> reporter: these relatives, the relatives of the 160 people who are on board, some of whom still haven't informed lufthansa, we don't know whether

they'll have special flights to come back wherever they feel like it. some may be too traumatized to go to the gate itself. we understand there is due to be a service where you are this evening, for some of those relatives. lufthansa say that they are arranging accommodations for some of those who wish to stay at the site and they should arrive there in the early afternoon. we were speaking to a psychologist here yesterday, a psychologist who helped with these relatives, giving them counseling, she saw 30 yesterday, and she said the advice differs if it's a good idea to travel to this location. the biggest and hardest question for all of them these reports of what may or may not have happened in the cockpit in those lost eight minutes, as the plane flew into the alpine mountainside, it's the hardest one for them to deal with. and they probably won't get the answers there, but at least they

are doing something. >> anna holligan in dusseldorf, thank you very much indeed. let's go to barcelona. we can speak to our correspondent there, bethany bell. some spaniards decided they just couldn't face an air trip. but how many people did take that flight? >> we were told that over 60 people, friends and relatives, took the flight from barcelona to marseille this morning. we understand that once they're in marseille, they'll be taken by bus towards the crash site. now, lufthansa has told us that they are working very much with wishes of the relatives and friends in mind and that they are preparing for them to stay overnight near the crash site if they wish to but they are also preparing a flight back to barcelona this evening, if they want to return home. i think it will be very much up to the individual as to what

they decide they want to do. and we saw about several dozen of those relatives coming into barcelona this morning, to take that flight. and the strain of this appalling and difficult situation was very very clearly showing on their faces. that there were lots of counseling teams with them members of the red cross and the big police presence to make sure that members of the media and the public couldn't come close to them. >> not sure you can hear me over the sound of these helicopters just coming back from the crash site itself but there are, we understand, dozens of bodies still left on that site and they will need to be matched, dna wise with the victim's families. has that process already started in spain, as far as you're aware, in terms of giving dna samples? >> yes, it has begun. we were told yesterday by the police that they had taken dna

samples from at least 30 people and that they were continuing to do that. because once they have those dna samples, when they do eventually find the bodies then they will be able to start the process of identification. but the authorities here were warning that it's going to be a very very long drawn-out process. and in fact, they were saying they were advising some of the relatives that perhaps it's not the best idea to travel to stay at the crash site for a very long time given how long it's going to take for the recovery process to take place. and that we understand, is also why there may be some people who may decide to fly back tonight, but lufthansa and the authorities saying that their main aim now is to try to support the relatives and friends as much as they possibly can. and we've also heard from the spanish interior ministry recently saying that they sent six police officials to join the

investigation, to take part in that in france and that they are also working to do their best to support the friends and relatives, both those who have gone and those who have decided to remain in spain. >> i mean a lot of confusion still, bethany, about the nationalities on this flight. we've had so many different versions of the manifest it does seem that there were more spainniards onboard that doomed plane than was originally thought. >> yes, the interior ministry saying quite recently in the last hour or two that they believe around 50 spanish people were on board that flight and there was also another person on that flight who wasn't a spanish national, but who had lived in spain for 20 years. so this is something that is very much been seen here as a national tragedy. spain is still observing three days of national mourning were declared in the wake of this

crash. and people are looking around very much for explanations. and of course this speculation about what may have happened in the cockpit are just making things very very much harder for many many people here. but the government saying it is working with the authorities, in france and in germany, the ceo of lufthansa came here last night, because he said he wanted to personally express his sympathy not just with the relatives and friends, but with the people of spain in general. so there is i think, a sense of people gathering around and trying to do what they can, in this investigation, which all say, though will be a long process. >> yeah thank you. a few difficult days ahead. in fact, months or years for these victims' families. bethany, thank you so much indeed. you can probably see from the weather here that conditions are much better as far as those investigation teams are concerned and for the recovery of the bodies and the wreckage

of the plane. a few clouds over the mountains, but the sun is shining. i think cons grew s grews grewcongrous setting, really. back to you in london. >> tim willcox. iran has described the saudi air strikes son targets in yemen as a dangerous step that will worsen the crisis there. the comment by the foreign ministry follows attacks on shia houthi rebels in yemen, who are believed to enjoy the backing of tehran. the rebels are closing in on the second city, aidan, where president hadi has been staying. his whereabouts are still unclear at this point. the saudis say they are part of a coalition of countries, trying to prevent yemen being overrun by the rebels. ben bland reports. >> reporter: neighbors near the yemeni capital, sanaa, controlled by the houthi rebels the target of air strikes led by saudi arabia. these pictures are from a houthi

television channel, which is also reporting ten civilian casualties. the strike began because of fears that the rebels could take control of the whole country, prompting yemen's neighbors in the gulf to respond to the government's calls to military help. the kingdom is a large military operation in yemen. the objective is to defend the legitimate government of president hadi from the takeover attempts by the houthi militias in yemen. we have a coalition of over ten countries that will participate in these operations to prevent yemen from falling at the hands of the houthi. >> one source is reporting numbers of troops and planes which, if correct, suggest a substantial military operation. the rebels have control of the capital, sanaa. last month, the president, abd ra bah mansour hadi fled to the south.

the rebels then took control of aden airport, but it has now been recaptured by troops loyal to the president. the speed at which the houthis were advancing led the yemeni government to ask neighboring states for help, fearing the situation was getting out of control. meanwhile on wednesday, the president fled his palace in aden, but there is uncertainty about where he is. some reports suggest that he had left the country, but his supporters insist he is still there and running yemen. ben bland, bbc news. >> well on that story, we have some breaking news as we're getting reports from a military source that's confirmed that egyptian naval forces have increased their presence in the red sea to protect the entrance to the suez canal. the source added that the armed forces have been preparing for any attacks on the red seacoast in coordination with their allied neighbors. it's understood four egyptian warships are moving into the area there. okay. let's catch up with aaron now.

he's with me in the studio looking at oil. >> what you've been mentioning there, geopolitical tensions, markets absolutely hate all of that. let's start with the price of oil. it has been surging overnight, after, as you've been hearing, saudi arabia began their military operation against the houthi rebels in yemen. yemen itself got to say, not a big player in the energy market but the fear is very much of the conflict spreading more widely in the region. let's take a look at what's been happening in the markets, because in the last few hours, brent crude futures jumped to this, $59.71 a barrel. that is some 6% a 6% rise although it has since come down just a pinch. now, as well as oil, the middle east is also the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas from the likes of qatar, as well as yemen. european importers may be concerned as arab producers have to ship oil past yemen's coastline, of the gulf of aden to get to the suez canal.

now, the waters between yemen and jabuti only 40 kilometers wide. its closure right here may keep tankers from reaching the suez canal and the pipeline having to divert them around to the southern tip of africa. that adds transit time of course, and it adds costs. we're keeping our eyes on that. let me get this one. top business leaders and policy makers are gathering on the southern chinese island of hainan for the boao forum. it was created 14 years ago to bring asian countries close to their economic goals. that is it with the business for now. david, back to you. >> excellent, aaron. thank you very much. coming up in a moment american coalition war planes bombed the iraqi city of tikrit in the battle against islamic state. we'll have more on that.

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you're watching bbc world news. i'm david eades. the latest headlines. french sources say the voice recorder from the airline that crashed in the alps on tuesday suggests one of the pilots may have been locked out of the cockpit in the moments before the disaster. there have been reports of casualties in the yemeni capital of sanaa, following saudi arabian air strikes. the kingdom says it has intervened in its southern neighbor to prevent it being overtaken by shia rebels backed by iran. just got a bit of breaking news here. it's coming from sydney. it's in the world cup cricket and australia have beaten india by 95 runs. so it will be an australia versus new zealand final, as australia beat india in the semi-final. okay u.s.-led coalition war planes have attacked islamic state positions in the iraqi city of tikrit targeting presidential palaces, where it's believed i.s. leaders have their

headquarters. iraqi government forces and iranian-backed militia have been trying to retake tikrit for a number of weeks now. this is the first time the united states has become involved in the operation. we can get the latest now from iraq. rami is in baghdad. perhaps you could explain why it's proving so difficult to take back tikrit? >> well from what we gather it's the fierce resistance that's been put up by those fighters of islamic state, who remain inside the city. that's probably the main cause. we've been hearing lots about booby traps along the road which have hampered the advance of iraqi forces as well as their shia militia allies. and also snipers inside and simply the decision taken, it seems, by islamic state, to stay and to fight this until the end. this fight being hampered by the

iraqi air force, as well as the advance from the ground by the shia militias and the iraqi army. >> we're just having a look at some of the pictures that have been put out of those air strikes. very clearly targeted, as we see there. should we expect very briefly, should we expect more american-led strikes? >> reporter: yes, most likely. and of course, the americans are portraying this as their first entry into the tikrit battle that may be so in terms of direct participation in this particular battle, but the americans have been bombing areas, other areas in iraq, and that has had an effect of course on islamic state's ability to reinforce in tikrit. >> thanks, very much indeed. now, that furor over the bbc "top gear" presenter who led on wednesday to losing his job, it

rumbles on on social media. the producer at the center of the row has been receiving abuse on twitter, but some social media users are now criticizing the people who are attacking there timen. the clarkson story is not the only news of an entertainment departure causing quite a stir on the internet. our social media producer louise hosey is here. where do you want to start? one direction or the other direction? you pick. >> well, i think looking at the jeremy clarkson situation, you know this is a story that's attracted huge media attention on social media, talking about a program that people loves across the world. and everyone has been waiting to see what action the bbc would take. it was announced yesterday that clarkson's contract wouldn't be renewed, there was this huge reaction on social media, and opinions seem to be split on whether it was the right decision. one strand of the story that has been getting a lot of attention is the treatment on social media of this producer.

some of it has been so vitriolic, so strong that we can't actually really show some of the examples of the online abuse that he's been receiving. >> it's extraordinary, because he's been basically completely cleared, even by clarkson actually. >> that's right. and what we have seen in the last 24 hours is a lot of people going on social media to condemn these twitter trolls. we have a few examples of people that have been tweeting. for example, we see this tweet, anyone sending vile tweets should be utterly ashamed. how has the victim in this debate become a target? and kathy marson tweets i despise the abuse being leveled at oisin tymon. >> and one direction, it's gone into a meltdown.

>> the member that left has 40 million followers. the main trending is the hashtag, all in our hearts zane malik. >> i'm sure it's very hot. we haven't for now. louise, thank you very much indeed for all of that. thanks for watching bbc world news.

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hello, i'm david eades with bbc world news. our top stories. french sources say the cockpit voice recorder on the germanwings flight which crashed in the alps suggests one pilot was locked out of the flight deck. a silent tribute is paid to the 16 german students and their two teachers who perished in the crash. iran speaks out against saudi arabia, after its launches a series of air strikes against houthi rebels in yemen. the price of crude oil surges by 6% in the wake of that saudi military operation.

also we'll be live in delhi as india succumbed to australia in the cricket world cup semi-final in sydney. hello and thanks for joining us. relatives of victims from the germanwings flights, which crashed in the french alps have taken flights from dusseldorf and barcelona to reach the site of the accident. as they make their way there, reports have emerged that the black box audio recordings from flight 9525 do point to one pilot being locked out of the cockpit. those are the reports coming from sources. let's get over to seynes-les-alps and talk to tim willcox who's covering this story for us from

seynes-les-alps. tim tim, over to you. >> reporter: david, thanks very much. extraordinary, dramatic developments in this investigation. none of which have been confirmed by the french authorities, but nonetheless worrying and adding more pressure on those victims' families as they arrive here in the french alps. just a recap. according to "the new york times," quoting one of their sources and the french press, afp newswire quoting, it seems, another source those who have listened to the audio recordings collected a couple of days ago suggest that one of the pilots shortly after this plane reached its maximum cruising altitude of 38,000 feet left the cockpit for some reason isn't quite clear why, and then as the cockpit door shut and he came back knocked gently on the door and asked to be let back in. there was no response. he then started knocking on the door with more urgency and more loudly ending up trying to bash the door in as the plane started descending -- well

actually it was more than a descent, it was a plummet at 38,000 feet every minute, before ultimately crashing into the mountainside at about 500 miles an hour, at 6,000 feet above sea level. now, that hasn't been officially confirmed or denied by anyone. the only one that lufthansa said is that their co-pilot was a relatively inexperienced co-pilot, just two years with the company, 630 flying hours, whereas the main pilot had ten years' service and 6,000 flying hours under his belt. so we are no clearer -- in fact the investigation is even more complicated by these announcements. now, in the next few minutes, we are expected to have a press conference from the marseille prosecutor prosecutor. he is meeting some of the victims' families who have either flown or driven into marseille in the last few hours, before driving up nearer to the

crash site where we are now. it's not 100% clear where they're going to be staying. it's pretty obvious that none of these people want really any publicity at all, going through the ordeal they are. there are psychologists here and translators, so they can actually listen to what the prosecutor has to say and communicate with the french officials carrying out this recovery, this recovery expedition. now, we're just getting a line -- actually it's just coming through to me. but it does appear that there has been confirmation that only one pilot in the cockpit. i'm trying to find out where that information has come from. so the german prosecutor has issued a statement confirming in the last few seconds, that just one pilot was in that cockpit. so it does appear that those sources quoted by "the new york

times" and by afp seem to be pointing the in the right direction. there was one pilot, just one pilot in that cockpit when the plane reached maximum altitude cruising altitude of 38,000 feet before starting its descent. there was no communication, according to these sources, between the pilot inside and the pilot outside after that. this report by lisa hampele. >> reporter: as investigation continues, "the new york times" and a french news agency are both claiming that it shows one of the aircraft's pilots left the cockpit and was then unable to get back in before the airbus crashed. these pictures show inside the cabin of another airbus a-320. it's claimed the pilot was outside the cockpit, knocking repeatedly, but there was no answer.

>> obviously, the person leaving must have said something to the other crew member, there must be voices recorded as well, which will explain to some degree, at least, what was going on, what was happening. and that information, well, there is now much greater pressure for some full statement, official statement to be released. >> lufthansa says the co-pilot joined germanwings in 2013, directly after training. the captain had more than 6,000 hours of flying time. the families of the dead are traveling to the crash site. those in barcelona chose not to fly. the german relatives left from dusseldorf airport. around 100 people from both groups are to visit the site. they'll go to the small french town, which is now the hub of a major aircraft investigation. as they do so, experts have been pointing out that claims that one of the pilots left the

cockpit before the crash are unconfirmed. lufthansa says flight deck procedures, which are in line with german law, do allow crew to leave the cockpit for short periods. back in the german town of holton, pupils and staff who lost 16 classmates and 2 teachers have been holding a minute silence. today may bring more clues, including more detail about what on the voice recorder. lisa hampele, bbc news. >> just to confirm that breaking news in the last few minutes. the german prosecutor has confirmed there was only one pilot in the cockpit. that's according to the reuters news agency in the last couple of moments. so according to reuters, the german prosecutor is quoted as saying, he's confirmed there was just a single pilot in the cockpit, as the plane came down. let's just turn our attention now to marseille.

i think we can just show you some pictures of marseille. dozens of victims' families have arrived in the region and we are now waiting to hear from the marseille main prosecutor who is about to give a press conference now. i think they're just setting up the microphones. but these families already in a state of complete trauma as one can only dare imagine, now faced with the news that there was a single pilot in the cockpit at the time which would seem highly unusual. reports that another pilot was trying to get back into that cockpit when the plane came down are now faced with the harrowing task of having to provide dna samples and match those with the numerous bodies that we understand are still, unfortunately littered over the mountain, about five miles behind where we are now. that's largely due to the sheer

inhospitable terrain. the helicopters flying over from here dropping investigator teams and recovery teams on the ground, picking up with teams on foot. let's go live to marseille now. the chief prosecutor speaking now. >> translator: since the prosecution of marseille issued a voluntary homicide and also for the international elements spanish and german authorities we have received from the spanish judicial authorities and international agreement. today, i'm expecting to receive the same thing from the german authorities. and i would like to remind you that each country has opened inquiryies and investigations in their own countries. the recovery of the bodies

started yesterday afternoon and the identification process has started. i repeat the recovery of the bodies started yesterday, and the identification process has started by the authorities. up to this very day, we have not found the second black box. as we stand, we only have one black box. according to the elements that have been made known to me during midnight the black box, which is the cockpit voice recorder which is the exchange of the conversation between the pilot and the co-pilot indicates we have for the last 30 minutes of the flight the full transcript of the last 30 minutes of the flight. during the first 20 minutes, the two pilots exchanged a conversation in a normal way.

we can explain it describe it as amicable and courteous conversation. nothing abnormal. and then we hear the pilot preparing the randing briefing to dusseldorf. and the copilot's behavior sounded sounded laconical. we could hear the pilot to asking the co-pilot to take command, control. and at the same time we could hear the noise of a chair that's being moved and the noise of a door that has been closed and shut. and we can hear -- i think he left the cockpit so that he can go for natural call.

at that moment the co-pilot was on his own in the cockpit. while alone, the co-pilot manipulated the flight monitoring system keys so that to accelerate the descent of the plane. he was by himself, in charge of the airbus and he used the keys of the monitoring system to operate the descent of the plane. the action of the altitude selection can only be voluntary. it's done in a voluntary way. we could hear a number of appeals and calls from the pilot to access the cockpit.

we're talking here about a speaker. he identified himself, and he was using a speaker, asking access to the cockpit. but there was no response from the copilot. he knocked on the door and demanded that the door should be opened, and there was no response from the co-pilot. at that time we heard a breathing noise inside the cabin and we carried on hearing that kind of breathing until the final crash and impact which means that the co-pilot was still alive until the time of the impact. then welcomed hear contact from the control tower from marseille, but there was no response from the co-pilot. the air controllers asked at the time to issue a distress call

700, and there was no response. which indicated that that plane was a priority and took priority over the landing of all other planes. the control tower even asked for other planes to try to contact by radio the airbus and -- but they received no reply. the went to signify, to tell the crew proximity of the landing, and at the moment we could hear violent knocking on the door someone was trying to force the doors. it was a strong door it was protected, according to international norms.

these alarm ss, like pull-ups to activate the plane, and they were deactivated. just before the final impact we could hear what sounded like the noise of the first impact. i would like to remind you that the plane actually skidded against a kind of rock before it hit the mountain and there was no message or like urgent mayday mayday had been received by tower control. no distress mayday or sos or urgent or alert from the pilot was received, by the control tower. and there was no response, no response was made or heard from the air controllers. today, the way we can interpret

this after now, 30, ie, 48 hours after the crash, the way we can see and given the investigation and i insist that we careful the interpretation for us as investigators and talking on behalf of those from the air transport research the most plausible interpretation is that the co-pilot through a voluntary action, had refused to open the door of the cabin to the pilot, to the commandant, and the pilot and let him in.

and he act eded the key so to trigger the plane to go down. the altitude was between 10,000 and 12,000 meters altitude. he operated this key and this button for a reason that we don't know yet. but we can analyze it that the intention was to destroy this plane. these are the last elements of the inquiry that i can let you know and once i have more we have asked elements from german judicial authorities about the environment, personal why not professional, of this co-pilot

and the nationality of the co-pilot is a german. i have given and i would like to tell you, i have reported this information to about 200, 250 members of the victims. they know this. here at your disposal to answer your questions. >> translator: it's not for me to answer this question. i think i have told you, i have told you what i know. [ speaking foreign language ] the response was distressing from the pilot. yes, the response was short. we expected an exchange. the pilot was the boss. there should have been a conversation between them.

but the co-pilot's response to the pilot was very short and abrupt. can we have more information about the pilot. please, please i would like to remind you that 48 hours, the crash happened 48 hours. i received the information at midnight. and as of this morning, we are researching, we are investigating, so that you can understand the environment about this co-pilot. yeah yeah we could hear him breathing. he breathed normally. he didn't say -- he didn't utter a single word the minute the pilot left the cabin. apparently, it's impossible otherwise the pilot would have done it. if the pilot could have opened

the doobr, which was a very strong door the pilot would have done it. so what you're talking about is a swissite. i can't use the word, because i don't know anything at this stage, given the elements that i have today, maybe in a few days i'll have more positions and what i can say he voluntarily allowed the plane to descend, to lose altitude. this is not abnormal. it's about 1,000 meters per minute, which is legitimate. but he had no reason to do it. he had no reason not to allow his co-pilot to -- the pilot to come into the cabin, and this is saying something. he had no reason not to respond to the air control people about losing altitude and descending.

he had no reason to use a code that will disable contact of the plane with other planes in the area. so we can rule out issue in a manner of speaking maybe. but we're talking about 48 hours after the accident. but all we know his breathing was normal it wasn't the breathing of someone who was about to -- to do to carry out an action of this sort. he did not say a single word. it was total silence from him. it's difficult to respond to your question about the pilot and the crew. i've told the families of the victims. the victims didn't know -- the victims didn't know about what was happening until the last minute. you know the passengers didn't

know what was happening until the last minute. we could hear the cries, the cries we could hear it happened just minutes before the crash happened, before the impact on the ground. but the cries were only uttered before the plane crashed. well, i would like to answer you in english, but -- what would we hear in the -- what could we hear in the cockpit? what kind of conversation? inside the cockpit, the co-pilot did not say a single word if i understand very well your question. but there was absolute silence inside the cockpit.

>> i did not understood the question. in the cockpit, nothing. never -- no word no word during the ten last minutes. >> but you heard breathing? >> yes. not word. it's not answer question. >> do you think that the co-pilot refused to open the door and that he voluntarily took the plane down? >> yes. i think voluntary, he refused to open the door and he turned the button to get down the plane.

>> it's an accident since a plane -- it's a crash. [ speaking foreign language ] >> sir, can you confirm the names and nationalities of the pilots and also their ethnic origins. origins. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the international legislation following the september attacks have imposed a double system to be used of opening a door of the cabin, so that to prevent someone getting inside the

cabin, so that they can hijack it. so the mechanism declares that whoever is inside the cabin accepts that someone comes in even though if there is a code which you can use to open the door. but the pilot actually was known, but whoever inside has to push a button to allow the door to open. it depends on the engines, on the plane. this information only exists on the most modern planes. this is a plane that crashed was 44 years old. just one question at a time please. one leads the cockpit, the door is blocked. it's a double blocking. it can't be -- >> no blocked.

>> there were brief responses, replies, it wasn't a true dialogue. but before it was -- we could notice a normal dialogue it was an amicable courteous, fine. but when the pilot, the commandant was talking about the briefings of the landings and the steps he had to follow the response from his colleague were short and brief. there was no -- there was ant true a true exchange of dialogue. was there a kind of panic inside the plane? was he breathing heavily? was he using the plane in a --

well, there is no camera inside to film the co-pilot but we had the feeling that there was -- >> this is the prosecutor from marseille, bringing extraordinary revelations of what they have so far learned from the audio recordings from the black box of the germanwings flight. this is bbc.

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