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i hope he's a man of his word, he can come and stay at my house if he wants and we can get it on for a third time. leo, would you be willing to come to belfast? of course, i am a man of my word. it would be inconvenient for me to go to belfast but i am a man of my word. i respect carl frampton and if it is up to mei will go but it is up to my promoter and my manager and they have to come to an agreement. if i say yes, they will make me go, if it was up to me i would. do you see that as your next fight, doing it straightaway? hopefully. we have had two fights already, they were both pretty close and everything so we will make it a third time and give the fans a good fight. this featherweight rivalry has captured the imagination of the boxing world.
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a trilogy makes sense for both parties as frampton aims to win back his world title. in bowls, paul foster came from behind to win the world indoor bowls title for the fifth time. it went down to a tie—break end. his opponent needed to knock foster‘s ball away but missed. his commonwealth games partner holds the record for most wins with six. katie archibald claimed her third gold medal on the final day of the national track championships in manchester. the olympic team pursuit champion added the points title to previous victories in scratch and individual pursuit, as well as her silver in the keirin. that's all from sportsday. there'll be more sport on the bbc news channel throughout the evening. up
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up next is meet the author. chris cleave knows how to spin a story. his novels have been huge bestsellers, gripping thrillers they we re bestsellers, gripping thrillers they were also psychological studies. his new novel, everyone brave is forgiven, takes us back to the early yea rs of forgiven, takes us back to the early years of the second world war, london during the blitz, when no one quite knew who was going to win in the end. it is a story of one likely love, a picture of society pulled apart by the threat of destruction, and on account of the human cost of warand human and on account of the human cost of war and human resilience. welcome. chris, many people have written
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novels set in the second world war. it isa novels set in the second world war. it is a very familiar scene. what made you want to do it one more time? i'm always writing about the time? i'm always writing about the time we are living in now. i became really interested in the idea of unity and the idea of the country coming together and putting aside differences to face down and existential threat. and the last time that we did that really was the second world war. and so i thought ofi second world war. and so i thought of i could go back into that period and research and with fresh eyes, trying to understand how it felt at the time at the outbreak of war, when people were not sure whether it was the right course of action to take, when the country was still at the beginning disunited about whether we should appease hitler of other to fight, that difficult time at the beginning of the war is a
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period that i think israeli unexamined. those of us who were born after the war like you and me ten to forget how uncertain that time was. of course people felt strongly about the threat and felt strongly about the threat and felt strongly about the threat and felt strongly about people who had been called up or have decided to go and fight, but there was uncertainty in the air. uncertainty, and a lot of fear. we now look at the war movies and the war novels and they tend to show these very stoical figures, brave... they always went! yes, they ta ke brave... they always went! yes, they take these insane risks and it a lwa ys take these insane risks and it always pays off for them. but in real life they were frightened, they we re real life they were frightened, they were young. you tell the stories of four people. it is through them you see the war, through an individual you get a picture of london. yes, i wa nted you get a picture of london. yes, i wanted to immerse the reader in their experience of becoming part of
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that fighting machine. it is the becoming that i found more interesting than the being. they weren't brave to begin with. i think a muscle is the best model for courage. it is something that develops courage. it is something that d evelo ps to courage. it is something that develops to use. at the beginning they were nervous and frightened and have very different agendas. your title, everyone brave is forgiven, isa title, everyone brave is forgiven, is a beautifully ambiguous and a sort of annotating title, it makes you wonder, what is this book about? but you reveal how bravery comes in all shapes and sizes. it means different things to different people. to stand up in peacetime against a policy of 1's own government might be construed as a brave action, whereas in wartime thatis brave action, whereas in wartime that is tardis, that is treachery, betrayal. that transitional period
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is interesting, not just betrayal. that transitional period is interesting, notjust people's ability to be brave changes, but the notion of what bravery is changes, and changes for different individuals at different speeds. and changes for different individuals at different speedsli like that. one of the ways you get into that is across social boundaries in a deliberate way. one woman we meet at the beginning comes from a segment of society, not finishing school, and you meet people at different walks of life. you have an acute sense of where those boundaries where and how eve ryo ne those boundaries where and how everyone knew where the line was drawn. i like the fact that the boundaries have not changed either. they are recognisable to us? absolutely. don't you think? you could be leaving in 1939 and know exactly where the fault lines were in society between the haves and the have—nots, where the racial divides we re have—nots, where the racial divides were in society. they are still with us. were in society. they are still with us. that society is very recognisable. and as a writer,
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something i have often done is to look, where are those fault lines in oui’ look, where are those fault lines in our society? how can i voice people on both sides of those and try to show the enormity of the fractures in our society. they don't heal. they have not healed. and yet it is not a book that is driven, it seems to me, by anger or bitterness or envy for one side of society to the other. it is generous in that sense. you're quite inside yourself, i think. almost sentimental.” you're quite inside yourself, i think. almost sentimental. i like people. i would think. almost sentimental. i like people. iwould not think. almost sentimental. i like people. i would not write about people. i would not write about people unless i really like them. i like survivors, people who have reinvented themselves, who have been hurt. i think everyone has been hurt by the time they are grown up. i like the fact that people don'tjust stay on the mat. they get up and they do help each other, and they help each other across those
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fragmentation lines of society. i write about people because i do think there is an enormous amount to hope for still. in telling the story of these people you are talking about enormous resilience. that seems to be the characteristic that you find most inspiring about what happened during the war. yes, i think it was amazing the way people dug in. because we now know, we can watch a war movie i think back about the second world war, and we can think, yes, they only have to tough it out until 1945, think, yes, they only have to tough it out until 19115, 1946 think, yes, they only have to tough it out until 1945, 1946 for some. they did not know that. they did not know what they were embarking on, how long their suffering would continue. and i like that about them. i liked the sense of humour that started to develop. really, it isa that started to develop. really, it is a funny book. i wanted to show the sense of humour that my grandparents had. i remember talking to my grandfather about his first irishjump, he was to my grandfather about his first irish jump, he was very scared. and he said, "in the back of the plane
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the sergeant major would jeer us up, and he said, never mind, lads, if you parachute and open, you canjust stick them back to the shop!" they joked their way through the war because they were terrified. that's what i liked about their generation, and that's what i still like about british people. the more frightened we are, the funnier we get. and that for me is a very civilised response to fear. i don't want it to the plot because it would spoil it for people. it is a story that needs to keep its secrets to the end. but in a way you are talking in the book about he motions that are released because of the threat, the darkness, the uncertainty. somehow emotions are heightened. people behave differently in war. i like the fact that people's choices had to be made
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ina that people's choices had to be made in a split second, and they were made often from the gut. i think thatis made often from the gut. i think that is what life does to you. it tests you when you are least expecting it, and the answers you come up with, that you reveal about your character, are not always pleasa nt your character, are not always pleasant or expected, but are the inevitable result of all the little habits you have built up during your life. what would you most like people to take away from the story? mostly i want them to be immersed in their experience of what we call the golden generation and to come away from it with a fresh appreciation of what they did and what we could still do. chris cleave, thank you very much. not a very nice there at all for england and wales today," pics of rain. scotland has had some sunshine. this is the week ahead,
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more rain on the way. it will become windy, potentially very windy towards the end of the week. we have been looking at this satellite picture for the last day two, lots of clouds racing our direction. the first lump of cloud went over today, moving east and behind it a legacy of grey skies, drizzle and some missed. huge contrast and temperatures, clear skies and frosty in scotland, icy patches, but plymouth will wake up to mild weather, 10 celsius. this is the rush hour, reigning across cornwall and devon, getting into pembrokeshire. a lot of cloud, grey skies and drizzle, missed in places. and then we get a southern scotland, sunshine here, and a sunny start, very frosty. in the glens to be maybe even —10 in some areas. but not in major towns and cities. again some nice sunshine across scotland, maybe the far north—east of england
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as well. for the bulk of northern ireland, wales and england, it will be cloudy and the mildest of the weather in the south—west. around ten celsius in london. and that grey and drizzly picture continues through the afternoon on monday into the evening hours. and tuesday, we have yet more cloud. finally the milderair have yet more cloud. finally the milder air eventually reaches scotland. temperatures up to 10 celsius even in glasgow, to be struggling a little bit in the far east of the uk, single figures for norwich. rain on and off through the course of the day. on wednesday we are between weather systems, one cleaving to the east, and other coming into the northwest. in between, the bulk of england and wales should get sunny spells and say skies. thursday, this big area of low pressure will send strong winds and heavy rain in our direction, gale—force winds circling
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around this level, it will be blustery for us at the very least. that will bring more mild air to most parts of the country. this is bbc news. i'm ben brown. the headlines at eight o'clock: theresa may orders the foreign secretary and the home secretary to speak to their american counterparts and raise concerns about the us travel ban imposed by donald trump. in terms of messaging to the white house, it needs to be made clear how disagreeable disappears not just house, it needs to be made clear how disagreeable disappears notjust in the uk but across the free world. labour calls for the president's planned state visit to the uk to be cancelled unless the ban is lifted. more than 600,000 people have supported an online petition which says donald trump should not be invited. in yemen, us commandos have killed at least 14 al qaeda militants in a raid authorised by president trump. and the right of parents to take their children on holiday
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