hello, it's thursday, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire — welcome to the programme. a&e waiting times in english hospitals are longer than ever — leaked figures show last month was the worse since targets were introduced 13 years ago. we will try to find solutions in the next hour of the programme. also today, evidence that a new law designed to stop rogue landlords evicting tenants is failing. we have an exclusive report on the vulnerable people still being made homeless when they complain about shocking conditions. they checked the property, they agreed it was damp and something needed to be done, so they wrote to oui’ needed to be done, so they wrote to our landlord and within a week of him receiving that, we received a section 21 is eviction notice to pushed under our door. an exclusive report to come. last year we took the former refugee lord dubs to visit migrant children in calais‘s so—called jungle camp.

i'm a refugee, i came to england at the age of six. he campaigned for more to be brought to the uk. today he reacts to a government decision to stop receiving children under the scheme he championed, calling it "shameful". hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today — accident and emergency departments in england had their worst waiting time performance last month since targets were introduced 13 years ago. provisional figures leaked to the bbc also suggest that record numbers of patients have had to wait on trolleys for a bed to become available. the department of health insists the vast majority of patients are treated quickly. our health correspondent dominic hughes has more. for months now, accident and emergency departments across england have been struggling.

last week, the bbc was given exclusive access to the royal blackburn hospital, where the pressure on a&e was plain to see. more patient and a shortage of beds mean long waits. new data leaked from the nhs suggests it's a similar picture across england. provisional figures appear to show that last month 82% of patients were treated, admitted, and discharged within four hours — the worst performance since the target of 95% was produced in 200a. 780 patients waited more than 12 hours for a bed after being admitted to hospital by a doctor, known as a trolley wait. again, the worst figures on record. and more than 60,000 waited between four and 12 hours, more than any month since 200a. if the figures are correct, it shows the degree of pressure the nhs is under. despite huge efforts from 1.4 million staff,

the nhs is really struggling to cope with extra demand, record levels of demand. these figures are the worst since the four—hour a&e target was introduced. theyjust show how much pressure the service is under. the nhs in scotland is coping better, but similar issues affect wales and northern ireland, symptoms of the pressures building across health and social care. nhs sources acknowledge the system is facing unprecedented demand. and these latest figures suggest there is little sign of a respite. dominic hughes, bbc news. dr faye kirkland is a journalist who's also still working as a gp. how bad is it? they appear to show the worst performance in england since records began 13 years ago, so the number of patients, 82%, admitted, discharge or transferred towards from a&e within four hours,

but the target of 95% of people getting that treatment within four hours, to be either admitted, transferred or discharged.” hours, to be either admitted, transferred or discharged. i wonder if the target doesn't help the government, then? occasionally you hear conversations about them scrapping or redefining that target? the target has not been met since july 200015. the royal college of emergency medicine has been clear they don't think it should change because it is the standard of care expected for patients in the. thank you very much. ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary downing street is playing down a threat from a government source that the house of lords could be abolished if peers try to block the government's brexit plans. brexit secretary david davis has called on peers to ‘do their patriotic duty‘ after mps overwhelmingly backed the bill allowing the government to start the process of leaving the european union. here's our political correspondent tom bateman.

as many of that opinion say "aye." the message was clear. mps gave their overwhelming support for theresa may's plan to get on with brexit talks. the ayes to the right... it's an historic vote today, and it got through with a large majority every turn. it has carried out the will of the british people. that's what parliament has done today. and it's put through a bill which is very simple, just 137 words long, authorising us to do what the people wanted. the scottish national party fought the bill all the way. they lost, but they sung the european union's anthem in defiance. the threat of a conservative rebellion fell away, but 52 labour mps, including shadow cabinet member clive lewis, defied jeremy corbyn to vote against the bill. mr lewis resigned moments before the

vote. lib dems called for a referendum on the exit deal. what you have done is allow a stitch—up, the 21st century equivalent of smoke—filled rooms. 80% of people will be dissatisfied with what is imposed upon them. theresa may left after the vote clearing a first hurdle in parliament. now the bill goes to the house of lords, where it may need —— meet yet more opposition. tom bateman, bbc news, westminster. with us now is our assistant political editor norman smith. as tom was suggesting, all eyes now on the house of lords. and the signs are that the vote in the commons may make the government's task easier in the house of lords because mrs may has secured a stonking great majority, more than 370 mps backing her brexit bill and significantly not a single amendment passed during the two weeks of debate in the commons, which means peers will be much more relu cta nt to

which means peers will be much more reluctant to try and significantly amend or delay the bill, added to which the government initially seemed to be taking a pretty hobnailed boot strategy to the house of lords with government sources saying, if they seek to frustrate the bill, then they could be signing in effect their own death warrant, because there would be massive pressure to abolish the house of lords. this morning however, a com plete lords. this morning however, a complete rethink. the view in government circles is that sort of language simply risks fuelling opposition in the house of lords, so 110w opposition in the house of lords, so now is very different tone from number ten saying, we understand peers have a legitimate right to debate and scrutinise this legislation, so perhaps a degree of nervousness, uncertainty about how to handle the house of lords. and rumours about the labour leader jeremy corbyn possibly thinking of standing down, swirling around westminster, he has been stamping on those rumours this morning? this morning mr corbyn described

such reports as " fake news", absolute nonsense. he said the decision of clive lewis, shadow business secretary, to walk, has led people to think that mr corbyn could be vulnerable and there is considerable disquiet in the party over his whole handling of the brexit debate. one of ed miliband's closest a ides brexit debate. one of ed miliband's closest aides stu woodward has just put upa closest aides stu woodward has just put up a tweet after last night's vote. " no space this feels a bit like monty python and the holy grail when the black knight has had his limbs cut off and says, all right, we will call it a draw. "a we will call it a draw. " a lot of labour people think mr corbyn has taken the wrong approach to brexit by backing mrs may's bill. norman, thank you. the us senate has backed one of president trump's most controversial cabinet nominees, jeff sessions, as attorney general. more than 30 years ago, mr sessions was denied a post as a federaljudge when he was accused of racism, allegations he has always denied.

he will now take charge of thejustice department and more than 100,000 employees, including 93 us attorneys. new laws introduced last year to protect tenants in england from so—called revenge evictions aren't working, according to mps and housing lawyers. a bbc freedom of information request found that there may be hundreds of thousands of tenants afraid to report things like damp, faulty electrics and broken boilers, for fear of being evicted. a labour peer who campaigned for changes to immigration rules to help unaccompanied migrant children come to britain, says the government's decision to stop receiving them is shameful. when the ‘dubs scheme' was introduced last year, campaigners hoped thousands of children would benefit. by the time the system closes next month, just 350 children will have been taken in. it was designed by lord dubs, a former refugee who fled nazi occupation as a child.

we will be talking to lord dubs later this hour. mps will debate the way the football association is run today. the culture, media and sport committee has tabled a motion of no—confidence in the fa's ability to reform itself. mps want greater representation forfans, and more diversity in top positions at the fa. the mother of an 11—year—old transgender girl who was shot with an air—gun claims her school has not done enough to stop the bullying. she said five months of bullying has had a "terrible effect" on her daughter. greater manchester police confirmed it's investigating the shooting. the school said it took the attack "very seriously" and had expelled the pupil concerned. scientists studying the calls of one of our closest ape relatives say they've revealed the origins of the earliest words. the researchers from durham and liverpool john moores universities recorded and analysed thousands

of orangutan squeaks over years to learn how human language began. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30am. this on facebook about a&e waiting times, my husband was left waiting for seven hours in a&e with a skull fracture before being sent home with no information about the fracture and only paracetamol for excruciating pain. for reasons unknown in the case has been referred to the ian nose and throat department but it has been five days and he has not heard from them. your experiences of nand, positive ones as well, do let me know. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport with hugh ferris. leicester city's topsy—turvy season continues? after a vote of confidence on tuesday, a win on wednesday, claudio

ranieri is having a good week. leicester might be struggling in the premier league but their fa cup run goes on thanks to a fourth replay win over championship side derby, who took it to extra time thanks to that deflected free kick. in the extra 30 minutes, two wonderful goals, first double from a new leicester signing, then a touch of the ryan digs about this from tamari grape. leicester are eventually going through to the fifth round with a 3—1win. they will play m illwa ll with a 3—1win. they will play millwall next, but before that their eyes will be on a big premier league match against swansea on monday. mps are going to debate whether the football association is fit for purpose. this will be part of the culture and sport committee. why are they doing this? some people

may remember as far back as 1966, two things happened that year, winning the world cup and also the first report into whether the fa should reform, waiting more than 50 yea rs should reform, waiting more than 50 years for both of those things to happen again. the government have increased the pressure by threatening to withdraw up to £40 million of public funding for the fa before this meeting today. it appears to boil down to what former fhm and greg dyke has called in the last 24 hours " old men" accused of blocking change, i'm sure they would reject that. the fa parliament is made up of 122 members, 92/60, only eight women as well, so the government is looking for better diversity, better representation of people who play the game on that council and the current chairman greg clark has said he will resign if his plans for reform are not accepted when he puts them to the

government in april. the winter olympics is a year away and britain has said itaims the winter olympics is a year away and britain has said it aims to become one of the top snow sports nations. yes, the governing body for ski and snowboarding, by 2030, would like britain to be a top five country, said they have got 13 years to do that. just a year now and will be 2018 winter olympics. the overall shift emission of all sports says we should be excited about our metal rack micro—medal chances, four is the best team gb have managed over the best team gb have managed over the years, also in sochi time out they managed to get four, but he thinks we have a few chances to get on the podium in south korea. investment has doubled to more than £27 million over the last four year cycle so you imagine those funding bodies will be expecting something ofa bodies will be expecting something of a return on that investment. thank you, more throughout the morning. our exclusive film today shows some of the absolutely disgusting

conditions that people who live in rented accomodatoin live in. really vile. and yet a new law designed to exactly those people from rogue landlords isn't working. that's according to mps and housing lawyers. faulty electrics, awful damp and broken boilers that don't get fixed when it's cold are all things that are officially classed as category one hazards which pose a risk to health. but many private tenants are worried that if they complain, or complain too much, they will be evicted. the law in england changed in 2015 to make "revenge evictions" illegal. but despite that, figures gathered by radio1 newsbeat through freedom of information requests show that more than half of local councils across england say they haven't stopped any. here's dan whitworth with the exclusive story. damp, mould, faulty electrics and broken windows and boilers that don't get fixed when it's cold, they're all classed as category one

hazards, in other words, they're so bad, they pose a risk to people's health. what is that? these are all things that in many cases ,people living in private rented accommodation complaint of their landlord and they get fixed. not for everyone, though. hello. helen? it is. nice to meet you. helen used to live with her mum, sister and baby daughter in a rented home with lots of problems, including damp. it was horrible. after months of complaining, we got a firm of solicitors in who deal with properties in this state of disrepair. they checked the property and agreed it was damp and something needed to be done. so they wrote to our landlord, and within a week of him receiving that, we received a section 21 eviction notice pushed under our door. telling you, and your family to get out. all of us to get out. what kind of impact did that have on you and your family? we've been split up now. we're living about four miles away from each other. at the same time, i'd been suffering really bad ill health as well. so to have that on top

of what i was already going through just completely floored me, and the thought of having to live my own that point, i wasn't going to cope. so for the first two months of me having this place, i never really saw it because i was staying on my mum's sofa bed, to keep us together, because i couldn't face not being with my mum and having my little one. because of what happened to people like helen, a new rule was introduced in october 2015, to try to stop retaliatory or so—called revenge evictions, but exclusive figures gathered under a freedom of information request from hundreds of local authorities across england who have the power to stop them, more than half said they hadn't stopped any. more than a quarter said they don't record figures, with fewer than one in five councils taking any action. so, we're just following some housing inspectors from leeds council, who have set up some inspections for us to accompany them on.

they deal specifically with rogue landlords, so we've been told to expect some category one hazards, things like broken windows, boilers that don't get fixed, mould, damp, faulty electrics, things that pose a risk to public health. so we will go and have a look and see what we see. what are the type of category one, serious hazards that we are likely to find? it's going to be entry by intruders, because the front door doesn't close at all. there's no security, so anyone can walk into there. the boiler is not working so they don't have any hot water or heating. the electrics aren't working, so pitch dark. ok, shall we go? kitchen facilities... oh, man. hold on a minute. when you say the kitchen facilities, i mean there is a sink there...

this is rented out as private rented accommodation and people living here? that's right. people paying to rent here, making complaints, nothing happening and then they could be under the threat of a revenge eviction for making complaints. that's the reason why they are not coming forward to the council to make a complaint. upstairs, there are even more problems. this is another kitchen. what is that? that's damp that's been leaking from outside the guttering. come and take a look at this. right... i'm not going to touch this. the smell inside this room is stale. when you look up close to this, i describe that as mould, as damp, it smells bad. clearly it looks terrible, and this is all from a leak outside? yes, from the guttering outside. it's not been fixed

and the water is coming through. and this is supposed to be, what? this is supposed to be the kitchen? the kitchen, yeah. paul has lived here for nearly six years. he didn't want to show his face on camera because he's embarrassed to be associated with the flat. he'd never make repairs, the landlord. the skylight has been broken three or four years. broken open, so... it won't close. as you can see, bitterly cold. the boiler's been packed in now, just won't fixed it. so we've just heard paul's story that. the scariest thing about all of this is paul's story is one of many. there are 9 million people living in private rented accommodation. 4.3 million properties. of those, 30% are classed as a non—decent standard. fair enough, that is a pretty exceptionally bad case, but there are many, many people just like paul, too worried in fact to complain,

because if they complain to their landlord, they may get evicted. if they get evicted, they have nowhere else to go and they end up on the streets. so what would you do? clive betts is the chair and communities and local government committee so he holds the government to account on things like housing. bearing in mind more than half of local authorities across england say they haven't stopped any revenge eviction is, is this law working? clearly not. i can't believe that there are that number of authorities where no one has been subject to a revenge eviction. and we know there are many good landlords out there, who will never be worried about revenge eviction is from, because they won't operate like that. if repairs need doing, they'll carry out them in a proper manner. we talking about here trying to avoid carrying out their responsibilities as a landlord, to keep their properties in a good state of repair, and if that asked a simple question like, will you do will prepare for me, they threaten someone with an eviction to shut them up.

they are the landlords we have to get at and they sometimes have the worst properties with people living in the worst conditions. that's the biggest challenge for everybody. you have a position of power and influence within parliament. you are chair of a select committee that is responsible for housing in england. there's a guy living in this flat and his window, his roof window wouldn't shut. what can you say, this chap's name is paul. the landlord is refusing to fix things like this. what needs to happen there, we shouldn'tjust be stopping revenge evictions, we should be prosecuted landlords for letting properties in that condition. we got in touch with the government for comment on this story and a spokesman for the department for communities and local government came back to us. they said revenge evictions are rare and because of the new law, it's given local councils all the powers they need to stop them. back on the road with leeds council, our final visit is to lizzie's home. faulty electrics, the lights clearly not working... her landlord is the same as paul's, who we heard from earlier. my windows don't shut properly. hang on a minute, i don't know if you can see this, but there's a gap about 2—3 centimetres where the

window is not shutting. i can feel the coming through. —— the breeze coming through. that whole wall is full of damp. i wouldn't touch it. no. it's this whole area. it's notjust there, it's that whole wall. even behind this. again, not pulling anything out, but i can see the damp goes right the way from the skirting board pretty much to the very top. it's unfair and i can't bring people back to the house because i feel embarrassed to bring them back to the house. when i first came here, i didn't want to move in because i saw the state of the front door. i don't really want keep complaining, because he might end up going to me, if you keep complaining, out you go. what would happen to you if you did get evicted, what are you worried about? being on the streets. straight up, didn't miss a heartbeat, worried about being on the streets? yes, because i've been on the streets and it's not nice. i'm going to start crying. sorry, sorry. it's ok.

i've been on the streets and it is horrible. sorry. it's all right. so that's obviously why you don't want to complain too much, because that's the other option for you. well. you can find out more about theissue well. you can find out more about the issue on the bbc news beat website. let's speak to labour's shadow housing ministerjohn healey, and barbara dickson who was evicted along with her husband, by their private landlord, after she complained when she found hidden cameras and microphones in her ceiling and floors. which is the most astonishing story in itself. first of all i would like you to give some reaction to the conditions we saw in that film?|j conditions we saw in that film?” think that's horrific but it's more common than people realise. i think people are being taken advantage of because they are afraid to complain. a lot of people are living like this

because of fear, it is then easy difficult to find a replacement place to live so you put up with whatever you have to do.” place to live so you put up with whatever you have to do. i think it is more common than... i think that's the tip of the iceberg. there have been estimates there are probably 200,000 people who suffer from revenge evictions each year. it's not just about the from revenge evictions each year. it's notjust about the home. we saw with helen how it breaks up families. we saw with liz how frightened people are. home is where you want to feel safe and warm. it's where you want to retreat to, from the world. it's the heart of all our lives. when people can't even have that sort of basic security, those basic standards, then the law is not working and we have to do a great deal more. we will come back to that ina deal more. we will come back to that in a moment. barbara, tell our audience what happened. we had a leak coming from our season, it was like a shower level of water coming through on the landlord wasn't around to be able to assist us. my husband climbed into the roof to

turn the water off because that's where it was an that's where we found all the cameras and microphones at the house. there was a camera injust about every room in out a camera injust about every room in our flat, including our bedroom, the bathroom, everywhere. when you said to the landlord, hello, what did he say? neuer we got an eviction notice the next day. how many days later? the next day. it was taped to our front door. you might describe that asa front door. you might describe that as a revenge evictions? absolutely, fio as a revenge evictions? absolutely, no doubt. you called the police, what did you think they could do?” thought they would investigate the cameras being present or speaking to the landlord but they weren't interested at all. they thought it was a domestic situation and were prepared to intervene. this is before the legislation for empowering councils. if it had been in place would you have gone to the council and asked for help?” in place would you have gone to the council and asked for help? i don't think anyone is willing to do anything. despite this talk about

this desire to assist and help people, i think in the end of the land both can go to court and have you removed irrespective of if the council intervene or not. that's where the issue lies. the issue according to barbara is with councils. people are willing to go to them because they are still scared. councils have the power is 110w scared. councils have the power is now enshrined in law but they are not using them. people are scared and that is quite clear. it is quite and that is quite clear. it is quite a complicated law. councils could only have stepped in and barbara's case if she complained in writing to the landlord, the landlord refused to do anything about it, she then notified formally the council and the council then served an official written improvement notice. that's not complicated, it's really straightforward. may be time consuming. you needed to act quickly. complications is one part of it. councils aren't acting when half of them haven't stopped a single revenge evictions. nobody believes it isn't happening everywhere. i think the real thing

is not to try and deal with the symptoms but the causes. that means, i think, new, symptoms but the causes. that means, ithink, new, tougher legal standards for the homes that private landlords rent. it just standards for the homes that private landlords rent. itjust isn't good enough that we haven't got a law requiring landlords to make sure it's fit for human habitation without some of those problems. secondly, i think longer minimum tenancies because longer tenancies build in the sort of protections and rights that aren't there in this case. minimum tenancies is something the government is trying to address, with that housing white paper it published the other day. i want to ask you about the brexit vote last night. can ijust be clear about that? there is a huge gap between their rhetoric on their record. what they announced this week was that they announced this week was that they will work with people who are building new homes, full rent.” know, incentives. that won't help any of the 11 million current renters, it won't help the people in the report that we saw, notjust in

leeds but across the country. the government has to be prepared to act. when it was put to the communities secretary this week in the house of commons that we needed this new legal standard requiring homes fit for human standard he described as frivolous and unnecessary. these government ministers don't get what it's like for people. you would expect me to ask about the brexit vote last night, the historic vote in the commons. what do you think of your collea g u es commons. what do you think of your colleagues from jeremy corbyn's top team, clive lewis, resigning because he could not vote to give the government how to trigger article 50? he did last week but not last night. what you think? he wants to be able to speak up for his constituents in norwich and therefore he has resigned from the shadow cabinet. if you want to speak for the party nationally from the shadow cabinet you have to accept the decision we made, quite rightly, asa the decision we made, quite rightly, as a national party that we would respect the result of the referendum, respect and recognise the will of the people when they

we re the will of the people when they were asked that question about the future and voted for britain's lee. this was a very small build we dealt with in the commons last night, giving the prime minister the authority of parliament to start the negotiations. some were surprised there weren't more labour rebels. youth campaign to remain in the european union. are you scared now to speak up? no, it's a basic question of respecting the democracy that we supported and respected in the referendum. you can't ask people for their view, get that view and say i'm sorry, we are going to ignore that. it is right that most labour mps voted to back this bill. the much bigger role of parliament comes next, that is about challenging the prime minister about the aims for had negotiations, challenged her on how well she's doing and out to people what britain beyond brexit looks like. for a labour party, we have a very different view of what is needed in

the future than the conservative. thank you very much. labour'sjohnny leota barbara dickson. thank you for coming on the programme. still to come... a&e departments are well behind their targets for waiting times. we'll be taking a look at how they are coping and trying to talk about what solutions health professionals might come up with if they were in charge. labour peer and former child refugeee lord dubs reacts to a government decision to stop receiving children under the scheme he championed, calling it ‘shameful‘. we will speak to him live in the next half an hour. here's ben in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. accident and emergency departments in england had their worst waiting time performance last month since targets were introduced 13 years ago. provisional figures leaked to the bbc also suggest that record numbers of patients have had to wait on trolleys for a bed to become available. the department of health insists

the vast majority of patients are treated quickly. tomorrow on the bbc news channel, we'll be answering your questions and listening to your suggestions on how the nhs can tackle the looming financial shortfall and deal with the challenges that obese and ageing parts of the population are bringing to bear on it. we'll be getting experts to answer your questions and respond to any suggestions you may have. please get in touch by text or send an email or contact us via twitter using the hashtag #bbcaskthis. downing street has attempted to play down an earlier threat by a government source that the house of lords could be abolished if peers tried to block the government's bill to begin the process of leaving the eu. last night, the commons backed the legislation without any amendments. more than 50 labour mps defied jeremy corbyn

and voted against the proposals. new laws introduced last year to protect tenants in england from so—called "revenge evictions" aren't working, according to mps and housing lawyers. a bbc freedom of information request found that there may be hundreds of thousands of tenants afraid to report things like damp, faulty electrics and broken boilers, for fear of being evicted. the mother of an 11—year—old transgender girl who was shot with an air—gun claims her school has not done enough to stop the bullying. she said five months of bullying has had a "terrible effect" on her daughter. greater manchester police confirmed it's investigating the shooting. the school said it took the attack "very seriously" and had expelled the pupil concerned. an australian man has survived spending hours struggling to keep his nose above water after his excavator rolled into a dam. daniel miller had been riding the machine at his remote property north of sydney, when the edge of the dam gave way

and he was pinned down by the three—tonne excavator. he said he adopted a yoga pose and spent the whole time thinking about his wife and their two young children. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10am. some comments about slum landlords, kenneth says, why our local mps not naming and shaming them? sean says, the film was magnificent, a la it is the tip of the iceberg, it will talk more on that after 10am and we will feed your experiences touch with us. let's get the sport now. leicester are flirting with relegation in the premier league but they are through to the fifth round of the fa cup after beating derby 3-1. this of the fa cup after beating derby 3—1. this deflected free kick forced the extra period. this goal was

matched by demaret grey. it sends them to the fifth round, and a tie with millwall. mps will debate the football association's failure to reform following a vote of no—confidence. parliament will examine whether the fa is fit for purpose as it currently stands. britain is aiming to become one of the world's top five skiing and snowboarding nations by 2030. the winter olympics in south korea start a year today, great britain could achieve its best ever games according to uk sport. and tiger woods has said he will never feel great game. he and tiger woods has said he will neverfeel great game. he has had two back operations, coming back from 15 months out after the last one. he had to force out of the dubai desert classic because of back spasms and admitted there have been times he did not think it would be able to return to golf. those are the headlines, more after 10am. waiting times in a&e departments in england are longer than ever. anecdotal reports of patients on trolleys,

waiting hours to be seen, have now been backed up by leaked country—wide figures. and they're the worst since targets were introduced 13 years ago. on monday, an audience of 80 nhs staff and patients from around the ukjoined our programme to talk about the state of the nhs. we invited doctors, patients, nurses and politicians to come together and discuss where things are going wrong, and what the future might hold for the nhs. i'm representing the senior tier of commissions on the shop floor in saying we cannot provide safe care any more for patients. we are being forced to make really dangerous decisions every day, the pressures are unfathomable and we are heartbroken, exacerbated and demoralised. the nhs must be managed by people that have been within the system, that know the system and they understand the system.” system, that know the system and they understand the system. i a brother who has spent an extra five weeks in hospital and an extra five weeks in hospital and an extra five weeks in hospital and an extra five weeks ina weeks in hospital and an extra five weeks in a nursing home when he has

actually got home of his own, he just needs his social care package to be able to go back to where he wants to be, back in the home. to be able to go back to where he wants to be, back in the homem must so frustrating. very. we need more gps, we need more doctors, we need more funding. in my case, talking for old people, we shouldn't have to go and queue up for half an hour or have to go and queue up for half an houroran hourto have to go and queue up for half an hour or an hour to get to see a gp. we would like consistency, stability. we don't want to be changing doctors every time we go to the surgery. three years ago i was diagnosed with depression, anxiety, unfortunately the nhs could do nothing for me, i had to spend £4000 of my own money, without spending that money, i'm not lying, i'm not sure if i would be here today. this concept of charging is already happening, 6000 people a year kill themselves. every time we run a programme, one person will have killed themselves. we have to take

mental health seriously and commit to spend the money we say we will commit because we are not doing it. on the 8th of october, my 26—year—old daughter went into hospital to have her baby, and she died during childbirth. the baby, they wanted us to switch off the machine the same day she died, she survived, she is 16 months, she has a grade three brain injury and she is blind. ijust want to say that we didn't anticipate that happening. she walked into hospital, she went on the 7th of october, she was sent home. we were told that if everybody came in at one centimetre dilated then the hospital wards would be full. she had an underlying problem which was seen on three scans and not acted upon because they were not sure what it was. that cost her her

life. and i would just like to... i would like to say that... how many lives are going to go? my name is jess, i'm an a&e doctor. i have to agree with you, i stand on the front i'm the person who gets assaulted, sexually assaulted in nand by drug people. i was a medical student, you see us on people. i was a medical student, you see us on tv, we go and get drunk all the time, i have never ended up in a&e, none of us have, and i have never left my friends behind on the side of the road drug, which people do now. we should be charging them! it costs inordinate amount of money, £300 every time we send las to pick somebody up of the side of the road. just walking into nand is £100 to register you, it is a waste of money and it is ridiculous. i was then told the drugs i need are not funded by the nhs in wales. they are

currently funded in england but are being withdrawn from england as well. i'm having to fund raise to pay for the drugs to keep me alive to be here for my children. some examples of things going wrong — by the way, there were some very positive stories too, but today we want to focus on solutions. we've brought together maria gilroy, a senior site nurse practitioner, eren ozagir, the founder of push doctor which puts patients and doctors in touch over the web, and sarah gorton the deputy head of health at the trade—union unison. huge question, if you were in charge of the nhs in england, where would you start? the first thing to say is the nhs is full of great teams... we absolutely know that, we take that as read. but even winning teams struggle in difficult circumstances and the odds are definitely stacked against them so it is time for a change of tactics. i think there are three things that could really change the situation. give me your

first one and let's see what the others think. the first is a difficult conversation about funding. in the very short—term, an immediate cash injection to get us through what used to be called winter pressure and is now year—round normal pressure for the nhs. secondly, it is to talk about longer term sustainable funding solution for the nhs. so that is a conversation between politicians of all parties and voters? we talked about this on monday, do we look at increasing national insurance contributions, at increasing income tax, and be bothered, it is the wrong question, it is things about the government, don't build a just do, don't replace trident. where are you on that? for me, funding is important but to be think about it ina different important but to be think about it in a different way, efficiencies and application, we are a technology business and we bring technology to medics and help them operate more efficiently. here is one example, they could place set in the current syste m they could place set in the current system in a simple way and increase

the numberof gp system in a simple way and increase the number of gp appointments which in theory should reduce the number of people heading to a&e particularly over christmas. 46,000 gps in the uk, we have reduced admin time from 45%, which is the time spent on paperwork in the nhs, to just 9%, which frees up two appointment and hour per doctor, in appointment and hour per doctor, in a day half a million gp appointments that could be back online for patients to come and interact with a doctor and start to solve the issues or at least talk to someone and get the advice they need. that is the technology option, what did you think? on monday we were speaking about social care and jon ashworth said about bringing the funding forward but that was agreed by the conservative mp that was there and i think that is an emergency response and has to happen. so, like sarah, short—term cash injection. and has to happen. so, like sarah, short-term cash injection. more broadly, what do you think? we have to look at stav, recruitment and retention. over the last year, stuff

like nurses and doctors are completely demoralised, treated really badly by the government. what would you do in terms of boosting morale, if you were england's health secretary? i would reverse the mistakesjeremy secretary? i would reverse the mistakes jeremy hunt has secretary? i would reverse the mistakesjeremy hunt has made, bring bursaries back for nursing. junior doctor contract, go back to the table, it is not working. we have had a huge exodus of doctors out of the country since this contract... i'm not sure we have had a huge exodus, i know people threatened to leave. i think we have, i think it is evident, i go and see my consultant and last time i went i waited 2.5 hours, which does not bother me, it is a busy clinic, and when i went in she said, i'm sorry, we cannot get any middle grades, like registrar, below registrar, that are not on a training number. other people in different oncology

department said the same thing to me. they cannot get the staff.“ the government reversed the decision on nursing bursaries, for example, it would not fill the hole now, would it? it might in 12 months, 24 months, three, four years. what about now, what could you do today? it is catch—22, to be honest. we could say, let overstaffed, make provision for having too many staff in the hope we will get a number thatis in the hope we will get a number that is workable. but we simply don't have those staff available now. it is temp staff, then? we don't have them available. we have 55,000 people from eu countries working in health and social care committee all of those people are not sure of their status so confirming that they have the right to stay would definitely help. sorting out problems with the bursary, doing something to make staff feel valued, so from all, i

was talking to a big group of health workers yesterday from different types of jobs workers yesterday from different types ofjobs and the stories they are all telling are the same. they are all telling are the same. they are working too many hours, they are scared because they are constantly working at full pressure and they are scared about the decisions they are scared about the decisions they are making and not having enough time to do theirjob properly and safely a ny time to do theirjob properly and safely any more, and they are co nsta ntly safely any more, and they are constantly working long shifts under unbearable pressure, and that used to be just seasonal, unbearable pressure, and that used to bejust seasonal, it unbearable pressure, and that used to be just seasonal, it used to be for a few weeks each year, and now it is almost like we are in some kind of narnia where we are in permanent winter and the nhs is running on those conditions. more staff, bring back bursaries for nursing. we've talked about technology, what else? nursing. we've talked about technology, what else ?” nursing. we've talked about technology, what else? i think for me the idea that doing the same things, some of the suggestions are to do things we've done in the past, is on and off of the step change to

make a dramatic difference to the system. on the treaty before there was a lady saying, we need people from inside the system to come up with solutions. that's not always the case. if you keep internalising the case. if you keep internalising the problem, you will end up with very similar answers. not to go back to the tech thing but having an entrepreneurial approach and allowing private companies to come m, allowing private companies to come in, who have run huge amount of numbers of people through shops and stores and online retail, actually can think about problems the nhs are having differently alongside managers. the problem at the moment is nobody is really up for that. the minute a private company stepped in to offer advise the public and nhs think we are going to private the nhs. that's not the point, we have to be open to new thoughts on skills. sarah, do you acknowledge that in the private sector there are some people with brains, who have

ideas, who could help the nhs run better? the nhs is constantly learning organisation. that's one of the good things about it. are you happy about that? one of the things that could be done immediately is to allow staff that work in the nhs, they are constantly frustrated because they don't have the opportunity to contribute ideas about how their service can run better. do you acknowledge there are people in the private sector... we can always learn and take the best from the world. you are asking a question about things that can be done immediately, today. ithink one of the really important lessons is we are now experiencing the start of the austerity in health budgets. we are facing another three years of cuts. so something that could be done immediately is to say ok, it goes no further and we will cancel the cuts are coming. we have £22 billion worth of so—called efficiency savings. at these are the figuresjust efficiency savings. at these are the figures just out. the a&e figures

for decemberfrom figures just out. the a&e figures for december from nhs figures just out. the a&e figures for decemberfrom nhs england. official figures just published. 86.2% patients were admitted, transferred or discharged from a&e within four hours of arrival. that is below the 95% standard. that is less tha n is below the 95% standard. that is less than the figure of 88% recorded in november. which you were expecting, presumably? yes, iwould have expected. ok. even our tiny conversation now shows how difficult it is. agreed ? conversation now shows how difficult it is. agreed? hazard yes. thank you all of you for coming on the programme, thank you. "shameful" — that's how the peer lord dubs describes the decision of britain not take any more unaccompanied child migrants from europe from march. so far, 350 such children have been able to come to britain. the so called dubs amendment, designed by the peer who's a former child refugee, aimed to help some of the estimated 90,000 unaccompanied migrant

children across the continent. last yearfor this programme lord dubs and rabbi harryjacobi, visited the calais migrant camp and met two lone children seeking asylum in the uk, aged 10 and 12. the camp has since been disbanded by the french authorities. i'm a refugee and i came to england at the age of six. with the help of a translator, the boys aged ten and 12 explain what they've been through. he's complaining that it's been eight months now, and he's very upset that no one's bothered or asked us how we are or if we're ok or whatever. we are little children. yes, you are. that's why we are here, to ask you how you are. he's very sad. have you any family in afghanistan? they said they now had little contact with relatives, who'd paid smugglers

to bring them to europe. one of them told the visitors what happened to his dad. the taliban, taliban killed his father. they made it to france in car boots, the back of lorries and by walking over mountains. scared of older men, scared of french police and tear gas, the boys said they would keep trying to get on lorries bound for england. and lord dubs is here now, along with martha mackenzie from save the children. lord dubs, your reaction to the decision? i am bitterly, bitterly disappointed. there was no need for this. we had a scheme. i visited some of the greek refugee camps in january. the situation there is pretty desperate. there are children there who need something better than there who need something better than the freezing cold and no help or support. i think it is a very

disappointing decision and i think the government have gone back on their word. they assured me at the beginning they would axe at the letter and spirit of the amendment and they haven't done that. meaning they —— meaning what? and they haven't done that. meaning they -- meaning what? they should simply do it whilst there was a need. i never said we should take all the children in europe, all i said was we should take some of them. the government have done very little. they say this wasn't the only route to helping vulnerable children. in the last year alone, "we have provided refuge or other forms of leave to more than 8000 children.". well, yes, but there are over 90,000 unaccompanied child refugees in europe. the point of the amendment was to help those. the ones that have come here, have come here possibly even legally and we wanted a legal means for unaccompanied child refugees to find

safety, that was the purpose of the amendment. it is there as an amendment. it is there as an amendment on the statute books, i believe in good faith. the government started implementing it and now they've decided, for very poor reasons, to stop the scheme altogether. what would be those reasons? the reasons they've stated is local authorities are not able to find, not willing or haven't got the money to find more foster parents who would provide families for these children. i know from local authorities that others are willing, if asked again, to step up to the mark. i've had e—mails from foster parents saying they are willing to ta ke parents saying they are willing to take refugees. it isn't true that the local authorities are not supporting this. 0k. supporting this. ok. martha, what do you think of this decision? we are also very disappointed. disappointed that the numbers are so small. to echo what lord dubs has said, this can't be the end of the government's work for unaccompanied children in europe. we would urge

them to go back to local authorities and see if they can take any more children. and also there are a lot of children in europe who have family members in the uk and they have a legal right to be reunited with those family members. i know is very ha rd with those family members. i know is very hard for to do that. the uk should stay in greece and italy make sure those children in the long term can come to the uk safely. you say there are small numbers. the government say last year we transferred over 900 unaccompanied children to the uk from europe, including more than 750 from france as part of the uk's support for the calais camp clarence. i think there two things are. a big pa rt i think there two things are. a big part of those transfer the children from calais howard family links here. if they stepped up that level of ambition in greece and italy, they could bring over many more children who have family links here.

i think children who have family links here. ithink again, children who have family links here. i think again, as lord dubs said, the scale of the problem is very large. we know there are around 2500 unaccompanied children in greece at the moment and 90% of all children who arrived in italy last year were unaccompanied. this isn't a problem that's going away. i'm going to ask you, lord dubs, to tell us again about your rescue and the difference it made to you as a child. i know there will be some people watching who are saying, look, we can't look after a ll who are saying, look, we can't look after all of these children, however much we want to. thank you. in 1938-39, britain much we want to. thank you. in 1938—39, britain took much we want to. thank you. in 1938-39, britain took 10,000 unaccompanied child refugees from germany, austria and czechoslovakia. icame germany, austria and czechoslovakia. i came from prague. the ones from prague were organised by luke winton. i think if they hadn't come to britain i think all of us would have not survived the holocaust. that was a route to safety. i have to say, britain is a country that was incredibly welcoming, gave me a enormous opportunities, for which i

am always enormously grateful. i would like to feel other children who are having a terrible time in camps across europe could come to you england and have the same opportunities i've been given. martha mckenzie, i'm going to push back on the figures, this local authorities. the number of asylum seeking children in england increased by 4000 last year and a vast majority are providing support for these young people. you are telling a very different story. we understand the need to consult with local authorities. there has to be space for these children and they have to be cared for properly. what is critical is those safe routes to get the uk. a lot of those children will have arrived spontaneously on their own, falling into the hands of people traffickers, smugglers, some even died en route to the uk. the dubs amendment scheme made sure they we re dubs amendment scheme made sure they were not just brought dubs amendment scheme made sure they were notjust brought hibbert safely. yes. what we saw during the calais camp clearances the number of

children arriving spontaneously fell down. we have to make those safe routes for children to get here so they are not risking their lives. thank you both very much for talking to us. and at about 10.30am, labour are asking an urgent question about the closure of the child migrant scheme, we'll bring you full coverage of that. that about 10:30am. still to come... orangutans can talk. a kiss squeak. scientists studying the animals say their eavesdropping has shed light on the origin of human language. the latest news and sport in a moment. let's get the latest weather update — with carol. can you warm us up please? i wish i could but a cold day today.

a lot of cloud on some of that is producing wintry showers. not everywhere. this area of high pressure is blocking fronts coming in from the atlantic, dragging cold airfrom the continent in from the atlantic, dragging cold air from the continent across our shores. if you look at the squeeze on those isobars it's telling us it will be pretty windy, especially in the west. the winds in the north—west will slowly come down through the day. in western parts of the uk we will see some sunshine with one or two exceptions. central and eastern areas, we have the cloud and eastern areas, we have the cloud and wintry showers. over the next few days the drill will be down the east coast of scotland and england you are likely to see a mixture of rain and or sleet. come inland and that becomes a mixture of sleet and or snow. the showers, not everyone will see them. today there will be a lot of dry weather around. quite a grey day and a cold today. maximum temperature in london will be four celsius. the cloud continues as we drift towards bristol. in parts of

devon and cornwall, some sunshine but not immune to the odd shower. for west wales we are also looking at some sunshine but the rest of wales will be fairly cloudy and it will feel cold. northern ireland, bright spells, fewer showers this afternoon and some sunny spells. through the evening and overnight we hang onto this keenly easterly wind coming off the cold continent. still a lot of cloud and wintry showers. clear skies across north—west scotla nd clear skies across north—west scotland and west wales means here there will be some frost, meaning you could have to scrape your windscreen first thing in the morning. elsewhere, with the cloud on the breeze, although subzero temperatures, it is still going to feel pretty cold. you may not see that frost. tomorrow, windy, the wind coming off the continent. down the east coast through central areas once again we have the combination of cloud, rain, sleet and snow. up to six centimetres, in the northern isles, just over two inches. despite the fact those are

the kind of temperature values you may see on your thermometer, with the wind it will feel cold. into saturday, organised band of rain, sleet and snow coming from the east. it will be drifting further west. note how the wind has changed more of north—easterly. that will exacerbate cold feel of the weather which at best we are looking at between 4—5 or maybe six. sunday, sunday it's going to feel raw. dragging him this cold wind from the near continent. there will bea from the near continent. there will be a lot of dry weather around on sunday, some brighter skies, a little sunshine in scotland and northern ireland but we will still have that mixture of wintry showers. along the east coast a mixture of rain and sleet and as we push inland, we're looking at a mixture of some snow and also some sleet showers as well. it certainly isn't getting warmer in the next few days.

hello, it's thursday, it's10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. december was bad but it looks like january was the worst month for a&e delays in england since records began. the bbc has seen figures showing record numbers of patients left waiting on trolleys for more than 12 hours for a hospital bed. brexit is causing friction in the labour party. but leaderjeremy corbyn insists the resignation of shadow business secretary clive lewis for voting against the brexit bill was "not a disaster". meanwhile the government say it is the patriotic duty of peers not to oppose brexit. chucked out for complaining about the housing conditions. rogue landlords are still evicting tenants who complain about poor housing conditions, despite a new law aimed

at preventing it happening. the smell inside this room is vile. when you look at this, i would describe it as mould, dump. it smells bad. here's ben in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. new figures from nhs england show that in december 86% of patients were admitted, transferred or discharged from a&e within four hours of arrival. that's well below the standard of 95%, and below november's figure of 88%. provisional figures leaked to the bbc suggest that last month the figure went down to 82%, the lowest since records began in 2004. the department of health insists the vast majority of patients are treated quickly. downing street has attempted to play down an earlier threat by a government source that the house of lords could be abolished if peers tried to block the government's bill to begin the process of leaving the eu. last night, the commons

overwhelmingly backed the legislation without any amendments. more than 50 labour mps defied jeremy corbyn and voted against the proposals. the shadow home secretary yvette cooper is asking an urgent question in the commons this morning on the closure of the programme to welcome unaccompanied child refugees. when the dubs amendment was introduced last year, campaigners hoped thousands of children would benefit. by the time the system closes next month, just 350 children will have been taken in to britain. it was designed by lord dubs, who's described the decision as ‘shameful.’ there was absolutely no need for this. we had a scheme, i visited some of the greek refugee camps in january, the situation there is pretty desperate. there are children there and need something better than there and need something better than the freezing cold and no help and support, so i think it is a very disappointing decision and edit the government have gone back on their word. new laws introduced last year

to protect tenants in england from so—called "revenge evictions" aren't working, according to mps and housing lawyers. a bbc freedom of information request found that there may be hundreds of thousands of tenants afraid to report things like damp, faulty electrics and broken boilers, for fear of being evicted. the mother of an 11—year—old transgender girl who was shot with an air—gun claims her school has not done enough to stop the bullying. she said five months of bullying has had a "terrible effect" on her daughter. greater manchester police confirmed it's investigating the shooting. the school said it took the attack "very seriously" and had expelled the pupil concerned. british scientists studying the calls of one of our closest ape relatives say they've revealed the origins of the earliest words. the researchers recorded and analysed thousands of orangutan squeaks over several years to learn how human language began. we will be speaking to the lead

author of that research in the next hour. an australian man has survived spending hours struggling to keep his nose above water after his excavator rolled into a dam. daniel miller had been riding the machine at his remote property north of sydney when the edge of the dam gave way, and he was pinned down by the three—tonne excavator. he said he adopted a yoga pose and spent the whole time thinking about his wife and their two young children. i went to a very, almost robotic state of dust, count to 60, don't think about six hours, think about 60 seconds 60 seconds, moved my arms, readjust, count to 60 again, another 60 seconds. move my arms, readjust, just wait and try to be calm and logical. i watched cricket

climb upa calm and logical. i watched cricket climb up a piece of grass two hours. i was stuck, there was nothing i could do. lucky man. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30am. thank you for your comments about your experience of a&e. figures out today showing that the target for four hours waiting in a&e was not met in december and january. allianz text said, my son, six years of age, waited three hours in a&e with a fractured wrist and was sent home without painkillers. three days later we went as a gp and were sent back to a&e for an x—ray. there are positive stories, janet says, my husband has terminal cancer and we have had three occasions of going to a&e in scotland, on each occasion we have had caring staff who have dealt with us as promptly as possible, sometimes we have to wait, we are patients after all. why don't be less urgent cases display some patience and be grateful that we have a caring service.

bridge says, i work in a busy a&e department and suggest the people who attend with a nonemergency should be charged. there are no facilities for after—care for elderly patients and mental health patients because of bed—blocking. there is nowhere to send patients that do need admitting. if anyone has watched the programme hospital on bbc two, it shows this, it makes me stressed just to watch. coming up, aftera me stressed just to watch. coming up, after a transgender people in manchester was shocked by fellow people with an airgun, we will hear from fellow people with an airgun, we will hearfrom her fellow people with an airgun, we will hear from her mother. before that, the sport. is it time to scrap fa cup replays? derby manager steve mcclaren seems to think so after he made eight of the 18 overall changes in their defeat to leicester in the fourth round. so neither team appeared to fancy the extra game, but it still turned out to be an entertaining one. andy king put leicester ahead before abdoul camera's deflected

free—kick forced extra time. leicester restored their lead through substitute wilfred ndidi, his first goal for the club, and demarai gray's superb solo goal secured their place in the fifth round. leicester now play millwall away. tonight was about the squad, injured players coming back and getting the game, just giving them minutes. towards the end of the season, when it is going to be important for us, we need everybody. we missed our opportunity in the first game, we didn't want the replay but it was a great game, fantastic support from ourfans, andi great game, fantastic support from ourfans, and i couldn't fault the players. we want to do well in all the competition where we play. of course we want to go forward in the fa cup. the premier league is not so good

but we have to stay in the premier league and for us now that is the focus on sunday. mps will debate the football associations "failure to reform" later today. it follows a motion of no confidence in the governing body. parliament will examine whether the fa is fit for purpose. lastjuly, sports minister tracey crouch said the governing body would lose its £30—£40 million of public funding if it did not reform. britain is aiming to become one of the world's top five skiing and snowboarding nations by 2030. in exactly a year's time the winter olympics start in south korea and the team gb chef de mission says great britain can achieve its best ever games. the current record medal haul is four in 1924 and at the last event in sochi. achieved in part by jennyjones‘ bronze and she thinks the team can go

at least one better. dave riding is getting great results. there are athletes getting podium result over this winter, which has been awesome, and in skiing you have gotjames which has been awesome, and in skiing you have got james woods, who just won, katie ormerod came second at air and style, so i think it is achievable. tiger woods has admitted he will "never feel great" again. he returned to golf after more than a year out in december following a second major back operation. but had to pull out of the dubai desert classic earlier this month because of spasms. he also revelaed there have been times he didn't think he'd be able to play again. that is all for now, the headlines after 10:30am. let's go to westminster when norman has the latest on brexit and whether the house of lords ultravox banner

in the works. is it all go for brexit, do you believe, norman smith, political guru? my my sense is mrs may has her foot on the gas and is in cruise control. look at what happened in the commons, the majority she got for her brexit bill are humongous. last night she got 370, and if you think there were hundreds of amendments put down to the bill, not a single one got past, so now that it goes to the house of lords, if you are at pier, you are thinking, gosh, cannot really oppose this because it got such a stonking majority in the commons. more than that, the government is trying to crank up the pressure on peers with dire warning sounded last night, one government source sending a text to journalists saying that if peers sought to frustrate brexit then there would be an overwhelming demand for the house of lords to be abolished, and that

is what we were hearing from other mid loyalists like the tory mpjames cleverly this morning. when the british people voted in huge numbers — the largest popular mandate in british political history — for the lords to try and undermine or subvert that will put them in a constitutionally very, very difficult place. but it's a pragmatic place. i think there are a lot of people there who understand the implications of trying to distort or delay or even undermine this bill. could they really get rid of the lords over this?! i was trying to get my phone out but iam too i was trying to get my phone out but i am too slow! the reason is this morning i was sent text messages by downing street in effect saying, hang on, we didn't mean to say we we re hang on, we didn't mean to say we were going to abolish the house of lords, actually we are relaxed about the house of lords scrutinising and debating this bill. the reason for thatis debating this bill. the reason for that is they know full well if they go round threatening to land a blow on the house of lords, that will

backfire, many peers will think, ok, we will be difficult if that is the attitude you are going to take! so now we are seeing attitude you are going to take! so now we are seeing the government backtracked from that initial threat, although to be there to david davis, the brexit secretary, last night he struck a different mode. these bloodcurdling things are silly. below is an important institution, i expected to do its job and do its patriotic duty and give us the right to go on and negotiate that the relationship. and what is the state of the labour party this morning, would you say? gosh, where to begin. a lot of labour people are very, very angry that they have ended up in a position where they have effectively backed the government, and although jeremy corbyn ordered his mps to do that there was a revolt by about 50 labour mps. significantly we had clive lewis, yesterday we had him

coming out of his house and issuing that statement saying he was thinking about what he was going to do and it was all very difficult, but he has now resigned. that has sparked a lot of question marks about whether there could be a move against mr corbyn again. i don't think that is likely in the short—term but it has just started that whole this morning. mr corbyn, when he was pressed earlier today, again insisted he thinks he took the right decision to back brexit. no, it's not a disaster. look, the majority of labour mps voted to trigger article 50. 50—odd voted against it, mainly on a basis of a strong message from their own constituents. my argument is it was a national vote, it was a national referendum and parliament has to respect that. on all the other votes, there is unity. on all the other campaigning points, there is unity. let me finish with this, it made me laugh. this is a tweak here from a

quy laugh. this is a tweak here from a guy called stuart wood, who used to be basically ed miliband's right—hand man, lamenting where labour is. i think that gives you a sense of the feeling amongst many people that really, over brexit, they made a bit ofa really, over brexit, they made a bit of a hash of it. thank you, norman. still to come... we've been speaking to the mother, whose 11—year—old transgender child was bullied for months and shot with a ball bearing gun by a fellow pupil. a new law designed to help protect people renting homes from rogue landlords isn't working, say mps and housing lawyers. things like faulty electrics, damp and broken boilers that don't get fixed when it's cold are all things that are officially classed as category one hazards which pose a risk to health. but many private tenants are worried that if they complain too much, they will be evicted. the law in england changed in 2015 to make "revenge evictions" illegal. but, despite that change,

figures gathered by radio 1 newsbeat through freedom of information requests show that more than half of local councils across england say they haven't stopped any. damp, mould, faulty electrics and broken windows and boilers that don't get fixed when it's cold. they're all classed as category one hazards, in other words — they're so bad that they pose a risk to people's help. and they are all things that this man from leeds city council's rogue landlords unit is all—too—familiar with. what is that? that's all damp that has been leaking from outside the guttering that we showed. you might expect tenants to complain about problems like these, but many don't. that's partly because they fear being forced out of their home as a result. a practice known as revenge eviction, something that is supposed to be illegal. this is rented out as private accomdation. it is.

people are living in it. yes, that is right. people paying to rent here, making complaints, nothing is happening and then they could be under the threat of a revenge eviction for making them. that is the reason why people are not coming forward to the council to make a complaint. and that's exactly what happened to helen, she was living with her mum, sister and baby daughter in a rented home with lots of problems — including damp. it was horrible, after months of complaining we got a firm of solicitors in who deal with properties in these states of disrepair. they checked the property, they agreed that it was damp and something needed to be done, so they wrote to our landlord and instructed that work needed to be done on the property and within a week of him receiving that we received a section 21 eviction notice pushed under our door. because of what happened to people like helen a new law was introduced in october 2015 to try and stop retaliatory, or so—called revenge evictions. but, exclusive figures gathered in a freedom of information requests

to hundreds of local authorities right across england, which have the power to stop them, show that more than half haven't stopped any. 26% don't record figures. and fewer than one in five have taken any action at all. we're talking about landlords who are trying to avoid carrying out their responsibilities as a landlord, to keep their properties in a good state of repair, and if asked a simple question like: "will you a do repair for me?", they threaten someone with an eviction to shut them up. they are the landlords we have got to get out. they're going to be in the worst properties sometimes people living in the worst conditions. so, that's the biggest challenge for everybody. the government says prevent evictions are rare and that because of the new law it's given local councils all the powers they need to stop them. thankfully for helen, she was able to find a new home. my landlord is great, i can't complain about him. i don't have to contact him unless something does pop up. but not everyone is so lucky. we can speak to giles peaker,

former chair of the housing law practitioners association. carolyn uphill, chairman of the national landlords association. and kate webb shelter‘s head of policy. and sarah ryan who has an experience to share with us. we had a bathroom that was leaking into our kitchen downstairs. essentially when we asked for it to be repaired, the landlord took about two weeks and then when i really pushed and said, you do have an obligation to do this, that afternoon we were served with a section 21 notice asking us to leave. how did you react? it was really frightening, actually, because about two weeks previous i had extended my fixed term tenancy for six months. it was clear to me the reason she had served that

notice was because i asked for the repairs to be made. you will know that revenge evictions are illegal now. yes. but it appears either people aren't telling councils when they have an issue with our landlord or councils aren't doing what they are supposed to do under the legislation that gives them the power to clamp down on rogue landlords. yes, welll power to clamp down on rogue landlords. yes, well i was in a bit ofa landlords. yes, well i was in a bit of a predicament because i'd actually moved to a new area from where i grew up. when i went to the local council for where i live where i grew up. when i went to the local councilfor where i live now they said i they had no obligation to help me. when i contacted the old council they said they didn't have an obligation to help me either circus catch—22. an obligation to help me either circus catch-22. is this law ineffective? it's not widely being used. does that mean it's not being used. does that mean it's not being used or councils have got their head round it yet? that are two problems,

the threshold in the law, the council has to serve an improvement notice or emergency repairs notice before retaliatory eviction happens. the second problem is that councils, for one reason or another, are not taking action. i think a lot of the time it is resources. environmental health departments, some of them haven't even got environmental health problems any more and they are reluctant to serve notices. let me bring you in from shelter, why is networking? the law is only the first step to tackle the most extreme cases. i agree that it comes down to lack of resources and very few people going through the formal process. but the law is trying to push water uphill. we have a law that says you can evict people for no reason whatsoever, so until we tackle that it will be very easy for landlords to use evictions in this way, to evade looking after their properties and tenants. you are

german of the national landlords association. we know revenge evictions are pretty rare, affect about 2% of tenancies but when they happen they are devastating, aren't they? certainly they are. what sarah's story reveals if a landlord who doesn't respond to repair where there is a leak going from the bathroom through the ceiling to the kitchen is a poor investor and a fall to themselves could eventually that will do major damage to the property. but that is no consolation to sarah, who was evicted? obviously under the new law she shouldn't be able to be evicted because that's what the law is designed to protect, to avoid. what this story is really about is a lack of enforcement. councils have the powers to deal with these issues and if they would use them, they could drive the rogues out of the sector, which we certainly would like to see and i think sensible and responsible landlords would as well. would you agree with that, giles? councils have the power, the government would

say they have... you shake your head in disagreement. may have some important powers and the government, to their credit, had given them much more powers, but it's still not enough to write this imbalance. you are raising eyebrows.” enough to write this imbalance. you are raising eyebrows. i would agree, to be honest. i think there are, certainly with the retaliatory eviction laws, there is a very narrow time window in which the council can take a step towards this not happening, about three months. to inspect and decide whether to serve a notice, to serve the formal notice that timescale for overstretched and under resourced departments, it just doesn't overstretched and under resourced departments, itjust doesn't happen. let me read this e—mailfrom departments, itjust doesn't happen. let me read this e—mail from agnes. we live in a bungalow five bedrooms or with we live in a bungalow five bedrooms orwith damp, we live in a bungalow five bedrooms or with damp, note central heating. a boarded—up window. the ceiling is mouldy and damp because there is no ventilation. we have asked the

landlord on several occasions to fix these things but time and time again he says he will put our rent up if he says he will put our rent up if he has to come and sort it out. we are infearof he has to come and sort it out. we are in fear of getting evicted if we ta ke are in fear of getting evicted if we take things further and we've lived in this state for years, because of that fear. what can we do? please help. let me ask you from the national landlords association, clearly broken landlord, what agnes do? follow the new law. they should report the matter to the landlord in writing, that's the first step. if the landlord doesn't give a reasonable response within 14 days, which is a plan of action to put things right, they should report the matter to the council. damp can be a category one hazard, the council can issue enforcement action. in the meantime, the council cannot survey section 21 notice to remove the tenant. let's keep this in proportion, because they sensible investor does not actually want to lose a reliable, paying tenant. they wa nt to lose a reliable, paying tenant. they want to maintain the property they have invested in. so this isn't a

problem with the majority of landlords, it's a minority of rogue landlords, it's a minority of rogue landlords and council should enforce. giles? it's not necessarily a small problem. the government's figures showed 20% of the private sector doesn't meet standards. 2% revenge sector doesn't meet standards. 296 revenge evictions? 296 have been evicted or threatened but the proportion of homes that don't meet the standard is much higher. but going back to agnes' problem, the question is why is about what agnes should do? why aren't the government stepping in and giving tenants genuine security and why are we building more high—quality homes, so people like agnes don't feel stuck somewhere where they can't afford an alternative on the conditions they are living in a absolutely appalling? the government would say they are trying to address those issues with the housing white paper we spoke about earlier this week. sarah, what is your situation now? we have actually managed to buy a house. we were in the process at the

time of buying, which is why we extended our tenancy but we nearly lost it because we had nowhere else to live for that six—month period. good luck with the house. we were in the process at the time of buying, which is why we extended our tenancy but we nearly lost it because we had nowhere else to live for that six—month period. good luck with the house—buying. thank you for coming on the programme. thank you all. police in greater manchester say they're investigating after a young transgender schoolgirl was shot with a ball bearing gun by a fellow pupil. the 11—year—old girl was not injured but her parents say it's just the latest incident of extreme bullying that their daughter has suffered for five months because she's transgender. the girls mum, who's asked not to be named, has been speaking to bbc radio manchester about the moment she found out what had happened to her daughter. last week i went to the school at 11:30am, because i had a prearranged meeting because of an incident that

had happened on monday. they then told me that my child had been shot bya bb told me that my child had been shot by a bb gun by another pupil. when i finally saw my child, she came into the room, she was shaking, she sat on the chair rocking and staring into space. i was completely shocked when i saw her. i spoke about what had happened and i said i was calling the police, they hadn't called the police. i also said, why didn't you phone me sooner? ifound out it happened at 9:15am, so this was over two hours later that i found out my child had been shot with a bb gun. physically she wasn't unhurt but mentally and emotionally this has had a huge impact on her. our child came home to us in december, after a particularly bad week of bullying at the beginning of december, and said to us that she couldn't take any more, she was going to throw herself off a bridge. that is the worst word that any pa rent that is the worst word that any parent could ever hear. i remember when she told us that she didn't feel she was in the right body. i'd

read up on the suicide rates of young people who were transgender andi young people who were transgender and i said, the first thing i said was, my child will not be one of those children who killed themselves. goodness me. with me now is susie green, she's the ceo of the charity mermaids, which supports parents of transgender children. without breaking any confidences, tell us more about this horrific case? the family came to mermaids a couple of years ago about how to support their child. they had been dealing with their child stating they weren't really a boy, were a girland became they weren't really a boy, were a girl and became involved with the pa rents girl and became involved with the parents group. up until secondary school, things went very well. she transitioned primary, it was supported really well the school we re supported really well the school were really good. going into secondary school bullying started almost immediately. the effect it had on the family was horrendous. it started at a low level, escalated and then mum went into school, talk

to pupils and it seemed to quieten down but then we've had some really negative press regarding parents of transgender children over the negative press regarding parents of tra nsgender children over the last few months and we've seen a direct escalation since then. this family is in bits. it's horrendous. there's nothing worse than hearing your child say they don't want to be alive. i've been through that myself with my own daughter and that's what they are now facing. every school is supposed to have an anti—bullying policy. this is failing in this particular case, clearly. clearly. and i think as well, the anti—bullying policies schools have very rarely addressed transgender pupils or how to deal with transgender pupils in schools are often completely at a loss of what to do. so they avoid it, rather than dealing with that. i know that one incident that the mum has reported back to the parents group, an older boys that they were going to beat up

their daughter and they were allowed to do so because she was a boy and not really a girl. the school said they couldn't do anything about that because there were no witnesses. wow. when this particular girl arrived at this secondary school, was she open about the fact she was transgender? i know some children transition from primary to secondary without telling anybody. theyjust arrived as a girl or a boy with a new name. she arrived as a girl and with her new name and that's what was on the register, but she wasn't, she was open, because there were a number of pupils who had gone up from primary school with her, so new about her history. one girl actually went up to her one time in the corridor and whispered to her, i know you're not really a girl, i know you're really a boy. then this young girl then basically stood and shouted out, just so everybody knows, i'm transgender. she's an incredible

child. this has had a real impact on her emotional health. we have a statement from school. we are not naming the school to protect the girl's identity. this matter has been treated very seriously and the pupil who fired the ball bearing gun has been permanently excluded. we wish to send a message out to our community that this behaviour is com pletely u na cce pta ble community that this behaviour is completely unacceptable and will result in removalfrom our school. we've enlisted the support of a national organisation to help pass further with training of staff... is that you? they say stonewall, they were contacted but haven't done any work with the school. we are talking about going in and doing some training but it hasn't been arranged yet. we have met with the parents of the pupil to apologise to see what we can do further a school.” the pupil to apologise to see what we can do further a school. i think if they'd have addressed the earlier incidents with far more severity, this probably wouldn't have got to the stage it's that now. zero tolerance. absolutely, zero

tolerance. absolutely, zero tolerance. that's what it should. anyone dealing with this sort of level of hate crime, and that's what it is, i hate crime, it shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstances and this has been allowed to just escalate as it has. if it had been dealt with properly in the beginning of this child wouldn't have been damaged so badly by. thank you very much, thank you for talking to us. susie green, the ceo of the charity mermaids, a charity that supports pa rents of mermaids, a charity that supports parents of transgender children. this is the scene in the house of commons now where the shadow home secretary yvette cooper is shortly to ask an urgent question on the closure of the programme to welcome child refugees to britain. known as the dubs amendment, we spoke to lord dubs earlier, the peer who campaigned for this to be introduced he told us he's really disappointed that the scheme is going to be closed at the end of march. as soon as yvette cooper stand up,

we will cross back live to the commons. still to come... a&e waiting times in english hospitals are longer than ever. we'll be getting some of the political reaction. orangutans can talk — scientists studying the animals say their eavesdropping has shed light on the origin of human language. with the news, here's ben in the bbc newsroom. new figures from nhs england show that in december 86% of patients were admitted, transferred or discharged from a&e within four hours of arrival. that's well below the standard of 95%, and below november's figure of 88%. provisional figures leaked to the bbc suggest that last month the figure went down to 82%, the lowest since records began in 2004. figures also suggest record numbers of people waited longer than 12 hours for a hospital bed.

the shadow home secretary yvette cooper is raising an urgent question about the closure of the programme to welcome unaccompanied child refugees. it was hoped thousands would benefit but by the time the programme closes next month only 350 will have benefit. lord dubs told this programme the decision is a com plete this programme the decision is a complete u—turn. new laws introduced last year to protect tenants in england from so—called "revenge evictions" aren't working, according to mps and housing lawyers. a bbc freedom of information request found that there may be hundreds of thousands of tenants afraid to report things like damp, faulty electrics and broken boilers, for fear of being evicted. downing street has attempted to play down an earlier threat by a government source that the house of lords could be abolished if peers tried to block the government's bill to begin the process of leaving the eu. last night, the commons overwhelmingly backed the legislation without any amendments. more than 50 labour mps defied

jeremy corbyn and voted against the proposals. an australian man has survived spending hours struggling to keep his nose above water after his excavator rolled into a dam. daniel miller had been riding the machine at his remote property north of sydney when the edge of the dam gave way, and he was pinned down. he said he adopted a yoga pose and spent the whole time thinking about his wife and their two young children. that's a summary of the latest news, join me for bbc newsroom live at 11am. here's the sport now, with hugh. leicester might be flirting with relegation in the league, but they're through to the fa cup 5th round today after beating derby 3—1 in extra time. andy king put leicester ahead before abdoul camera's deflected free—kick forced extra time. leicester restored their lead through substitute wilfred ndidi, his first goal for the club, and demarai gray's solo goal secured

their place in the fifth round. mps will debate the football associations "failure to reform" later today. it follows a motion of no confidence in the governing body. parliament will examine whether the fa is fit for purpose. britain is aiming to become one of the world's top five skiing and snowboarding nations by 2030. the winter olympics in south korea start a year today, and the team gb chef de mission says they can beat their best medal haul of four in pyeongchang. tiger woods has said he will "never feel great" again. he's just come back from a second back operation but pulled out of the dubai desert classic earlier this month because of spasms. he also admitted there have been times he didn't think he'd be able to return to golf. those are the headlines for now, more later on. we will go back to the commons when

yvette cooper asked that question about the closure of the dubs scheme to bring unaccompanied child migrants to the uk, as soon as she stands up to speak we will cross back there. more now on this morning's top story, the official a&e figures for england in december were the worst since records began in 2004. our health editor hugh pym is here to explain what these figures mean. these are the benchmarks, that 95% of patients should be assessed within four hours and that has been missed for more than a year, so people have got used to that, but we learned that in december it was a figure of 86.2, the worst since these records began in 2004 and the target was introduced. overnight the bbc had a leak on provisional figures forjanuary which showed it will be even worse, suggested it

was, at 82%. these are the official figures saying december was pretty bad, we gather from what we have heard from our sources that january will be even worse. is there any possibility that the target could be scrapped all redefined so that it doesn't look as bad? work is going on to redefine it because what ministers are saying is, given the huge volume of patients coming in, some of whom don't need to be there, is there a better way of measuring it? they wa nt to better way of measuring it? they want to come up with something that measures urgent cases and how many are treated and assessed within four hours, but it is being made clear that if they scrap the target i have been referring to it would look like they are trying to evade the problem soi they are trying to evade the problem so i think they will keep it and come up with an extra one. iam going come up with an extra one. i am going to interrupt go back to the house of commons to hear yvette cooper asking about the dubs scheme. secretary of state for the homeland

department, secretary amber rudd. mr speaker, the government takes the plight of asylum seeking children extremely seriously. that is why we pledged over £2.3 billion in aid to the syrian conflict, our largest ever humanitarian response to a single crisis. the uk has contributed significantly to hosting, supporting and protecting the most vulnerable children affected by the migration crisis. in the year ending september 2016 week granted asylum or another form the year ending september 2016 week granted asylum or anotherform of leave to over 800 children. of the 4400 children settled through the syrian vulnerable persons resettlement scheme so far, around half our children. within europe in 2016 we transferred over 900 unaccompanied asylum seeking children to the uk. this included more than 750 from france as part of the uk's support for the calais camp clea ra nce. the uk's support for the calais camp

clearance. and i'm proud that as home secretary the uk played such a key role in supporting the french to safely and compassionately close the camp. yesterday, the government announced that in accordance with section 67 of the immigration act, we will transfer the specified number of 350 children pursuant to that section who reasonably meet the intention and spirit behind the provision. this number includes over 200 children already transferred under section 67 from france, and i wa nt to under section 67 from france, and i want to be absolutely clear, the scheme is not closed. as required by the legislation, we have consulted with local authorities on their capacity to care for unaccompanied asylu m capacity to care for unaccompanied asylum seeking children before arriving at the number, and we're grateful for the way which local authorities have stepped up to provide places to those arriving, and we will continue to work closely to address capacity needs. the

government has always been clear that we do not want to incentivise perilous journeys to europe, particularly by the most vulnerable children. that is why children must have arrived in europe before march 20 2016th to be eligible under section 67 of the immigration act. the obligation was accepted on the basis that the measure would not act as a pull factor for children to europe and would be based on local authority capacity. the government has a clear strategy and we believe that this is the right approach. here in the uk we have launched the national transfer scheme and significantly increased funding for local authorities caring for unaccompanied asylum seeking children by between 20 and 28%. the government has taken significant steps to improve an already comprehensive approach and we provide protection to thousands of children this year and i am proud of

this government's active approach to helping and sheltering the most vulnerable, and that is a position that will continue. yvette cooper. last week the prime minister said, on refugees, this government has a proud record of support and long may it continue. this week, the government cancelled the dubs scheme after it had been running for less than six months. she said it hasn't closed but will she confirm what it said ina closed but will she confirm what it said in a statement yesterday that once those 350 children are here, thatis once those 350 children are here, that is it, it is closed? where does it say in the hansard debates that i have hear from our debates it say in the hansard debates that i have hearfrom our debates on it say in the hansard debates that i have hear from our debates on the dubs amendment that we will only help lone child refugees for six months? where does it say that instead of the 3000 that parliament debated, we will help

only a tenth of that number. where does it say that when we get the chance we will turn our backs once ain? chance we will turn our backs once again? it doesn't, because we did not say that at the time. the home secretary knows that what she is doing is shameful. not only has she closed the programme but also cancelled the fast—track dublin scheme to help those with family that are here. the home secretary did good work in autumn last year andi did good work in autumn last year and i commended herfor it, to help those in calais and make sure that we could take as many children as possible. but she also knows most of those have family here already and they were entitled to be year. she said local councils can't do more, the truth is many local councils have said they can with more support or more time. it takes time to set up the schemes and they should not be closed down so quickly, and there are still so many children in need of help. she knows there are thousands in greece in overcrowded accommodation or homeless, or in italy, still at risk of human trafficking. teenagers in french centres being closed down, they have nowhere left to go. she talked about clearing calais, they are heading back to calais, back to

dunkirk, back to the mud, the danger, back to the arms of the people traffickers, the smugglers, the exploitation, abuse, prostitution rings, back into the modern slavery that this parliament and this government has pledged to end. yvette cooper making a point to the home secretary amber rudd, yvette cooper is a labour mp and chair of the home affairs select committee. we will keep listening across to the conversation and more on that story throughout the day here on bbc news. we will talk to another labour mp now about the accurate three issue. —— about the a&e issue. luciano berger is on the health select committee. leaked figures show that january is even worse than december. how do you respond? these are the barometer of our health service and these figures are the worst and it began in 2004 and shines a spotlight on how desperate it is across the

nhs system for hundreds and thousands of people across the country. would it be different if labour was in power? most certainly it would. the decisions that have been made since 2010, whether it is the cuts we have seen to social care, the reorganisation of the nhs, which cost billions of pounds and has created pressure in the system, all the cuts we have seen elsewhere which mean that people turn up at accident and emergency because they find themselves in a crisis or find themselves in an acute physical health condition, it is where people end up. i saw it myself first—hand when i was in a&e a few weeks ago. what happened ? when i was in a&e a few weeks ago. what happened? i was told to go by my gp because of a suspected clot on the long, i am pregnant, my gp because of a suspected clot on the long, iam pregnant, as my gp because of a suspected clot on the long, i am pregnant, as you can see, and found myself waiting for over 5.5 hours before i was put on a trolley, so i will be in the statistics that come out next month. i was kept in a&e for over 20 hours.

how long were you on a trolley? i was kept in a&e for over 20 hours. how long were you on a trolley7m the waiting room for 5.5 hours, then ona the waiting room for 5.5 hours, then on a trolley, i came around 8pm and it was not until 8am the next day that i was put on a bed. i have heard first—hand from the staff, talking amongst themselves at the shift changeover, you heard them saying how, in their view, shift changeover, you heard them saying how, in theirview, it shift changeover, you heard them saying how, in their view, it was u nsafe o n saying how, in their view, it was unsafe on that evening that i had beenin unsafe on that evening that i had been in a&e. the triage nurse herself said to me that they were not able to meet their own safety procedures. i was 30 weeks pregnant at the time and they told me how normally i would be taken straight through but unfortunately because of the volume of people there, many ambulances that were waiting to admit people into hospital, it was totally overflowing. are you all right? i'm fine thank you, yes. you only have to look at programmes we have seen on the bbc across the past

week to know that this is the reality on the ground, we have seen the goalposts move, 2004 when the a&e waiting time targets was set up at 90%, the coalition government reduced it down to 95%, you heard from your health editor how the government may move the goalposts again. what we need is a focus on what to do to fix the problem, rather than mass kit. i want to ask about the historic night in the commons last night, historic night for theresa may and the brexit bill. you voted against it, againstjeremy corbyn's instructions. labourfailed it, againstjeremy corbyn's instructions. labour failed to amend the bill at all. there were loads of amendments. your party is in a mess over it, aren't they? i put my name to many amendments, the majority of which we voted on last night for many hours. one in particular was clause 11, the specific pledge that even those constituents of mine who

voted to leave the eu tell me was one of the motivating factors that led them, this pledge of £350 million for the nhs, very relevant to the discussion. and it failed. it failed. i represent a constituency in the city of liverpool, 50% voted to remain and for the figures that have been extrapolated, it was higherfor my have been extrapolated, it was higher for my own constituency. i've seen higher for my own constituency. i've seen first—hand the benefit of what being in the european union means for us, in terms of investment and jobs. i don't think anyone has a mandate, irrespective of what the decision was by the country, to lead us decision was by the country, to lead us down a path that was the economic ruin. rex is happening, it is going to happen. but the challengers, terms of... one of the reasons i made the decision, it was a principled decision and i respect those who had different principles and voted in different ways. one of the reasons was essentially article 50 will now be triggered and it is a

time—limited moment. i'm very concerned we are not in anyway or shape prepared to content with the realities and challenges we will face as the country, to negotiate our way down this path. thank you very much, luciana berger, thank you for coming on programme. coming up... orangutans can talk. we will talk about that with scientists in the next few minutes. mps will today debate a motion of ‘no confidence' into how the football association is run. greg clarke, the chairman of the fa, which is england's football's governing body, says he'll resign if they don't back his reform plans. i spoke to damian collins, who's the chairman of an influential group of mps sitting on the culture, media and sport committee, and former fa executive adrian bevington, about if parliament should get involved in this. the running of the fa in england, what does it have to do with you and your colleagues? we were invited by

three former chairman of the football association and chief executive ‘s to propose legislation to reform the fa. there has been debate for many years about the need for the fa to reformat and restructure. the chairman saying it is impossible for the fa to reform itself because it requires lots of big interest in trouble giving up hours they enjoy and they won't do that. so they offend the only way you can restructure or read from the fa as if legislation is passed to. you worked for the english fa for many years, are the former chairman right? the only way to change the fa is for the government to introduce legislation? well, i'd like to see greg clark being given the chance to actually propose reforms he's been working on, before we try and sign off on that lets give the current chairman chance to deliver. is there any reason to think greg clark can deliver when greg dyke couldn't,

david bernstein couldn't and various other men?. there is an air of confidence coming from within the fa at the moment with regards to this. i've spoken to various people. i believed the deadline everyone was working to is towards the end of march, beginning of april, which is what the sports minister says. greg has been all over the country meeting with the stakeholders. there isa meeting with the stakeholders. there is a real commitment within the fa, that has been for a long time, to improve much needed diversity, especially fa council level. we need many more women involved, both that council and at board level. damian collins, your own sport select committee is much smaller than the fa council, about the same size as the fa board. what is the make up of your own committee? we only have one woman on the committee. is everyone white? yes, everyone white and only one woman. why i do the right people

to debate this? this issue goes back yea rs to debate this? this issue goes back years in parliament. why are you the right people to debate this? we are the sports committee of parliament, we have put forward proposals in the past. you don't represent the population either. i wish there were more women on the committee and in parliament. that is a side issue. there is no dispute across parliament about the proposals we've put forward. the reason we are having the debate today is to say we have strong views, lots of people have strong views, lots of people have strong views, let's ask the whole of the house of commons if they agree with us, that legislation is the only way to reform the fa? do they agree with the former fa chairman that you can only reform it with registration? the final fought with registration? the final fought with you, the german greg clark has upped the stakes and said he will resign as chairman if he fails to deliver the reforms he wants to get through. —— the chairman greg clark. what are the chance of him getting those reforms through?” what are the chance of him getting those reforms through? i hope he

doesn't resign. i'm increasingly confident from what i've been told that the work he's doing internally, across the game and also the working relationship he has with tracy crouch will not lead to that. i hope we can continue with greg clark as chairman ina we can continue with greg clark as chairman in a much more diverse fa, following on with the good work they already do, which is often forgotten. thank you both very much forgotten. thank you both very much for coming on the programme. richard conwayjoins us. if they don't reform, what could they do? any sporting body that receives lottery funding public funding could lose that if they don't meet new requirements. that means gender diversity on boards, boards being the decision—makers. money could be taken away from the fa and given to other organisations. the big question for the men on the councillors do they care about that? the fa can live without that money. that is what is at stake. greg clark has to convince the fa councillors

that they really need to change otherwise is cash could be gone. thank you very much, richard. the developments in evolution between humans and our ape ancestors have long been debated. now, scientists may have uncovered the origins of human language. researchers from durham and liverpool john moore universities spent years eavesdropping on orangutans, and they analysed more than 5,000 of their "kiss squeaks" that sound like this. squeaky sound. how cute was that? we can speak to professor serge wich, a primate biologist at liverpooljohn moore university who is the lead author in the study. hello professor, good morning. what is that kiss squeak, what are they saying to each other when they make that noise? they say several things to each other. they can say, i am

from this particular population. it gives information about who they are, whether they are male or female and also a little bit about the context in which they make the sound. it provides quite a bit of information in a very odd sounding sound. yeah. what does it have to do with the way we speak? well, all our words were made of co nsta nce well, all our words were made of constance and vowels. a lot of our research has focused on fouls and we a lwa ys research has focused on fouls and we always thought most of the information is in vowel sounds. now this is a consonant sound, a lot of information about population and context. it means early on in our revolution the consonant sounds might have been important to relay messages. ok, i'm not sure i quite understand that professor. i'm sorry. are you saying the kiss squeaks are consonants? we always

thought they did not contain much information, that they were basically like an alarm call, just saying, i'm afraid or something like that, but now we've discovered there is as much information on these as in some of the vowel sounds that primates make. that means we look at a different way of how these might have been combined by our early a ncestors. have been combined by our early ancestors. right, i understand now. so that obviously illustrates all potentially illustrates how our language evolved ? yes, exactly. because it's sort of a mystery how those early phases of language and evolution happened, we re language and evolution happened, were there first consonants or vowels, how are they combined and what were the information being conveyed by the sounds? now we think

they were combined in a way to make a message redundant, so, in a way, the same message was repeated twice, both in a vowel sound or in a consonant sound, because the consonant sound, because the consonant contained so much information as well. are the orangutans saying anything else... could they be saying any other things apart from i'm a male, i'm here and i'm ready to reproduce if you want? they have a large number of sounds that they used in a whole array of contacts. these differ between populations. for instance the sound a mother uses to call an infa nt the sound a mother uses to call an infant differs between populations. it's like a dialect. the sounds that they make when they built a nest every evening differ between populations as well. those are dialects as well. thank you very much, professor. thank you for coming on the programme. yesterday we told you the high court

in malawi had granted madonna permission to adopt twins from the country. today she has posted this picture on social media. let's take a look. confirming she has adopted the little girls. she says she is overjoyed that they are now part of herfamily overjoyed that they are now part of her family and also said, "i'm deeply grateful to all of those allowing that make this possible and i asked the media du preez respect our privacy during this transitional time. "thank you to mark, a landlord who said, i'm fed up of attacks on landlord, you need to balance the views so you reflect how many tenants neglect properties and refuse to pay rent and landlord tough to put up with this for many months while strike to remove them and are left with bills of thousands of pounds to repair the damage. with no chance of making good the damage is. most landlords are conscientious and provide decent

properties for decent tenants but coverage in the media is almost a lwa ys coverage in the media is almost always biased, in favour of tenants rights. a quick one from andrew, i'm not sure the main issue is lack of enforcement. personally i would think mainly people don't know about this law that protects tenants in that way. thank you for those, we are back tomorrow at 9am. business life is next, with ben. maybe a covering of snow here or there. temperatures close to freezing. it stays cold through friday and saturday and cloudy as well. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11.

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