hello it's friday, 10th february, it's 9 o'clock, welcome to the programme. health secretaryjeremy hunt tells the bbc that waiting times of up to 13 hours in accident and emergency are completely unacceptable. he says he has a plan, but there's no quick fix, or a silver bullet. i'm doing thisjob because i want nhs to be the safest and best in the world and that kind of care is completely unacceptable. teachers say more children than ever are taking their worries into the classroom, but schools are struggling to support pupils‘ mental health, with little or no budget to provide help. it's awards season with the oscars in a couple of weeks and sunday sees our own version with the baftas. legendary film director ken loach is up for five nominations for his movie i daniel blake. the story of friendship between a joiner and a single mum katie. you have created a scene. i think you need... you need to leave the building. you're going to have to leave. it's ridiculous!

hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. the health secretary, jeremy hunt, says it's "completely unacceptable" that some patients are waiting up to 13 hours in a&e. in an exclusive bbc interview, he paid tribute to the hard work of staff, but said the problems of high demand were not unique to the nhs in england. our health editor hugh pym has more. nhs england figures this winter show the worst waiting time performance in a&e units since records began more than a decade ago. jeremy hunt paid tribute to the work of staff, but said that the problems of high patient demand were not unique to the nhs and all leading health systems were grappling with the same challenge. he said there was no silver bullet. i think it's wrong to suggest to people that these

profound challenges such as we face with an ageing population are ones where there's a silver bullet that you can solve the problem overnight. we have a very good plan, which has the support of nhs, it will take time to deliver. asked about bbc coverage this week of patients enduring lengthy waits in a&e and an elderly woman having to spend six months in hospital, because no care home place was available, he said he didn't want to make excuses and these examples were completely unacceptable. it is you know incredibly frustrating for me. i'm doing thisjob, because i want nhs care to be the safest and best in the world. and that kind of care is completely unacceptable. no one would want it for members of their own family. he added that problems over the sustainability of social care were not being actressed by the government. but sir robert francis, who carried out an inquiry into the mid—staffordshire scandal,

said it was inevitable that the same mistakes would be made again, if the current pressure on nhs resources continued. hugh pym, bbc news. now a summary of the rest of the day's news. a federal appeals court has refused to reinstate donald trump's ban on travellers from seven mainly muslim countries. the controversial immigration reform was suspended last week. the us president responded to the ruling saying there will be a legal challenge. the case is now likely to go to the supreme court. david willis reports. donald trump's sudden ban on visitors from seven mainly muslim nations caused chaos at airports and sparked protesting around the us. then, last week, a districtjudge in seattle granted a stay, and now, a san francisco—based appeals court has backed that stay, citing, among other things, that no one from those seven nations has carried out an attack on the us. the decision infuriated

donald trump. he wrote this. prompted the leader of one of the states leading the challenge to reply this. an appeal to the highest court in the land, the us supreme court, now seems likely. but that could put the decision in the hands of a court that's currently evenly devided, and a tie would leave the decision in place. donald trump maintains his ban is necessary in order to protect the us from terrorism, but it may yet be proven unconstitutional. and until he has his day in court, refugees from around the world and citizens of those seven muslim nations can continue to come into this country. david willis, bbc news, washington. the bbc has learned that the organisation responsible

for advising english health trusts on the security of staff is ending that work, despite a steep increase in attacks on doctors and nurses. nhs protect has confirmed that its role in hospital security will continue only until the end of march. our health correspondent robert pigott has this report. it's been a winter of queuing ambulances and long, tense waits in a&e. as the delays have lengthened, tempers have grown shorter and assaults on nhs staff in england have multiplied to a new high last year of more than 70,000. drjess brittain—george has justjoined a hospital where assaults are declining, but she's witnessed several elsewhere. i think you'll find most nhs staff can say at some point or another they've been attacked or felt unsafe at work. it's a running joke in the staff room, what's happened to me today or i've been hit again, something like that. everyone's on alert.

everyone's looking out for the patients they think are going to kick off. alan, not his real name, works for nhs protect. he claims it's deliberately avoided public discussion about ending its role in protecting staff. i think it's an absolute disgrace that we're turning our back on staff in the nhs. they are there to protect the public and we are there to protect them. it will have a material effect, in my view. i think assaults will go through the roof. nhs protect said it was consulting staff on proposals, under which our organisation would not be tasked with security management work. it added, it should be noted that keeping health service staff safe and secure has always been a responsibility of local nhs employers. but critics claim that without nhs protect‘s help and oversight, trusts will struggle to protect staff. they say there's a creeping acceptance that staff will be attacked, and too little will to protect them. and 10.15, we will be talking to nhs

staff and a former nhs security guard on that story. campaigners will go to the high court later to challenge the government's handling of the arrival of unaccompanied child refugees from europe. ministers have decided to end the scheme once 350 vulnerable children have been admitted. the campaigners argue that the government has failed to work closely enough with local councils who end up looking after the children. and we will be talking to a counsellor and somebody who came to the uk as an uncompanied child refugee. rail ticket machines cause so much confusion that a fifth of passengers who use them end up buying the wrong ticket, according to the rail regulator. it also found that while 7% of travellers underpay and could be fined, 13% are paying too much. the office of rail and road wants train companies to refund passengers who accidentally buy tickets which are too expensive for their journey.

train operators say they're planning to simplify fares. one in five students in independent schools received extra time to complete gcse and a—level exams last year. that's significantly higher than those who received the special measure in state schools, where the figure is fewer than one in eight. the difference has come to light following an analysis of official exam data by bbc radio 4's today programme. police in the netherlands say they've seized chemicals, big enough to produce one billion ecstasy pills. the haul was discovered inside a lorry near the belgian border. it included one—hundred—thousand bottles of hydrogen gas and fifteen thousand kilos of caustic soda. the netherlands is a major manufacturing hub for the drug. some distressing pictures from new zealand where hundreds of whales have died on a beach after they became stranded. the pilot whales were

discovered on farewell spit, on the south island. conservation department staff and volunteers are trying to save one hundred of them that are still alive. whale strandings at farewell spit are fairly common but this is the worst in living memory. hollywood star george clooney and his human rights lawyer wife amal are expecting twins, according to reports from the us. the couple married in venice in 2014. rumours began to circulate last month that mrs clooney was pregnant and the babies are reportedly due in june. the 39—year—old has represented a number of high profile figures, including former ukrainian prime minister yulia tymoshenko and australian wikileaks‘ founderjulian assange. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

at the standard network rate. later i will talk to the film director ken loach. also we would love to hear your thoughts on mental health in schools, if you have a per speck fif as a teacher, parent or pupil. do get in touch. let's get some sport now with hugh woozencroft. another busy weekend of six nations ahead hugh and plenty of mind games before wales‘ match with england. the psychology counts, including whether the roof will be on the stadium? yes, mind games are becoming integral in this year's six nations. the first weekend served to whet the appetite with a huge clash as england go to cardiff. eddie jones seemed in relaxed mood, but he may well have upset his wales

counter part. he seemed under the impression that the roof at the stadium would be closed as per his side's preference. but they waited until the 48—hour deadline to say they wanted the roof open. so that will be the case, as both sides have to agree to it to be closed. wales thought a closed roof would help them, by increasing the noise of support. but the support should still make a difference. england only just still make a difference. england onlyjust edged this fixture last year at twickenham and jones said that the players seemed petrified of the trip to cardiff. will he get the desired response from them? we will have to wait. england looking to make it 16 matches without defeat. soa make it 16 matches without defeat. so a huge game. it has to be said that two years ago when they played with the roof open, england won. we

will speak to fans about it later. football and arsene wenger has been upsetting some people. what has he been saying? when i read arsene wenger‘s comments, couldn't believe it. imagine the celtic fans should be more like rangers or newcastle's boss praising the sunderland faithful? i don't imagine pep guardiola saying their fans should be like jose guardiola saying their fans should be likejose mourinho's fans. especially to arsenal fans. they make their views known after every match and arsene wenger said they need to be more united like the supporters of spurs. some arsenal fa ns supporters of spurs. some arsenal fans have been saying it is time to 90, fans have been saying it is time to go, with arsene wenger in the last year of his contract. once again, thank you for taking care about my future. but that's not the most important you know. my future is in front of me every time i make a half

turn. so what is important for me is that arsenal football club goes well andl that arsenal football club goes well and i dedicate energy for the club to do well. his comments after back—to—back premier league deneats and a 3—1 defeat to chelsea leaves them 12 points behind in the title race. the wenger out brigade were out after that match and so is the long goodbye nearing its end? you have some hair—raising pictures from chile. i haven't seen them yet, but it sounds horrendous. yes, an austrian man breaking his own down hill speed record on a mountain bike in the desert without pedalling. he reached 10a.1mph. and one seriously

brave man. yes absolutely. would not fa ncy brave man. yes absolutely. would not fancy that. thank you very much. over 50% of schools are struggling to get mental health support for their pupils. that's according to research by one of the country's leading mental health charities. as well as having little or no budget to provide them, there's also a lack of skilled workers around the country that can offer support. the report from place 2 be also found 93% of school leaders say that more pupils bring their worries into the the classroom compared to 5 years ago. let's talk now to dr fiona pienaar, director of clinical services at place 2 be, paul harris, headmaster of curwen primary and nursery school in london and sian thomas in middlesbrough who had severe anxiety but was unable to get any help from her school. thank you forjoining us. fiona, why do you think it is that 93% of teachers are saying more pupils are

bringing their worpys —— worries into school in life is stressful these days and young people and children are also obviously interacting with social media which has good sides to it, but it means they can be connected to that world 24/7 and sometimes there is no at balance and generally i think we live in a very time—poor existence often. you give a statistic on a number of teachers who see issues amongst their pupils — what about the proportion of children, do you have figures? we released a survey on monday in which we had polled over 700 children, and two thirds said they worry all the time about at least one thing. the top four things

they worry about our: something in theirfamily, something they worry about our: something in their family, something to they worry about our: something in theirfamily, something to do they worry about our: something in their family, something to do with friendship, worrying about doing well at school, and worrying about something going on in the world. that is modern life will stop our teachers good at picking up on these things? —— is it the case that teachers are good at picking up on these things? we do first aid training for secondary school teachers and mental health training, but we feel that that should start in primary school, because the earlier we intervene, the better. we would like teachers to be able to notice it something is emerging in the classroom. paul, you are a headteacher — are your teachers seeing things in classrooms? yes, and we have been working with police to help teachers to be able to identify and use the services of police to interact with the children

where it is needed. what sort of issues are you seeing? at what stage do you decide that something requires help that needs to be given ona requires help that needs to be given on a more serious level? we do it at different levels. at first, we have developed a system called place to talk, to allow children to develop the ability to open up and share their feelings and talk about their issues. are the kids good at engaging with that? it is very popular. we have to try and control how many are going, but we have seen a huge increase in the number of children and how they can articulate. i think it's important that they feel comfortable unable to discuss their issues and worries, rather than closing down. fiona, does something like that actually nip issues in the bad? is a clean—up

for some kids? -- in the bud. is it enables them to ask for help if they have an issue in the playground or at home. it teaches them the skill of thinking, there is something happening, so i will go and talk to someone i trust. it is important to teach them the skills. there will be kids who need more support, and that is something flagged up in this report, that it is difficult to access that sort of help. have you come across that? yes, it is difficult to access any level of support at the moment unless the schools themselves are buying into this support, because councils have cut budgets severely and can't provide that level of support that may have been there in the past. unfortunately, and i think this is a thing that we have been discussing quite a lot, it is focused

predominantly on secondary school and children of that age, not on primary school children. i think if we did more work at primary age, we would be able to nip in the bud or support those children over a longer period, making them more resilient by the time they reach secondary school. sian is a trainee teacher who suffered anxiety. at what age did you sufferfrom who suffered anxiety. at what age did you suffer from anxiety?m started when i was about ten. was it picked up at school? initially, i don't think the school really knew how to identify it as a mental health problem, and it was put down at the time is being behavioural issues rather than mental health. at the time is being behavioural issues rather than mental healthlj have had an e—mailfrom jenin, who says, my son told a psychiatrist at the 11 that he wanted to end his life. he was diagnosed with depression. the high school said they did not see it in school and

we re they did not see it in school and were not supportive. if i did not listen, i don't think he would be here today. what was going on around you in terms of awareness, at home or otherwise? i think, you in terms of awareness, at home or otherwise? ithink, in you in terms of awareness, at home or otherwise? i think, in terms of school, they did not know what to do with it. especially at secondary school, they had a department that was willing to deal with physical and learning disabilities, but when it came to mental health, they didn't know how best to support that. they didn't have policies in place. home was supportive, and when i was 15, i was referred to child and adolescent mental health services, and that was supportive. both primary and secondary school didn't really know what to do. fiona, tell us more about your concerns about lack of access. of our survey, one in five headteacher

said they had not been able to access services, and two of the top three reasons were lack of capacity and lack of any services in some areas. it is really difficult for schools if they don't have a mental health professional in the school who can deal with things immediately, and they don't have training for their teachers, and then things can accelerate. when you try to refer into the more specialised statutory services, it can be very difficult, with long waiting lists. children would prefer to have services in the school rather than having to go externally, and we know that the statutory services are really under resourced, so it is difficult for them as well. paul, fiona said that teachers are there to educate — how much extra pressure is this putting on schools? schools are there to educate. it

puts an awful lot of pressure on teachers and staff to meet the different needs of modern society, be it mental health or other issues, and it is a growing pressure. we've tried to bring in the professional, to have a professional there you can talk to parents and children, who can advise the staff and train them. that is an increasing way in which we try to provide that service. it is coming under threat due to funding changes that are coming into place. i think it's incredibly stressful, but i think every teacher i've ever met would always want to do the best for their children, but there is a huge amount of pressure, notjust academic there is a huge amount of pressure, not just academic early but on the other areas where we need to support families and children. sian, going into teaching with your experience,

how do you see the issue and the best way that you as a teacher and others can deal with this? 0bviously, others can deal with this? obviously, if you focus your efforts ona obviously, if you focus your efforts on a pupil with problems, which no doubt will be absolutely something that a teacher would want to do by instinct if they think a child is struggling, other pupils then miss out. i think it comes down to just increasing awareness. the argument of different children getting more attention, we've already got quite developed inclusion policies when working with children that might have learning difficulties or physical disabilities. i think all that needs to happen is, we need more education for teachers and awareness of how mental illness might present in children. they should be treated the same as any other child with an identified need. should it be flagged up that a child

potentially needs mental health help? i think one of the things of effective behaviour management is questioning why a child is acting the way they are, especially at primary level. i think a lot of things, they may be motivated by things, they may be motivated by things going on at home, by anxiety or depression or something else, and i think it is something teachers should consider about why children act the way they do. paul, does that happen automatically? if schools have made it a focus, then teachers are more aware. some pupils get expeued are more aware. some pupils get expelled if they behave badly. whatever is going on behind the scenes, often a child would be able to stay in school. it depends how the school works with them. there are different stages. we have very low numbers of expulsions for children primary age, much lower than in secondary, and i think it is more about looking at what can be designed to meet the needs of those children. we have found that

children. we have found that children who have had more intensive support through our scheme, once we have addressed and work with that barrier to learning, because that is what it is, if a child is not healthy they will not make academic progress, we found that they made rapid progress in their learning and have achieved at age expected, so it is essential that we do this work, andl is essential that we do this work, and i think as professionals, we wa nt and i think as professionals, we want to work with the children and families to make sure that we can do this. it is possible in schools, but it is having the resource to do it and the support to do it, and that is sometimes the issue, because at the moment, i have quite a healthy budget to help to do this, but there are many schools that do not have that opportunity. the option comes to, do you have a specialist provider in the school who worked with the community and is part of the school, rather than the old model of a counsellor coming in for

half a day and leaving again and therefore you have no connection with the school in the community itself? 0r with the school in the community itself? or do you have a teacher? and that is what is coming down from a lot of schools — do they have the teacher or the support? i am lucky at the moment. where that will be in five years, i do not know. for me, it is an essential part of school. we are about educating children in the whole, not just the academic. fiona, how many schools do not have the resources? we hear that in schools that we are in, and those where we visit to do training. headteachers have a dilemma. how do i carve headteachers have a dilemma. how do icarve up headteachers have a dilemma. how do i carve up my budget? i want the support because it will underpin the mental health of the whole community and allow the teachers to do what they are there to do — educate. 0r doi they are there to do — educate. 0r do i have some teachers? we feel strongly that needs to be ring fenced funding from the government, and the department of health and the department of education need to work together to ensure that there is a

front—line mental health professional in the school who can support the whole school and knows when to refer to the more specialised services. you are noting about that, sian. yes. -- nodding. it is easier to pick up these issues when they first present, rather than sort of letting it go on for years then trying to fix it. we have had another sweet from a viewer saying: child mental health issues are still classed as a problem and ignored at the back of the class. thank you for your time the back of the class. thank you for yourtime and your the back of the class. thank you for your time and your comments. we did ask the government for a comment. a spokesperson told us: coming up:

we'll be joined by ken loach, the director of i daniel blake ahead of this weekend's baftas. up forfive nominations — the film shows the real life struggles faced by those on benefits. england continue to close in on the record for consecutive test wins. they're on 15 — new zealand hold the record with 18 — but it's the stern test of wales in cardiff up next for england. we'll be talking to fans off both. let's catch up with all the news with rachel. the health secretary jeremy with rachel. the health secretaryjeremy hunt said it is completely unacceptable that some patients are waiting up to

13 hours in amd. in an exclusive bbc interview, he paid tribute to the ha rd interview, he paid tribute to the hard work of staff, but said the problems of high demand were not unique to the nhs in england. a federal appeals court has refused to reinstate donald trump's ban on travellers from seven mainly muslim countries. the controversial immigration reform was suspended last week. the us president responded to the ruling saying there will be a legal challenge. the case is now likely to go to the supreme court. the bbc has learned that the organisation responsible for advising english health trusts on the security of staff is ending that work. that's despite a steep increase in attacks on doctors and nurses. nhs protect has confirmed that its role in hospital security will continue only until the end of march. campaigners will go to the high court later to challenge the government's handling of the arrival of unaccompanied child refugees from europe.

ministers have decided to end the scheme once 350 vulnerable children have been admitted. the campaigners argue that the government has failed to work closely enough with local councils who end up looking campaigners claim that up to 3000 children should have been admitted and they think that is not enough work has gone in to find places for government announced they would end the scheme once 350 vulnerable children had been allowed to travel to the uk. rail ticket machines cause so much confusion that a fifth of passengers who use them end up buying the wrong ticket, according to the rail regulator. it also found that while 7% of travellers underpay and could be fined, 13% are paying too much. the office of rail and road wants train companies to refund passengers who accidentally buy tickets which are too expensive for their journey. train operators say they're planning to simplify fares. one in five students in independent schools received extra time to complete gcse and a—level

exams last year. that's significantly higher than those who received the special measure in state schools, where the figure is fewer than one in eight. the difference has come to light following an analysis of official exam data by bbc radio 4's today programme. hollywood star george clooney and his human rights lawyer wife amal are expecting twins, according to reports from the us. the couple married in venice in 2014. rumours began to circulate last month that mrs clooney was pregnant and the babies are reportedly due in june. the 39—year—old has represented a number of high profile figures, including former ukrainian prime minister yulia tymoshenko and australian wikileaks' founderjulian assange. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.00. a lot getting in touch about mental

health for pupils in school. ita said my grandson was worried and school and the insight was amazing. a two days of suspensions, he was diagnosed with clinical depression. thanks to the head teacher, my grandson goes to a special that specialises is in. a teacher said i have seen pupils driven to self—harm. thank you for those comments. keep them coming. now the sport with hugh. good morning, england's director of cricket andrew strauss and his team have met withjoe root, ben stokes and stuart broad to discuss the vacant england test captaincy. the ecb say "we are on track to announce the new captain before we leave for the caribbean tour" — which is injust under

two weeks' time. virat kohli has become the first batsman to score a double century in four consecutive test series. the india captain was out for 204 on the second day of the first test against bangladesh. india were 620 for 6 at tea. a new season of rugby league's superleague is underway, and in a tight game st helens just edged out leeds, 6—4. there are two more games tonight including newly promoted leigh centurians at castleford. and ronnie 0'sullivan is out of the world grand prix in preston after a 4—1 defeat by fellow former world champion neil robertson. robertson was then beaten in his quarter—final by barry hawkins. and heather watson has put great britain1—0 up in their final fed cup tie against turkey in tallinn. there's more sport after 10. thank you. it's all glitz and glamour on the red carpet this weekend as the awards season continues.

sunday sees the grammy music awards in america and back in the uk, the stars of the silver screen are in town for the ee british academy film awards, or the baftas as they're known. the hollywood musical la la land is up for 11 gongs, but a much grittier british movie — i, daniel blake — is up for 5 awards. the film tells the story of a joiner called daniel blake, who needs help from the state for the first time ever following an illness. he crosses paths with a single mum katie and her two children who have moved 300 miles away as their only chance to escape homelessness. it's directed by the legendary ken loach and i'll be talking to him in a moment, but first let's take a look at one of the most famous scenes from the film where katie is forced to visit a food bank. hello. nice to see you. have you brought your little dog today? thank you very much. thank you.

is it just food for yourself and the two children? thank you. the two children can have a drink and a biscuit. would you like to go and see agnes? agnes... could you dojuice and a biscuit, please? jackie, would you be able to help katie with her shopping today? thank you. hi, katie. thank you. so, you've got one adult and two children? come with me. we'll start with vegetables, yeah? 0k. right, i'll give you one side, and we'll share it, yeah? a couple of onions... is there anything we can do for you, hon? no, thanks. are you sure? all right, then. the director ken loach is with us now. thank you for coming in. a pleasure to come. everybody knows that you

a lwa ys to come. everybody knows that you always make films that prick the nation's conscience. why did you pick this subject? is is a story that hundreds of thousands of people knew about that people's lives are thrown in chaos when they're sanctioned or they have problems getting the money they're due. but it isa getting the money they're due. but it is a story that we don't talk about. and yet it's... people find they're in distress, unable to eat or sustain a decent life. the human costis or sustain a decent life. the human cost is enormous. and it is a great... there are so many stories to tell. do you believe it gives an accurate portrayal of an individual, does this reflect people that you have encountered ? does this reflect people that you have encountered? oh, yes. i think because we could have told stories that were worse and more harrowing, but we wanted to see it happen to

people you don't think of as victims, people you pass in the street and think they're fine. but beneath that surface of course there may well be terrible hardship. iain duncan smith has said about it that you focussed just on the worst of everything that could happen to one individual and he doesn't believe it is an accurate reflection of a life. there is hundreds of thousands of people would say the opposite. iain duncan smith is responsible for destroying the lives of many people. he is responsible for putting a system in place that has led to suicides, that's led to chaos in people's lives. during his reign as, in this department, the charity food banks, when when he began about about 26,000 bags handed out for charity for people who couldn't feed themselves. last year there were

figures there one million, one hundred thousand. that is the man responsible. he should hang his head in shame. you say he is responsible for suicides, that quite... a strong claim to make. what is the evidence for that? because you only have to see people who are sanctioned. when people's money is stopped and they have no access to resources. are people's money is stopped and they have 110 access to resources. are you have no access to resources. are you aware of any specific times when that scenario has happened? because it is something he would say the welfare state this to support the most vulnerable and it does. they have stroiped the welfare —— they have stroiped the welfare —— they have destroyed the welfare state. michael 0'sullivan lived in camden and committed suicide and the coroner said it was partly due to the pressure from the dwp. that is a legaljudgment. 0f the pressure from the dwp. that is a legaljudgment. of course there many other instances that don't have that legal back up. but there is a huge campaign. you should have them on

the programme. they will tell you good stories. are you an angry man? i'm notan good stories. are you an angry man? i'm not an angry man, no. good stories. are you an angry man? i'm notan angry man, no. i good stories. are you an angry man? i'm not an angry man, no. i think there is a massive injustice here andi there is a massive injustice here and i think the, you see films can do many things. you talk about glamour and the award things are here to celebrate cinema and enjoy cinema and do many things and take us to worlds of imagination and it can also reflect the world back to you. it has to be accurate and fair? absolutely. do you see the p side of what —— up side of what the state can do for people? of course, you have had an item about it with brilliant people helping young people with mental health issues. good people given the right support and financial backing can do wonderful things. but it is now used, the sanctions the regime and the work capability assessment

regime are used to discipline people and the point is to show that poverty is the fault of the poor. if you haven't got a job, it is your fault. that is the back ground to this. cathy come home, this a direct sort of link between this movie and that? not really. it is a different story, different times. very different times. it had an impact, there was a parliamentary debate and it shone a light on homelessnessches do you, do you think this movie will have an impact? i don't know. it depends what people do. a film is only a film. it depends what happens when people leave the cinema. only a film. it depends what happens when people leave the cinemam only a film. it depends what happens when people leave the cinema. is it important to you that it has an impact. yes debbie abrahams from labour said they would abolish the work capability assessments, that is one of disasters of the system,

where your doctor will say you're not fit for work, but some multinational company will come in and say, yes, you are. that is a cause of massive distress and labour would abolish that. so well done to them for that. do you feel at home in the world that you inhabit, the movie world, it is quite a glamorous one isn't it? well it is a work world. look at the camera man around you. you came on the bus. of course it is central london, it is the quickest way to come. of course, perfectly at home. we are all in the same game. it is a working life. maria said, i daniel blake should be mandatory viewing for the government. we have talked about the social impact it may or may not have. it has a lot of critical acclaim. you're up for five have. it has a lot of critical acclaim. you're up forfive baftas, does that mat tore you? -- matter to

you? i think it helps to the film. i don't see it as an ego trip. all the people who told us their stories, it helps them and if it is encouraging people to go to the cinema and if it encourages people who commission films to say, it is ok to make films about the real world, you know, you don't have to have a big name. the actors we found are fantastic, wonderful people, but you don't have to have a huge name to make a film. the people who commission films maybe gather some strength. you're a big name and known for making films of that type, do you find it easy to get your films made? well i work with a great producer, rebecca 0'brien, who stitches the money together. but we are a cheap date, we don't cost much! i think you said when you refused to accept an 0be

you did that because you wanted to stay out of system. i wanted to stay out of that system. you look at some of the people who get awarded peerages and knighthoods and for giving money to political parties. there is a bit of a smell about it. imean, a there is a bit of a smell about it. i mean, a system that gave a reward to people who work unknown, that is the real award system. but this hierarchical thing, i don't care for. do you feel like you are an outsider? because as we have said, you work in an industry which is fated as having resources and privileges. you know the people who work in the business, they're ordinary people. talented people. good fun. not at all. talk about being an outsider socially, no, the people we met, we met scores,

hundreds, dozens of people doing this film. not an outsider at all with them. it is the most congenial, warm, generous people you meet. the small group that you see representing the film industry is something else. but it is not the business. you have been actively involved with the left—wing of politics for years and left the labour party in protest at tony blairand labour party in protest at tony blair and you have been involved with respect. would you rejoin the labour party with jeremy corbyn with respect. would you rejoin the labour party withjeremy corbyn in charge? i think that's. .. labour party withjeremy corbyn in charge? ithink that's... i labour party withjeremy corbyn in charge? i think that's... i think that's probably a very good idea. i thinkjeremy corbyn is extraordinarily, is an extraordinary leader. he is the one hope the labour party has had in my lifetime, because he understands the interests of ordinary people. he will represent the interests of ordinary people and he will seriously restrict the role of big business

and the corporations and that is why they attack him, because they know he means what he says. he is the hope that ordinary people have and i do hope people in stoke and copeland reck fwhiez — recognise that this week. in polling terms, it doesn't look good for the labour party under him. could he win an election? the mps need to remember that the members voted for him. they voted for public ownership of transport, for removing private contract from the nhs, they voted for a massive public investment injobs. that voted for a massive public investment in jobs. that is what jeremy corbyn's labour party would do, and that is in the interest of the people. of course, the far right will come along with their populist slogans, but don't be misled. the people who stand for the interest of the people are the labour party in this instance, because it is led by a man who understands and cares

about us. we are at the start obviously of a new destination, effectively, for this country, after the brexit referendum. i know that you supported remain will stop how do you see what might unfold on the brexit? i think it is interesting. i think the european union is a union for big business, not a union in the interest of the people. it enforces privatisation, and the profits of corporations before the interests of workers, so it is not in the interests of people. but nevertheless, you want to keep connections with left—wing organisations in europe, so that is why i voted remain. we should use this as a chance to put on the agenda restructuring the british economy completely. we have to put it on the agenda and fight for it. are you thinking a trump — style, he

says america first, do you think britain first? the opposite - internationalism. there should be a massive investment in work. where does the money come from? the nation's finances are such that there are huge levels of public debt, tax at record high levels — is that the scope? there is huge wealth in the country, and public borrowing has never been cheaper. if you invest, borrow, to build houses, properly planned with direct labour, that would repay the money you borrow, because of course, those houses would be rented or sold, and it would work. the same with investing properly in industry. you wa nt to investing properly in industry. you want to invest in viable industries in the areas that have been left

behind, in sections of the north and the west midlands and so on. it is viable. even a tory, who i wouldn't normally quote, has proposed that, so it is not outlandish. it would work. donald trump - state visit - what do you think? i won't be there. will you? why not? he is an obnoxious man, but i think it is dangerous. he dangles ideas of chauvinism and extreme nationalism. remove the rest of the world and just let america survive, but of course, american capital won't want that. it wants investment in the rest of the world to extract profit, it wants to sell goods. he will drive the hardest trade deals he can. he is obviously the

democratically elected leader of our closest ally, so is theresa may right when she extends that invitation and actually focuses in what is in the national interest? we are leaving the eu, and the potential for a trade deal with the united states with a president who wa nts to united states with a president who wants to do it is in our interest?” don't know if a trade deal he will offer will be in our interests. i think we're better making alliances with the rest of the world who are not driven by hard right. i think supping with the devil, you need a very long spoon. holding his hand, i don't think was a good idea. you are 80 years old — will you carry on making movies? we have talked about a lot of issues that are pertinent today, beyond the social issues of this country. what might tickle your fa ncy this country. what might tickle your fancy for the subject for your next movie? i don't know. there is a

saying in football, take each game as it comes. we are still playing this last game at the minute, so we will see what comes up. i don't know. you know, you are lucky to still be on the pitch at 80, aren't you? do you think you will make another movie? i don't know. you don't always have a next idea?” work with paul laverty of the writer. he doesn't get the credit he should. he is a wonderful writer. we area should. he is a wonderful writer. we are a partnership, with rebecca, so we will put our heads together and see what comes up. what are you most proud of? i don't think of it in those terms. i think of itjust in terms of being part of a group that tries to do good work as best you can to try to tell... to respond to

what you find, to respond to people you meet, to evaluate what you can discover and try to see the skeleton underneath, try to see the tensions, the conflicting forces, the ideas and the class interests that have driven the way society has developed. i mean, that is our responsibility, and we just try to do that time after time, and also have a family and be a person who is the father, grandfather, husband and all the rest. in the end, is that what matters most? well, yes, of course. you start at the centre and work—out would —— work outwards. we can use it as an excuse for avoiding social responsibility. that was the

essence of thatcherism, wasn't it? yourfamily essence of thatcherism, wasn't it? your family matters and to hell with eve ryo ne your family matters and to hell with everyone else. a lot of people would ta ke everyone else. a lot of people would take issue. i'm not sure. if you look back, private greed replaced public good, so yes, of course, families are the centre of our lives, but we are social beings as well. thank you very much, ken loach. you mentioned that by—election, so i will remind viewers that there are seven candidates standing in the copeland by—election on the 27th of february. you can find a full list of candidates on the bbc website. coming up: trumps suffers a setback to his travel ban after a federal appeal court refuese to reinstate the ban. we'll be getting reaction to that latest decision and look at what president trump can do next. fierce rivalry, intense pressure and big expectations — the stakes are high for the england and wales rugby teams tomorrow as the six nations continues. the england team will be making their way up the m4

to cardiff to take on the welsh. if england win, they will be just three games away from breaking the world record for most unbeaten test matches— a title currently held by new zealand. but with a home crowd advantage and a solid win last week, the welsh team are ready for the fight. let's talk now to some fans to discuss exactly what is at stake for both teams tomorrow — england rugby fans giselle mather and wes dowding and wales rugby fans nick grant and kath eastman. thank you all very much forjoining us. that issue of whether the stadium roof should be open or shut has been a key psychological issue ahead of the match, when everything counts. what do you think about that? let us know your thoughts, nick. i don't think it will make any difference either way, you know. i don't think it will affect the game. it will be a hard—fought game. both teams will be trying to win this,

without a doubt. but having the roof open or closed, the only difference it really makes is the noise. it would be an advantage, i suppose, to wales if there is noise. 0ther would be an advantage, i suppose, to wales if there is noise. other than that, i don't think it will make a difference. gisele, the last time that england played at the stadium, two years ago, the roof was open and they beat wales. the interesting thing with the roof is that eddie jones has scored a battle over the welsh coaching staff, because they we re welsh coaching staff, because they were convinced, earlier in the week he said, it doesn't bother us, and then later in the week they assumed it would be shut. eddie jones, with a couple of minutes to go, called it as being wanted open. i think it was mind games, and i think he is trying to win little battles along the way before the actual real battle begins. wes, how hopeful iq for

england? we have strength in depth, we have a good bench, and i think that will come into play towards the la st that will come into play towards the last 20 minutes of the game. it will bea last 20 minutes of the game. it will be a decisive victory for england in the end. cath, how much advantage is therefore a home site? obviously, home advantage is quite important for any home advantage is quite important forany team, home advantage is quite important for any team, especially in cardiff will stop on match day, cardiff is difficult to beat. the atmosphere is electric, and once you get inside the stadium, as wes said, it is a cauldron of noise and song. if you have that behind the welsh team, hopefully they can draw strength from that. and how do you see the welsh team ? from that. and how do you see the welsh team? i think they are a very strong team. we have a very good team. we have got good replacements on the bench, so we have a couple of

injury concerns — dan biggar, and george north. but i think we have players who proved themselves last week, so i am quite happy, very happy, with the welsh team.” week, so i am quite happy, very happy, with the welsh team. i will ask you all for a potential scoreline — your predictions?‘ wales win. i would say 25—19. gisele? i think it will be the battle of the back rows. i think england will pull away in the second half and win by 12 clear points. 12 clear point — what would the score be? i will hold you to what you said. i need to do my maths now!

26... that would be 26-14. wes? 30-17. i think it would be closer. i think the teams are evenly matched. the actual score, 21—18 to wales. think the teams are evenly matched. the actual score, 21-18 to wales. we will report back after the weekend. good luck, and may the best team win! coming up: the bbc has learned that that the organisation responsible for advising english health trusts on the security of staff is ending that working — that's despite a steep increase in attacks on doctors and nurses. we'll be joined by some of those who'll be affected. if you have been affected, if you work in the health service and you have had any issues with patients, do let us know. use the usual ways of getting in touch, and we will try to weave some of your comments into

our discussion later. let's get the latest weather update with matt. if you have tickets for the six nations matches, it is owing to be cold, a weekend to wrap up. high pressure in scandinavia at the moment, and on the southern flank, cold air making its way towards us. it is cloudy and grey. the exception is the far north of scotland, some sunshine here, but wintry flurries. wintry showers in the north—east of scotla nd wintry showers in the north—east of scotland and into the north—east of england this morning. 0ne scotland and into the north—east of england this morning. one or two showers on the south coast of devon and cornwall. much of england has a dry and bright day. —— a dry day. cloudy in central and eastern areas. temperatures four celsius at best. 0ne temperatures four celsius at best. one or two showers in northern ireland. the sunniest conditions

will be northern scotland. a noticeable chill, even with the lack of wind. cold conditions and widespread frost overnight. there is a penumbral eclipse, in which the moon darkens a little. the showers become abundant through the night. a real risk of ice, with temperatures close to freezing in many parts, even down to —10 celsius in northern scotland. the weekend will be cloudy with wintry showers, but an increasingly cold wind. a good coverage of snow over the hills of northern england and south—east scotla nd northern england and south—east scotland on saturday, but a lot of that will turn to rain and sleet through the day. more showers around today, and a more great day for many. as the wind strengthens, a noticeable wind—chill. it will feel colder than the thermometer suggests. you will notice that if you are on the way to see the rugby

is at the millennium stadium. better conditions for the irish fans heading off to italy. the wind gets even stronger on sunday, even gale force in one or two spots in england and wales. the good news is, if you're not enjoying the chill, there is something a little less cold heading into next week. we lose the easterly winds, start to get the southerly winds and the temperatures will climb a little. hello, it's friday, 10th february, i am joanna gosling. attacks on nhs staff are on the rise and the bbc has learnt that the organisation responsible for advising english health trusts on staff security is ending that work. we'll be speaking to some of those affected. we were joined by the legendary film director ken loach ahead of the bafta's this weekend. his film i, daniel blake, the story of friendship between a joiner and a single mum katie struggling on benefits is up for five awards. he defended jeremy corbyn.”

he defended jeremy corbyn. i think jeremy corbyn is extraordinarily, is on extraordinary leader. he is the one hope the labour party has had in my lifetime, because he understands the interests of ordinary people. he will represent the interests of ordinary people. and you can see the film interview on bbc.co.uk/victoria. campaigners are taking the government to the high court over their handling of the arrival of unaccompanied child refugees from europe. they say ministers have not worked with local councils to find enough places for vulnerable children. now a summary of today's news. the health secretary, jeremy hunt, says it's "completely unacceptable" that some patients are waiting up to 13 hours in a&e. in an exclusive interview with the bbc, he paid tribute to the hard work of staff, but said the problems of high demand were not unique to the nhs in england. we will have much more on that story after sport

with out health editor, hugh pym. and at 11.30 on newsroom live we'll be answering your questions and listening to your suggestions on how the nhs can tackle the looming financial shortfall. we'll be getting experts to answer your questions and respond to any suggestions you may have. please get in touch by text us or send an email or contact us via twitter using the hashtag bbc ask this. a federal appeals court has refused to reinstate donald trump's ban on travellers from seven mainly muslim countries. the controversial immigration reform was suspended last week. but the president appears determined to continue the legal battle, mr trump responded to the ruling by tweeting "see you in court". the case is now likely to go to the supreme court. campaigners will go to the high court later to challenge the government's handling of the arrival of unaccompanied

child refugees from europe. ministers have decided to end the scheme once 350 vulnerable children have been admitted. the campaigners argue that the government has failed to work closely enough with local councils who end up looking after the children. and we will be talking to a refugee charity and somebody who came to the ukjust after 10.30. rail ticket machines cause so much confusion that a fifth of passengers who use them end up buying the wrong ticket, according to the rail regulator. it also found that while 7% of travellers underpay and could be fined, 13% are paying too much. the office of rail and road wants train companies to refund passengers who accidentally buy tickets which are too expensive for their journey. train operators say they're planning to simplify fares. some distressing pictures

from new zealand where hundreds of whales have died on a beach after they became stranded. the pilot whales were discovered on farewell spit, on the south island. conservation department staff and volunteers are trying to save one hundred of them that are still alive. whale strandings at farewell spit are fairly common but this is the worst in living memory. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. a lot of you still getting in touch about children's mental health at school and teachers are struggling to get support. caroline said, supporting children's mental health is crucial to prevent problems growing up. mary said we need specialists to support pupils and

teachers and parents need to ensure that kids are getting enough sleep. the best thing you can give your child is love, your time and a sympathetic ear and appropriate boundaries. christina said my daughter has many problems and sleep deprivation and i have waited a year for mental health help. keep on getting in touch on that and everything else that we are talking about this morning. the usual ways of getting in touch. now the sport with hugh. well arsene wenger has sent a clear message to arsenal fans — saying they need to be more like their north london rivals spurs. that will not go down well. wenger is under pressure after back to back defeats. the loss to premier league leaders chelsea last weekend left them 12 points behind in the title race and wenger thinks if they are to stage a comeback, everyone at the club must be ‘united'. all the other clubs, every where we

fight with manchester united, manchester city, liverpool, there are big expectations and big histories and we are in a fight there, we have absolutely to be united or we have no chance to doo it. you have tottenham. everybodying is in. everybody is in the fight and we have to do the same. even if you have two disappointing results. joe root, ben stokes and stuart broad have met with director of cricket andrew strauss to discuss the england test captaincy. england have also spoken to jos buttler, who captained england in the one day series in bangladesh. root — who was vice—captain to previous skipper alastair cook — is the favourite to take over. a new captain will be appointed before england's limited—overs tour of the caribbean in march. broad has previously captained the twenty20 side and stokes was vice—captain in recent short—form matches. captain virat kohli became the first batsman to score double centuries in four consecutive series, as india declared on a huge 687 for six against bangladesh.

the 28—year—old skipper went past legends including australia's donald bradman and his compatriot rahul dravid, who both compiled double tons in three consecutive series. it wasn't the highest scoring start to the new super league season, but st helens fans won't care, as they beat their old rivals leeds rhinos. the game was won by a moment of class, as st helens, slid across the field, before unpicking the door and finding a gap with frenchman theo farge, squeezing across the line, to make it 6—4. there are two more games tonight, including newly promoted leigh centurians at castleford there's another big weekend ahead in the six nations. scotland are in france on sunday, ireland travel to rome to face italy tomorrow, while the roof will be open for the match between wales and england in cardiff, and that is what england wanted. coach eddiejones, had suggested he wasn't bothered and thinks wales may have some other tricks up their sleeve.

we are prepared to win. we entrepreneur prepared for anything that might go on. it is a great opportunity to play in one of the great stadiums in the world. what are the shenanigans you're prepared for? i don't know, they're a cunning lot the welsh, they have got gates and daffodils and everything, who knows? great britain's fed cup team have had a good start to their final tie, heather watson winning her first match. thank you. see you later. as we've been hearing, the health secretary, jeremy hunt, says it's "completely unacceptable" that some patients in england are waiting up to 13 hours in a&e. official figures show that waiting times in casualty units are worse than at any time in the last decade. although, mr hunt has defended his running of the nhs and said the government had put

an extra £4 billion into health care this year. with me is our health editor, hugh pym. a significant acknowledgement from the health secretary? yes, all week the health secretary? yes, all week the bbc have been publicising stories from the naturers and —— natu rers stories from the naturers and —— naturers and images —— nhs and images showing a patient waiting 13 hours on a trolley and mothers and babies sitting in a corridor created a lot of reaction. that was the sort of thing that i put to the health secretary in my interview and also stories about an elderly patient, a woman waiting in a hospital in bristol for six months, because a ca re bristol for six months, because a care home place couldn't be found. soi care home place couldn't be found. so i put that to the health secretary, jeremy hunt.” so i put that to the health secretary, jeremy hunt. i don't want to make any kind of excuses for that. it is unacceptable. it is

terrible. it is not the only case of its kind. yes there are no excuses, its kind. yes there are no excuses, it is unacceptable. what i would say is on social care, the prime minister has been clear, we recognise the pressures there and we recognise the pressures there and we recognise there is a problem about the sustainability about the area. recognise there is a problem about the sustainability about the areal change of tone from the government. when specific examples were put to theresa may in the house of commons, she said they're a small element and gave stat is tibs to indicate why she was saying it is working. yes theresa may said a small number of incidents and now the health secretary is saying there are problems that are unacceptable. his whole tone was to acknowledge that and to be measured. he did say more money had gone into the nhs in england this year and the government did have a long—term plan on health

and social care, but he admitted his frustration and said it was difficult, they had fallen short in some areas. but i think that sort of note that he struck about social ca re note that he struck about social care suggested that the government is working on something and he did say, i asked is working on something and he did say, iasked him is working on something and he did say, i asked him about whether something would happen in the budget, he said that is up to the prime minister and the chancellor. almost a hint that he is hoping that there will be some money in the budget. but social care has been a real problem for the government, spending has been cut on adult social care for the last seven yea rs, social care for the last seven years, while nhs funding has gone up in england and that's contributed to the nhs‘s problems, because of discharging patients. he said there is no silver bullet, obviously the focus has been on social care, but this no simple solution, what sort of issues are they looking at, you

mentioned more funding, whether that would be forth coming we don't know. he did say the nhs wasn't the only health system with the problem of busy hospitals. he said in france and germany in the last few weeks there have been similar problems with flu cases and every health system was having to grapple with the problems of more elderly patients in relation to the over all population. but there was no straight forward answer. i think he is saying long—term moves can be made to look after people better in the community and to get fewer people going into a&e in the first place, but he knows this will take time and it is a very big problem. he knows that there will be continued criticism about funding and that is why maybe that will be looked at in some way in the budget to come. thank you very much. the bbc has learned that the organisation responsible for advising english health trusts on the security of staff

is ending that work, despite a steep increase in attacks on doctors and nurses. nhs protect has confirmed that its role in hospital security will continue only until the end of march. nursing groups say a "tinderbox atmosphere" in pressurised hospitals has led to an increase in assaults on staff to more than 70,000 a year; that's almost 200 a day. on monday we had a special audience debate on the nhs, and one junior doctor called jess told us her experience of working in a&e. i stand on the front line, 0k? i'm the person who gets assaulted, who gets sexually assaulted in a&e by drunk people. can i ask you the nature of the assaults upon you? so i've been punched in the face, i've been held up against a wall by my neck, i've had nurses who are also dragging people off me. and that's because i work on the front line of a&e. all of those people were drunk, none of them were mentally unwell — i've been assaulted by mentally unwell too — but all of those people were drunk and not in control of themselves. that doesn't make their behaviour

acceptable in any way. an employee has spoke about this work. he said he is afraid attacks will increase. it is disgraceful, the way it has been done has been kept under the radar. we have not made any massive press releases. internally there has been a communication saying we will no longer do this. but i don't believe bodies like the rcn have been informed, the unions, i don't think they have been informed of the full impact or the full intent to pull the draw bridge up. and turn our backs on the nhs estate and i think thatis backs on the nhs estate and i think that is terrible, because that is leaving all the trusts and the local specialists to their own devices.

let's talk now to sharon morris — a former mental health nurse who was seriously assaulted by a patient and says it has ruined her life. david bailey — an a&e nurse who's also had experience of abuse and feels staff just have to learn to cope with it and josie irwin from the royal college of nursing. thank you forjoining us. sharon, you have had 30 years of experience asa you have had 30 years of experience as a mental her nerves —— a mental health nurse, then you were attacked ina health nurse, then you were attacked in a pretty horrific way. tell us what happened. thank you, joanna, for highlighting this issue. on this occasion, out of the blue, a patient that i had nursed for 18 months suddenly attacked a colleague and then attacked me, punching me about six times, full force in the face, until i passed out. that left me

with concussion and a black eye, but moreover, the long—term effects of this mean that i now can't work with patients any more. i'm too panicky. was the renault thing there to protect you? was there anyone to step in —— was there anyone there to protect you? was there anyone to step in? we are all highly trained, trained in de—escalation and managing difficult situations. it involves a team of four people coming in to deal with the situation. that is triggered by people having alarms on them that can be pulled, and they go and ring in the reception area. also, between the response alarms that are held by the response alarms that are held by the nurses. i was holding one

response alarms and my other colleagues, who was also punched, was holding the other response along, so it took perhaps an minute for staff to respond from another ward. that is a long time when you are being hit in the face. absolutely. how vulnerable had you felt in that environment? you said that previously you had had scratches, had been shouted at, but obviously, nothing on this level. nothing on this level. you know, we are good at managing situations. we do try really hard, but you are under increasing pressure. 0ften, you are short staffed. 0ur unit as a whole is quite well staffed, but you still have difficulty filling positions. it's a daily struggle. we all watch casualty, call the midwife

and so on, but the real drama is on the front line of the and units in our hospitals. is there anything that could persuade you to return to that could persuade you to return to that environment? not to that environment. i have tried with the support of the rcn is a work trial ina support of the rcn is a work trial in a less volatile environment in a clinic, but unfortunately, just this last couple of days, with my manager, we have decided that i cannot any longer work in a patient facing role, which seems an awful end to a career. very sad. david, i said that you were an a&e nurse, and you have experienced certain things. what have you experienced?” you have experienced certain things. what have you experienced? i would say i have been lucky. i have never experienced physical abuse. i have had threats, i have been in situations which have been very challenging. i

situations which have been very challenging. lam situations which have been very challenging. i am an experienced nurse. i have been around for 35 years. and you learn about de—escalating situations, and that works most of the time. when it becomes unpredictable... prior to last year, sharon would have said the same thing, but of course, suddenly she was confronted with a situation she could not control. what is there in that context to protect you? a&e, we have an open door, so anyone can walk in. part of the joy of the job, in a way, is not knowing how your day will go and dealing with situations hopefully successfully. there are rare occasions that i have experienced web that does escalate into something more serious. we're lucky we have a security team. describe

how the security team operate, have visible and accessible they are. they are very accessible. we have emergency buses in every area of the department that we can press. you learn not to be backed into a corner. you always have your back to the door, so that if you need to re move the door, so that if you need to remove yourself from the situation, you can quite easily. obviously, we work closely as a team, nurses, medics, radiologists and others. there is a constant communication, because obviously, we start to assess patients in a room, and we may need to call for assistance at some point. that is always very... they are always quick to respond. we are talking about this because the role of nhs protect in hospital security will be ending at the end of march. what impact do you think that will have? i think it will have

a very dramatic impact. sadly, stories like sharon's, and also the junior doctor that we heard in the debate on monday, are all too common. from our perspective, it is very much to do with the sorts of stories we have heard all week about staff shortages. we know there are 24,000 vacancies across england and wales, but also the sheer pressure of demand combined with that shortage has created a tinderbox. without nhs protect there, advising and giving national guidance on ways of de—escalating and providing training for people in sharon's situation, highly skilled nurses, and without the authority that nhs protect has got to call, to question, to ask for information about what is going on at local level, if this all goes local, which it seems it well, although we haven't been told any of the detail, thenl haven't been told any of the detail, then i am very worried, the rcn is

very worried that the tinderbox may explode and something catastrophic may happen. obviously, as you are saying, it won't mean there is not protection, it is just there will be no overall coordination. what are your worst fears? you say you are worried the tinderbox may explode. sharon's example itself shows what happens in term of the long—term psychological impact, as well as the physical impact, of an attack such as that. something worse might happen. but more than that, we also have to think about the ongoing impact on staff across the piece. it is very difficult to attract new recruits, difficult to retain staff when you know you are going into an explosive situation, trying to do the best you can. not only are you not able to do that, but also you run the real risk of some sort of assault that would be prosecuted.”

think it is also the fact that it makes you feel devalued. you know, we already have problems with recruitment and retention. we have had, you know, the bursaries removed for student nurses, taking on loans. we have seen those places drop by 23% for this year. we have a 24,000 — long staff vacancy list. it is about having the right stuff, a consistent team, and if we have gaps in the rotor, whether it be the medical or nursing rotor, that puts staff at risk, because you don't have the bodies on the floor to keep an ion everyone. i thinkjeremy hunt today, thisjust kind of smacks of... it tells me they don't care. before we bring this to an end, i just want to bring in a couple of

e—mails. jenny has e—mailed to say: a man came towards us in a&e saying he was going to stab us. a member of staff and myself got into a consultation room and locked the door. security were called and the man was arrested ultimately. i was working as an agency nurse, but i was offered no debrief. despite asking the organisation to look at security, nothing has been done and staff continued to be at risk of further assault. what you were talking about there. thank you for joining us, and for your perspective. nhs protect told us it was in the process of identifying which body was "best placed to take the lead" on this area, and it would consult staff on plans. it also said: "keeping health service staff safe and secure has always been a responsibility...of local nhs employers". the department of health told us that that given the "persistently high numbers of unacceptable incidents", a new approach was needed to protect staff at work. it said more detail would be announced soon. still to come:

campaigners take the governments the high court over the issue of child migrants. 350 vulnerable children will come to britain under the scheme. we will be joined will come to britain under the scheme. we will bejoined by campaigners after half—past ten. president trump's immigration policy has suffered another setback after a federal appeal court in the united states refused to reinstate his ban on travellers from seven mainly muslim countries. the original case was brought by washington state. its attorney general. bob ferguson. welcomed the court's decision. the law is not an abstraction. the constitutional provisions at stake are fundamental to who we are as a people. when an executive order is adopted like this, with little thought, little planning, little oversight... that creates chaos throughout our country that has a real impact on people's lives, here and abroad. real impacts. and as attorneys and professional staff who work for a public law firm

like this, that is something we keep in mind every single day. that yes, when you hear about court of appeals, it may seem like, yes, what's going on? what are they talking about? that procedural stuff? behind all that procedural stuff, behind all those constitutional provisions, behind all those statutory provisions, at the end of the day it's about people's lives and the impact on their lives. and the future of our country and our constitution. mr trump responded with an angry tweet, saying national security was at risk, and there would be a legal challenge. reporters asked his senior aide, kellyanne conway, about that tweet. he sees it as what he's always seen it as, which is a statute provides a president — in this case president trump — with great latitude and authority to protect the citizens and protect the nation's national security. this was not argued on the merits. now that we will have an opportunity to argue on the merits, we look forward to doing that, we look forward to prevailing. i think his tweet was perfect when he said, "we'll see you in court." and the nation's safety is at stake here. thank you.

with me is alan horowitz satlin of the huffington post. —— with me is alana horowitz satlin of the huffington post. and joining me down the line is professor robert wintemute, who's a professor of law at king's college in london. alana, how damaging is it for the president to be embroiled in something like this, challenging his authority right at the beginning of his presidency? it is problematic for two reasons. it is a continued blowback to the executive order itself that challenges its constitutionality, and it is a blowback to the administration's insistence that they have the ultimate authority over this type of national security issue, that it is not the court's decision to make, so this is a challenge to that authority they are trying to preserve. in politicalterms authority they are trying to preserve. in political terms in authority they are trying to preserve. in politicalterms in the us, what sort of support does he

have for this ban? there is definitely some support among his base, among his core supporters, but largely, it's not very popular, especially because you are seeing children and families being turned away at the airports. politically, in washington... it's not popular at all. you have members of his own party even who are critical of it. it has not gotten very wide support in washington. professor, in making this ruling, the court said the government has not proved the terror threat justifies the government has not proved the terror threatjustifies the ban — how do you see the legal battle between the president and the courts? there are two issues. one, is there an emergency? does it require the border to go into effect like now? he has lost on that, and i think he will lose, whether he tries to

appeal or go back down to the district court in seattle will stop second,is district court in seattle will stop second, is the order constitutional? the main anchor acumen —— the main argument against it is that it discriminates on the basis of religion. that will be dealt with by the courts slowly and could take up to three years. there will be a question over whether he wants to drop this. the political rationale for the order was that the government needed 90 days to figure out what's going on. well, this litigation about whether it is an emergency could easily take 90 days. if he loses on that, then what is the point of continuing? it is fascinating in terms of looking to see where the power lies. the things that are being said, the actions that are being said, the actions that are being taken. we saw the

acting attorney general stand down because she spoke out against the ban. now donald trump's nominee for the supreme court is said to have called donald trump's attacks on the federal appeals courtjudge demoralising and disheartening. what is your view on the room for manoeuvre amongst the judges and what is actually happening? they're defending the constitutional structure of the united states. the gist of the court's decision is in about two sentences, they point out that president trump claimed unreviewable authority to issue this order and the court has said no, you do not have unreviewable authority. and they point out he has provided no evidence to prove that there is an emergency. in particular, they note that citizens of seven

countries have committed zero terrorist attacks in the united states, whereas citizens of saudi arabia, a country not on the list, we re arabia, a country not on the list, were behind the nine lever attacks. this is testing the scope of the president's authority in a way that's never been done. and it is questioning the authority of court system and causing what could amount toa system and causing what could amount to a constitutional crisis. if he sta rts to a constitutional crisis. if he starts indicating that the courts are not legitimate and their opinions are political it could pave the way for federal agencies to start dismissing and ignoring what they say. it started the border patrol, ignoring the judges that we re patrol, ignoring the judges that were blocking the ban and they were not paying attention to that. potentially it could undermine the whole thing. thank you both very much indeed. still to come: the court of appeal are due to hand down judgement on a challenge by pimlico plumbers against an earlier ruling by employment tribunal that plumbers

working for them were workers, rather than contractors, and therefore eligible for minimum wage and paid holiday. we'll be talking to their chief executive a little later. and it's twins for the clooneys! it'll be first children for the pair as a couple — with the birth expected injune. now a summary of today's news. the health secretary, jeremy hunt, says it's "completely unacceptable" that some patients are waiting up to 13 hours in a&e. in an exclusive interview with the bbc, he paid tribute to the hard work of staff, but said the problems of high demand were not unique to the nhs in england. a federal appeals court has refused to reinstate donald trump's ban on travellers from seven mainly muslim countries. the controversial immigration reform was suspended last week. but the president appears determined to continue the legal battle. mr trump responded to the ruling

by tweeting "see you in court." the case is now likely to go to the supreme court. the bbc has learned that the organisation responsible for advising english health trusts on the security of staff is ending that work, despite a steep increase in attacks on doctors and nurses. nhs protect has confirmed that its role in hospital security will continue only until the end of march. nurses' leaders say a "tinderbox atmosphere" in over—crowded hospitals contributed to 70,000 assaults on staff last year. campaigners will go to the high court later to challenge the government's handling of the arrival of unaccompanied child refugees from europe. ministers have decided to end the scheme once 350 vulnerable children have been admitted. the campaigners argue that the government has failed to work closely enough with local councils who end up looking

after the children. some news just some newsjust in. french police have confirmed a 16—year—old girl aamong four people arrested for planning a terrorist attack. they say they have uncovered a makeshift laboratory containing an explosive that was used in the paris attack in 2015. the legendary film director ken loach has defended the embattled labour leaderjeremy corbyn. in a wide ranging interview for this programme, ahead of the bafta's this weekend he said mr corbyn understood the lives of ordinary people. i thinkjeremy corbyn is an extraordinary leader. he is the one

hope the labour party has had in my lifetime. because he understands the interests of ordinary people. he will represent the interests of ordinary people. that's a summary of the latest news. now some breaking news, a man and a woman have died in a house fire in withington. emergency services were called just before 2.30 this morning toa called just before 2.30 this morning to a report of a house fire. greater manchester fire and rescue services extinguished the fire, but a man and a woman died at the scene. the next of kin have been informed and formal identification is yet to take place. three girls and one boy aged between 10 and 17 were taken to hospital and are being treat ford their injuries —— treated for their injuries. now a

the sport. good morning england's director of cricket andrew strauss and his team have met withjoe root, ben stokes and stuart broad to discuss the vacant england test captaincy. the ecb say, "we are on track to announce the new captain before we leave for the caribbean tour"— which is injust under two weeks' time. virat kohli has become the first batsman to score a double century in four consecutive test series. the india captain was out for 204 on the second day of the first test against bangladesh. india are building up a huge first innings total — a few moments ago they were 644 for 6. a new season of rugby league's super league is underway, and in a tight game st helens just edged out leeds, 6—4. there are two more games tonight including newly promoted leigh centurians at castleford. the england rugby union head coach has surprised his wales counter part by saying he wants the roof to be closed when the two sides meet tomorrow. he made the decisionjust

before the 48—hour deadline passed. that is all from me. i'm back after 11. campaigners will go to the high court later to challenge the government's handling of the arrival of unaccompanied child refugees from europe. ministers have decided to end the scheme after three—hundred and fifty vulnerable children have been admitted, but campaigners say the government has failed to work closely enough with local councils, who end up looking after the children. we can now cross to our correspondent leila nathoo, stephen cowan this it is un—british to refuse children entry to the uk. jess mills, whose from the charity help refugees who is challenging the government in court today. conservative oliver coleville, who thinks the government has done the best it can. and former child refugee gulwali passarlay who came to britain at 13 years old. thank you all very much forjoining us. so stephen cowan, your council

has taken in 13 so—called dubs children. we took in 24 through the national scheme and offered to take an extra 15 and they only sent us 13. to get those 13, we had to phone and e—mail them and harry them. i don't know if it was incompetence, or they didn't want to send us the children. we have had two places sitting empty for two uncompanied refugee children which haven't been taken up. why were you to keen to ta ke taken up. why were you to keen to take them in? i went to the camp in august and i met many young children andi august and i met many young children and i met a nine—year—old boy who witnessed his parents being kimmed by the taliban. —— killed by the taliban. when i asked why he was shivering, the people said he had been driven mad with fear. this is a responsibility we have that goes

back many decades. we brought 10,000 people over in the kinder transport when they were threatened by the nazis and as a result our international reputation as a great country went higher. i'm saying we should never tarnish that reputation but we should stand by what is great about being british and do the right things by those type of children. you continue think it is rite for the —— you don't think it is right for the process to be stopped. the —— you don't think it is right for the process to be stoppedm the —— you don't think it is right for the process to be stopped. it is never right to look the other way. we don't do that in britain. the government looking the wrong way, looking the other way? it is a complicated and difficult issue. plymouth council say that it is very difficult to work out as to whereabouts the funding streams are going to come from. and this isn't going to come from. and this isn't going to come from. and this isn't

going to be short—term fix, because a lot of children as the leader of hammersmith a lot of children as the leader of hammer smith council said, have come from very traumatic activities and seen their parents being butchered to death and they have big mental health issues. so it is notjust about a year. and thirdly we have got to make sure there is quality housing for them to move into and plymouth i think feels that they need to have some more support from government over how they can actually deal with some of these issues. i don't think it is a simple issue, just to say these people are going through a horrendously traumatic time, we have to make sure there is a plan in place and that is working with local authorities to make sure that they can deliver that. stephen cowan? we had voices like oliver's in the 30s and it is difficult and we have councils who

have found capacity and still have capacity to take more children. if i look back at the six or seven months i have been dealing with this, there has not been a point where the government has actually responded positively to the extra children we wa nted positively to the extra children we wanted to take. when we said we would take ten more than the national scheme, instead of getting a welcome from the home office, i was told by my officials they were angry with us. so i don't believe the government's heart has been in the government's heart has been in the right place, politics is always about choices and what politicians have done in britain is step up, we area have done in britain is step up, we are a stand up country, when children are being abused we stop it. there are two other things which i would say, first, it isn'tjust about taking the children in, it is also about making sure we try and sort out the issues in syria and

other mrafss too. —— places too. that is making sure there is some kind of activity tafbging place to produce political certainty there. that is very important. but secondly, we need to make sure, yes, we need to actually take some children in, but we have got to make sure we have got the structures in place so we can deliver and help. you came here as an uncompanied 13—year—old from afghanistan what. did sanctuary mean to you and what do you think with this programme being closed with 350 children benefitting from it? good morning. i think for me, i'm grateful for britain to have welcomed me and allowed me to stay here and give me the opportunity in education. feel angry with the system of asylum that is not only dehumanising, it doesn't work and it costs a lot and it is

not fit for purpose and it is possible, if every local authority took in 25 people we would playing ourfairshare and doing took in 25 people we would playing our fair share and doing our bit. i'm not saying we should take even. everyone. but we would be standing up everyone. but we would be standing up to our responsibility and our moral duty. are you moved by that? of course i'm moved by it. it would be unfair if i were not to be moved in some form by this. but we have got to make sure we are giving these people quality life. the other points in plymouth we are a dispersal... when you talk about quality life, anything will be better than what they're leaving. that is true. but we have got to make sure there are the structures in place to deliver this properly. nowjess, you are with refugees taking this to court. the government

never gave a time frame or a number of kids to come in. no, the initially ly proposition was 3,000. it was never agreed. what what we are looking at now is the tenth of the initial number. 350 is less than one child per local authority. i don't think the government could be doing any less than less one child per local authority. the government says it is not closing the door the vulnerable kids, because there are other schemes, it is just this particular programme which they say there was concerns it was encouraging child traffickers. there was concerns it was encouraging child traffickersm there was concerns it was encouraging child traffickers. it is correct, there are other schemes that can bring uncompanied children and refugees, but the dubs amendment was a special one that caters for

the most vulnerable and are alone and many we saw were as young as six or seven. if you can imagine your six or seven—year—old child trying to negotiate being out in the world by themselves without protection, these are the children this amendment was designed for. it has a legal mandate in parliament and there is no other scheme that caters for children the way this does. that is why we have to protect it. oliver, when you have stephen from the council saying that there is more scope in the system to bring more scope in the system to bring more kids, they have the space for another two, and there may be other councils to stay the same, so why stop it now? the other point we haven't talked about is the amount of contribution the government is doing into international development issues in the syrian places. that is

a different issue. it is part of that, because we also have to sort out the problem before it ends up affecting us. these are children who have travelled away from where they come from, who are on their own, who need help. well, this local authority has been working very closely on refugees as a whole, and they have made it quite clear as to what they actually want to see the government actually doing, and that is about making sure that there is a simple way in which they can access funds, that they can have good quality private rented sector housing, and what is more, they also wa nt housing, and what is more, they also want to make sure that they have the facilities in place. your perspective has been shaped by the experiences in plymouth. yes. explain a bit more about how you see things having been there. one of the

things having been there. one of the things i will almost certainly be asking the government to do is to make sure that they make it much claire and easier for local authorities like plymouth, which i have to tell you is a very deprived community. we have a difference in life expectancy of 12 years between my constituency and the north west. they have to make it easy to access this money to deal with this activity, and to make sure that it will be ongoing, notjust for a year or two. councillor stephen cameron, thatis or two. councillor stephen cameron, that is fair enough, isn't it? he is someone who is absolutely reflecting the needs of his constituents and standing upfor the needs of his constituents and standing up for them. well, i think it is not fair on british people. we are of the only council to abolish home care chargers, we have the greatest number of council funded police on the streets, so our priority will always be our residents, but they are fundamentally decent... what are you

saying? there are different pressures wherever you are, on their? the people of britain are fundamentally decent and i think oliver is not taking that into account. it is not right to say we need to sort out syria first, we need to sort out syria first, we need to sort out syria first, we need to sort out all the problems in britain. there are 3000 children out there, most going to europe. some are in italy, in greece, in france, and they are flooding in because of wars in different places, and the question is, what does great britain do when there is such a catastrophe? my answer is, we offer a share. that was around 3000 kids. that figure was around 3000 kids. that figure was never agree, was it? 350 is not ourfair was never agree, was it? 350 is not our fair share, was never agree, was it? 350 is not ourfairshare, andl was never agree, was it? 350 is not our fair share, and i think we should do better in —— we could do better and we should. thank you for joining us. in the last few minutes, the court of appeal has ruled that pimlico plumbers has lost its appeal

over the employment status of a former self employed plumber. he was in fact, the court found, a worker and should be entitled to basic rights. job line is outside the royal courts ofjustice rights. job line is outside the royal courts of justice in rights. job line is outside the royal courts ofjustice in central london, with the head of pimlico plumbers. tell us more about this ruling and what it means. the background concerns gary smith, a plumber who worked at him like a plumbers in central london for six yea rs. plumbers in central london for six years. and he was regarded as self employed by the company because he had his own vat number, his own tools and materials, and he was responsible for his work. but when he asked to work fewer hours and humid days, the company could not come to an arrangement, so his contract was terminated. —— few days. the matter was brought to an employment tribunal, and a tribunal came to the opinion that mr smith was a worker and not fully self—employed. pimlico plumbers appealed to the court of appeal

here, and in the last few minutes, as you said, the ruling is that the appeal by pimlico plumbers has been rejected. this could have implications across the board for the so—called gig economy, whereby you are working at the behest of an application, and you are self—employed in some respects. it could have implications because it means that those workers could be entitled to holiday pay and other such protections under the law. let's talk to charlie mullins, the chief executive and founder of pimlico plumbers, who hasjust lost his case. i suppose you're disappointed. not really. we have clarity today. the judges have come up clarity today. the judges have come up with the idea that he is a worker. garyjoined us as a self—employed contractor, paying his own tax, supply his own material. suddenly, he had an issue with itself and he wanted the benefits of paye. he had a pimlico plumbers

badge and he could not work for anyone else in the five days he was engaged to work for you. we wanted him to work five days. he was a great engineerand it him to work five days. he was a great engineer and it is a shame that we lost him. the end result is, you know, that the judgment today, we would need to look into that. they say he is a worker, and the information i have been given as a worker is that they pay paye, they do not supply their own tools, their own materials. gary wanted to do those things himself. he paid his own tax, supplied material. he also was. . . own tax, supplied material. he also was... getting paid forany equipment he needed on a job. he wanted self—employed rights, but there was an issue, and six years down the line, he feels he is entitled to have the benefits of paye. the court has decided in his

favour. what does it mean for your company? favour. what does it mean for your 7 a favour. what does it mean for your company? a lot of your staff are engaged in that kind of employment. will you have to pay out back holiday pay, put people on the books as paye? we don't have a problem. gary had the option to be self—employed or paye. it was his choice to be self—employed. we have changed contracts. we have more legal advice on this. contracts have now been improved for self—employed basis if people want them. but this is going to cost your company more money, because you want now have the flexibility that you once had, because you have to bring people onto the books. i don't have a problem putting someone on the books. you actually pay them less. gary's issue was holiday pay and sick pay. he was one of the highest—paid plumbers in the world,

on £80,000 a year. if he was on paye, he would be on 40,000 a year. does this feed across to other people who have had this kind of arrangement with their company?” cannot say whether it will go nationwide. people have to look into their situations. i am nationwide. people have to look into their situations. lam pleased nationwide. people have to look into their situations. i am pleased we have a bit more clarity on it. it is a grey area. we need to look into that and get it right for everybody, hopefully. will you appeal to the supreme court? i will take my lawyer's advice, and i think it is very likely that we will appeal. charlie mullins, the founder of pimlico plumbers. potentially millions of people in a similar working environment will watch this very carefully. thank you very much. see you later. last week it was beyonce and jay—z, today it is george and amal clooney who are the latest celebrity couple

to announce they are expecting twins. the rumours began to circulate last month when mrs clooney was spotted wearing a loose—fitting dress, and they were confirmed by the couples friend, matt damon. according to reports, the babies are due injune. let's talk to the entertainment journalist, emma bullimore. she joins on webcam from south london. emma, there have been some rumours, not confirmed by the couple themselves but by met damon. —— matt damon. if he says it, it is definitely true. they are expecting a boy and a girl, and it is lovely news. how much information are we likely to get? not so much. beyonce announced her twin spectacularly with that amazing photo shoot. this will be more low—key, you could say slightly classier. i don't expect to hear much more about it. the oscars are coming up, so no doubt they will be on the red carpet. until the babies are born, this is the only morsel we will get. possibly late

fatherhood by him ? morsel we will get. possibly late fatherhood by him? he has said many times that he did not think kids we re times that he did not think kids were on the cards for him. who knows, but something has changed his mind, and now he is expecting to back lovely babies. obviously, he had lots of high—profile girlfriends, but he was a confirmed bachelor until his wife came along. he was, and he dated a lot of high—profile women, very glamorous women. his wife is very glamorous, but she is also a human rights lawyer, a spectacular woman in her own right, and maybe he has met his match and thought, this is the woman i want to settle down and have children with. the fact that you said they had not confirmed anything. she has been going around with a bit of a baby bump. it is a lwa ys with a bit of a baby bump. it is always dodgy territory when people wa nt to always dodgy territory when people want to work out if someone is pregnant or not. we are obviously

fascinated, but any woman who is pregnant does not want to reveal that use too soon. but it gets to point where you can't hide it, and thatis point where you can't hide it, and that is where they have got. they will be walking so many red carpets during awards season, so it is inevitable we would out. twins - the new must have accessory in hollywood? roger federer did it yea rs hollywood? roger federer did it years ago. these are not the first celebrities to have twins. it is something that is out of your control, even if you are a celebrity. it is a great coincidence. many people might speculate that twins are more likely if you have had ivf, but it is pure speculation. it is great news all round. a glimpse into showbiz life that matt damon, another high—profile figure in hollywood, is the person who has confirmed this news because he is a mate. george has maybe said, matt, you could take that over and let the press know, that over and let the press know, that would be fantastic. all the people who worked on those oceans films seem to be very good friends.

we have to wait and see if he will bea we have to wait and see if he will be a hands—on dad. will he take paternity leave from the movies?” expect he will do whatever he wants to do. there will be no financial constraints. he may still want to work, maybe take the baby on set. we will see. thank you very much. that is the clooneys' happy news that a boy and girl will arrive in the month ofjune. we will see plenty of them on the red carpet in the awards season. the bathtubs are coming up on sunday. we interviewed ken loach on sunday. we interviewed ken loach on the programme earlier. if you wa nt to on the programme earlier. if you want to see the full interview, it will be on the website. —— the ba ftas. will be on the website. —— the baftas. just a quick comment on what is going on in a&e and start being attacked sometimes by their patients. why are we so

accommodating of drunks in a&e? it is self—inflicted and the result of their own behaviour. in other countries, drunk people are consigned to the cooler rather than being treated in hospital. thank you for your company. have a lovely weekend. bbc newsroom live bill is coming up. goodbye. a few breaks in the cloud today. the best breaks will be in scotland, where there are snow showers. . england and wales, sunshine harder to find, those breaks filling in, pushing in wintry showers. it will feel very cold, with temperatures for celsius at best. —— four

celsius. there may be rain and sleet along the coast overnight, snow inland, leading to icy conditions. where we have clearer skies, in north—west scotland and northern ireland, a sharp frost on the way. strong winds will blow the cloud backin strong winds will blow the cloud back in again, bringing wintry showers further through the country. they will turn to rate or —— rain or sleet further into the day. it will feel cold. it will stay that way into sunday. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11am.

the health secretary concedes the nhs in england is facing "completely unacceptable" problems, as patients were forced to wait up to 13 hours in a&e. i'm doing thisjob because i want nhs care to be the safest and best in the world, and that's kind of ca re in the world, and that's kind of care is completely unacceptable, no one would want it for members of their own family. meanwhile, attacks on nhs staff are rising but the body which advises hospitals about stav security said it may be stopping its work. "see you in court," the words from president trump after a federal appealsjudge refuses to reinstate his ban on travellers from seven mainly muslim countries. a man