tv Dateline London BBC News February 12, 2017 2:30am-3:01am GMT
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the south korean military says north korea has fired a missile into the sea of japan. the type of missile has not been identified. it's the first such test since president trump took office and it comes as the japanese prime minister visits the us. a white house official says president trump has been briefed. the us president donald trump has told reporters he could bring forward a new executive order to replace a proposed travel ban suspended by the courts. it banned entry to citizens of seven mainly—muslim nations. in a tweet he also said the american legal system is broken. clashes in the iraqi capital, baghdad have left at least five people dead. the trouble broke out between the security forces and supporters of the shia muslim cleric, muqtada al—sadr. tens—of—thousands of demonstrators at the rally denounced government corruption and demanded
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electoral reform. now on bbc news it's time for dateline london. hello, and welcome to dateline london. president trump's travel ban ruled out by a court. donald trump responds with the un court. and russian intervention in libya. another tactical victory for vladimir putin. these are my guess is -- vladimir putin. these are my guess is —— guests today. it is good to see all of you. president trump's own nominee to the us supreme court was said to have criticised the president of the donald trump's attitude tojudges. donald president of the donald trump's attitude to judges. donald trump talked of so—called judges. it
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follows the decision to rule out the president's travel ban on people from president's travel ban on people fro m m ostly president's travel ban on people from mostly muslim countries. are these teething troubles, or a sign of how the next four years are likely to be in washington, with the president attacking the pillars of the us constitution? when are we now? i think, look, the us constitution? when are we now? ithink, look, what the us constitution? when are we now? i think, look, what happened this week reflects that donald trump has a hazy understanding of the constitution and checks and balances that are the hallmarks of the us political system. the appeals court judges sent a strong message to him saying we cannot invoke national security concerns to do whatever you want. are these teething problems? to some extent, there is some of that going on. remember, when he issued the executive order on immigration he did not have key nominations in place, like rex tillerson, orjudge gorsuch. now he is considering rewriting the order
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and making it more narrow the peak it reflects the fact thatjeff sessions has told him this is too risky, perhaps you have to dial this back if you really want to, if you really wa nt back if you really want to, if you really want to make sure to not lose this. but i think that the hallmarks of the trump presidency seemed pretty clear now. people who think he will pivot and become more presidential in his style and manner are going to be left disappointed. hit style is to attack, personally, people on twitter, judges, corporate executives, and, you know, there is a real risk to that going forward. not only is he tying himself very personally to policy initiatives like the immigration order that seemed destined to fail, he is also attacking judges in his tweets, and seems to be parking blame at their feet for any possible future terrorist attack, which i think is
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dangerous going forward. —— seem. no one should be surprised this is how he is carrying himself. this is how he is carrying himself. this is how he ran his business is four years. combative, and i don't think this is going to change. the style role mean the same. —— will remain the same. we have seen him die back on certain policy issues, like the one china policy. but we will not see a different kind of donald trump emerge. what do you think of it? how do you think this has gone down in many arab countries that have been singled out? the man is barely three weeks in powerand singled out? the man is barely three weeks in power and he singled out? the man is barely three weeks in powerand he is weeks in power and he is creating problems everywhere. first, he, you know, banning certain muslim countries. it is pure racism. he picks countries that never exported
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terrorism to that part of the world. honestly. it is amazing. only six terrorist attacks actually happened in the united states from those immigrants living in the united states. the second thing is the contradiction. first he wanted saudi arabia and the gulf states to pay for the protection, american protection. now he is phoning them, saying, come with me and fight iran. he wants to disable the nuclear deal. that has gone down quite well in saudi arabia and elsewhere. the saudis are absolutely focused on iran topper that is their number one foreign policy. he knows his gulf states are very vulnerable. and they we re states are very vulnerable. and they were almost protected by the united states. now, obama actually said, look, you have to change your strategy and depend on yourself and talk to iraq and solve your problem by talking. because we cannot, you
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cannot, have an easy out. i believe now obama, sorry, now donald trump is working into the hands and to the agendas of islamic state, al qaeda, and other... why do you say that? i say that because now all the muslims feel vulnerable. and they believe this man actually is coming to attack muslims and hate muslims and to create walls, in that kind of word. now he is unifying the shias and sunnies against the us. there was a division beforehand. terrorism used to be a sunni thing. now he is saying it is all of them. he unified them. you want is to mobilise all
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them. you want is to mobilise all the muslim world against the united states. is this a wise policy?” will tell you what i think of donald trump andl will tell you what i think of donald trump and i will tell you what africans think of him and ugandian is, for example. i have had many say he has south african blood. i don't mean the normal africa, the cultures of africa, i mean that club in africa. there has been recently ate, you know, a feast look sort of video that went viral. —— a facebook video that went viral. —— a facebook video that went viral of idi amin saying he is the greatest. somewhere there was an american programme where they actually did that comparison between donald trump and idi amin and
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mugabe. it was so interesting for me when i saw the types of comparisons. this man is a joke. when i saw the types of comparisons. this man is ajoke. he is when i saw the types of comparisons. this man is a joke. he is not a joke. he is elected as president of the united states. nobody has seriously challenged his legitimacy. i don't know, he may have been elected by the american people, but what he is doing and how he is doing it, andl what he is doing and how he is doing it, and i can tell you that personally i believe that all of these things he has been saying, i am going to do this, i am going to do that, i am going to do this, being an amin type of person, he will not do those things. look at the ban. soon he will realise he cannot do it and retract it. for example, iam cannot do it and retract it. for example, i am following islamic state on social media. you cannot imagine. they are celebrating what
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donald trump is saying. look, this is america, these are the people we told you they hate us as muslims but now you believe us. this is the proof. i agree with you. it is not just terrorists coming together. america was hated in the early 70s and 80s in many parts of the world, with burning of flags and kidnapping. he is taking america back to the place where it is not safe in the world. it does not matter who you are. if you are feeling the hate. my goodness, we are the next dues. you are so right you were born in uganda. it was the
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biggest mistake, idi amin. he got the judges first. he biggest mistake, idi amin. he got thejudges first. he hanged biggest mistake, idi amin. he got the judges first. he hanged them and then the intellectuals. then the media. he systematically went for them. this is the modern equivalent. but if you are right and people will dispute it, there will be viewers who disputed and say it will all be fine, but if you are right, creating that division will work. —— dispute it. this is a president who, in my experience, at his inauguration, did not really do anything in terms of bringing the country together, which presidents try to do at the time of the inauguration. in other words, what has worked well for him is defining another people, the liberals in the us and enemies abroad. it works in a sense but he has other things to do.
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including from his own supreme court nominee. that was astonishing, wasn't it? he is clearly a judge who believes in the courts being independent. there are theories about that, that gorsuch knows that he needs to come out and distance himself from what trump has done in order to win confirmation. but he has done what nominees have done before their confirmation hearings, make the rounds among senators, try to allay fears, try to reassure them. trump has denied that he has said this. gorsuch apparently told several senators that he was disheartened and found trump's comments disheartening and demoralising. it is essential for him to distance himself in order to win approval in the senate. however, trump is constantly undermining that, and disagreeing with him. it is interesting and shocking that the senate in congress have been much less effective in opposing trump than have the people, the judiciary, activists. i am so shocked by paul ryan. he resisted his own nomination quite vocally. and now he is completely a supplicant of trump. the issue of checks and balances is very important for me because the african dictatorships
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i am talking about, in uganda, today the media is being hit, people have rigged elections and so on. the judiciary cannot do it, the media cannot do it, but in america you are blessed with the infrastructure and democracy. i would like to talk about his mobilisation against iran. obama and the other five countries, they realised that the cost of war against iran will be huge, so he talked to the iranians, and used pressure to reach this nuclear deal. now he is actually trying to provoke iran, and you cannot see how the iranians are responding. they are people of pride, and the mullahs are mobilising. you are right. and now he is completely a supplicant of trump. the issue of checks and balances is very important for me because the african dictatorships i am talking about, in uganda, today the media is being hit, people have rigged elections and so on. the judiciary cannot do it, the media cannot do it, but in america you are blessed with the infrastructure and democracy. i would like to talk
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about his mobilisation against iran. obama and the other five countries, they realised that the cost of war against iran will be huge, so he talked to the iranians, and used pressure to reach this nuclear deal. now he is actually trying to provoke iran, and you cannot see how the iranians are responding. they are people of pride, and the mullahs are mobilising. you are right. obama managed to neutralise the muslim world vis—a—vis america. america was not hated during obama's two terms. trump is reviving this hatred among the iranians, the muslims, the africans, latin americans. he has dialled back his rhetoric on iran. he vowed on the campaign trail to rip up the deal with iran,
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and that does not seem to be happening. he has dialled back a bit. he is imposing sanctions, economic sanctions against certain areas. but the shocking thing was, i was in america in october before the election, the number of muslims who were backing trump, shame on them. 33% of american muslims backed this man. it is a challenge, the other thing he presents is a challenge forjournalism. when you have got a president who basically says terrorist attacks are not being reported, and the facts are that every one of those attacks as far as we can see were reported and given a degree of interest by different media
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outlets, but they were reported. how do you handle someone who says things which are clearly not the case? how do you handle someone who says things which is clearly not the case. there is talk about we should not televising these press conferences live, eitherfrom kellyanne conway or from trump, because would you need to fact—check them, which you can't do as they're happening live. it is an incredibly difficult position thatjournalists are in now. he has threatened them. there is, you know, some question mark whether or not they'll continue to have space, the press corp, in the white house. so it is very challenging. it's the constant strea m challenging. it's the constant stream of alternative facts, is posing new challenges for all of us. also we
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mustn't forget the dark forces behind trump, bannon.” mustn't forget the dark forces behind trump, bannon. iwould mustn't forget the dark forces behind trump, bannon. i would be very concerned about the type of forces that supported him, radical, sometimes armed—guys who wanted to damage. i would sometimes armed—guys who wanted to damage. iwould be sometimes armed—guys who wanted to damage. i would be more worried about them than trump i'm sorry —— himself. i think he will be cut short. i don't think he be the able to intimidate totally the judiciary, even the america. let's see, because following western intervention in libya, led by britain and france, the downfall of cornell gaddafi has
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not one but two governments. maybe you could tell us what is actually going on in libya? six years ago there was a state of euphoria on the west. we managed to achieve a huge success. west. we managed to achieve a huge success. we toppled the tyrant and we will make libya as a model of success we will make libya as a model of success of the middle east. six years, nobody talks about this situation. the west created libya and nobody. because it is chaotic and nobody. because it is chaotic and very dangerous. it is chaotic. i tell you, you have three governments, you have two parliaments, you have three armies, you have tens of militias. you have no security at all in this country. everybody is fighting everybody. you have half of the libyan people emigrate either to tu niz y or to e
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-- tunisia emigrate either to tu niz y or to e —— tunisia or to egypt to seek safety, decent way of life. the situation now, ok, the west decided to support the so—called democracy. the elected government never actually had the teeth in order to impose its force there. there is one general, there general called khalifa haftar. he is ex—colonel of libya, he used to work with gaddafi and was part of his revolutionary council. he defected, went to the united states. he was in the cia head quartered, he united states. he was in the cia “m sort ofa -7 is in the south of lib a. which is in the south of libya. anyway, now what is happening? this general is backed by egypt, by the
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united arab emirates and now russia. why? he managed to secure that eastern part of libya, which is the wealthy part. it is where the oil is. yes. he managed to root out isis from that eastern part and he control that oil crescent, which is, you know, about 80% or 75% of libyan oil export is coming from that part. 0k. oil export is coming from that part. ok. now, the west, actually, couldn't do anything. they broke libya, they cannot fix it... ok, barry, stop. one thing, one thing... a quick interruption. you have given us a quick interruption. you have given us the anti—western analysis. i think it is time to look at russia. it really is time. what russia has donein it really is time. what russia has done in syria and is about to do in libya, you have to completely focus... but let me focus. wait until i mention it. focus... but let me focus. wait untili mention it. that's why focus... but let me focus. wait until i mention it. that's why i'm coming for you. unbelievable.
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mention it now. go to russia. because it is very interesting what russia is doing. i'm explaining. no, you can't have all the time. tell us russia, rur. you're taking up —— russia. you're taking up too much time. the west went to russia, italy and britain. they say to russia, "please save us, we have this illegal immigration. there are 2,000km of the seashore of the libyan territories in the mediterranean, we cannot do anything. please help us." russia, moscow, invited, after he was received by putin, lavrov, also the defence minister, and he had, actually, a very, very fruitful talk as the media said. then they reach an agreement, first to kerb all that immigration in libya, and also to work under that un—backed government of the so—called national accord government. and to be, you know, the leader of the army. but what does
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russia get? what does russia get? russia get? what does russia get? russia will get a military base on tobruk, libya. we will come back to you, barry. what is happening is very simple. you just have to study this man called putin. yes. some of us this man called putin. yes. some of us have been in russia, i was there for ten years, during communist and post—communist. we know who kgbr. this guy has succeeded in syria, making sure the failure of the west is 'my gain'. he is doing exactly the same template now in libya. what he has done is identify this general klalifa. this man has the military power, he is promoted to become the real leader. the only problem is with russia he doesn't the type of commotion. he doesn't matter whether
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the syrian president is a democrat or anything like that, if he is a sta ble or anything like that, if he is a stable man who can solve... exactly. that's the problem. barry's narrative, if he's correct, he has cracked down on isis, he will stop, or try to control migration. there isa or try to control migration. there is a lot of people in europe who will say, "that's great." no, not a lot of people in europe because the standards by which this man — it isn't the country, it is this man — operates, should really worry all of us. operates, should really worry all of us. i totally agree intervention in libya and what we did in iraq and you know how i felt about all that, but it is time now to focus on, actually, this really dangerous and quite evil presence in putin. and what he did in syria, what he has done to the people of syria with assad is absolutely should be the focus of good people. it should be. yes, we are not talking about syria. we are talking about libya... no, but same thing. let me just talk.
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you know, we are talking...the west we nt you know, we are talking...the west went to putin. he did not go to the west. it doesn't matter. they said to him, "come and save us in libya we made a mistake, some and save us." we made a mistake, some and save us." the we made a mistake, some and save us. " the west we made a mistake, some and save us." the west is doing that because of the migration problem, for example, to europe. president obama said the greatest mistake which i regret in my two terms, you know, intervention in libya. so they admit that, they made mistakes. it was the british and french who were very proud of it at the time. where do you think that this leaves us? because the argue nt has been eight yea rs of because the argue nt has been eight years of —— argument of eight years of obama, he was terrible. putin can do it. russia wants to establish dominance in the region. it lost billions of dollars in oil contracts
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in libya after gaddafi was ousted and killed. this is part of putin's effort to re—establish his geopolitical power in the region. now, you know, whether or not putin backing haftar is actually going to stem the flow of real question to me. isn't it actually going to undermine the stability of the country, the un peace process, and actually leave europe out in the cold, because putin doesn't care about the flow of refugees into europe and neither does trump. and neither does general haftar. general haftar has been against european and un attempts to kerb that migration. this is also where, i think, there isa this is also where, i think, there is a connection between trump and putin. and they both — they both seem putin. and they both — they both seem to admire so—called strong men, leaders, authoritarian, people who they view as being able to re—establish order in where they see as chaotic regions. however, you
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know, trump, he hasn't criticised russia for this. he may not have to. he may be able to — he may not even have to endorse what's happening. he could just turn a blind eye and allow it to happen. general haftar, himself, talked about trump. and he said that, "look, because of the war we are carrying out against terrorism in this region, i think trump will appreciate that and we can trump will appreciate that and we can work with them." the centre of power is like that. you know, you have a government in tripoli and this government is backed by muslim brotherhoods and supported by qatar and turkey. and you have the un—backed government that has no brother on the —— power on the ground. now the muslim brotherhood is about to set up a new government.
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the problem we are facing is haftar isa very the problem we are facing is haftar is a very clever man, despite — i hate him personally, because of a long time ago my leftist way of thinking. anyway, so what is he doing? he used the immigration card to put pressure on the west, on britain, italy, france and the united states. saying, "look, ok, you ignore me. you don't recognise my services. my power. i will use this immigration card against you." and he used it very well. after six years, they say, they throw the towel, saying, "please come and help us." towel, saying, "please come and help us." we will have to leave it there. that's it for dateline london this week. you can comment on the programme this week on twitter. you can engage with our guests. we're back at the same time. please make a date with dateline london, bye, bye. there is the potential for
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there is the potentialfor some rain across east anglier. heavy snow across east anglier. heavy snow across the pennines. that snow will build up in the high pennines, the north york moors. there could be an odd covering elsewhere, maybe across east anglier. further west, odd covering elsewhere, maybe across east anglier. furtherwest, cloud for the day on sunday. thickening up again, with some patches of rain. might geta again, with some patches of rain. might get a few spells here in west wales. northern ireland starting off ona wales. northern ireland starting off on a cloudy note. through the rest of the day, again, generally cloudy skies, patches of rain working in. there will tend to be a transition from back to line at low elevations but further heavy snowfall across
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the alpines. another cold day wherever you are. six nations rugby plaoufs to paris, france take —— moves to paris, france taking on scotland. temperatures warmer here, 7 degrees. there'll be subtle changes in our weather early next week. the pressure pattern shifting a little, winds coming from a south—easterly direction. not quite as cold for england and wales for potential for sharp frost for northern areas of scotland. for monday, still a cold wind, knocking the edge off the temperatures but they'll be rising a little bit. further north, more of the same. maybe a bit of win tryness over the higher ground as well. the trend is to get some milder weather, highs of 12 degrees in london by welcome to bbc news, broadcasting at home and around the globe.
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i'm ben bland. our top stories: the south korean defence ministry says north korea has fired a missile into the sea of japan. trump says the american legal system is broken, in his latest attack on judges, as he fights with them over his travel ban. clashes in the iraqi capital, baghdad, over government corruption have left at least five people dead. in romania, thousands of protesters have turned out in bucharest for the 12th day in a row to demand the resignation of the government. and in italy, the venice carnival kicks off with a spectacular procession on the grand canal.
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