tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News February 22, 2017 9:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello. it's wednesday. it's 9am. i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. should british citizens be allowed to bring their spouses to the uk whatever their income? right now, they need to earn over £18,000 a yearin they need to earn over £18,000 a year in order to do so. we're expecting a supreme court ruling live in the next hour or two. we'll bring you the result. how can you carry on like this? how can we continue to live like this? we wa nt can we continue to live like this? we want to be able to be together. we want to be able to be together. we wa nt we want to be able to be together. we want to be able to be together. we want to be able to be together. we want to be able to sit down and relax together. but we can't. we have to stay like this. also, it's the brit awards tonight. we'll be asking if the organisers have done enough to celebrate black artists after criticism of last yea r‘s pretty artists after criticism of last year's pretty much all white line—up of nominees. are patients missing out on compassionate care because nurses are too stretched. we'll talk to nurses in the next hour of the
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programme. hello and welcome to the programme. we're live until 11am. we're also talking about the british is fighter who died in that suicide bomb attack on iraqi forces in mosul this week. he was a former guantanamo bay detainee who received, it is reported, £1 million in compensation, taxpayers' money, your money, on his release back to the uk. we'll be asking if the money was spent on terror and how he was able to travel abroad. here's how to get in touch. use #victoria live. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today, a ruling expected later this morning at the supreme court could mean that thousands of british citizens gain the legal right to bring their foreign spouse to live in the uk. currently, people who are married to a briton but are from outside the european economic area — that is, the eu plus iceland, liechtenstein and norway, have been barred from settling here unless their partner earns more
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than £18,600 a year. lisa hampele is here to explain. hi lisa. good morning. so what cases is the supreme court actually ruling on today? well, this is the final court of appeal in the uk for civil cases and they're going to rule on whether this is lawful. critics say that 15,000 children are being prevented from being with their pa rents prevented from being with their parents because of this. and in a series of test cases, those who have been affected argued that the rules breached their right to any family life and in 2013 the high court ruled in their favour saying that the rules were owe near are yous and unjustified and the judge urged the home secretary to rewrite the rules, but the decision was overturned by the court of appeal and that's what led to this challenge. the current law, how does it work at the moment?
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well, from 2012, britons must earn more than £18600 because before a husband or a spouse can come from the eea, and settle in the uk, the minimum income threshold, that affects people settled in the uk as well as refugees and then they have an extra amount of money for each child, £21100 an extra amount of money for each child, £2400 for each child above that. now, the rules don't take account of any earnings of the overseas partner. so you could somebody who has got a, who is better qualified and they could have a much higher income potential if they came here. so that's what some of the critics are saying. 0k, thank you very much, lisa, thank you. we'll be speaking to some of those affected by the current law — british people facing separation from their spouses — in the next few minutes on this programme. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news.
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an extra £200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised by the government to tackle a famine in south sudan and somalia. the international development secretary, priti patel, said the additional funds would provide food, water and emergency health care for more than two million people. here's our diplomatic editor, james landale. in parts of war—torn south sudan, people are now dying of starvation and famine has been officially declared. the un and charities say that somalia, yemen and north—east nigeria are facing similar humanitarian crisis with millions of people having no reliable access to food. so today the international development secretary, priti patel, is promising a new package of emergency aid for south sudan and somalia. she said there will be an extra £200 million made available this year, this would include emergency food and waterfor a million people in somalia and food assistance for 500,000 people in south sudan. there will be also emergency health care and nutritional support for starving children
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in both countries. britain's leadership will basically mean we will be saving lives, bringing vital assistance to people in desperate need but also putting the call out to the international community to get them to step up, to galvanise their support so that we can have a strong international response to what quite frankly could be a devastating humanitarian crisis. gota, got a, who is better qualified and they could have a much higher income potential if they came here. so that's what some of the critics are saying. 0k, thank you very much, lisa, thank you. the problem is these crisis have been caused as much by conflict as by drought and no amount of aid will end the violence that's brought so much suffering to these countries. a convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape during a hospital visit. shaun walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal stabbing in liverpool in 2014.
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he fled from outside aintree university hospital as he was getting into a car with prison officers. 0ur reporter holly hamilton is outside the hospital for us now. holly, tell us more about how this happened. good morning, joanna. yes, from what we understand shaun walmsley was brought here yesterday afternoon for a medical procedure, for a medical appointment, he was set upon unfortunately minutes later, he and two prison guards were coming out of the hospital to return back to liverpooljail coming out of the hospital to return back to liverpool jail where coming out of the hospital to return back to liverpooljail where he has based, where he's serving a life sentence. the two men both of whom we re sentence. the two men both of whom were carrying weapons, it is understood one was carrying a gun, the other was brandishing a knife, both had their faces coveredment they forced the two prison officers to release shaun walmsley. neither prison guards were injured in the incident. they were able to raise the alarm quickly. merseyside police say they have launched a nationwide
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search for the prisoner. they're working with the ministry ofjus tus and with other police support officers across the uk to try to trace his whereabouts. he's described as dangerous. members of the public have been asked not to approach him. he was convicted for murder in 2015 and he has been serving a life sentence as you say, along with four other men. now, he is described as dangerous. he is expected to be still with the two men who helped him escape yesterday afternoon. it's possible they could still be carrying weapons, so members of the public have been asked not to approach them, but instead to call 999 if they have any information. thank you, holly. it's thought that a british man, who carried out a suicide bombing in iraq for the so—called islamic state terrorist group, had previously received compensation from the uk government after being arrested in pakistan by us forces and held in guantanamo bay. the man, whom is called abu—zakariya al—britani, but who was previously known as jamal al harith and before
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that ronald fiddler, detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a village south of mosul. in 2001, he was detained in the guantanamo bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect, but was freed in 2004 after lobbying from the british government. lloyds banking group has reported its highest annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance, ppi, provisions. pre—tax profits increased to £4.24 billion, a level last seen in 2006 before the financial crisis. the uk government's stake in lloyds has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank to full private ownership this year. the cost of essential repairs to school buildings in england has reached almost £7 billion, according to the national audit office. in a report published today, it warns that figure could double by 2020. it also says that ministers' plans to create 500 new free schools adds up to a bill of £2.5 billion simply to purchase the land needed to build them. the white house has issued
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new guidelines designed to multiply the deportation of illegal immigrants from the united states. officials have been told to enforce existing laws more strictly, and more quickly, and to target undocumented people arrested for minor offences such as shoplifting or traffic violations. president trump's spokesman, sean spicer, said the new rules would make immigration officers' work easier. the president needed to give guidance especially after what they went through in the last administration, members had to figure out each individual whether oi’ figure out each individual whether or not they fitted into a particular category and they could adjudicate that case. the president wanted to ta ke that case. the president wanted to take the shackles off individuals in these agencies and say you have a mission, there are laws that need to be followed. you should do your mission and follow the law. malaysian police say they want to question a north korean diplomat over the killing of kimjong—nam — the estranged half—brother
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of north korea's leader kim jong—un. kimjong—nam died after being attacked at the international airport in the malaysian capital kuala lumpur last week. two women caught on cctv carrying out the attack said they thought they were participating in a tv prank, but police claim they were well aware they were using a toxic chemical. by 2030 both men and women in the uk are expected to live well into their 80s, for the first time. scientists at imperial college london looked at the average life expectancy in 35 industrialised nations and discovered all would see people living longer with the gap between men and women starting to close. women in south korea are expected to live the longest, an average age of 90—years—old. if there is a barrier, we are not anywhere close to it. whether that's 100 or 110, we'lljust have to wait for another couple of decades to see, but certainly not 90. the bill giving the prime minister permission to trigger the start of the brexit process has been given an unopposed second reading in the house of lords.
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it will now be discussed in committee where some peers are expected to attempt to amend the proposed legislation. the first anniversary of the murder ofjo cox will be marked by street parties and picnics throughout the country. the mp was killed in her west yorkshire constituency before lastjune's west yorkshire constituency before last june's eu west yorkshire constituency before lastjune's eu referendum. her husband said the great get together would be a fitting tribute it his wife. the plans will be launched by the duchess of cornwall later today. a runaway bull has led police in new york on a chase through the city streets. the bull, which is believed to have escaped from a slaughterhouse, was on the loose for around two hours in the district of queens. it repeatedly gave officers the slip before it was finally tranquilised and captured in a back garden. an animal sanctuary had offered to rehome the bull, but sadly it died
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on its way to the centre. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use #victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. what a thrilling game. two sides going all out to attack? it reminded me of my school days, just playing in the playground. you didn't care about defending your own goal, all you wanted to do was attack, attack. twice city came from behind, 5—3 was the final score. look at that goal! fantastic goal. and then sergio aguero of city said, "anything you can do, i can match you." a brilliant match by city. two attacking teams going all—out. 5—3 was the final score and they take that valuable, valuable lead to monaco in three weeks time. it will
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be an interesting match—up that one. wayne rooney, he's not really going to china, is he? well, it seems unthinkable, if you think a few weeks back when he became manchester united's record goal scorer. this is a person, a legend of the club, so synonymous with manchester united, butjose mourinho yesterday said he can't guarantee that wayne rooney will still be in the squad in the coming seasons. wayne rooney has previously said he will fulfil his contract up until 2019, but when china, the chinese super league come calling there is a big financial incentive for him to leave. we understand he won't go in the next week when the chinese super league tra nsfer week when the chinese super league transfer window is opened, but possibly, possibly in the summer. it does make you wonder about wayne rooney's long—term future at the club. what is the latest with the pie eating verve goalie or no longer reserve goalie for sutton? yeah, you know it's a big story when it gets
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its own hashtag, pie gate, it has been called. there is a petition launched to have him reinstated after he stepped down from the club yesterday and there were some people out there that will say he was just having a laugh and perhaps the rules are restrictive, but if you look at this argument, he has broken the rules and the rules are that no one is allowed, no one including players, coaches, staff, officials are allowed to bet on anything to do with a football competition, directly or indirectly as the case maybe. now, you know, it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but did it compromise the integrity of the competition? this is what the fa and the gambling commission will be investigating. thank you very much, jess. nursing standard and marry curie
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asked nurses about their experiences of caring for patients in their final months, weeks and days of their lives. if nursing standard and marie curie, asked nurses about their experiences of caring for patients in the final months, weeks and days of their lives. two out of three nurses said they don't have enough time to provide high quality care. they also said training and community services need to improve. let's speak to conservative mp maria caulfield who used to work as an nhs nurse, an a&e nurse danny meredith, an assistant mental health nurse diane cawood and alwin puthenparakal who works in intensive care. really give our audience an insight into a typical day? it is a very fast paced environment. it involves a lot of high—pressure time management. 0rganisational skills. 0na daily management. 0rganisational skills. on a daily basis, we tend to go on
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the phrase time is tissue. we remind ourselves of the challenges we face every day. what kind of patients are you looking after. they tend to be sedated and ventilated, normally non—cognate area. they are looked after the accident scene, excellent training. also the family members as well. how many patients would you be responsible for, not use only, as you said, it is 18? normally if it is one care, in the uk, it can vary. if the patients are getting better, it can vary from one nurse looking after two patients. normally the case. what is the biggest challenge
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asa case. what is the biggest challenge as a nurse working in intensive care? the biggest challenge, i would say, not having enough time. essentially, because there are a lot of things to do in a given period of time. ina of things to do in a given period of time. in a 12 hour period. however the most important goal for all of us asa the most important goal for all of us as a team is to help patients recover. besides that, we have the document everything we do. looking after the welfare of the family members. look after the welfare of ourselves, throughout the process of a heavy, emotionally distressing day. fantastic insight, thank you. diane, you are an assistant mental health nurse. typical day, give our audience and real insight, to get under the skin of what you do on a daily basis? no two days of the same
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in mental health. part of what i love about it. usually quite busy and hectic. you will have 22, 23, 24 patients. people with depression, anxiety, self harm and those suffering with psychosis. you are looking after the day today needs generally, people with mental health conditions. if any of them have physical illnesses, as well. on a ward with 22 patients, hammond staff would there be? on a typical day shift, two qualified nurses and two nursing assistants. 0n shift, two qualified nurses and two nursing assistants. on a night shift, one qualified nurse and two systems. is that enough?? i would not say so, we need more staff, if
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it gets more busy, more things going on on the ward, you need more staff. what is your biggest challenge? like the previous gentleman said, it is time, never enough hours in the data yourjob. maria coalfield, conservative mp, still doing shifts as an nhs nurse. tell us about a typical day in a hospital?‘ as an nhs nurse. tell us about a typical day in a hospital? a shift can vary, one day can be very different from the next. i have been a nurse for 20 years. i mainly working inpatient setting. i cannot comment about what happens in the community. the types of patients have changed. i work in cancer care, patients used to come in before operations, stay in many days after operations. the post period was a pa rt of operations. the post period was a part of their stay. now they come in on the day of surgery, going home
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pretty quickly. the type of patients are more sicker, post up, acute infections. those patients who are dying, or going on for the same ward. juggling different types is a most difficult part of the job. people recovering from operations, someone people recovering from operations, someone who needs chemotherapy, given on time. often the patient who is poorly, maybe the end of life care, the patient he gets seen last. you have to prioritise the type of patient you are looking after. that has changed, much more acute over the years. since i have been a nurse. the survey, not a revelation to save most nurses say they do not have enough time. what is really significant, what they are saying we don't have enough time with patients who are dying. that is really alarming. in parliament, we have had
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debates about end of life care. in the cancer setting, it is pretty good, excellent hospices, good end of life care. in other settings, alzheimer's, ms, there is not the end of life care support. very often patients are stuck in hospitals, they want to be at home, they want to be ina they want to be at home, they want to be in a hospice. people looking after them, to be in a hospice. people looking afterthem, andl to be in a hospice. people looking after them, and i talked to nurses who say we do not have the skills to do end of life care, often gets forgotten. i completely agree with mary, at the end of the day, it is about training, and the time available to look after the patient. besides my role as in intensive care nurse, i work as a university lecturer, me the time to to students as well. to see what they have
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experienced, and also qualified nurses as well. as previously advertised, in several reports in the last decade, there is a growing problem, this issue has always been there. we need to speak to the patients, for their feedback. look at the problem in a holistic sense. do you get his feet theresa may, and give her your direct experience? do you get his feet theresa may, and give her your direct experience ?|j met with the secretary of state, jeremy hunt, there has been a report done on end of life care. one of the key areas is training for staff. staff are not necessarily trained in pain control. the survey today is that the time. a lot of it to do with the commissioning process, at the moment they are paid for a numberof the moment they are paid for a number of operations, chemotherapy,
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but not paid for end of life care. hospitals are not, and until we are recognising the value of the end of life care, and hospitals... the money would pay for businesses, it would be seen as an intrinsic part of the role. it might pay for them. i have not done the maths, but not enough people wanting to be nurses. the current system, i was under the bursary system, i had reservations about that being disbanded, they we re about that being disbanded, they were turning student nurses away, there was a cap on the numbers. the new schemes, the associate nurse and the apprenticeship nurse will bring more into the profession. that is what we hope is. of course that is the hope. there is a shortage right now. there are 10,000 more nurses being trained in practice, compared to 2010. there are more, many more
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patients, many more challenges because of the lack of social care. my experience in 20 years, the skill mix is better on the wards. i used to look after, ten, 15 years ago, ten patients are shift. that has dropped down to six, that is down to reports like from this report. that was about safety. nurses were looking after too many patients. let me ask you both, what you would say to maria, who occasionally as a hotline to the prime minister because of her experience on the nhs. what messages should she give to her? fundamentally, all about the organisational skills. the adequate amount of training for the appropriate nurses, in particular
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settings. so they can approach these challenges in the right kind of way. diane, what would you say? training certainly helps. i feel staff retention is a big part of it. a lot of people leaving the profession, because they are overworked, undervalued, stress, not supported. it is good to be training more nurses, i myself am a student nurse. we need to be keeping the people already trained, making them feel valued. absolutely. a huge retention problem. it is a difficultjob. a huge level of burn—out. only so long you can be dealing with that stressful situation. a number of nurses who want to return to practice. difficult to do that, time—consuming, expensive process. we need to focus on keeping nurses,
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so we need to focus on keeping nurses, so they do not feel they need to leave the profession and we need to make it easier for people returning to nursing. thanks for coming to the programme. if you work in the nursing profession or use you, let me know your experiences, what it was like for you on the ward, where it was you work. and what the issues are. what the government should be concentrating on. still to come on the programme. it is the brit awards tonight, this year a different story. we are asking if the organisers have done nothing celebrate black artists. we will find out whether british citizens will be allowed to bring their spouses in the uk, and have much they earn. —— however much they earn. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom
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with a summary of today's news. a ruling expected later this morning at the supreme court later could mean that thousands of british citizens gain the legal right here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. a ruling expected later this morning at the supreme court later could mean that thousands of british citizens gain the legal right to bring their foreign spouse to live in the uk. since 2012, people who are married to a briton but are from outside the european economic area — that is, the eu plus iceland, liechtenstein and norway — have been barred from settling here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. to bring their foreign spouse to live in the uk. since 2012, people who are married to a briton but are from outside the european economic area — that is, the eu plus iceland, liechtenstein and norway — have been barred from settling here unless their partner earns more than £18,600 a year. an extra £200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised by the government to tackle a famine in south sudan and somalia. the international development secretary, priti patel, said the additional funds would provide food, water and emergency health care for more
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than two million people. a convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape during a hospital visit. shaun walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal stabbing in liverpool in 2014. he fled from outside aintree university hospital as he was getting into a car with prison officers. it's thought that a british man, who carried out a suicide bombing in iraq for the so—called islamic state terrorist group, had previously received compensation from the uk government after being arrested in pakistan by us forces and held in guantanamo bay. the man, whom is called abu—zakariya al—britani, but who was previously known as jamal al harith and before that ronald fiddler, detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a village south of mosul. in 2001, he was detained in the guantanamo bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect, but was freed in 2004 after lobbying from the british government. lloyds banking group has reported its highest annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance, ppi, provisions. pre—tax profits increased to £4.24 billion, a level last seen in 2006 before the financial crisis. the uk government's stake in lloyds has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank to full private ownership this year. that's a summary of
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the latest bbc news. more at 10am. here's some sport now withjess. the headlines, manchester city manager pep guardiola says his side must score in the return leg in the champions league tie with monaco. city came from behind to win 5—3 last night, but he said they were not the violence unless they can turn monaco's attacking tactics. jose mourinho says he cannot guarantee wayne rooney will be with manchester united next season. he has been linked with the chinese super league. ryan sidebottom will end his 20 year cricket career at the end of the season. he has won the end of the season. he has won the county championship five times, winning t20 world cup 2010. wayne
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shaw has resigned from his position at sutton, after a pie eating row. should british citizens have an automatic right to bring their spouses to the uk? currently you need to earn more than £18,600 if your husband or wife is from a non—eu country — more in some cases where there are children involved. the rules were brought in by the government four years ago to stop low—income migrant families becoming a burden on the taxpayer, but opponents say the rules are unfair and have led to thousands of children being separated from their parents. today the supreme court will decide if the rules are lawful or not. last year our reporter divya talwar met amira, a mother who fled syria with her son, and was left separated from her husband because she didn't meet the minimum income requirement. the seaside town of barry islands in
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wales. this is home for amira and her sonjude since she fled from syria. two years ago the daily sounds of gunfire and barrel bombs were normal life in damascus with her syrian husband. amira is british and her dad is syrian and she met her husband through her relatives living there. when she fell pregnant, the couple decided they had to leave the country. amira came back to the uk just before giving birth, but her husband had to stay behind. he couldn't get a visa and still can't. i don't meet the means or the requirements to bring my husband here on a spouse visa or like wise a family visa. since leaving syria,
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amira's home in damascus has been bombed. family members have lost their lives. her husband has fled to turkey. the family try to skype every day. jude is one of at least 15,000 british children growing up in skype families since the new rules came in, according to a report by the children's commissioner. he's trying to get to give. he's trying to give him cuddles. it is him trying to get to, you know, he's trying... you see, hejust trying to get to, you know, he's trying... you see, he just wants to trying... you see, he just wants to try and get to, he wants to try and get to his dad to have cuddles with him. it can't keep on doing this. i just can't keep on... it's just... how can you carry on like this? how can we continue to live like this?
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we wa nt can we continue to live like this? we want to be able to be together and we want to be able to sit down and we want to be able to sit down and relax together, but we can't. we have to stay like this. yeah, good boy. kiss it. amira and her husband separated this year because the distance between them put too many strains on their relationship. let's talk now to two people who fall below the income requirement. satbir singh who's a british citizen and cannot bring his wife over from india and lian papay whose american husband aj faces being deported because of repeated visa rejections, and chai patel who's charity joint council for the welfare of immigrants it campaigns for justice in immigration law. how long have you been living apart from your going on six wife? months. what's that like? obviously
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incredibly challenging. incredibly unsettling. it makes planning the future very difficult. i think you married in 2014 after you met at university in london. yes. so you married after the rules were brought in. were you aware of them? we were. what we weren't aware of is the technicality in the rules both of us individually actually earn above the minimum income requirement, but as my wife is not an eu citizen, her income isn't couldn'ted and as my work is basically on a contract basis, it's not counted either. previously we were living in the united states. our visas were renegotiated and we were sort of required to leave the us and it was at that point that we were involuntarily put in no position where we basically now have to live in separate countries. you don't have to live in separate countries. you could move to india?|j have to live in separate countries. you could move to india? i could move to india, but if i did that, evenif move to india, but if i did that, even if i got an incrediblejob, there is no way we would save the
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savings requirement to move back to the united kingdom. that's about £60,000 as a minimum. yes. easier said than done, i know. are you trying to get a job? yes. which would give you the minimum requirement? i earn above the income requirement. it is a technicality that contract work isn't recognised. i'm working sort of all hours that i'm working sort of all hours that i'm not working on my actualjob to find a newjob. it's very difficult to turn down work as it comes to say well, i can't take on a new contract because i'm looking for a full—time job because you're foregoing income. you're trapped between a rock and a ha rd you're trapped between a rock and a hard place. the original rational from the government was about effectively the rules were brought in to reduce costs to taxpayers and there were a couple of other things as well. do you accept that?” don't. spouses have not had recourse to public funds traditionally. they
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pay into the nhs before they are granted their visa and if we're talking about the economics of it, the government's o office of national statistics points out there isa national statistics points out there is a net gain to the treasury from spouses who come here and work and pay taxes as my wife would, as many spouses would, so there is no sort of sensible logic behind the economic argument here either. what about if you earn below the minimum income requirement the £18600 figure, you bring a spouse and a child, actually you'd have to earn £22,000 if you wanted to bring a child. actually, the more dependants you have, the more likely you are to be eligible for tax credits so that could be argued is a burden to the taxpayer? well, it defines how you're defining a burd. sometimes i will pay into the system and at other times i will take out. there is no need here to penalise british citizens who for one reason or another might not be earning a very ash trafalgar squarily defined
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income requirement, when at other times they maybe paying more into the system than they take out. they are being penalised because they have married somebody who is from outside the european economic area. thank you for coming on the programme. clearly, you're together, living in newcastle and you have a child as well. but i think leanne, because you don't earn the minimum income requirement, you don't earn enough according to the government then you aj can't stay as you're an american citizen? yeah, that's right. we have been fighting an immigration battle with this for four years now just immigration battle with this for four years nowjust basically trying to get them to see the human aspect side of things. you know, i don't earn £18600, that isn't an average salary within my area. you know, and you know, it is a struggle to try and hit that amount of money and for that reason, we have been fighting a visa, you know, fighting a battle
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with the immigration. obviously if aj was to be removed, it would cause some problems for our son who, you know, who would be devastated by that. of course. a], i'm going to ask you to speak up. we've only got one microphone. sorry about that. what effect is this having on you and your wife and your son? well, it's like the other guy said, we can't really plan for the future because i'm not allowed to work. i'm not allowed any public funds or anything. if i was to be removed, i'm, i'm ourson's anything. if i was to be removed, i'm, i'm our son's main carer through the day while leanne works. one day i would be taking care of him and fi was removed, deported, he would not have his main carer, not have his dad there, where he sees me every day, you know, and i take care of him every day, it would be like a large detachment issue that could
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cause psychological problems in the future for him. have you considered asafamily future for him. have you considered as a family moving to the states? is that possible? we have, yeah. we've thought about it. obviously because we do want to remain together as a family so we have thought about that option. but all of aj's family is actually living within the uk. my family lives here within the uk and jayden is very close to them also. so by taking him out of the uk to america, it would be upsetting him on that part. you know, i think, the best thing all—round for our family is for aj to be able to remain here, aj able to work and jayden stay this his routine and still have his family network around him and also in america, we haven't got the money to get health insurance forjayden for example and that's a big thing to us because, you know, we want to make sure that if anything was to happen to jayden in the future, you
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know, we could go to the hospital or the doctors and obviously in this country it's a plesing that you can do that. over there, country it's a plesing that you can do that. overthere, we country it's a plesing that you can do that. over there, we would have no home. no healthcare. and you know, no work, nojobs. good morning to you. how many families have been impacted by the income rules since 2012? well, our estimates are that about 15,000 children will have been impacted by the rules. in terms of being separated from one or other parent? in terms of being separated. in terms of families, it is hard to say, but it is in the tens of thousands. let's talk about the legal side of this. what is being argued in the supreme court is to do with people's british citizens right toafamily with people's british citizens right to a family life. explain that for our audience? right, so everyone in the uk has a right to a private and
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family life which is put into uk law by the human rights act. and one of the other rights which is very releva nt to the other rights which is very relevant to leanne's case, it is in british law, any immigration decision has to put as a primary consideration the best interests of any children that would be affected and our research shows that not only are children, you know, incredibly psychologically impacted by having one of their parents leave orjust never seeing them, but also that the decision making process that the home office goes through does not do that. it does not look specifically at the best interests of the child in the way that they're legally required to do. so those are the two main questions that the supreme court is going to be looking at. this has been going on since 2013 when the high court said the government policy was unlawful. the judge urged the home secretary to rewrite the rules. that was overturned at the court of appeal and we're waiting for the judgement this morning and what happens today
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is definitive? yes, well, the family could, the families could appeal to the european court of human rights on the human rights point. right. 0k. on the human rights point. right. ok. but the supreme court is definitive in terms of english law. right, 0k. are you feeling anxious? a little bit, yes. notjust for myself, but for thousands of other families who actually if i'm perfectly honest, there are cases worse than this, where there are children involved. i'm fort not nat that we are able to visit each other. for many families that's not an option and i'm keeping my fingers crossed for them as mup as for me. viewer says, "my husband and i had to do long—distance between here and new zealand due to the rule. it was heart wremplging, but worth it now." david says, "migra nts heart wremplging, but worth it now." david says, "migrants who work and
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contribute to our economy should not be deported. some work in essential services." another viewer says, "this response is tragic. how do you tell a young boy, you're english, but go live somewhere else based on earnings?" another viewer says, "keep the ban on spouses. this country is under enough pressure when it comes to schools, nhs and housing." thank you very much all of you. the supreme court ruling is due this morning and we will bring it to you live as soon as it comes in. tonight's brit awards is tonight. last yea r‘s tonight's brit awards is tonight. last year's awards were labelled an embarrassment by one grime artist. months later, organisers announced a
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shake—up with more people from black and ethnic minority backgrounds being put on the judging panel. and ethnic minority backgrounds being put on thejudging panel. at tonight's brits, more than 20 nominations have gone to non—white artists. let's look at the nominees. # shut up. # shut up. # how can you be better than me? # how can you be better than me? # back up dancer. # back up dancer. # i want to chat about back—up dancer. . # # rachel will get her hair braided. #my
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charmaine hayden who runs an online music show, and lauren page, a music fan in cumbria. kano is up for three awards. i'm glad the time has come where grime can be recognised. why has it taken long? is it that grime artists aren't signed to big labels so they don't president the music forward? is it racism? what is it? grime is a new genre. it has been around for 15 yea rs. new genre. it has been around for 15 years. i think everything takes time to nurture and be out there in the right place at the right time. very professional platform, all the
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artists are doing well. the youth, in london, across britain, the right time to be nominated. is it mainstream? it is worldwide. does that change thejohn wrote? do you welcome a bigger audience?” feel like the underground is mainstream, still underground in the meantime. do you reckon? important to commercialise what is existing, rather than turning it into something already commercial. it is just about progressing the art form, as it is. let's talk about what happened last year, the contrasts in terms of nominations. you were brought on the judging panel. what
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did you think about the nominees last year? it is a bit of an oversight. that is being polite? i think thejudging oversight. that is being polite? i think the judging panel was a oversight. that is being polite? i think thejudging panel was a bit outdated. not as useful as it was now. i have to take my hat off to the chairman, he took on board the comments. the outrage online. what he did, he acted on it. which is the best thing to do. acting on it, involving some more youthful people, people from ethnic backgrounds, making thejudging people from ethnic backgrounds, making the judging panel people from ethnic backgrounds, making thejudging panel more even. asa making thejudging panel more even. as a music fan, what did you think of the nominees last year, contrasting with this year? last year, it highlighted the lack of
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diversity in the nominees. the very popular group he brought an album or not even nominated. number two album, fantastic, not even nominated. looking at the sheer diversity this year, absolutely over the moon to see those acts, they really deserve it. as a pure music fan, is the diversity issue overhyped? sometimes, there are that many genres in music, people sometimes think it is overhyped, they think we need loads of different genres to fit in. for the brit awards specifically, and others, it is not overhyped, giving people the recognition they deserve.
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nice that this year they have finally realised that grime, i don't know how to put it, pop music has always been a big factor of the brits, and it is nice that grime is just as popular, getting the artists out there. what did you think about the nominees last year? the nominees la st the nominees last year? the nominees last year, i would have loved to have seen some of the grime acts involved. it is still good. 48 nominations last year, only two went to an artist from an ethnic minority background, in the international categories. you are smiling, like it is unbelievable? definitely last year, there was an oversight. the main thing is, this year it is being corrected. i'm sure you will help to
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bring things together. it is looking better, looking good. the important thing, notjust to make it a whole big grime thing. i don't think the brits did too much, theyjust had enough. really important for some it is not a trophy category, the best crime was not there is not the best rock award, best pop award. we just wa nt rock award, best pop award. we just want recognition for what we do. we're just as want recognition for what we do. we'rejust as big want recognition for what we do. we're just as big as all these other categories of music. do you remember when joss stone categories of music. do you remember whenjoss stone won best urban act? it was an oversight, yet again. things have come a long way. you are a judge, what is it you are looking
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for? what we're looking for, you are given an option of nominees for each category, you pick the nominees for rich category. i am looking for who has had an impact full year. who has put out the best music. whatever is relative to that category. what are you looking for tonight? when you look at kano, big categories, best british solo male, best album of the year. i just british solo male, best album of the year. ijust take some of them bring it home. that is the main thing. is it home. that is the main thing. is it easierfor new it home. that is the main thing. is it easier for new artists, like stormzy? easier to win, or make it?
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it may be easier in context. we are in internet age, it was not like that, it was restricted before, you had to get on certain platforms. now it is easierjust to be yourself, put out good music. become as big and successful as you need to be. great time for grime. stormzy is here at the right time. with his outburst last year, that has created all of this. allowing people to really ta ke all of this. allowing people to really take grime seriously. understanding it is not a small force, it is a force to be reckoned with. why did it have to be taken seriously? it has to be taken seriously? it has to be taken seriously because it is not a micro niche, it is an important part of culture, people like it. you have to credit the hard work that has been put in, by the musicians. kano doing
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music for a long time, impacting a lot of people's lives. people like stormzy, pretty new, doing a lot of work in the diy manner. the artists, people are loving them, why aren't we recognise the talent? tell us about the work that goes into it? pirate radio. trying to get everything captured. a lot of work being put in. if he did not get its value in full worth, disappointing to see this is what is going on right now. people appreciate the work ethic? so of course they do, they can understand, they can see they can understand, they can see the growth. people my age, 30,
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started liking this when they were 15, they can see how far it has come. even the new grime fans go back and see the whole stuff. they can understand where we have come from. i was nine, ten when i first started hearing the sound. i am 21 now. over ten years. thank you very much. we will see what happens. lauren, thank you very much as well. let's bring you breaking news, from the supreme court. the ruling on immigration, so that a few moments ago, it looks like the government have won on principle. the law is lawful. they have lost on the detail. i'm reading this for the first time the supreme court has said the government? new rules preventing people on low incomes bringing husbands and wives to the
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uk could be compatible with human rights laws in principle. thejudge said the rules, the minimum income requirement, are defective, they do not take sufficient account of the welfare of the children involved, and different sort of incomes. british citizens can only bring in a static that an income of £18,600 or more. rising if children are involved. the seven judges said it has caused hardship to thousands of couples. if you be compatible with human rights act. he had a legitimate aim that couples play a full pa rt legitimate aim that couples play a full part in british life, but it fails if it does not take the full interest of children into primary consideration. looks like those
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rules may have to be amended. we will talk to our correspondent live in the next few minutes, bringing you the definitive ruling. time for latest weather. we're talking about storm doris, bringing nasty weather to the united kingdom. looking at the satellite picture, a strea k of looking at the satellite picture, a streak of cloud in the atlantic. this is where doris is, nothing particularly exciting in the five miles an hourwind, particularly exciting in the five miles an hour wind, that the low pressure will go underneath, 150 milejet stream, pressure will go underneath, 150 mile jet stream, a pressure will go underneath, 150 milejet stream, a rapid fall in pressure, 24 millibars in 24 hours. meteorologists referring to this as a weather bomb. it becomes doris into tomorrow. severe weather in to
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parts of the united kingdom, strong winds buffeting parts of north england, north wales, parts of northern england. risk of snow in parts of scotland. disruptive weather like. here is the picture through the rest of the day. gusts reaching 70 miles an hour in the northern isles of scotland. blustery showers through the north—west. quite warm in the north—east of scotland, but the wind easing down. rain into northern ireland in the afternoon. north—west england, pretty wet around greater manchester and merseyside. rain continuing into the north—west of england and wales. quite windy day, mild with it. temperatures around 13 degrees. overnight, rain pepping up in northern ireland. first signs of doris arriving. we will see some rapid pressure falls in the system, as it moves in overnight and tomorrow morning. that is when we
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see the weather impact developing. we have already seen in amber warning from the met office. gusts of wind likely to reach 80 miles an hourin of wind likely to reach 80 miles an hour in north wales, the north of england, up towards yorkshire, lincolnshire and the north. these winds likely to cause damage and disruption if you are out and about, stay tuned for the weather forecast. in the northern edge of a weather system heavy snow in the uplands. 20, 30 centimetres up here, disruptive, potentially snow down to lower elevations for a time. parts of the central belt. disruption to power and transport. thanks to doris. disruptive weather. northern ireland, heavy rain, localised flooding. further south, strong gusts of wind, 50, 60 miles an hour from the strong enough to bring down tree branches. friday looks quieter,
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sunny spells and many of us, then the next system brings rain back into the north—west of the uk. temperature wise, between 6—10dc. looking at the storm tomorrow, storm doris bringing a combination of severe gales, damaging and disruptive, and nasty snow in high parts of scotland. good morning. it is 10am. it's wednesday. i'm victoria derbyshire. the supreme court rules on whether british citizens can bring their spouses to the uk. the government won a partial victory, butjudges say the current rules don't look enough at the welfare of children involved. we'll bring you all the details. we will be finding out how a british man and terror suspect who was a former guantanamo bay detainee was allowed it leave the uk and carry out a suicide attack in iraq. also children who are victims of violence or sexual crimes are being made to feel like criminals when they report the crimes. that's
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according to the victims' commissioner, we'll speak to her and a teenager who says it was' waste of time reporting what happened to him to the police. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. the supreme court said that the government rules restricting the rules of british people to bring foreign spouses into the uk are compatible with human rights legislation in principle, but it added that the rules as they stand are defective because they don't make the interests of children affected by them a primary consideration. thejudges' also affected by them a primary consideration. the judges' also said that alternative sources of income should be taken into consideration. since 2012, people who are married toa since 2012, people who are married to a briton, but are from outside the european economic area, that's the european economic area, that's the eu, plus iceland, liechtenstein and norway have been barred from settling here unless their partner earns more than £18600 a year. we'll get more from our
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correspondent at the supreme court shortly. an extra £200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised by the government to help people facing starvation in south sudan and somalia. the additional funds will go towards providing food, water and emergency health care for more than two million people. ministers say the international response has been inadequate and are urging other countries tojoin the effort. britain's leadership will basically mean that we'll be saving lives, bringing vital assistance to people in desperate need, but also putting the call out to the international community to get them to step up, to galvanise their support so that we can have a strong international response to what quite frankly could bea response to what quite frankly could be a devastating humanitarian crisis. a convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape during a hospital visit. shaun walmsley, who is 28, was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug dealer in liverpool in 2014. he fled from outside aintree university hospital as he was getting into a car
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with prison officers. officers say he's dangerous and the public should not approach him. it's thought that a british man, who carried out a suicide bombing in iraq for the so—called islamic state terrorist group, had previously received compensation from the uk government after being arrested in pakistan by us forces and held in guantanamo bay. the man, whom is called abu—zakariya al—britani, but who was previously known as jamal al harith and before that ronald fiddler, detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a village south of mosul. in 2001, he was detained in the guantanamo bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect, but was freed in 2004 after lobbying from the british government. lloyds banking group has reported its highest annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance, ppi, provisions. pre—tax profits increased to £4.24 billion, a level last seen in 2006 before the financial crisis. the uk government's stake in lloyds has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank to full private ownership this year. a bull has been on the case in new
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york, in queen's. it gave officers the slip before it was tranquillized and captured in a back gardenment an animal sanctuary offered to re—home the bull, but sadly it died on the way on its way to the centre. let's go live to the supreme court, we have had the ruling that the minimum income requirement, that threshold of £18600, according to the supreme court judges' threshold of £18600, according to the supreme courtjudges' is compatible with human rights ledge slags, but the rules don't take into account children enough. fill us in dominic? we're in legal phd territory. it is a complicated ruling. in short, the claimants, the
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couples who said they were divided by this controversial ruling since 2012, in technical legal terms they have won their appeal, but broadly speaking from the supreme court said is that the home office is objective of using a minimum income system to control who comes into the uk is lawful. it does stand the test of time and they haven't suggested it should be knocked out by a fresh, a re—think by parliament. now, in short, what they've said is the problem with it is how this applies to children. they have said that immigration officers aren't effectively given any guidance about how they should take into account the rights of children. secondly, a broader question about how you assess what a couple's income s let me go back a step and explain what the rule is. in essence a couple who wa nt to the rule is. in essence a couple who want to settle in the uk where one partner is born outside of europe and the other is a british citizen ora and the other is a british citizen
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or a settled refugee, the partner here in the uk, they have to have a minimum income of £18600, that rises if they have children. and that income is effectively the sponsorship of the partner they want to bring in. irrespective of how much the other partner earnings. partner earns. thousands of claimants said it is a jolly unfair system, but the supreme court said it is not. it is legitimate even it does have a harsh effect. this is really complicated. i've got nicola burgess who has been involved with this case from the beginning. nicola, is this a win, a loss or a score draw? well, we consider it to bea score draw? well, we consider it to be a win. we're delighted by the judgement. thousands of people have been affected by this unfair rule and that includes british citizens and that includes british citizens and british children. jcwi have been campaigning against the rules since its inception almost five years ago. we've compiled a report which was referred to in the judgement which
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documented the impact on children who have been separated from a parent. and that detailed the emotional and psychological harm that's been caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. a rule that 41% of the uk's population couldn't satisfy. the court acknowledged that it caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue to do so. however, what's important is the judges' findings. that how has to be implemented by the government. so moving forward, they do have to take into account the best interests of children, that has to be the post—roomry attention. best interests of children, that has to be the post-roomry attention. but the whole thing could end up with no real change to many families. what the court has said the fact is in their words it does cause hardship to many families, but it is not incompatible with human rights law, and what they have said is go back, twea k and what they have said is go back, tweak the rules and in many cases, you're going to have thousands, or potentially of thousands of families, you tell me, who still won't come up above the minimum
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income threshold that the home office has set. in essence that feels like it's a government victory? no, i would feels like it's a government victory? no, iwould disagree. there isa victory? no, iwould disagree. there is a benefit to thousands of families including those with children. the government must implementa wider children. the government must implement a wider balance. it has to bea implement a wider balance. it has to be a fair balance between the rights of individuals and the public interest. am i right in saying some of the families that have been affected have been in bizarre circumstances so to speak where you have had a partner outside the uk who is earning more than the partner inside the uk? exactly. the unfair position before today's judgement was that the future earn power could not be ta ken was that the future earn power could not be taken into account. the court has now opened the door for the government to revisit that, so alternative sources of income can be taken into account. there is a long way to go on the story. nicola, thank you very much. what will happen now is the home office will have to consider its response and how it's going to tweak the rules to comply with what the supreme court has said. in essence that will mean probably a lot of these cases will
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end back up in immigration tribunals and back in the courts whilst they try and thrash out whether or not couples can settle legally here in the uk. thank you very much, dominic. here's some sport now withjess. the former england cricketer ryan sidebottom will retire at the end of next season after 20 years of first class cricket. he's taken over 1,000 wickets, won five county championships, and the world t20 with england. hejoins me now from our leeds studio. ryan, it is so good to have you with us. ryan, it is so good to have you with us. now, i know you've got a few matches to go. you've got a few matches to go. you've got a few matches to go. you've got a few matches to play, but what memories... just a few. what memories... just a few. what memories will you take away from the sport? lots of fond memories. i have been very fortunate throughout my career to play 20 years, to be able to hang my boots up and retire on my terms, obviously, i'm very happy and very proud, but i thinkjust lots of
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great memories, winning trophies, representing my country and my county, playing for nottinghamshire also, and making, you know, making numerous amounts of friends and playing against and with my heroes. those are the stand—out memories. very, lucky and very fortunate. bowling, it not easy on the body, but your numbers suggest that you're still competing as much as you ever did. how can you kept your body in shape? a little bit more rest. a very understanding coach. with me being a senior bowler i suppose he looks at me and i get get to use the stripes on my sleeve and get a few extra days off. ice baths, i do a lot of yoga. i try and keep myself as fit and as healthy as possible. everyone is so young. i think they're all out of nappies! they keep me young and fresh and young at heart. i'm sure you witnessed the game
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change a lot during your career and the england side probably changed a lot during your time and now we have joe root who is the new captain to lead the team forward, do you think he's the right man for the job? most definitely. look, joe root is a great player. he has achieved so much ina great player. he has achieved so much in a short space of time. this england team are very exciting. they're still very youthful and they're learning every day. they're getting better and better and very strong as a team and as a unit and i thinkjoe inherited a very good side. i think underjoe it will bring more of an exciting brand of cricket and the way he plays. he's very mature and knows the game inside out and very knowledgeable so i'm really looking forward toojoe's tenure as captain. i think it is exciting times ahead for england. now, i hear once you retire, you might go into property development which reminds me of another ex—sportsman, dion dublin, could we see you popping up on homes under
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the hammer? i might walk around with dion and hold his hand for a few episodes. i will do something different. i'm very excited about, you know, getting a sledgehammer, you know, getting a sledgehammer, you know, getting a sledgehammer, you know, develop property, something i really love. i like the textures a nd something i really love. i like the textures and furnishings and stuff like that. i love walking around shops and looking at things and trying to bring colour to the houses. so i'm, that's something away from the game. it is another love of mine and i suppose when i finish i will look back with fondness, but it is another story, another chapter. ryan, thank you for talking to us. that's all the sport for now, victoria. cheers jess, for now, victoria. cheersjess, cheers, ryan. thank you for coming on the programme. let's get more on the supreme court ruling on spouse visas. judges ruled the income threshold is fair, but ministers must do more to consider the children. sophie barrett—brown is here. she
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lobbied to change the legislation on the minimum income requirement. it looks like you have failed. how do you respond? well, it is hugely it is appointing for all the families involved and for everyone involved in the lobbying in the case, but there are some hopeful elements. we need to look at the judgement in detail. but there is acknowledgement that it detail. but there is acknowledgement thatitis detail. but there is acknowledgement that it is inadequate in how it deals with the rights of children and we need to see changes happening so the rules don't operate in a draconian way. the threshold stays? it stays, but in relation how they can deal with exceptionality, this is where there could be scope. we have got to look at the judgement in detail, but there is no doubt that it doesn't take adequate account of the interests of the child and their obligations to take account of the
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factors. the way they deal with thoseissuesis factors. the way they deal with those issues is inadequate. wayne, what's your reaction? the home office said to my wife the interests of the child has to be one of the primary considerations which it has to be. the home office ignored that requirement. if there is this should be refusing
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us. if there is this should be refusing us. not entirely a loss, children are the real losers. single—parent families. the main aim is that because family life should not be created at the taxpayers' expense. the government have mentioned that aim. when spouses are here, there is an attachment they are not allowed public funds. they have to pay in nhs surcharge, not taking out of the nhs, paying towards the nhs anyway every time we apply for a visa. every time parents come, there are children, they should be entitled to two parents. established point of eu
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law, child is entitled to two parents in direct contact. wayne circumnavigated the legislation. there is a route affecting british citizen so they are treated like an eu citizen. eu citizens do not have to meet the minimum threshold. they can live elsewhere in the eu, and return to the uk. but those rules have become increasingly prospective. many would argue is unlawful under eu law. since november 20 16, one cannot use that role if it is for the purpose of circumventing thejewish immigration rules. it may become much more difficult. you effectively moved to ireland, which is an eu
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member, with your wife, lived there for three months, worked there for three months, then came back to britain. we moved to ireland. i have lived and worked in the eu before, lived and worked in the eu before, lived in finland in 2004, working for a business. i have already lived in the eu. i should have been treated as an eu citizen anyway. i was trading across the eu. it helps your wife, originally from indonesia. final thought. the home office will have to tweak the rules. what will it mean for those waiting to find out whether the spouse could not? more delay and anxiety. don't see this being the end of the matter, the lobbying will continue. it is not about the minimum income, it is about how the rule is applied. the evidence required, making it an extraordinary hurdle to overcome.
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you cannot combine incomes, you cannot count the income of the spouse coming. these are features where we can seek to have some changes made. news coming into us. the bbc announcing it is to create a new channel for scotland, part of plan on seeing the biggest single investment in the corporation north of the borderfor 20 investment in the corporation north of the border for 20 years. investment in the corporation north of the borderfor 20 years. a new tv channel for scotland, which would see the biggest single investment in the corporation in scotland for more than two decades. twenty years on from her tragic death, a new exhibition is being opened in london to celebrate the life of princess diana, and some of her trend—setting fashions. we'll get a sneak peek of the show before it opens on friday. how was a british man, who was a former guantanamo bay detainee, allowed to leave the uk and carry out a suicide attack for the so called islamic state group? this is 50—year—old ronald fiddler.
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he's from manchester and is also known as abu—zakariya al—britani and jamal al—harith. he is believed to have carried out a suicide bombing in mosul over the weekend. this final photograph shows him grinning, reportedly on his way to carry out the attack. fiddler was born in manchester in 1966 to parents ofjamaican origin it's thought he converted to islam in the 1990s. he worked as a web designer before he travelled to pakistan for he what he claimed was a religious holiday, shortly after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. he was arrested in pakistan and transferred to guantanamo bay in 2002. fiddler was held there for two years before being repatriated to britain in 2004 and released without charge — reportedly winning compensation of £1 million from the government. ten years later, in april 2014,
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ronald fiddler travelled to turkey and then to syria to join the so called islamic state group as a fighter. his wife told the daily mirror newspaper that she and their five children went to syria try to persuade him to come back, but failed, and they ended up having to flee for their lives from is territory. with me is arthur snell who was head of the prevent programme — the initiative aimed at preventing violent extremism — he worked at the foreign office from 2008—2011 and in central london, we'rejoined by lord carlile, former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation and a cross bench peer. how was this man able to leave the country? a very good question, this
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isa country? a very good question, this is a high—profile individual, everybody knew about him, when he came back from grant and obey there was a lot of media coverage. there isa gap was a lot of media coverage. there is a gap in the story, the authorities lost track of him, at the point he decided to go to syria, nobody stopped in doing that. there are number of british citizens, residents, released from guantanamo bay. when they were back in the country, where they covertly monitored by security services? those details are not released. intelligence services and police have a duty to keep tabs on people who could be a threat to the public in one way or another. is did not exist when he returned from guantanamo bay. the organisation before it was al-qaeda, it involves, morphed. he could have been
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radicalised in the last three, four yea rs. radicalised in the last three, four years. it is open to question. looking back is to be. ambiguous someone looking back is to be. ambiguous someone would take a holiday after the 9/11 attacks in pakistan. a religious holiday. i am not in position tojudge religious holiday. i am not in position to judge whether that is correct. there is certainly ambiguity. the us and nancy had senior links to al-qaeda members. that has not been verified, could be possible. if there was evidence, he could have been put on trial after guantanamo bay? that has been one of the problems. the uk decided it did not agree with the guantanamo bay system. to get the standard of legal evidence to win the trial is much harder, than the intelligence information you would not want to reveal in open court. let's bring in lord carlile, former independent
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reviewer of terrorism, and crossbench peer. some british taxpayers will feel that he was paid over £1 million in compensation for alleged british complicity in torture at guantanamo bay. was that fair? first of all, i don't know. i don't believe anybody who knows something about the case knows how much he was paid. that was in the media. he was paid a substantial amount of money. he tried to bring in action in the united states, on national security grounds he was not able to make any progress, or maintain damages. in the united kingdom, the rules of disclosure from the defendant, the british government, and the claimant, are different. national security material would have had to been disclosed, according including to
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him, if the case was to go further. quite rightly, the government decided it was not going to disclose such material either to him or anyone else in a similar position. it did mean that the only alternative was to pay some money. that is why the money was paid, and we have to examine whether we can improve that system to make it more like the united states physicians so we are not face of the situation again. ronald fiddler could spend that money on anything he wanted to, including giving it to is. he could, once it is his money, he could spend it, subject to him spending it lawfully. if he spends it unlawfully, the relevant control authorities would have been able to detect that. it looks as if he went quiet for a considerable period. how surprised are you that he was able
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to leave britain, to travel to syria, via turkey? i am surprised he was able to leave britain. it shows that the lists of people, the red flagging people, who have terrorist connections, is not as robust as it should be. it has worked, generally speaking. this man slipped through the net. on the other side of the coin, one has to be thankful he was not going to be able to carry terrorist acts in the united kingdom, because it is very difficult to do that. at the time, the then home secretary, labour's david blunkett, said those released from guantanamo bay, british citizens, released early in the last decade, were not a security risk. he may not have been a security risk event for me could have been radicalised in recent years. you as
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an independent reviewer of terrorist legislation would have expected him to be monitored by security services? i would have expected him to be monitored on his return. what david blunkett said is what he believes, based on the advice he received at the time. a lot has happened since ronald fiddler returned to the united kingdom. what one would expect is for the police and other agencies to keep an eye on him, until such time as they thought he presented no danger. it looks as if he laid low for a considerable period, possibly because he re cove red period, possibly because he re cove re d a period, possibly because he recovered a lot of compensation, and was quietly working his way through it. reactivating his radical instincts and tendencies, leaving the country as he did. we cannot possibly expect realistically for everybody who returns to be followed for every minute of their time. we
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cannot incarcerate for every minute of their time. we cannot inca rce rate them for every minute of their time. we cannot incarcerate them unless they have committed during all offences, which have to be proved to a high criminal standard in front of a britishjury. criminal standard in front of a british jury. is criminal standard in front of a britishjury. is there criminal standard in front of a british jury. is there some sort of lesson here to the authorities in this country for so getting the evidence is a really good idea, because you can put it in front of a jury? clearly, as lord carlile has said, lots of people have been prevented from travelling to syria. this case is clearly a failure. a big challenge on the question of evidence. the standard of evidence in criminal court is very high, the way it should be. people do not want to live in a police state where eve ryo ne to live in a police state where everyone is followed around. equally in some cases, the any material you have that demonstrates what people a bru ptly have that demonstrates what people abruptly comes from intelligence which cannot be revealed in this
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context. thank you very much. this e—mailfrom this e—mail from rebecca, this e—mailfrom rebecca, who this e—mail from rebecca, who wants to share experience of the uk's immigration policy. in light of that ruling from the supreme court in the last 24 hours. my husband, from new zealand and i returned to the uk from germany. my husband had a job paying £70,000, and i was self—employed, 30 weeks pregnant. i did not meet the requirements for the threshold, we were only able to settle back into the uk through be used loophole. —— through the e used loophole. this directive does not favour a woman, possibly one
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planning on having children. it is incompatible with a woman's reality. i've never heard of a woman having a pay rise when having a child. we now live in madrid, we can live here without issue. i feel completely unwelcome in my home country. the home office needs to get back to basics, recognising the hardship it causes, and take into account the joint income into account. ever since her first public appearance in the 1980s, princess diana captivated the world's attention as a princess, a patron and a fashion icon. twenty years after her tragic death, there's a new exhibition opening in london to celebrate her life and her trend—setting fashions. today we're taking a sneak peek at the show before it opens on friday. our reporter kathryn stanczyszyn is at kensington palace for us, this special exhibition is marking
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20 years since the death of the princess of wales and it is doing it through fashion, marking from when she was a young debutant, a teenager into 1979 up to her death in 1997 and it features some stunning outfits. outfits like this one behind me. she was photographed in this in 1990 at leicester square at an official visit. just the detail on there, beautiful dresses there, that span all the way through five rooms of these dresses. she was one of the most photographed women in the world. long before social media and instant photographs, but people scrutinised her completely, she was, you know, very much watched and her journey through her life was marked through some of her fashion choices. some of the very famous dresses are, you know, amongst the ones that you remembered from your childhood. this
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one for instance, she wore to go to the white house and she danced with john travolta, a moment that's iconic. i'm here with the curator of this exhibition. there has been a huge amount of interest in this? yes, 2017 marks the 20th anniversary of the death of the princess of wales. we receive so many visitors here because it was herformer home. we wa nted here because it was herformer home. we wanted to celebrate her life with an exhibition. she didn't like to be known as a clothes horse actually, but she did understand the language of fashion very well and used it do thejob at of fashion very well and used it do the job at hand and certainly of fashion very well and used it do thejob at hand and certainly in her role as princess and ambassador for british fashion and for britain, we see some of her most regal gowns. staff say the phones have been ringing off the hook. tell us more about this dress. this is one that
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people will remember? this is a highlight of the exhibition. people think they know it from photographs, but photographs don't do itjustice. to see it in the flesh, you understand what a masterclass in design. it has this velvet bodice which should look chunky, but doesn't. it is a classical dress, but it was north nat she was wearing it to the white house in 1985, she didn't know she was going to be dancing with john didn't know she was going to be dancing withjohn travolta. it took a while for him to pluck up the courage to ask her, but they danced for half an hour, the skirt really twi rls for half an hour, the skirt really twirls up as she were spinning around the dance floor.” twirls up as she were spinning around the dance floor. i know that the designer said it felt like a moment that she did become a very elegant woman because before that, she had worn a lot of more girlish outfits? i think that's right. i think in the mid—80s you see a real step change as she moves away from
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the cluttered, frilly dresses and develops a sophisticated style of dressing. this next dress, i've got to move on to this. this is known as the elvis dress? it wasn't designed to resemble one of elvis' jumpsuits. catherine walker designed if for an official visit to hong kong in 1989. imean it official visit to hong kong in 1989. i mean it is in that royal tradition of dress making that catherine walker was so good at. but diana looked ray dent and walker said she wa nted looked ray dent and walker said she wanted diana to feel great in what she was wearing. this dress is covered in 20,000 pearls and the weight of it is really incredible. but diana looked fantastically radiant in it. some of her favourite designers, 11 designers represented here throughout the five rooms. it
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opens at 10am on friday morning and it will be here for the next two yea rs. it will be here for the next two years. cheers, catherine. thank you very much. still to come, are victims of crime being made to look like criminals? that's the view of the victim's commissioner baroness newlove. we'll be speaking to her on this programme shortly. and we'll find out more about the uk government's promise to help half a million children in south sudan and somalia, who are at risk we will be live in the capital. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. in the last hour, the supreme court has said that government rules restricting the right of british people to bring foreign spouses into the uk are compatible with human rights legislation in principle. but it added that the rules as they stand are defective because they don't make the interests of children affected thejudges ruled the judges ruled that the rules as they stand are defective and need to be changed because they don't take
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enough account of the welfare of children affected by them and don't ta ke children affected by them and don't take all sources of earnings into consideration when calculating income. despite the ruling in favour of the government, campaign, are hailing it as a victory. thousands of people have been affected by this unfair rule. jcwr have been campaigning against the rules since its inception almost five years ago. we've compiled a report which was referred to in the judgement which documented the impact on children who have been separated from a parent and that detailed the emotional and psychological harm that's been caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. a rule that 41% of the uk's population couldn't even satisfy. the court also acknowledged that it has caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue to do so. however, what's important is thejudges' findings. to do so. however, what's important is the judges' findings. that now has to be implemented by the government. so moving forward, they
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do have to take into account the best interests of children. that has to be the primary attention. an extra £200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised by the government to help people facing starvation in south sudan and somalia. the additional funds will go towards providing food, water and emergency healthca re for more than two million people. ministers say the international response has been inadequate and are urging other countries tojoin the effort. a convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape during a hospital visit. shaun walmsley, who is 28, was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug dealer in liverpool in 2014. he fled from outside aintree university hospital as he was getting into a car with prison officers. officers say he's dangerous and the public should not approach him. lloyds banking group has reported its highest annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance, ppi, provisions. pre—tax profits increased to £4.24 billion, a level last seen in 2006 before the financial crisis. the uk government's stake in lloyds
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has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank to full private ownership this year. that's a summary of the latest news. join me for bbc newsroom live at 11am. here's some sport withjess. manchester city manager pep guardiola says his side must score in the return leg of their champions league tie with monaco. city came from behind twice to beat the french league leaders 5—3 last night, but says they won't progress unless they counter monaco's attacking tactics. meanwhile on the other side of manchester, united boss jose mourinho, says he can't guarantee record goal scorer wayne rooney will be at the club next season. the striker has been linked with a move to the chinese super league. wing george north has recovered from a bruised thigh to start for wales in saturday's six nations match against scotland at murrayfield.
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ryan sidebottom will end his 20—year professional cricket career at the end of this coming season. the yorkshire fast bowler has won the county championship five times, and won the t20 world cup with england in 2010. the director—general of the bbc has announced that a new tv channel is to created in scotland to begin broadcasting in autumn 2018. the channel will have a budget of £30 million, equivalent to the amount spent on bbc four. the plans for the channel include a scottish news hour at 9pm. let's get more from our scotland correspondent lorna gordon. we can also speak to snp mp john nicolson, he sits on the culture, media and sport select committee and is a former scottish television presenter. right, lorna, give us the details. this news has taken everybody by surprise. it has been very, a very well kept secret. there will be a new channel on the digital spectrum
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that will broadcast scottish content. it'll have a budget of about £30 million a year, that's equivalent to bbc four. it will run from 7pm to midnight. they aim to launch it in august 2018. it will be a mixture of drama and entertainment, documentaries, and it will also have an integrated news hour that will run at 9pm. everybody is still digesting the news, but certainly, on social media, it is so far at least getting a very warm reception. 0k. reception. ok. you probably won't know this yet, lorna l it have a different drama and entertainment who what's going on on bbc one or bbc two? my understanding is that bbc one will stay the same as and what will happen se bbc scotland opts that currently happen on bbc two will switch to this new channel, but there will be new original content
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as well, if you look at that £30 million budget, around £19 million is new investment, £11 million has been used to create programming here in scotland and of course, there is a job knock—on as well. we're talking about 80 newjobs in the newsroom up here talking about 80 newjobs in the newsroom up here in scotland. people are welcoming that. saying it will bea are welcoming that. saying it will be a good chance to develop talent here in scotland and retain talent here in scotland and retain talent here in scotland and retain talent here in scotland and of course, there will be a number of otherjobs elsewhere in this building here in glasgow to do with the five hours of programming that with start, we think, in august 2018. john nicholson, how do you react to this, good morning? good morning. well i'm delighted whenever i hear there are going to be newjobs, that's an excellent thing and we welcome the new channel. we welcome the extra vement and of course, we welcome the extra £1 million for the gaelic language, but what lorna didn't mention there was hand and glove with this announcement is another
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announcement which is that the bbc is going to kill off the prospects ofa is going to kill off the prospects of a separate scotch 6pm news on bbc one which the bbc has been piloting over the last year and i'm disappointed about that because, of course, it's great to have a separate scottish nine o'clock news, but i think it is very important to have a six o'clock news on bbc one. why? well, you just have to watch the running order of the main bbc news and quite often the they will lead on an english story and there will be an english trap story... but you'll get scottish news at 9pm let me finish the question you asked me. so the main six o'clock news coming from london will have three english stories in its running order and that's great for the people of england, but it is not good for the people of scotland on their main channel. they want to see a mix of national, international, and uk news
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based on normal news merit. do you think this creation of a channel then is a sop because there isn't going to be a scottish six o'clock news on bbc one? well, i think obviously there will be some people who say that. i think it's great that there is a new channel and of course, what this has proved is that all those people who criticise bbc scotland journalism, who said that it was technically impossible for them to put together an hour long news programme have been proved to be entirely wrong. this shows that bbc scotland can do this. it has got the journalistic quality to deliver this product. i just think it should be on bbc one. what sort of awed ynss do you imagine there would be, mr nicholson, between 7pm and midnight, bbc scotland channel? well, there is the rub. inevitably a new channel always has difficulty launching and attracting viewers. we'll have to monitor this. ijust heard this
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announcement like you in the last half an hour. so, announcement like you in the last halfan hour. so, i'm not quite sure what audience figures the bbc anticipates, but obviously the channel is only going to be running for a few hours every evening. it will be a brand—new channel and it will be a brand—new channel and it will have to establish its identity and get consumer loyalty to it. this is another reason i think the scottish six was important. everybody knows where bbc one is and that's why it was vital, i think, that's why it was vital, i think, that the scottish six should replace the current six and i think the bbc i'm afraid has missed an opportunity to deliver for the people of scotland here on that specific issue. thank you very much. thank you, john nicholson, snp, mp and lorna gordon, our scotland correspondent. more on bbc news throughout the day on that story. victims of crimes being made to feel like criminals. that's what the victims' commissioner baroness newlowe says that's what the victims' commissioner baroness newlove says is happening to children, when they report violent and sexual crimes.
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she's warning that too often they're not taken seriously, accused of wasting police time or simply not believed. also here is javen miller who is 16. he reported an assault to police two years ago. tell us about the young people you spoke to and what experiences they we re spoke to and what experiences they were recounting? they were experiencing not feeling believed. they didn't get the right information when they were told. police didn't deliver anything back to them. some peoplejust police didn't deliver anything back to them. some people just felt that they were one young victim felt that while she was in this, you know, in an interview room it felt like, she was ina an interview room it felt like, she was in a padded cell. so, because of their age, they didn't feel they we re their age, they didn't feel they were believed and didn't have any confidence, but more importantly they weren't getting the right entitlements as set out in the victims' code. these were in some cases, some serious crimes that they we re cases, some serious crimes that they were alleging, weren't they? you have rape victims and sexual abuse
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victims. we're not talking, and i don't like the words lower level, but these were serious crimes and we have got to gain confidence and children need to have that confidence to come forward. do you accept that some progress has been made in recent years with the way the police particularly when it comes to sexual offences crimes, approach alleged victims? well, if you look at this review, it doesn't really sta nd you look at this review, it doesn't really stand out as if it is that. i think we're raising more awareness. it isa think we're raising more awareness. it is a small number of children. think we're raising more awareness. it is a small number of childrenm isa it is a small number of childrenm is a small number of children, but they are not the most easiest to have a conversation and i don't want to retraumatise them. what highlights in the review is the policies are not fit for purpose and the culture needs to shift from a lot more quicker, we have a landscape of child sexual abuse and we need to ensure that these victims feel that they are being recognised and being understood even though they are children. if you run your way home from
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school, attacked by an 18—year—old on the bus? what happened? i was on my way home, got approached by an 18—year—old, sorting me on the bus. my face was busted up, rushed to hospital. —— assaulting me. the police came to hospital, saying they would get back to me, they did, took mugshots. from them, they have never got back to me since. quite devastating, i thought i could trust them to help me. theyjust left it. taking it seriously, taking pictures of the injuries, you thought they would go away and investigate, but absolutely nothing? did you try to contact them? we contacted them, they did not come back, just left it. as if it was rubbish. a couple of months ago, picking up your
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little brother from school, effectively a gang pulled a knife on you? no. sorry, i have made a mistake, that are not happen. do you have any faith in the police? not really. i see it as, they are there to help you, when it comes to young people, they do not take us seriously. we are partly to blame, we do things to give them because to think and why should we help you? at the same time, we are all equal. they should help us. they don't really do that? there are loads of police officers that treat children with respect, investigating claims thoroughly. we cannot generalise? we cannot generalise, but the review showed they are not adhering to the
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victims code. most things that irritates people are communication. if you report the crime can you expect them to come back and help. if they're going to charge, not charge. they should never be left to think what is going on? even if the police contacted you, saying we cannot go anywhere with this, i am sorry, to let you know it will we are closing the file, that been something? the least i would have been informed, and no. pulling you do not that. if you found yourself in the same scenario again, assaulted on a bus? would you report it first they say you should.” don't think i would. i don't know what they are going to do. i have done it once, did not get back to
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me, why should i do it again? shaking your head?” me, why should i do it again? shaking your head? i am disgusted, some of the victims we have interviewed said the same. they would not come forward again. we're hearing continuously ever abused children. that is not what i wanted the review to do. my daughters went through the criminaljustice system, i wanted to see if it was any better ten yea rs i wanted to see if it was any better ten years later. i am disgusted, if children come to who are harmed, rates, sexually abused, these are serious crimes, they should be put there, giving entitlements. it is pa rt there, giving entitlements. it is part of their recovery. you cannot just leave them, feeling it is their fault. and have no confidence to come forward. thank you very much. the government has promised £200
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million for emergency aid for south sudan. it comes after a state of famine was declared in parts of the country, the first to be announced in any part of the world since 2011. according to the united nations and the south sudanese government, the famine is affecting around 100 thousand people. just underfive million — 40% of the population — are in urgent need of food. south sudan is the world's newest country — it gained independence from sudan six years ago, but hopes of prosperity have been shattered by three years of civil war and economic collapse. lily, the introduction makes clear how serious this is. give our audience an insight into the kind of people you are trying to help? we
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have unicef colleagues of mine, working on warning for months that the food and security situation in south sudan and surrounding countries has become severe. families with children not knowing where the next meal is coming from. having to exist on whatever they can come across. many children severely malnourished. we are reaching some of those children with therapeutic food. we're doing that with thousands of children. we have now reached a severe situation, officially there is famine, and areas so affected by the conflict, so insecure, we can't even reach them. when you say officially there is famine, what criteria needs to be met? sounds like a brutal question, but for our audience, what criteria foran
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but for our audience, what criteria for an official famine? the criteria means people are starving to death. high—level malnutrition in infants, we expect them to die from starvation. goes beyond in security and malnutrition. we know that is in one state in south sudan, a disaster for that state, because we cannot reach the children at the moment. what is even more worrying, we think the situation could easily spread if we're not able to act quickly emergency humanitarian health. across the rest of the south sudan, somalia, countries like yemen and nigeria, affected by conflict, there are1.5 million nigeria, affected by conflict, there are 1.5 million children who could be in that situation very soon. places that do not make the headlines, we don't hear about them very often. we want the eyes of the world to focus on these areas, and realise just how much of an emergency these children are facing. we can talk to emma in south sudan,
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on the ground. she works for oxfam. can you hear me? telus about the work you are trying to do. we have teams in the affected areas, providing nutrition, and also water. this before affected populations. —— this is for. not only famine, but also cholera. i travelled myself in canute, for about five hours to reach the islands, where is the women and children were, with my team. during the journey and there was a woman we met, living in the
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swamp, did not have a cooking pot. i'm sorry, the line is breaking up. let me bring injames. telus about the security situation in south sudan? the war broke out in december 20 13th of peace sudan? the war broke out in december 2013th of peace deal sudan? the war broke out in december 20 13th of peace deal efforts to stop it, but the fighting continues. what is important in the context, this is a man—made famine, created by the actions of the political leadership in south sudan. the area particularly affected, where famine has been declared, it has been held by rebels in several points, government troops overrunning it from the people fleeing into the swamps. desperately running for their lives. when they get to the swamps, which they see as a place of safety, nothing to read. emma had gone on this canute in the middle of nowhere, where people have nothing.
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even a couple of years ago, this was the case, i talked to people told of relatives dying. this scale has got bigger and bigger. people are dying ona bigger and bigger. people are dying on a scale that the united nations and other bodies considered as a famine. there has been denial of access for humanitarian workers. the government say this is a rebel controlled area, people supporting the rebels, ui will not allow to go into that area. the president, responding to the announcement promised unfettered access to aid workers to get help. that is one of the keys in resolving the situation, if the promises kept. lily, from unicef uk, the british government pledging £200 million, that is something. also high profile celebrities trying to get the message across to rich western countries to donate money? that is
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entirely right. these parts of the world that often do not make the headlines, people are not aware of what is going on, we want to shine a light on them. fantastic the uk government is doing what it can. very underfunded areas of the world, not attracting donations, we would like that to change. celebrity ambassadors helps us to do that. the uk government is showing great leadership by pledging money to this crisis. it will save thousands of very innocent lives. this is a man—made conflict. whilst that is a tragedy, it also means we can do something about it. not hopeless, we can stop the crisis. what about stopping the fighting? the key political issue underpinning this. one of the problems, this is an incredibly complicated conflict. the peace deal was signed in 2015, a government of national unity last year, there were clashes in the
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capitals. the rebel leader fleeing into exile. since then lots of other rebel groups. is it about territory, land? started about politics, infighting between political leaders. in south sudan political leaders. in south sudan political leaders have ethnic power bases. there is an ethnic dimensional. there is an ethnic dimensional. there has been talk about genocide, ethnic cleansing. power. at this point, revenge. people have seen uncles, brothers, cousins, husbands and wives killed. they want to get revenge. very complicated problems to resolve. ultimately only be south sudan people can resolve them. the international community, and the response seems confused. a peace deal they are trying to continue, but most people think it has collapsed. seems like a lack of
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ideas to resolve the underlying problems leading to the famine, people starving. thank you very much. thanks for coming on the programme. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. blustery day, showers for scotland. rain continuing to affect wales for the day. greater manchester, the north west midlands. patches of rain coming in going, quite cool in the north, if you factor in the strength of the winds. overnight doris and rapidly intensifying, nasty area of
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low pressure, that will bring several weather impacts. a wind warning in force. a swathe of the midlands, and east anglia. gusts of wind reaching 70, 80 miles an hour. damaging disruptive gusts of wind, travel likely to be affected. different problems in the north over southern scotland. 30 centimetres of snow. that is likely to cause problems, snow down to low levels in the central belt. this is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11. the supreme court upholds
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income rules which stop thousands of british citizens bringing their foreign spouse to the uk, but the judges criticise the earnings threshold. questions are asked about how a former guantanamo bay detainee from manchester was able to carry out a suicide bombing in iraq for the islamic state group. a convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape during a hospital visit in liverpool. the bbc tv announces a new digital channel for scotland. also, the gap between the sexes closes, as people are living longer. researchers say that, by 2030, both men and women in the uk can expect to live into their eighties, while women in south korea are likely to break the 90 barrier.
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