it re—imposes 90 days of travel restrictions on six muslim—majority nations. but the new order omits iraq, and removes an indefinite ban on syrian refugees. the us military has begun deploying a controversial missile defence system in south korea. it comes a day after north korea provoked international condemnation by firing four missiles towards japan. the thaad system has been repeatedly condemned by china. the chinese government has claimed it will make the skies blue again, by tackling the country's air pollution crisis. authorities want to reduce reliance on coal and invest billions in renewable energy, and they are targeting emissions from cars, which add to the smog over major cities, by encouraging greener vehicles. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk,

with me, zeinab badawi. the president of the democratic republic of congo, joseph kabila, has been in powerfor 16 years, and should have stood down at elections that were due last november. still no elections are in sight and opposition leaders are growing increasingly frustrated. my guest today is opposition politician moise katumbi. is effectively in exile in europe, so is effectively in exile in europe, so what can he achieve that this distance? —— at this distance. and has the opposition been outmanoeuvred by president kabila? moise katumbi, welcome to hardtalk.

thank you. december the 31st last year, a deal was hammered out under the auspices of a group of powerful catholic bishops in the drc. does that present a way forward? there should be a transitional administration, pending elections to be held in 2018, joseph kabila won't stand. yes, we know that deal, which the argument with the congolese government and the opposition, supposed to serve the country. so far the agreement is dead. president joseph kabila doesn't want, really, to make the application of the agreement. so really, everything is stuck at the moment. the court is that group of catholic bishops. at oui’ that group of catholic bishops. at our understanding is that the son of the late 0pposition leader, who died

in february, should be the prime minister in that transitional administration. is that something that the opposition will accept, including new? i agree for him to become the prime minister, and all the opposition, the majority agree for felix, and to replace his father as president of the community following the election. but no word yet from joseph kabila on whether he would accept that? no, joseph kabila is playing tactics at the moment. the agreement is very clear. there are some in the opposition, it is not up to even them. it is not up to presidentjoseph kabila. not up to even them. it is not up to president joseph kabila. you know, with the death of tshisekedi early in february, this veteran 0pposition leader, really respected by so many people, politicians and ordinary

folk in the drc, and when he died, a human rights advocate said with the death of tshisekedi, the opposition has lost its unifying force, and could shatter. he has got a point, hasn't he? no, i don't think so. because president tshisekedi really was the first 0pposition leader in oui’ was the first 0pposition leader in our country, and ourselves, we need to ta ke our country, and ourselves, we need to take care about what president tshisekedi left. at the moment the opposition is, there is a big unity in the opposition, and we are going to do all our best to change the face of our country. we need a strong opposition, not fighting opposition. a strong opposition, though? is felix tshisekedi really the man to fill his father's shoes asa the man to fill his father's shoes as a possible prime minister in a transitional administration? he has got no ministerial experience. people talk about him being rather naive. no, it is not true. you know,

first, felix tshisekedi was not chosen by the father. by different party politics, . .. chosen by the father. by different party politics,... butjust because he has the etienne tshisekedi name. it is not because of the etienne tshisekedi name. etienne tshisekedi had a lot of children, only felix was interested in doing the politics, and is somebody... i went asa politics, and is somebody... i went as a governor, i had never been in politics, and felix was in politics a long time in the opposition with his father. i think he is going to be the prime minister. why president joseph kabila doesn't want felix, because he is not somebody of good word. so you mentioned when you are governor, that is when you were governor, that is when you were governor of the province from 2007 to 2015. we will come to that in a moment. here you are i think this should happen or that should happen in the drc, but can you have any influence when you are in europe?

you are currently based in brussels, effectively in exile. yes, you know, my exile... i am in exile, and still waiting for the country, waiting also on the unity of the opposition. and going all over the world, i travel almost every day, i am in the plane, to go and fight my country. to talk to the people, today the killing is too much in my country. there is really a lot of killing going on in the east of the congo. there is no rule of law in my country at the moment. that is between the various militia groups and forces opposed to the president, and forces opposed to the president, and so on, in the east of the country? no, i think and so on, in the east of the country? no, ithink the and so on, in the east of the country? no, i think the killing is coming from the government soldiers at the moment. killing innocent girls, that is why we need the international investigation. but here you are, though, saying all these things should happen and you

have been chosen as the presidential candidate in elections whenever they ta ke candidate in elections whenever they take place by g7, which is a group of seven opposition parties, and in addition to that more parties have rallied behind you in the opposition, something like 20 are backing you. but you are still out of the country. so really, shouldn't you be there? why aren't you going back to the drc? i want to go back as quick as possible, to go back to my country. the time i wanted to come back, they took me to court began in my country, to say i have stolen something. which is ridiculous. it is a plot against a candidate. joseph kabila is scared for my return to the congo, because he knows it is his end and i am a candidate, iam he knows it is his end and i am a candidate, i am going to go back as soon as possible. you have been saying that for a while. and of course, you are talking thereabout your supporters, saying there was a

trumped up charge of your selling a property illegally in the capital of katanga, and you were sentenced to 36 months in prison, and you say thatis 36 months in prison, and you say that is not the case, it is just a fa ke that is not the case, it is just a fake charge. but there are other things being said about you, that you were plotting againstjoseph kabila, that you hired mercenaries, and isn't there an investigation going on at the moment into what you might have done? you know, all those are fake stories. because president joseph kabila is scared. i am the only onejoseph joseph kabila is scared. i am the only one joseph kabila joseph kabila is scared. i am the only onejoseph kabila is getting today. he doesn't want me to return backin today. he doesn't want me to return back in the congo, because i did a really good job, and why the other political parties chose me as their candidate? because i did something wonderful when i was governor. they changed the economy of the country and the economy of the province. the timei and the economy of the province. the time i became governor, the province of katanga had only $180 million per

annum. ileft of katanga had only $180 million per annum. i left over $4 billion. so really, at the moment, when i left, before i resigned, the budget was $9 billion. today the budget is not more than $3 billion per annum. so you point to these achievements, and there are independent observers who say that you did accomplish a great deal when you were governor of katanga, but can you translate that kind of popularity on a nationwide basis? because you don't make that many appearances in the capital, you didn't when you were in the drc. how goodis didn't when you were in the drc. how good is your ling gala, by the way? my good is your ling gala, by the way? my lingala is quite good so far. good is your ling gala, by the way? my lingala is quite good so fanm is not that great, though?|j my lingala is quite good so fanm is not that great, though? i speak very flu e nt is not that great, though? i speak very fluent lingala, very fluent lingala i speak. the point i am

making is that that is the language of the north—west and your power basesin of the north—west and your power bases in the south—east. do you have nationwide appeal? the nationwide appeal, i am all over all of the provinces and if you go in the different provinces where i was not asa different provinces where i was not as a governor, people need me. because they saw what i did in the katanga province, the changes which did my province, and really, ithink ifi did my province, and really, ithink if i didn't have a good result as governor, i would if i didn't have a good result as governor, iwould not if i didn't have a good result as governor, i would not be supposed to stand. people want me coming in because today people are suffering, people are dying. the economy is a big disaster today. no security in the country. sure, that is the case, but can you do all of that without a party? you don't have a party. but can you do all of that without a party? you don't have a partylj wa nt to party? you don't have a partylj want to be independent because i wa nt to want to be independent because i want to unify everyone. even the people from the majority, the time i am going to win the election, they have to work with me, the opposition, everyone. we needed to make a country our great country.

but you need a party for that, don't you? what but you need a party for that, don't you ? what is but you need a party for that, don't you? what is your base? i know that you? what is your base? i know that you own a very popular football club, and there is talk of you perhaps opening up a new satellite tv station, but what is your base? you know, my base is firstly the people of the congo. all the congolese people, they don't belong to party politics. there are some people which, they don't know what is party politics, and i've got a lot of party politics supporting me. soi lot of party politics supporting me. so i know longer belong to one party politics. i want to belong to the congolese people. having said that, you were a member until september 2015 of the ruling party, the people's party for democracy, the party ofjoseph kabila, is that in the elections in 2006 as a deputy in the elections in 2006 as a deputy in the national parliament, you won that election. so you are associated with the very person you now say you

are opposing. yes, you see, i was with presidentjoseph kabila. if presidentjoseph kabila. .. the with presidentjoseph kabila. if presidentjoseph kabila... the time i went to see him in 2014, and explained to him the respect the constitution, if presidentjoseph kabila respected the constitution, i would not be supposed to leave because at the moment he doesn't wa nt to because at the moment he doesn't want to organise the election. presidentjoseph kabila is betraying the people of congo. so i didn't wa nt to the people of congo. so i didn't want to betray the people of congo. that is why i went to see him, and explained to him, said, mr president, you have two terms. we need to respect the need for our country to have more investors to come in our country, and people to give us their trust. and they need to have a good partnership, also, with the international community, and the congolese people. you know how many people died before we had our first election? 0ver how many people died before we had our first election? over 3 how many people died before we had ourfirst election? over 3 million people. so i think it is a sad story. presidentjoseph kabila is supposed to leave by a big door. now

i don't know if he is going to leave bya i don't know if he is going to leave by a small window. but the point making here is that there is a lot of talk in the drc other rich and powerful elites. and really, one could ask you whether you are worried about the perception that you are a member of that rich and powerful elite. because, for example, you co—founded and ck, the mining company for katanga, controlled by your wife karen. so like you concerned that people might think moise katumbi is another rich and powerful politician?” think moise katumbi is another rich and powerful politician? i think what is making a difference, my father was a businessman. i had a business before i entered politics. when the party of president kabila asked me tojoin when the party of president kabila asked me to join them when the party of president kabila asked me tojoin them i when the party of president kabila asked me to join them i was a businessman. i had all my things, andi businessman. i had all my things, and i sold mck to a french company. it was a company which was doing

well. i started a company when i was very young. he entered in business when i was 18 years old. i worked in a different country, i was in zambia, and also emerald mining, still my son is running that business. so i sold all those things. a transport company, and i don't refuse my past. president trump comes from a business background, and presidents in africa come from also a business family. no, buti come from also a business family. no, but i am just putting it to you that, for example, i will give you a quote from a human rights group, global witness, which said in 2006, admittedly before you became governor of katanga, that the profits of mining in katanga are serving to line the pockets of a small but powerful elite, politicians and businessmen who are exploiting the local population and subverting natural riches for their own private ends. so that is the

kind of thing that is being said. the report is from before i became governor. i don't have any money. make company is moving equipment, not mining. but for the mining business. and for transport which since 1974, it was a family business. it is something which i had before and it is sad for me. i didn't want to join politics. i wa nted didn't want to join politics. i wanted to continue with business. i worked and it changed things. when i went to the province, i went with my money, i went with my knowledge as a businessman. supposed to defend first my family, myself and other business community which i did in the province, became the first and best province in all of congo.

the province, became the first and best province in all of congolj the province, became the first and best province in all of congo. i was just giving you the things that were said at about rich and powerful business people in the prc. he said that within 2006 but kofi anand, former secretary general of the un, he isa former secretary general of the un, he is a member of the africa progress panel and he described the world of mining in the drc is a world of mining in the drc is a world in which vast fortunes seem to be cumulated at the expense of the people. again, do you feel uncomfortable a bit that you are involved one way or another, transportation or whatever, in the mining business? it is not the governor of the province that gives the licence. is the minister. i was not involved. at the time i was in business, i was not a politician. my father was not a politician. i come from a family which worked and the

people appreciated to have a governor. i came into politics to help the people. i never got my salary in politics. i was giving to all the poor people the contribution about the social programme in my province. all right. i have to put to you a strong criticism. from the paris—based human rights group. he alleges that patronage was rife during the two b's government. he didn't run the province like a statesman but rather like the head ofa statesman but rather like the head of a household. —— moise katumbi. why president kabila doesn't want me

to go back because the people want me to go back. the time i became governor, i was in a maize meal. it was a $45. when i was a governor, i went in agriculture, a did all my best to do road, everything, school, from $45 amazed went up. since a left, and maize shot up to $50 per bag. now we have a police guy who is getting $60. how can you manage to buy at bag? you need minimum of two bags. when i was governor, maybe he didn't follow. you can go onto youtube to follow in paris, you can ask the people in katanga. i did a lot of road, a did a lot of school andi lot of road, a did a lot of school

and i think in all my country, eve ryo ne and i think in all my country, everyone was asking for moise katumbi to go in all the province to stay. they asked resident kabila for me to go in each province six months and showed the governors how to do things in the province. so you say that's the reason why president kabila doesn't want you back in the country. you left last year. you said yourself that you are essentially forced into exile. there we re essentially forced into exile. there were also reports in the press that you might have been poisoned one way or another, that your health had been compromised. you up to this fight? at the moment fine. in my country, i don't know which place i was poisoned. what kind of poison? i can't talk about detail on the tv. i talked about it in the report from my doctors, everything. i went under

treatment but because i don't know the guy, i can't tell you who poisoned me. iforgot about the guy, i can't tell you who poisoned me. i forgot about this because i suppose to already passed away. at the moment what is important for me is my country, is to serve that country and to remove all the suffering from the people of congo. and your health is not being compromised, you are fit enough for this fight? i was playing football two days ago. with your football team. the point i am making here is the director of the congo research group at new york university, he says the two biggest figures were etienne tshisekedi and moise katumbi. now etienne tshisekedi is dead and moise katumbi is in exile. that really leaves the opposition weekend. president kabila has

outmanoeuvred you.” weekend. president kabila has outmanoeuvred you. i was in exile. i think i was number one candidate in exile. because of myjob which i did in my country, they tried to accuse me and insult me every day on the tv so they can finish me politically which they can't do because what i did for my brother's congolese, i did for my brother's congolese, i did a greatjob. i want to go back. finish with my report or i will go back and i announced myself i will go back with the body of etienne tshisekedi. you will go back with his body? you mentioned cenco. they are conducting an investigation into whatever charges the government is bringing against you. will you abide

by their verdict, whatever it is? ryan bowen to agree. moise katumbi is not a man looking for a job. —— yes, iam is not a man looking for a job. —— yes, i am going to agree. when there was this agreement, there was first some recommendation for the people which was one of the condition for me to go back from exile. before they signed the agreement i said no, i don't want to stop the country because president kabila doesn't wa nt because president kabila doesn't want me to go back. what is important for me is first of the country. let's sign the agreement, i love my country, i want this agreement to go and president kabila doesn't stop up till now. he is making tactics to go to the referendum. but that is why he is out manoeuvring you. that's what i'm saying. when will you go back? you said you might go back with the body of etienne tshisekedi. 0ne said you might go back with the body of etienne tshisekedi. one month? two months? three months?”

of etienne tshisekedi. one month? two months? three months? i gave a condition. i said to moise katumbi ——i said moise katumbi to be supposed to take my case. —— cenco. aam waiting supposed to take my case. —— cenco. a am waiting for that report as quick as possible. i am going to go back because i am innocent. the people killing in congo and the people killing in congo and the people stealing in congo, they are supposed to be injail. two people stealing in congo, they are supposed to be in jail. two thirds of the 80 million population in the drc live in poverty. 5.4 million have died when the war started in the 1990s. you mentioned the continuing violence. he said back in march 2013 that you had no political ambitions. at the end of my term i will return as the manager of a football club. i will return from my job. what changed your mind?”

football club. i will return from my job. what changed your mind? i was thinking president kabila was supposed to leave power to respect his second term. he didn't respect it and his second term. he didn't respect itandi his second term. he didn't respect it and i after dwight. the majority of the people came to see me. ——i ask why. i resigned as a governor so president kabila wanted to continue to change because to chuxi.” president kabila wanted to continue to change because to chuxi. i said for that... that's why you wanted to go back? to serve my people. in go back? to serve my people. in for that... that's why you wanted to go back? to serve my people. in 20 seconds, can you do it for the people? do you have the vision? if they didn't have programme, i wasn't supposed to be here to talk about my country. —— ifi supposed to be here to talk about my country. —— if i didn't. moise katumbi, thank you for coming on

hardtalk. hello, good morning. the start of the week brought a mixture of sunshine and showers, but we were very close to some severe and potentially damaging weather. just across the way, in brittany, a gust approaching 120 mph. that area of low pressure brought us some rain in the south—west and the channel islands, and is running away across europe rapidly now, to bring more some snow to the alps, take some wetter weather across italy and to the adriatic, potentially bringing some damaging mistral winds to south—east france, and gusty winds into sardinia and corsica. here at home, things are very much quiter. the winds quite light, actually, and a lot of the showers that we had earlier on are beginning to fade away. so we will see clearer skies developing, and it will be turning into quite a chilly night.

ground frost, i think, in many places, and in the countryside there may be a pinch of air frost as well. so a chilly start to tuesday morning, but a dry and bright one for the most part. the showers along those north sea coasts tending to pull away. and instead we look to the west to see increasing amounts of cloud coming our way, and eventually some outbreaks of rain and drizzle, too. for most of the day, mainland scotland will be dry, but we will keep some showers going across the northern isles, towards lerwick, shetland in particular. and we will see the cloud increasing in scotland, ahead of this rain that arrives in northern ireland through the afternoon. it is mostly light and patchy. ahead of it, still dry across many central, northern and eastern parts of england. a decent enough day, the sunshine turning increasingly hazy as the cloud increases. and we will see some patchy rain coming into wales and the south—west of england as well. no great amounts during daylight hours. through the evening, the rain turns a bit heavier, and briefly we could see a bit of snow in the scottish mountains. but the rain across northern parts of the country doesn't last too long.

it is further south across england and wales where the rain grinds to a halt a bit overnight. that wil keep the temperatures up, leading to some misty weather and some hill fog. clearer skies to the north, and it will be turning a touch chilly. some stronger winds in the far north—west of scotland, perhaps, and a milder wind blowing across southern parts of england and wales, where we are more likely to keep some drizzly rain going through the day. a lot of cloud across much of wales, south midlands, southern england. so a bit of a damp and dreary sort of day, but decent temperatures. further north, though, it will be sunnier, and watch out for some heavy showers in the north—west later in the day in particular. that weather front does eventually take that rain and drizzle away from southernmost parts of england, and then it comes back in again from off the atlantic towards the south—west of england, so here we will see some rain arriving on thursday. brighter day for many other areas.

a little sunshine, a few blustery old showers across northern parts of scotland. decent temperatures, and staying mild and cloudy on friday. hello you're watching bbc world news. i'm adnan nawaz. our top story this hour: president trump's latest temporary travel ban is condemned by leading democrats who say it'll make the united states less safe. the trump administration described the new executive order on travellers from six mainly muslim countries, as a vital measure to protect us national security. welcome to the programme. our other main stories this hour: a controversial us defence system is deployed in south korea, a day after north korea conducted its latest missile tests. china targets traffic pollution as it promises to make the skies blue again but is it losing the battle against the smog? i'm sally bundock. in business: va va voom — the press are at the geneva motor show