tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News March 7, 2017 9:00am-11:01am GMT
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hello, it's tuesday, it's 9 o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme this morning, these parents of a seven month old severely ill baby tell us why they're urging the courts not to grant doctors the rights to switch off his life support machine. 7 month old charlie is receiving 24—hour treatment for a genetic condition so rare he's believed to be only the 16th person in the world with it. we'll bring you the full heart—breaking story shortly. also on the programme, labour leaderjeremy corbyn tells this programme theresa may's government has an issue with disabilities — he's calling on them to scrap plans to limit access to a key disability benefit. they seem to have an issue over disabilities, because last year they did try to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion. ijust think they independence payments by £4 billion. i just think they need to think about the kind of society we are, the way we support people. we'll bring you that full exclusive interview around 9:30 this morning. and how facebook called the police on the bbc
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after we revealed potential flaws in their moderation system. hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am. throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories — and a little later in the programme we'll hear from an army widow who says she had 5 miscarriages after her husband unknowingly attacked her in his sleep as a result of his post—traumatic stress disorder. she's now suing the ministry of defence. we'll talk to her after 10am. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today, the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has accused theresa may's government of having an issue with people with disabilities. corbyn has previously claimed that the prime minister is turning the conservatives back into the nasty party by quietly announcing a change to rules on disability benefits. let's get more on this from our political guru norman smith.
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what is at issue? i think we learned today from your interview with jeremy corbyn that he wants to make disability benefits are key battle ground in the weeks ahead, over this issue of personal independence payments. two courts ruled recently that many, many more people, around 160,000 more, should be able to get this disability benefit. these are people at the moment is predominantly with mental health issues, people with dementia etc, they would be eligible. the government has insisted, no way. this is not what the benefit is meant for and it would come with a huge price tag, they say it would cost almost £4 billion. interesting, mr corbyn insisted today that as a society we have defined that money, but going one step forward and
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accusing the tories of having a problem with disabled people. have a lesson. they seem to have an issue over disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion, they then reverse that kurt asked iain duncan smith resigned a few days later, then they agreed to carry on paying it. there is a deficit built into the budget already because of that. they see this as a further opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. i think they need to think about the kind of society we are, the way we support people. that was the issue of pip. we also talked about a snap general election, former conservative leader william hague says that theresa may should effectively call one and change the legislation. unlikely, ithink? yes and no, theresa may has made it very clear repeatedly that she does not
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wa nt to clear repeatedly that she does not want to hold an early general election and she thinks that it would be wrong now to change her mind. whatever the electoral advantages. but an awful lot of tories would think mr hague has a point, here we are going into the brexit negotiations, possible revolts in the commons, one way that mrs may could strengthen her hand would be to go for an early election while labour are at sixes and sevens. in the interview you did with jeremy corbyn sevens. in the interview you did withjeremy corbyn he sounded a little knocked, almost riled when you kept pressing him, six times, i think i counted, about would he be in favour think i counted, about would he be infavourofan think i counted, about would he be in favour of an early general election. let's have a listen. are you telling me you are confident you would win a general election? we will take our case to the country. we are very confident of the support we can get in order to win an election, to take our case to the
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british people. don't underestimate the support there is for the labour party and the anger out there at the levels of inequality and injustice. we will expose all of that, that is why the case is very, very strong. you have asked me the question many, many times. how many times do i have to tell you, we are taking our case to tell you, we are taking our case to win because i believe we can. sounding a bit sharp, maybe not surprising in the wake of the copeland by—election defeat. as for the prospects of a snap general election, some in the tory party think notjust election, some in the tory party think not just wouldn't strengthen the position of mrs may here but also strengthen her hand in terms of the brexit negotiations. i would class it as unlikely but not rule it out. thank you, norman. we will have the full interview with jeremy corbyn at just after 9:30am the full interview with jeremy corbyn atjust after 9:30am and we will hear from the former work and pensions secretary stephen crabb on theissue pensions secretary stephen crabb on the issue of pips. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news.
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facebook‘s procedures for vetting content on its pages have been strongly criticised after a bbc investigation found it was failing to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children. the chair of the commons media committee damian collins has said it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness of facebook‘s systems. 0ur correspondent angus crawford reports. the rules are simple. facebook says it removes nudity or sexually suggestive content. but our investigation last year found paedophiles using secret groups to swap obscene images of children. we informed the police, and this man was sent to prison forfour years. facebook told us it had improved its systems, so we put that to the test. but we still found sexualised pictures of children, and obscene comments from men. we reported 100 posts that we felt broke facebook‘s own guidelines. only 18 were taken down. 82 images stayed up. they didn't breach facebook‘s community standards. i find it very disturbing.
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i find that content unacceptable. i'm concerned that that's been brought to facebook‘s attention, and some of those images have not been dealt with and addressed. and this report, this investigation, it casts grave doubt on the effectiveness of the measures that facebook has in place. facebook asked us to send them examples of what we had reported, so we did. the company then reported us to the police. facebook issued a statement saying... but, even now, groups with inappropriate images and comments about children remain on facebook. but, even now, groups with inappropriate images and comments about children remain on facebook. questions about how the company moderates content won't go away. angus crawford, bbc news.
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a british woman has been rescued by police officers in australia after allegedly being held against her will for more than two months. a 22—year—old man from queensland has been charged with several counts of rape and assault after she was found with injuries during a routine traffic check. downing street has rejected a call from the former conservative leader, lord hague, to call a snap general election. writing in the daily telegraph, he says theresa may needs a decisive commons majority to head off backbench rebellions. mrs may has repeatedly ruled out going to the country before the next election in 2020. the government is facing the prospect of another defeat in the house of lords over the process of leaving the eu today. peers are to vote on an amendment to the brexit bill which calls for parliament to be given a meaningful vote on a final deal. the prime minister has said parliament will have a vote — but only on a take it or leave it basis. last week, the upper house voted to guarantee the rights of eu
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nationals already living in the uk. a couple are asking the high court to let them take their seven—month—old son to the usa for potentially life—saving treatment as they began a battle against great 0rmond street hospital. chris gard and connie yates want to take their son charlie to america for pioneering treatment. doctors at great 0rmond street have applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not in his best interest. a judge will rule on the case at a hearing next month. and charlie's parents will be speaking to victoria here on this programme injust a few minutes' time. senior members of donald trump's administration have defended a new executive order that puts a ban on people from six mainly muslim countries travelling to the us. the revised travel ban is due to come into effect on the 16th of march. iraq has been removed from the previous list. the secretary of state, rex tillerson, said the new order signed by the us president was designed to keep out terrorists. the malaysian prime minister has accused north korea
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of holding his citizens hostage after pyongyang banned malaysians from leaving the country. in a tit—for—tat response, malaysia has imposed similar restrictions on north korean visitors. the measures are an escalation in tensions sparked by the murder of the north korean leader's half—brother in kuala lumpur. wayne rooney is backing a campaign encouraging boys to open up about their emotions. it comes after new figures from the charity childline show that boys are six times less likely to seek help for suicidal feelings than girls. but national figures show the number of suicides among boys is much higher than it is for girls. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9:30am. we have kanye ‘s and chris cloete here, thank you for coming in. —— we
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have connie and chris here. they will talk about their legal battle with great 0rmond street hospital. their seven—month—old baby is being treated on doctors there believe his life—support machine should be switched off, you as parents totally disagree? why are you speaking out? to try to raise money for treatment in america. thank you, we will speak to you later. let's get some sport from hugh woozencroft. hugh, team sky have urged their cyclists to praise boss dave brailsford according to reports in this morning's papers. why? there is so much scrutiny on tea m why? there is so much scrutiny on team sky, it is not going away in a hurry. last week we spoke about a mystery package delivered to sir bradley wiggins, a lack of evidence about what it contained, the chair of the select committee damian cullen said the credibility of team sky and british cycling is in tatters. the team was next to
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explain excessive quantities of another drug, users of which include prevention of asthma attacks. dave b ra ilsfo rd prevention of asthma attacks. dave brailsford said the team medic gave him it after surgery. an academy coach says he was treated by the same medic with the same drug, the drug that was given to bradley wiggins before three major races using his therapeutic —— therapeutic use exemption. durant thomas has responded on social media, it shouldn't even need saying but we back dave 100%. i have known him for a long time and i would not want anyone else leading team sky. peter kennaugh added i think all the riders on team sky would join me in saying they are completely behind dave brailsford. 0ne rider is conspicuous by his absence, chris froome, the three—time tour de france winner is yet to respond to
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the request, which does not look good for team sky. this response to something so serious as well. there have been plenty of questions and calling for brailsford to resign, we will see if he can survive in the coming weeks. and a massive task facing arsenal in the champions league tonight. it'll be interesting to gauge the atmosphere between arsene wenger and various players? we might see a different side to arsene wenger, he has asked for lucid rage from his against bayern munich, who are looking to achieve the miraculous results, 5—1 down in the first leg from the champions league last 16 tie, wenger has caused for total commitment. the players are ready to fight but it is always a mixture of a little bit of success or a little bit of belief. i think we live in a
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world of small margins, if you drop off a little bit on the belief side or the confidence fronted looks like you do not want to fight. i won in 296 you do not want to fight. i won in 2% believe these players want to do well and win. he will need them to fight pretty hard, they are 33—1 to make it to the next round. 0n the bbc sport website you can see what is more less likely to happen than matter. more or less likely that vladimir putin will win the next russian election? that is more likely, just 3-1. election? that is more likely, just 3—1. more less likely that australia will win eurovision? that isjust 10-1. the will win eurovision? that isjust 10—1. the next james will win eurovision? that isjust 10—1. the nextjames bond being a female actor? more likely, just 16-1. female actor? more likely, just 16—1. how about the existence of alien life being prudent 2017? also more likely, just 20—1. lots of fun to be had on the website, especially if you are a spurs fan. we will see
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isa if you are a spurs fan. we will see is a miracle happens. thank you. the parents of a seven—month—old baby boy who are challenging doctors in court not to switch off his life support machine say they deserve the right to decide the fate of their son. charlie gard is receiving 24—hour treatment at london's great 0rmond street hospital for a genetic condition so rare he's believed to be only the 16th person in the world with it. with no accepted cure for the disease, doctors now believe charlie should be allowed to die with dignity. but his parents say pioneering us treatment could save his life. they now have less than a month to prove that to a judge. connie yates and chris gard are here. when charlie was born in august, perfectly healthy. everything seemed normal. we had no worries. at what
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point did you start to worry? by six weeks he looked weaker and by eight weeks he looked weaker and by eight weeks we took him into hospital because he appeared to have lost weight. what did they do? they did a few tests but they didn't know what was wrong at the time. he got transferred to great or monday street hospital on 11th october. he has been there ever and pretty much since. you two as well. tell us about the condition charlie is in. it is hondrial depletion syndrome. he is missing an enzyme. so yeah. what does that mean about his condition on a day—to—day basis chris? what you do and not do? slight movements. move his hands,
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move his fingers and eyes. he can't open them fully, but he can still open them fully, but he can still open his eyes and see us and he responds to us. we don't feel he is in pain at all. we wouldn't say he's suffering. he has not got the same life as normal seven—month—old baby, but what we're asking for is something that can make him better. if we were going to court to either end care orto if we were going to court to either end care or to leave him how he is, we know that's not a life for the long—term, but it is having something out there which can, you know, improve him and give him a better quality of life and hopefully make him better is the reason why we're still sitting here fighting 110w. we're still sitting here fighting now. i'll ask you more about the treatment in america in a moment. in terms of the months that he has been in the hospital, 0ctober terms of the months that he has been in the hospital, october to now, do
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you believe his condition has deteriorated? it has since we got there, but in the last sort of couple of months he hasn't got any worse. he stayed very stable, hasn't he, the last couple of months. yes. my he, the last couple of months. yes. my understanding is the doctors feel he has deteriorated. he has since he got there, but not in recent months. he's stable. he's not on any painkillers. just a ventilator. he doesn't have any iv lines or anything like that. in terms of what the specialists at great or monday street were saying, they could do for him, what sort of things were they looking at? what sort of things we re they looking at? what sort of things were you looking at? at what point did it come clear that they weren't going to be able to treat him? there isn't much they can do for hondrial depletion syndrome. they told us no treatment, no cure. so they have given him vitamins and stuff which can boost the mitochondria he
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has. you have done research. what did you find. there was another mitochondrial syndrome that had a treatment. there was a research article i read where they said that it should also work for charlie's gene as well. even though it is a different gene? it is a similar cell. i went out to try and find this particular doctor. he has been very helpful. he's waiting for charlie in america. so he has agreed to treat charlie? yes. when did you
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realise that the doctors in the hospital weren't going to support you in this? thursday. the day before court. they told us we could do go to america subject to money and things like that, but and then they said that they don't think it is in his best interests. i said but he hasn't deteriorated recently since they said we could go to america. what was that like when you found out there was a really big fundamental difference of opinion, chris? well, it's difficult because we feel like we've been fighting for a long time. it seems like we've been fighting since the day we found out charlie was ill, you know. at the end of the day, we want him to be given the chance, you're never going to find treatments or cures for these things if you never try anything. what we're asking to give him are not poisons, they're
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naturally occurring compounds that me and you can do produce and unfortunately he is deficient in them and he can't produce them himself. so, you know, there is no real known side—effects to the medications so i kind of think the hole time has been why not try? there is no side—effects. it isjust something that his body requires, you know, it's very different, i know, people will say it is very different, insulin for diabetics, if a diabetic doesn't have insulin, they're in trouble and someone said it is very different, insulin is known to be safe in humans. well, how did you find out who was the first person to try this? because he has got a rare disease he doesn't have a treatment at the moment, but he's only number 16. we want to do this for charlie. he always has been and always will be our number one priority, but we know how it feels to have someone born with this
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disease so if anyone in the future is born with this disease, we want something that can help this and we wa nt something that can help this and we want to find a treatment and cure for mitochondrial disease. we want pa rents for mitochondrial disease. we want parents ta ken into for mitochondrial disease. we want parents taken into the side room and told we have got something your child. we don't want the devastating news that there is nothing we can do. you have been taken into a side room many times. what did they say to you? they said they were the worst results they had seen in a living baby. they were amazed he made it to eight weeks. he was 13, 01’ made it to eight weeks. he was 13, or 14 weeks at that point. they said they were amazed he could move his little finger. we were so proud of him. he shouldn't be there at 13, 14 weeks. we thought you're fighting here. as long as you're fighting we're going to keep fighting for you. halfs he like in the first few weeks then? perfect. he's still
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perfect. he's our little man. we didn't have any worries. he had his own little personality and started smiling and all the usual things. just started getting weaker and yeah. when they said they are the worst results we have ever seen and he shouldn't really be here now. was that the point at which they said there is no treatment? there is no cure for this? they did say that to us cure for this? they did say that to us before. we got there on the tuesday and then on the friday they said, "we suspect he has got mitochondrial disease. " said, "we suspect he has got mitochondrial disease." we were told we had days left with him and that was in october/november. we're now march so... what is the atmosphere like at the hospital when there are medical specialists there who want to do the best for your baby. you're there, you want to do the best for
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your baby, but you have this really big difference of opinion?|j your baby, but you have this really big difference of opinion? i don't see how the best is for him just to die. the best is for him to be given a chance. i think they say he's in pain. the people say that he's in pain. the people say that he's in pain don't spend all day with him and all night with him. he's not on painkillers. if they thought he was in pain, he would be in painkillers. we are there every day and all day and people who wrote the reports for court spend very little time with charlie. so if anyone knows him, they're the experts when it comes to they're the experts when it comes to the clinical side of things, but if anyone knows him, do you think if we suspected he was in pain, we'd still be fighting this hard? if we were sitting there thinking he is in pain, we would have let him go a long time ago. he is our boy. we love him. we're doing all this for charlie. he can't hear, is that right? he can't cry? his muscles are very weak. i can tell if he is
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unhappy and if he's crying, but i can understand how someone else couldn't see it because his muscles are very weak. so what would he do to show that he wasn't happy? you're going to make me pull silly faces on the telly. i didn't know what the a nswer the telly. i didn't know what the answer is? you can see him do something with his mouth. he can get tears in his eyes. really? it is a facial expression because the muscles are so weak. we do understand why. people can't tell. are you, you are allowed to touch him and you are allowed to stroke him and you are allowed to stroke him and you are allowed to stroke him and are you allowed to hold him? yeah. you lie alongside him. he has got a big bed now so we can lie alongside him. the scenario that you're in now is that actually the decision has been taken out of your hands? yes. and out of the hands of the doctors and a decision about your son's life will now be made by a judge. who has never met him before. what do you think about that? i hate it. i can't bear the thought of it. he's our boy. we've
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always had his best interests at heart. those three words i've heard more are in charlie's best interests. we're his mum and dad, his best interests always will be out his best interests always will be our main priority. what do you have to do at the next hearing? you have to do at the next hearing? you have to persuade thejudge to do at the next hearing? you have to persuade the judge that the treatment in america is what, i don't know, going to work, is worth it, how do you have to go about persuading thisjudge? it, how do you have to go about persuading this judge? just. .. it, how do you have to go about persuading thisjudge? just... do you have to give him evidence about the treatment? as much evidence as we can, but there is limited data on it. there is some scientific proof which i'll share with him, but and yeah... it's difficult because it is so yeah... it's difficult because it is so rarement people are saying the data is not out there, but he's number16 in the data is not out there, but he's number 16 in the world to have the infantile version of this. the judge has described this as the most tragic situation. he talked about you as truly devoted parents and he will, "have to balance on the one
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hand the risk of pain and suffering to charlie against the possibility that the treatment in america could prove to be successful." i mean that's an impossible decision in a way, isn't it? i wouldn't like to be thatjudge. rather him than me right now. i'm going to read you some messages from people watching you around the country kdb tweets this, "this is so heartbreaking, but the parents should decide." nicky says, "i support the parents. they should be able to help their baby boy without able to help their baby boy without a court case." you are trying to raise money. tell our audience the reasons why you need over £1 million. we need to get a private airambulance million. we need to get a private air ambulance there because he's ventilate sod we require a doctor and nurse just to look after him. and the care in america is very expensive because it's and the care in america is very expensive because its private healthcare. and then the medications
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that he'd require as well. they are just oral medications. they are not too overly expensive, but it is mostly the care. and where are you up mostly the care. and where are you up to in that? in terms of raising the money? i didn't check this morning? about £23,000. is it? wow. this is what great or monday street say, "charlie has a rare and complex disease which which there is no accepted care. charlie was very ill when he was admitted to great or monday street hospital and he remained under 24 hour care in our intensive care unit. we feel we have exhausted all available proven treatment options. we can't imagine how hugely distressing this is for the family. we continue to support them every way we can while advocating what we believe is best for charlie." what do you say to that?”
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for charlie." what do you say to that? i just wish we we re what do you say to that? i just wish we were trusted to know what was best for our son. i think we've shown the dedication we've got. we're not keeping him herejust shown the dedication we've got. we're not keeping him here just for out we're not keeping him here just for our benefit, you know, because we can't bear to lose him. as i said, he has fought to save, to stay here and you know as i say, if we feel he's in pain and suffering which we don't because seriously we would not be doing this. we are not bad parents. we just want him to be given the chance and if he's not in pain and not suffering as we feel he is then you know we will fight to the very end to get him the treatment that we think will work, you know, we're convinced it will work. jo says, "i feel so sorry for charlie's parents. of course, they wa nt to charlie's parents. of course, they want to fight for their son, but surely you have to listen to the doctors." you're listening to a doctor in america who has used these
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medications and in the research behind them, we think it will work —— we are listening to. he is a urologist specialising in mitochondrial disease and neurological conditions. rowan says my heart goes out to the couple. sandra says what an awful position. another view says my heart goes out to them and charlie. debra, we need to support that is —— the pa rents, we need to support that is —— the parents, doctors are not always right. helen says i would like to offer £20,000 to help with charlie's treatment in america. thank you, helen. that's amazing. oh, my word. i know a lot of people say they have to listen to the doctors, but kids arejura to listen to the doctors, but kids are jura ball. kids defied the doctors every day. we believe charlie is a special boy. he is our son, we love him, of course we will be biased, but he is a special boy,
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a little warrior. thank you both. we will report back for our audience on what happens in court in a few weeks. in the meantime, thank you for coming on the programme. thank you for having us. if you want to get in touch about that, please do. you can send us an e—mail, you can message us on twitter. still to come, jeremy corbyn calls on the government to scrap plans to limit access to a key disability benefit. we'll have his full interview in the next few minutes. a british backpacker is allegedly raped and assaulted during a two—month hostage ordeal in queensland. we'll have the latest live from sydney. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the news. jeremy corbyn has told this programme that he believes theresa may's government has an issue with people with disabilities. labour has previously criticised the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim disability benefits — particularly personal
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independent payments. the government has insisted that the welfare system is a strong safety net for those in need of it? they seem to have an issue over disabilities, last year they tried to re m ove disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion, they then reversed that cut after iain duncan smith resigned a few days later, and then agreed to carry on paying it. there is a deficit built into the budget already because of that. they see this as a further opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. i think theyjust prevent the bill rising further. i think they just need prevent the bill rising further. i think theyjust need to think about the kind of society we are, the way we support people. and you can listen to victoria's full interview with jeremy corbyn right here in a couple of minutes' time. facebook‘s procedures for vetting content on its pages have been strongly criticised after a bbc investigation found it was failing to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children. the chair of the commons media committee damian collins has said
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it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness of facebook‘s systems. facebook said it had removed all items that were illegal or against its standards. downing street has rejected a call from the former conservative leader, lord hague, to call a snap general election. writing in the daily telegraph, he says theresa may needs a decisive commons majority to head off backbench rebellions. mrs may has repeatedly ruled out going to the country before the next election in 2020. a couple fighting a court battle from preventing great 0rmond street hospitalfrom turning off from preventing great 0rmond street hospital from turning off their ba by‘s hospital from turning off their baby's live hospital from turning off their ba by‘s live support hospital from turning off their baby's live support they say they just want to improve his quality of life. chris gard and connie yates wa nt to ta ke life. chris gard and connie yates want to take their son charlie to america for pioneering treatment. doctors at great 0rmond street have applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not in his best interests. if we were going to court to either
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end care or to leave him how he is, we know that is not a life for the long term, you know poster not but it is having something out that that will give him a better quality of life and hopefully make him better, thatis life and hopefully make him better, that is the reason we are still sitting here fighting. more at 10am. this on personal independence payments, martin text this, jeremy corbyn is 110% right what he says about pip. i have tried six times to get on pip payments because of my disabilities, now i am trying for my seventh with atos. they are the private company which does the assessments. 99% of applicants will fail to qualify for pip. he must, must come to swindon and takes his seat from the conservatives after yea rs seat from the conservatives after years and years of neglect. more on
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that after the sport. good morning. well, chelsea are looking pretty unstoppable in the race for the premier league title. they survived the test of a london derby last night, eden hazard and diego costa goals helping them to a 2—1win at west ham. the are now 10 points clear with 11 games left. manchester united talisman zlatan ibrahimovic faces missing their fa cup quarter final against chelsea after being charged with violent conduct. he appeared to try and elbow tyrone mings of bounemouth in their draw at the weekend. if given a three match ban he'd also miss league games with middlesbrough and west brom. five—time world champion ronnie 0'sullivan beat liang wenbo 5 frames to 1 to reach the second round at the players championship in wales. and day—night cricket will be included in the women's ashes for the first time. england and australia will meet in brisbane in october with the first of three one—day internationals, before test at t20 matches —— test and twenty20 matches as
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well. that is all, we will be back at just after well. that is all, we will be back atjust after 10am. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has told this programme the government has an issue with disability. he's calling on them to scrap plans to limit access to a key disability benefit in a week's time. the government wants to reverse two recent court rulings that would have made another 160,000 people eligible for the personal independence payment, or pip. here's what's going on. pip is a benefit paid to the long term ill or disabled. it is replacing an older payment called disability living allowance. pip has two parts — one to cover daily living expenses, the other to cover mobility or getting around. under pip you are scored based on your needs. more than eight points and you get the lower or standard rate. that is £55.10 a week for expenses and £21.10 a week for mobility. more than 12 points and you get an enhanced rate. that is around £82 for living is and
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over 50 points for mobility. last year judges at two tribunals said more points should be given if you suffer overwhelming psychological distress when making a journey or if you need help to take medication. that — says the government — would make another 160,000 people eligible and would cost the taxpayer £3.7 billion over the next four years. whenever we talk about pip on this programme we get hundreds of texts and emails from viewers. last week we were contacted by brian rollinson who served with the british army in northern ireland in the 1980s. he was injured back then and later diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder or ptsd. 0ur reporterjim reed went to meet him yesterday at his home in wiltshire. i was a very young boy, very naive. no military background whatever. the first tour was very tough, walking the streets of northern ireland not knowing, would you be coming back safely? it had a massive effect on me later on in life. my day—to—day life, i have daily flashbacks, traumas,
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triggers, nightmares. i try and avoid difficult situations like supermarkets, going on public transport and ptsd is an illness that i don't think people still understand. so, you know, look at the paperwork i have to submit! you know? it does. it makes you feel so, so worthless. i was very relieved after the first tribunal that we won our case and, like i said, common sense prevailed.
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ithought, right, i can get on now living. in 2015, we're looking two years straight after the first tribunal, i had a letter saying we need to do another assessment on your disability and care. i was thinking to myself, "what's happening now? " my world fell apart again. i thought this was all sorted. i thought, "that's it, it's all done." i got some breathing space. i can relax. but then... a letter comes through the post. the claim is being looked at and i've gone back down to standard. devastated. absolutely bloody devastated. i don't want to be too blunt but it's pathetic. i had a bad time.
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had a bad time. i don't think that these people making these decisions realise the impact. and it was a very difficult time yet again. you feel like a criminal because of what i had to go through over the last couple of years. yes, i didn't want to be here any more. i think that speaks for itself without me saying those words, but, this really got me down, really did. i think ministers, government, need to have a look at the system as whole... and see how we can improve it. as we've been hearing, the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has told this programme that theresa may's government appears to have an issue with people with disabilities. this is the full interview,
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and mr corbyn began by describing what action he's demanding from ministers over personal independence payments. the court made a ruling and the government did not put it to the social security advisory committee, which is what they would normally do before introducing legislation. 0n the 23rd of february they laid a statutory instrument before parliament to negate the decision of the court and thus 164,000 people did not receive enhanced pip payments from the beginning of april. i think that is disgraceful, we will obviously oppose it when it comes before parliament but that is the government position, they are wrong. the government say everybody currently on personal independence payments will continue to receive it. the current recipients will continue to receive it, these are new applications for people suffering
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from severe conditions such as post—traumatic stress and a number of others, who will not get the necessary enhanced payments to live an independent life. they are suffering from quite serious mental health conditions and i think they deserve to be supported. the government's policy, in law there is a parity between physical and mental health, it seemed to be undermined by the government's decision. the dwp says 65% of recipients, those getting pip with the mental health condition, get the highest rate of the daily living expenses, versus 22% under the previous labour policy of the disability living allowance. the number getting personal independence payments is considerable, they deserve it and are integral to bid. this is about new applicants are people suffering from mental health conditions who will not get the enhanced payments. i think they should, we will challenge this in parliament and i think it is extremely unfair.
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explain why having a mental health condition like anxiety, the condition like anxiety, the condition referred to by theresa may's head of policy units, is a serious in your view as having a severe disability? he is very derogatory language and sedatives eventually —— essentially people who do not have a serious condition at all. i think he should talk to people who have developed obsessive disorders, those with post—rheumatic stress and a number of others, they need support to live independently and get support to recover from need support to live independently and get support to recoverfrom it all together. denying them the support they need in order to live independently is counter—productive because their condition will probably get worse, they will become a greater cost because they will possibly need care in a residential setting. i wonder if you think there should maybe be one payments that eve ryo ne receives
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should maybe be one payments that everyone receives regardless of the severity of their disability or mental health condition? the principle behind personal independence payments is the principal of independent living, where those who have conditions or to be able to live independently in their own home, and the costs vary between different parts of the country, different levels of conditions, meaning there has to be an assessment made. if you have a flat rate benefit to the whole country it is not necessarily reflect the costs to some people, and some need more current support than others, they might need some body to help them, others may be able to manage with minimal help —— some need more care and support than others. you cannot legislate simply for every single mental health condition. you will know the disability welfare bill has steadily increased for rent two decades, are you this morning saying you are except that it will keep increasing in the future? —— are you this
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morning saying that you access to that? i think it will increase for a number of reasons, one is the older population, medical research has moved on a lot and people are able to survive quite bad injuries when they end up with a disability condition which in previous decades maybe they would not have survived from. i think the costs will go up but i think we have to judge ourselves as a society. do we believe that those with any form of disability can contribute? yes. do we believe they should live independently? yes. does that mean we have to support them? 0bviously, thatis we have to support them? 0bviously, that is part of the price of civilised living. the government say the changes they want to make would save £3.7 billion, where would you get that money from? i would continue by not reducing the level of inheritance tax. i would look at it as a cost that we all have to bear as a society for the benefit of all of us.
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that reversal in corporation tax cut, you've spent it quite a few times now. you've said you'll use it to plug the gap in social care funding and you'll use it to address the pay freeze on public sector workers and you'll abolish tuition fees and bring back grants and that adds up to £14 billion a year. there would have to be other sources of income as well for central government. that issue has to be decided upon. has to be examined carefully, but i just decided upon. has to be examined carefully, but ijust make the point that this government is moving in a trajectory of lowering the top rate of taxation, lowering the levels of corporate taxation, lowering the levels of inheritance tax, all that has a price to pay and it is all of us has a price to pay and it is all of us who have to pay that price. reversing the corporation tax cut saves £7.5 billion over five years, and reintroducing the 50 pence tax rate brings in £100 million a year.
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where else would you pay for this £3.7 billion for these enhanced payments for more claimants? let's start from the principle we should pay them. start from the principle that these people are entitled to that these people are entitled to that care and support and we have to raise the taxation to deal with it and we're also considering the level which we would raise corporation tax in order to raise more funds for public needs because we do need it as you quite rightly identify to fund education improvements as well as maintaina fund education improvements as well as maintain a decent level of funding for those with disabilities and also, of course, properly fund oui’ and also, of course, properly fund our nhs and social care system. you will know there is a certain level of public support for reducing the welfare bill? there is always a public support for lots of different things, but i think anyone who has talked to somebody, who has gone through a mental health crisis, somebody that's going through
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post—traumatic stress or somebody that's suffering from physical disability, everybody would recognise they have a right to be able to live their lives as independently as possible and as decently as possible. i think when you put to the public the simple human case for spending all of our resources or helping those people to live fuller lives then i think there isa live fuller lives then i think there is a lot of support for that. do you think theresa may and her government have an i shall ub with people with disabilities? they seem to have an issue over social care and they seem to have an issue over disabilities because last year they did try toe remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion. they then reversed that cut after iain duncan smith resigned a few days later and then agreed to carry on paying it. so there is a deficit built into the budget already because of that. they then see this as a further opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. well, i think they
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just need to think about the kind of society we are. the way we support people and hope they will change their minds on this. we will certainly oppose the statutory instrument in parliament. that's the legaljargon for bringing this thing in and hope the government will change its mind. we certainly have never changed our minds on this. people need support. why would they have an issue with people with certain disabilities?” have an issue with people with certain disabilities? i think they have an issue about being prepared to argue the case to spend public money in supporting people who need to be able to live as independently as possible. all the time i have beenin as possible. all the time i have been in parliament there has been debates about disability, we have moved a long, long way. we got equalities legislation and disabilities right and we got parity of he is seem through on physical and mental health and things have changed a great deal. clearly, there isa changed a great deal. clearly, there is a cost involved in that. it is how you judge and measure society. let me ask you one or two other
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questions if i may. 0ne let me ask you one or two other questions if i may. one of your own labour mps questions if i may. one of your own labourmps said questions if i may. one of your own labour mps said the former conservative prime ministerjohn major is more effective at attacking theresa may than labour right now. is that colleague of yours right?” have no idea who he is or she is or why they say that. we are attacking this government on issues of health and social care as we have just been discussing. we are attacking this government on issues of economic development, of unemployment, under employment, zero—hours contracts and insecurity in work, we're attacking this government on all these fronts. becausejohn major this government on all these fronts. because john major is this government on all these fronts. becausejohn major is critical of the government over the european union, so are we. we have accepted the result of the referendum. but we also want to make sure there is a good, effective tariff—free trading relationship with europe in the future. former conservative leader william hague says theresa may should scrap the legislation that would then allow her to call a snap general election. would you welcome that? well, the legislation was put
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in with all party support only in the last parliament which is known asa the last parliament which is known as a fixed term parliaments act, the fixed parliament acts require that parliament goes for five years u nless parliament goes for five years unless two—thirds of mps vote for dissolution of parliament. we supported that legislation because we wa nted supported that legislation because we wanted to ensure greater stability in politics, but if there isa stability in politics, but if there is a proposal to get rid of it then i'm sure we'd consider it. does that mean you would welcome the snap general election or not?” mean you would welcome the snap general election or not? i want to see a different government. i don't wa nt to see a different government. i don't want to see this government in office. so you would welcome the snap general election. theoretically, are you saying you'd win it then? we would take our case out to the country. the case out for dealing with the housing crisis rather than leaving so many people living in housing stress or homeless
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or unable to buy because they can't find anywhere to buy. the latest poll puts labour 18 points behind the conservative government. that's the conservative government. that's the biggest lead since you became leader and it has been like that for a few months which suggests even if voters agree with your message, they like your message, they've stopped listening to you as the messenger? we're getting out there with our case, our case for national health service, our case for social care, our case forjobs, our case for housing, our case for decency in society. we will put that out there. we'll put that out there because the levels of inequality in this country are totally levels of inequality in this country a re totally u na cce pta ble levels of inequality in this country are totally unacceptable and the inability of so many young people to make the most of their lives because of the levels of debt they get into in university or the very low levels of pay they get, or the high cost of rent in the private rented sector. if you put that out there, do you
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think that's enough for you to win a snap general election? we will be out there campaigning. we will be out there campaigning. we will be out there campaigning. we will be out there taking our message, taking our message of hope to the people of this country. and we're very confident that that message will be well received. does that mean yes, you could win a snap general election? we will take our case out. we will do our very best to win an election. nobody knows the result of an election before they go into it, but we do know that we have a strong, moral and just case to put to the people of this country, of the kind of country we could be. you definitely won't say yes, you could wina snap definitely won't say yes, you could win a snap general election. nobody can say they're going to win an election. all you can say is you go into an election determined to win it so that you can deliver for the people of this country the kind of society they deserve and we believe is possible. i wonder is the soft coup that your shod owe chancellor revealed recently, is that over or still
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ongoing? i'm asking all labour mps to get behind the strategy we're putting forward. get behind an investment—led economy, get behind our opposition to what this government is doing in creating greater inequality in our society. we have a large party membership campaigning week in and week out and we have council and mayoral elections coming up. we're going to be together on those doorsteps winning the elections. do you think privately there are some of your collea g u es privately there are some of your colleagues who are plotting against you still? i think there is a media obsession with the internal workings of the labour party. well, it was john mcdonnell, it was your shadow chancellor who told us about a soft coup... i know. i know. listen, let's get out there on the policies, let's get out there on the policies, let's get out there on the policies, let's get out there united as a party, determined to change the way that people live in our society so they can live better lives, that's what politics is really all about. what do you want to see from the chancellor in tomorrow's budget? what i would like to see is
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sufficient funding for the nhs and social care. i think that's a key. what i would also like to see is addressing the issues of the school funding crisis which means that many schools are now faced with a horrible prospect of laying off teachers or teaching assistants. classes gotting bigger and children's support in education getting less. i want to see those issues addressed and i also want to see something very positive about housing particularly development of council housing so that people can get somewhere decent to live rather than having to pay often very excessive rents for inadequate quality of private rented accommodation. we are expecting an announcement on an increase in funding for school places in the budget including for new grammar school places, what do you think of those conservative plans?” school places, what do you think of those conservative plans? i think they're barking those conservative plans? i think they‘ re barking up those conservative plans? i think they're barking up the wrong tree com pletely they're barking up the wrong tree completely on this. the issue of school funding and school places. the issue isn't going around to develop selective education. the issueis
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develop selective education. the issue is supporting the schools that we've got and supporting the principal of local community schools rather than selection. there is no great public support for selection because they realise if you have selection for one group of people, somebody else doesn't get selected. please forgive me mr corbyn, i will come back to my question about whether you think you would win a snap general election. are you telling me... are you telling me that you're confident you would win a general election? we're going to ta ke a general election? we're going to take our case out to the countriment we're very confident of the support we're very confident of the support we can get to win an election to ta ke we can get to win an election to take our case to the british people. don't under estimate the support there is for the labour party. don't under estimate the anger that there is out there of the levels of inequality and injustice in our society. we'll expose that. that's where our case is very, very strong. can you answer yes or no, please? you've asked me the question, many, many times, how many times do i have to tell you, we're taking our case out there to win because we believe
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we can win. thank you very much for talking to us. thank you. we will get reaction to that from the former work and pensions secretary, stephen crabb. denise says, "he can't answer a simple question as to how he would pay for it. i fully support the welfare cuts and the government." vivy says, "i agree withjeremy corbyn. i'm concerned about the government's attitude to the disabled." emma says, "it isn't just attitude to the disabled." emma says, "it isn'tjust people with mental health issues that will be affected by pip changes is this is a huge issue, but not the only issue." sarah says, "corbyn is talking rubbish. he's plucking his money tree again." ness says, "the system is cruel. it is judgemental tree again." ness says, "the system is cruel. it isjudgemental and it belittles you. another viewer says, "i am a carer. are there any stats on how many suicides occurred
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asa stats on how many suicides occurred as a result of the forms and the process ? as a result of the forms and the process? if only the government could see the despair and defeat on the faces of the vulnerable people i go to to look after." thank you. the latest news and sport in a moment after the weather. here is stav. good morning. what a chilly one it has been. it will be the last of the chilly mornings. plenty of sunshine to compensate the cold morning. further west the cloud is continuing to thicken like this picture shows in somerset. that's because we've got this weather front which is slowly creeping in off the atlantic to brood deuce stronger winds and thicker cloud and rain to western areas as the day wears on. there is another weather front affecting the north—east corner of scotland and the northern isles. lots of sunshine around, but the rain will continue to march in slowly across more western areas. for scotland, not a bad afternoon. there should be good
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sunshine around on the mainland. sunshine and showers continuing across the northern isles. more prolonged rain at times and feeling cold with the wind there. some of the rain getting in towards western scotla nd the rain getting in towards western scotland because for northern ireland here, for you, it will be turning cloudier and wetter and breezierfor turning cloudier and wetter and breezier for this turning cloudier and wetter and breezierfor this part of turning cloudier and wetter and breezier for this part of the afternoon and the rain gotting in towards parts of wales and the south—west of england, but the midlands eastwards will hold on to the drier and the brighter weather. the sunshine becoming hazier at times too, but in the brighter spots we could make ten or 11 celsius. elsewhere, staying in single figures. it isn't until this evening and overnight the rain gets its act together and marches across the uk. a bit of snow over the higher ground of scotla nd a bit of snow over the higher ground of scotland for a while before that mild air pumps in right across the uk. so by the end of tonight, we're looking at temperatures of four to maybe nine celsius across the south. so it means for wednesday, we're in the mild air. it is going to be a tale of two halfs. northern areas will see blustery showers. for scotla nd will see blustery showers. for scotland and northern ireland and the far north of england arsunshine. for much of england and wales the
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weather front will be stubborn to clear so it will be damp here. 0utbreaks clear so it will be damp here. outbreaks of rain. some hill fog and mist and murk, outbreaks of rain. some hill fog and mistand murk, but outbreaks of rain. some hill fog and mist and murk, but very mild across—the—board, but across central and southern parts of britain with top temperatures of around 14 celsius. if we pull out to show the big picture into thursday, you can see the area of low pressure moves away from the north of scotland and we will have a weather front across the south of the country, but i think it is a ridge of high pressure dominating so for many areas, it should be dry with sunshine, and probably the best of the sunshine across eastern areas. a lot of cloud further south and west. a few showers across the south and very mild again with top temperatures of 14 celsius or 15 celsius. the mild airwill be 14 celsius or 15 celsius. the mild air will be with us until the end of the week and into the weekend, but don't expect wall to wall sunshine. there is going to be a lot of cloud around and outbreaks of rain too. it stays mild into the start of next week too. that's your weather. hello, it's tuesday, it's 10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. in a court battle to keep their seventh month old baby alive, we hear from a couple who tell us
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exclusively why they are fighting to take their seriously ill son charlie to the usa for potentially lifesaving treatment. at the end of the day, we just want him to be given a chance because, you know, you will never find treatments or cures for these things if you never try anything. what we're asking to give him are not poisons, they are naturally occurring compounds that me and you can produce, unfortunately he is deficient in them. so many of you getting untouched, mark says my heart and love go to you two and you... your boy. —— so many of you getting into edge. you will be able to watch the full interview shortly. we'll also bring you reaction to our exclusive interview withjeremy corbyn — he's told us theresa may's government has an issue with people with disabilities. they seem to have an issue of the
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disabilities, last year they tried to re m ove disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion. i think they have to think about the kind of society we are, the way we support people. in the next few minutes we will bring you an interview with former work and pensions secretary former work and pensions secretary for the conservatives, stephen crabb, he flatly rejects the idea that the conservative government has an issue with people with disabilities. and the army widow who says she has suffered five miscarriages after her husband unknowingly attacked her in his sleep. she says post—traumatic stress was involved. she tells us why she is suing the ministry of defence. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. jeremy corbyn has told this programme that he believes theresa may's government has an issue with people with disabilities. labour has previously criticised the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim disability benefits — particularly personal independent payments. the government has insisted
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that the welfare system is a strong safety net for those who are in need of it. they seem to have an issue over disabilities because last year they did try to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion. they then reversed that cut after iain duncan smith resigned a few days later and then agreed to carry on paying it. so there is a deficit built into the budget already because of that are. they then see this as a further opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. well, i think theyjust need to think about the kind of society we are and the way we support people. the nspcc has strongly condemned facebook after it failed to remove some content featuring inappropriate and sexualised images of children. a bbc investigation found a hundred such images, but after reporting them, only 18 were removed. facebook said it had taken down all items that were illegal or against its standards. a british woman has been rescued
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by police officers in australia after allegedly being held against her will for more than two months. a 22—year—old man from queensland has been charged with several counts of rape and assault after she was found with injuries during a routine traffic check. a couple who are fighting a court battle to prevent great 0rmond street from turning off their baby's life support have told this programme theyjust want to improve their son's quality of life. chris gard and connie yates want to take their son charlie to america for pioneering treatment. doctors at great 0rmond street have applied to withdraw life support on the grounds it is not in his best interest. he has fought to stay here. you know, as i say, if we feel he was in pain and suffering, which we don't, seriously, we would not be doing this. we are not bad parents. we just want him to be given a chance.
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if he is not in pain or suffering, as we feel he is, we will fight to the very end to get him the treatment. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30am. i want to read you this e—mail from louise. i have been watching charlie's parents with tears in my eyes. i want to tell you what happened to my family. the doctors wa nted happened to my family. the doctors wanted to turn off my dad's life support after he suffered a brain haemorrhage and heart attack in 1990. they told us he would be a vegetable. we defied the doctors and we kept my father alive. it took a long time for my father to recover, to live independently, but i am happy to say that we did the right thing. he was not a vegetable, my father went on to live another 20 years with the family that lived in very much and we are so pleased that we did not give up on him. the doctors are not always right, never give up hope. 0bviously hope. obviously you are seeing pictures of charlie being treated in great
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0rmond street hospital, he is seven months of age. a text from one viewer, i feel so sad for charlie and his parents, i say to them, go for it. i have personal experience with some doctors playing god, particularly babies being born with syndromes. some parents will be told that their babies will be a cabbage only to find later they live a full life. good luck, i hope it works. david says, come on, if there is a chance for this child to live and thrive they have to try. all life is precious and for doctors to say, let the baby die, it seems ludicrous. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here's some sport now with hugh. good morning. arsenal will need to make champions league history tonight and become the first club to overhaul a four—goal first—leg deficit when they line up against bayern munich at the emirates tonight. we may be seeing a different side to arsene wenger — he's asked for a lucid rage from his players. the players are ready to fight, but
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it is always a mixture of a little bit success all a little bit belief, you know? ithink bit success all a little bit belief, you know? i think we live in the world of small margins and it should drop offa world of small margins and it should drop off a little bit. 0n the belief site. and on the confidence fronted looks always like you do not want to fight. these players, i wanted to present believe that these players wa nts to present believe that these players wants to do well and want to win. chelsea continue their march towards the premier league title. they're now ten points clear after a 2—1win at west ham. they haven't been beaten since losing to spurs onjanuary 4th. eden hazard put chelsea 1—0 nil up. after the break, diego costa added a second with his thigh. manuel lanzini grabbed a consolation goal in injury time but it was too late. chelsea are now unbeaten in ten games. we must think that we're able to
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ta ke we must think that we're able to take 26 points to win this title. but it goes step—by—step. it is important to see it again by game, to dream is good but it is important to dream is good but it is important to keep our feet on the ground. india's cricketers have pulled off a dramatic win over australia in bangaluru to level the four match test series at one—all. australia needed just 188 to win but were skittled out for just 112. they were already in deep trouble when captain steve smith was given out lbw. smith was unsure whether to review the decision and seemed to try to communicate with his dressing room — something that's not permitted. india skipper virat kohli was angry at smith's antics and the umpires were required to cool tempers down. ravi ashwin took six wickets as india sealed a 75 run victory. the third test is a week on thursday. ronnie 0'sullivan is
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through to the second round of the players championship in wales after a 5 frames to 1 win over liang wenbo. the rocket, who's a five time world champion, was rarely troubled as he eased through to a second round clash against eitherjudd trump or mark king in a tournament which sees the world's top 16 players take part. that's all the sport for now. thank you. welcome to the programme. an army widow who says she had five miscarriages after her husband unknowingly attacked her in his sleep is suing the ministry of defence. lindsey roberts says she lost the babies when her husband, andrew, mistakenly hit her during his nightmares. she claims the military knew her late husband had a post—traumatic stress disorder yet sent him on nine tours of duty in ten years, including two in iraq and three in afghanistan. he died following a taliban mortar attack in 2012. lindsey roberts is now pursuing two legal claims against the ministry of defence, one for failing its duty of care
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towards her husband by allowing him to return to afghanistan in 2012 and the other a personal injury claim for the injuries she suffered as a result of her husband's trauma. it's the first time an army widow has sued the government on behalf of her husband. we can speak to lindsey roberts now. good morning. thank you for coming on the programme. tell us about andrew when you first met him? he was a good guy. i was working in the naafi on the army base, one of the barmaids, i was 18, naafi on the army base, one of the barmaids, iwas18, he naafi on the army base, one of the barmaids, i was 18, he was 19. naafi on the army base, one of the barmaids, iwas18, he was 19. we got married two years later and shortly after andrew went on his first tour of iraq. as you would expect, he experience and pretty horrendous things. when he came home, did he seem different? yes, but every soldier keen is different when they are home. nobody goes to
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these two zones, the things they see are horrendous. nobody comes back the same. nobody comes back the same at all, you expect them to be a bit disjointed and a bit emotional. for us, the real problem is caked in about five weeks after he got back, i fell pregnant, our first pregnancy, five weeks into my pregnancy, five weeks into my pregnancy andrew had his first serious night terror where he thrashed out in the night. could you explain what a night to raise?m thrashed out in the night. could you explain what a night to raise? it is a nightmare. andrew, when he had his, he would be in a sleepwalking state in bed. -- can you explain what a night terror is? he would be moving around or doing things but was not awake, he had no knowledge whatsoever of what he was doing, did not know where he was, did not know he was at home all who was around him. if you see somebody
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sleepwalking, you cannot control what is going on in their head. it is the same thing, he had no clue. what did he do to you that led to a miscarriage? he was thrashing round the bed trying to fight, he was not aware where he was. 0n andrew's first tour, hisjob aware where he was. 0n andrew's first tour, his job was that a prisoner of war camp, i don't know what he saw that caused those nightmares but i know that when he woke up, there were occasions when he said he dreamt he was captured. i don't know what he was fighting against, who he thought he was fighting, he certainly did not know it was me in the bed next to him. but as a result, you say, you lost the baby? we lost five pregnancies in total. 0ne the baby? we lost five pregnancies in total. one in three women in the uk miscarry, it is hard to prove they are connected to the night terrors. we cannot win any compensation from taking that part to court, that is purely to make people stand up and realise that it
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is not just. .. the people stand up and realise that it is notjust... the series of the ptsd and the lads that are suffering, but this affects families, too. 0ver christmas, i work at something called the roberts project, we were inundated with m essa 9 es project, we were inundated with messages from wives and girlfriends of soldiers suffering ptsd, they are crying out for help because their husbands and boyfriends are having night terrors. i had somebody that ended up in hospital because she was smashed in the face with something. she is awaiting surgery. we had another girl that has just ended up in an absolute state, her husbands can't remember doing a single thing about it. it is unwinnable, the compensation claim. you want to raise awareness. it is purely about awareness. of former soldiers with ptsd that are not getting the specialist help they need? one of
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the problems i hear about on a regular basis through our projects is that these soldiers... soldiers have a lot of banter that goes on in camp, they are conditioned to certain way, they tend to swear a lot, it is all in jest. but when they go into the nhs services, obviously any chess has a zero policy, zero—tolerance on swearing and abuse —— obviously the nhs has. soldiers swear. they swear. there is no skirting around it. they don't do it in an abusive way, they swear in general conversation. when they swear and they are around somebody that works in the nhs in a mental health capacity, they are told to stop swearing and they will be refused treatment. tell a soldier suffering from ptsd that he is about to be refused treatment because he swore, he will react. you say you had five miscarriages because of andrew, in the middle of the night,
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effectively sleepwalking but kind of attacking you. why didn't you move out of the bed? quite frankly, your kids don't have nightmares every night, neither did andrew. you could not get out of the room? once we had our children, the first time it happened it was a massive shock. it is like your kids. your kids will have nightmares once in awhile, they won't have them every single night of the week. do you know what i mean? you would not lock your child ina room mean? you would not lock your child in a room because they might go somewhere, that is not how life works. we a happily married couple at the time and obviously andrew could not have guessed when the nightmares would happen, i could not have guessed, one thing we have linked now looking into the case, when andrew was suffering the worst of these nightmares he was on a medication called larry, an antimalarial drug. we have reported
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on that and some people who have taken it on that and some people who have ta ken it have on that and some people who have taken it have been subjected to those nights terrors. we can't know for certain. andrew isn't here anymore and it is important for people to realise he was an amazing soldier and he was an amazing dad. he would have done anything for anybody. i know for a fa ct if anything for anybody. i know for a fact if he could save lives with his story being told now to help these soldiers that are suffering ptsd, that are not getting the help that they need and potentially, are the on the route to committing suicide, the army only, the mod only keep stats on suicides that have happened within service. they don't keep stats on suicides that happen after service because they say it is too ha rd to service because they say it is too hard to keep track of these ex—servicemen. hard to keep track of these ex-servicemen. andrew tried to take his own life in 2011? he did, yes. he was killed in a mortar attack in
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afghanistan in 2012. do you have any idea if the mod were aware of his mental health? in 2009, and we staoully, this is the evidence that has gun to the papers and this is why they printed it and took it seriously. in 2009, it is in his doctor's records and in my doctor's records that a meeting with the mod, army welfare, the doctors and the police took place and it actually states on the records the exact words are to discuss with the army welfare the problems that the husband was having after his return from afghanistan. yeah, they knew he was having problems. if he got care. if he got the right care, things might be different? rchlt he shouldn't have been on that tour. my children might still have their dad. if he hadn't been on that tour, he wouldn't have been gone.
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u nfortu nately you wouldn't have been gone. unfortunately you can't go back and change things and we can't change what happened to andrew. what we're hoping is we can take a stand and stop this happening to anybody else. we have a statement from the ministry of defence. "whilst we wouldn't comment on a specific legal case, the mental health of everyone who serves our country is of the utmost importance and that's why we encourage anyone needing help to come forward and get the assistance they deserve before, during and after deployments." thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you. and lindsay roberts will be taking part in a facebook live on the bbc news account shortly — do send her any questions you have. still to come, we'll have more reaction to comments made byjeremy corbyn over planned cuts to a key disability benefit. he told us theresa may's government has an "issue over disabilities". the prime minister is facing another
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defeat in the house of commons over brexit. peers have voted that european nationals living in britain can stay once the uk has left. they are expected to call on theresa may to give a legal commitment that mps and peers are given a vote before departure in two years time. so what will it mean? norman smith is back with us. hi again, norman. hi vic. no wonder we learned this morning that william hague was suggesting mrs may may want to call an early election to bolster her majority because she has been getting a tough time in the house of lords over brexit where peers have been coming up brexit where peers have been coming up with all sorts of changes they wa nt to up with all sorts of changes they want to see in her approach to brexit. so let's just remind ourselves where we've got to. mrs may turned up in the lords the other week to eyeball peers to put pressure on them, not to try and change her brexit bill, what did they do? well, they delivered that clunking great defeat on eu nationals. in effect, telling mrs
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may she should guarantee their right to remain in the uk straightaway regardless of what other eu countries do. but tonight, we are expecting more trouble over a so—called meaningful vote. now, what that would do would give parliament the final say on any brexit deal. they would have the power to veto whatever mrs may finally sorted out. there is pressure for a second vote. a second referendum. this is something the liberal democrats are pushing and it seems they have actually been encouraging their peers to buy camp beds so they can stay here late at night to make sure they're here to vote for that second referendum! lastly, updates. peers wa nt referendum! lastly, updates. peers want mrs may to have to give parliament regular, three month updates on how the negotiations are going. so, how does the prime minister respond? well, in the commons mrs may will seek to
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overturn all those defeats. she try to use her majority to reverse any defeats inflicted here. why? well, because she says don't delay. all these amendments risk slowing down our departure from the eu and she wa nts to our departure from the eu and she wants to be able to trigger article 50 by the end of march. she will also argue it is the unelected house thatis also argue it is the unelected house that is doing all this. when mps, the elected house, have already voted in favour of article 50. why should peers be allowed to hold things up? and lastly she will warn that all these changes risk tying her hands, limiting her ability to negotiate. but mrs may faces a difficult time because some of her mps may think, you know what, those peers have got a good point. the real risk for her is that she might even lose in the house of commons. i
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think that's perhaps unlikely, but it isa think that's perhaps unlikely, but it is a sign of the pressure she is under and why perhaps leading figures like william hague are saying, you know, what theresa, you ought to think about a snap election. cheers, norman, thank you very much. we have heard quotes from jeremy corbyn that he thinks mrs may's government has an issue over people with disabilities. they seem to have an issue over disabilities because last year they did try to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion. they then reversed that cut after iain duncan smith resigned a few days later and then agreed to carry on paying it. so there is a deficit built into the budget already because of that. they see this as a further opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. well, i think
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they just need to bill rising further. well, i think theyjust need to think about the kind of society we are, the way we support people. we asked number ten and the department for work and pensions to respond to mr corbyn's claims and no one was avail yable. we asked stephen crabb why the government hadn't followed the tribunal‘s rulings in giving higher personal independence payments. well, what the tribunals have done is broaden the tribunals have done is broaden the eligibility criteria for personal independence payments. they have gone way beyond what the intention of government was when they designed the policy. so in the first place, we don't think it's right that the courts make policy, but more importantly, what the courts themselves said is look the regulations aren't clear. we think that thejudgements regulations aren't clear. we think that the judgements themselves risk creating more confusion and look, when you've got a system that gives out as much cash payment as personal independence payments you do need clear criteria and so in this case
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the government is right in saying that they are going to bring forward regulations that restore what the original policy was. now, there are problems with the way the personal independent payment system works, but in this case, government ministers have got it right. but they're independentjudges. independent of government looking at theissues independent of government looking at the issues legally. and that's the decision they have reached. why won't you follow what they say? well, theirjob is to interpret what is in the legislation and the criteria and they themselves said it is not clear. up until the point of thejudgement, the criteria is not clear. up until the point of the judgement, the criteria sought to draw a distinction in two important areas between the way the symptoms affect people with different kinds of disabilities in the area of being able to move around, and people then taking therapy and medication at home. now, we think those distinctions are important. the tribunal made a judgement that risks lumping
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together different kinds of cases in a way that we don't think is clear. we think it will lead to operational confusion and i think it is right for ministers to bring the policy back to what it was originally intended. how much is it do to with not spending another £3.7 billion? well, the critics and labour party have said this is about cutting benefit. nobody, absolutely nobody, will see a cut this their personal independence payment as a result of the new regulations that the government will bring forward. no, but you don't want to spend the £3.7 billion? well, costs are important in consideration of any policy, but i think more importantly, it is about operational clarity and actually have you got a clear set of criteria by which a government department can distribute billions of pounds of cash every year to vulnerable people up and down the country. it is clear, people with anxiety, who suffer psychological distress when travelling alone, deserve the enhanced payment. that's really clear. with the regulations
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that they're bringing in people who suffer overwhelming psychological distress will still qualify. people who had a stroke won't. people with schizophrenia? the mistake that a lot of people make when they look at that this is thinking it is about what condition you have? it is not. personal independent payments are about the impact, the simp tolls of your condition, how they affect your daily life to move around and the additional costs that arise from that. it doesn't matter whether it isa that. it doesn't matter whether it is a mental disability, a psychological illness or a physical disability, we have tried to design a system that takes account of how those different kinds of diverse disabilities affects your ability to live your every day life. what is it about the conservative government and some people with disabilities? well, i'm proud that we have a welfare support system in this
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country that spends as much money as it does supporting people living with as diverse a range of physical and mental disabilities than we support. name another country on earth that spends as much cash payment week in and week out as britain does supporting people with all kinds of illnesses and disabilities. that's not to say... every year? the system is not perfect. lever year there is another attempt by the conservative government to squeeze the benefits that help people with disyakets live a full life? that's not true. nobody is trying to squeeze benefits in the regulations that we're talking about this morning. it is about restoring the policy to that which parliament originally intended and money, the money being spent on personal independence payments will continue to increase and there is no question of trying to reduce it. it is a question of whether we have clear criteria that the system can operate to, that provides clarity for all users of the system, not least the people applying and seeking the cash
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support that they need. so the government doesn't have a problem with some people with disyakets? the government works extremely closely with people with disabilities and their representative organisations and when the personal independence payments system was designed, it was designed in close consultation with disability charities, mental health organisations, medical specialists, so it has tried to create a benefit that captures as wide a possible range of symptoms and conditions as possible. ricardo says, "it scares me how cavalierjeremy corbyn is with our money. money that doesn't exist. luckily he is unelectable." sue says, "jeremy corbyn lives in cloud—cuckoo—land. i think he could wina cloud—cuckoo—land. i think he could win a general election. he's delusional." another viewer says, "it is shocking that people are treated like criminals when thul‘ need is money to live." a viewer
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says, "jeremy corbyn won me over this morning. it is about the sort of society we want to be a part of and i'm in full agreement with him." laura says, "people who claim pip and other benefits are taxpayers too. we all contribute. stop being divisive." another viewer says, "they cut my friend's payments by £300. she has a disability scooter, can't get around. has several illnesses and is 69 years of age and the can't work. it is disgraceful. she challenged the decision, but it was upheld. it has had a devastating effect on her life." there has been an avalanche in a french ski resort in the south—west of the country, the regional police say that many skiers are stuck. according to witnesses there are many people and to the avalanche in tignes in south—eastern france,
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where an avalanche has swamped a ski slope. —— there are many people under the avalanche. could the vendors from black and minority ethnic backgrounds be given lighter punishments? —— could offenders from? and how facebooked called the police on the bbc after we revealed potential flaws in their moderation system. that is an astonishing story coming up that is an astonishing story coming up in the next five minutes. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the news. jeremy corbyn has told this programme that he believes theresa may's government has an issue with people with disabilities. labour has previously criticised the government over moves to reduce the number of people able to claim disability benefits — particularly personal independent payments. the government has insisted that the welfare system is a strong safety net for those in need of it. they seem to have an issue over disabilities, last year they tried to remove the personal independence payments by £4 billion, they then reversed that cut after iain duncan smith resigned a few days later,
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and then agreed to carry on paying it. there is a deficit built into the budget already because of that. they see this as a further opportunity to prevent the bill rising further. i think theyjust need to think about the kind of society we are, the way we support people. a rescue operation is under way after an avalanche struck a ski resort in the french alps. several people are said to be buried under the snow after it had to resort at tignes. emergency services are said to be on the scene. facebook‘s procedures for vetting content on its pages have been strongly criticised after a bbc investigation found it was failing to remove inappropriate and sexualised images of children. the chair of the commons media committee damian collins has said it casts grave doubts on the effectiveness of facebook‘s systems. facebook said it had removed all items that were illegal or against its standards. that's a summary of
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the latest bbc news. join me for newsroom live at 11am. we will, thank you. many of you getting in touch about the interview with parents chris gard and connie yates about their little boy charlie, they are in accord bottle with doctors that's —— in a court battle with doctors at great 0rmond street who believe charlie's life—support should be turned off because he is in pain and deteriorating. his parents believe there is the chance for treatment in america, a doctor has agreed to treat him. ajudge will make america, a doctor has agreed to treat him. a judge will make the final decision in this court battle. jim says these parents are against a system that has already made a decision and there is no longer looking, therefore charlie needs an advocate prepared to give them every chance. the nhs or anyone else does not have the right to take away the pa rents‘ not have the right to take away the parents‘ last hope of treating basson. audrey says this is heartbreaking,
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if there is a chance of help from the usa for charlie it comes down to money, someone must be able to assist. i really, really wish them well. ron says a very sad case but how long should the nhs, in effect the taxpayer, pay for a baby being kept in hospital? as soon as they go to the usa, they will have to pay for everything. run, that is why they are crowdfunding. well, chelsea are looking pretty unstoppable in the race for the premier league title. they survived the test of a london derby last night. eden hazard and diego costa goals helping them to a 2—1win at west ham. the are now 10 points clear with 11 games left. arsenal will need to make champions league history tonight if they are to overhaul a four—goal first—leg deficit when they line up against bayern munich at the emirates tonight. the winners will reach the last eight. india plasma cricketers have labelled the four match test series at one all against australia after
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the tourists collapsed to 112 all out. and five—time world champion ronnie 0'sullivan beat liang wenbo five frames to one to reach the second round at the players championship in wales. that's all the sport for this morning, i will be back with more after 11am in newsroom live. a british backpacker was allegedly beaten, raped and attacked after a two month—long ordeal in australia. queensland police say that she is traumatised. police say the female person did have injuries consisting of facial fractures, scratches, and abrasions to her neck area, and other bruising consistent with the offences she was outlining to us. from that, we have subsequently charged that male person with a number of offences. they are very serious offences and would have been quite traumatic for the young female involved. hywel griffith is in sydney. what is
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the latest on how this happened? the police are still trying to piece together exactly what this woman went through. we know she met the man right at the start of the deer up man right at the start of the deer up in cairns in northern queensland and very soon the violence followed. we understand she was subjected to rapes and assaults. the timeline follows that at some point in the next few weeks they went on a road trip, travelling in a way to by four vehicle that was eventually flagged down on sunday the 5th of march —— ina down on sunday the 5th of march —— in a white 4x4 vehicle. staff in the petrol station say she was disoriented and visibly bruised, because she left without paying the police than flagged down the vehicle, but when they spoke to her they could tell there was something
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deeply wrong, that is when she started to tell them that she had been the victim of abuse, held against her will, police say when they looked in the boot of the 4x4 they looked in the boot of the 4x4 they found the 22—year—old man they have now arrested and charged coming he was hiding. the woman is receiving hospital treatment, severe physical injuries, traumatic emotional injuries. they say she has been very brave so far in giving evidence and has also been able to speak to her family back home. evidence and has also been able to speak to herfamily back home. it is understood she will have to stay here maybe for some time yet in order to give more evidence, it is unclear when she made be able to return back to the uk. thank you, hywel griffith. a bbc investigation has found that facebook‘s content moderation system is failing to remove pornography and obscene content from its pages. 0ur reporter angus crawford reported 100 images that appeared to breach the company's own rules on nudity and obscenity using its own reporting system. he's with us now and i should say we will get into some
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graphic detail here. tell us what you found on facebook? before we start you are right, excuses for some of the language and content excuses for some of the language and co nte nt you excuses for some of the language and content you are about to hear and see, if you are watching with a young family you might want to turn off the television, turn it down or do something else for the moment, or put them in another room. last year we we re put them in another room. last year we were tipped off that there were secret groups on facebook being used by members of sexual interest in children to swap obscene images. touch men with a sexual interest in children. we did the report, it created headlines and concerned facebook. facebook said it had improved regulations, particularly on the sexualisation of children. we decided to test them against their own standards, not ours or criminal standards, their own standards against nudity and sexualised content. against nudity and sexualised co nte nt. we against nudity and sexualised content. we reported something like
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100 images and posts, 82 stayed up. i will tell you about some of the groups that we found, the content is unpleasant. 0ne groups that we found, the content is unpleasant. one was called hot sexy schoolgirls, containing images you can imagine of real children in school uniform, some stolen. we found pages with pictures of very young, 11 and 12—year—old girls in very, very flimsy clothing saying appalling comments below them by people looking at them. we found a group openly talking about exchanging what they called cp, child pornography. and very unpleasantly, child pornography. and very unpleasa ntly, a group child pornography. and very unpleasantly, a group that is still up unpleasantly, a group that is still upfor unpleasantly, a group that is still up for men that like to mass debate over images and show those results online. that is still up. many of the images we thought were against facebook‘s own standards, they said did not breach community standards. let's have a look.
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the dark side of facebook. the bbc exposes the secret groups set up by paedophiles. it was february last year when we broadcast our investigation into secret groups on facebook. we found men with a sexual interest in children using the groups to share images. many of the pictures in these groups are obscene, indecent. but what's as disturbing is that many other pictures appear to have been stolen and disgusting comments have been written about completely innocent pictures. we told the police about one particular group, a man was arrested
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and sent to prison for four years. a year on, we wanted to find out if the situation had improved. it didn't take long. we found plenty of similar material. using facebook‘s own system, we reported 100 images or posts we felt breached facebook‘s own guidelines. only 18 were removed. 82 stayed up. facebook said those that remained didn't breach its community standards. i've been very disturbed by what i've seen, very disappointed that one year on we are still seeing images that are very sexualised, totally, in my view, unacceptable, to be online on the facebook page. the moderation clearly isn't being effective. i would question whether humans are actually moderating this and looking at this.
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also, i think it's failing to take account of the context of these images. facebook has a policy that bars sex offenders from having an account. but we found and reported the profiles of five convicted paedophiles. none were removed. we even reported a group where users were openly swapping what they called child pornography, or cp. and then we found this image. if you reported that, if it was looked at correctly, there can only be a decision that that it should be taken down. we wanted to ask facebook about their content moderation system, so we requested an interview. at their request, we sent them a copy of the image and asked them why it had stayed up. that's when facebook
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reported us to the police. that's extraordinary because you're helping them, you're trying to help them clean up their network from material that shouldn't be there. when you give them examples that they themselves have asked for to back up your complaint, for them to act by referring you to the police, referring the bbc to the police, rather than acting upon the information they've been given, that is extraordinary and shows a complete lack of understanding of the issues that were presented to the people of facebook, whoever dealt with this complaint, and it's concerning. anyone who questions industry members and indeed facebook comes under attack and you're seen in some way to be questioning modernity or trying to hold that change. the fact that facebook sent images that have been sent to them and appear on their site for their response about how facebook deals with inappropriate images on the facebook site, the fact that they sent those on to the police seemed to me to be extraordinary and one can only
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assume that the facebook executives were unwilling or certainly reluctant to engage in an interview or a debate about why these images are available on facebook‘s site. and, right now, groups with inappropriate images and comments about children can still be found. there are a number of things really
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astonishing but, oh, my gosh, they reported you to the police? as you can imagine, we were a little surprised. understatement of the iraq formation not you need to understand that this was content on facebook, first of all, that we reported to facebook‘s own moderation system. the moderators said it is fine, it can stay up. facebooked, for the purposes of being informed before we interviewed them, we were meant to last week, they said you need to send as exa m ples of they said you need to send as examples of the kind of content you are talking about, so at their request we sent a material that was on facebook that had been approved by them moderator is. there was total silence, and then we found out they reported as to the child exploitation and 0nline protection centre, the commander in the national crime agency. we asked facebook to speak to us
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about this. they gave us a statement. he said, "we have reviewed the content referred to us and have removed all items that were illegal or against our standards. this content is no longer on our platform. we take this matter extremely seriously. and we continue to improve our reporting and take down measures. facebook has been recognised as one of the best platforms on the internet for child safety. it is against the law for anyone to distribute images of child exploitation when the bbc sent us such imablings we followed our industry standard practise and reported them to ceop. this matter is now in the hands of the authorities." melissa price who twice had photos she put up onto facebook removed for indecency. she is recovering from breast cancer and posted photos of her breasts post—surgery.
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vicki shotbolt is the chief executive of an organisation called parent zone that advises parents how to tackle exposure to online images of abuse. dr linda papadopoulos is a child psychologist and ambassador for the charity, internet matters. welcome all of you. first of all your reaction to what facebook did to angus effectively?” your reaction to what facebook did to angus effectively? i think it is disgusting. i think what you have done was appropriate and i applaud you for doing that, but for facebook to ta ke you for doing that, but for facebook to take that stance and for you to be reported for doing that is ridiculous. can ijust say, people who are watching around the country say, "i am deleting my facebook account now." say, "i am deleting my facebook account now. " i say, "i am deleting my facebook account now." i have decided to deactivate my account. laurie says, "this sickens me. mike says, "i don't think anything that i have reported has been removed. cat lover says so it goes on. another viewer says, "this is disgusting." linda?
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it isa says, "this is disgusting." linda? it is a sign of the fact that we don't know how to handle these. we don't know how to handle these. we don't have the measuresment we know social media has been around a long time. one of the most interesting stats, the majority of online child porn is produced by children themselves through sectioning. i have been involved in cases where boyfriend and girlfriend have done this, where they break up and the boy is then, you know, made, is put ona boy is then, you know, made, is put on a register because he is a couple of years older. i think we really need to look at the measures. yours shocks me just as much. i didn't realise what happened to you. it is the fact that we are learning as we go. i think as mental health specialists so i have been, you know, working in this area for years, but we have kids now who are in effect self— harming years, but we have kids now who are in effect self—harming online, bullying themselves online. there is no textbooks how to deal with this. we are learning as we go and this is another case of that. vicky, how do you react that some of the images are up because they didn't breach
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facebook‘s standards and the fact they called the police on the bbc? it is extraordinary. i think one of the real difficulties for parents with these services is that we rely on them to do the right thing. we trust that when we report, they're going to respond and they're going to respond appropriately and clearly, they don't and that's one of the really big problems, for not just parents, but for people using the platforms that we have no transparency. we don't know how they respond to reports and we can't test that out. you have tested it and clearly, their response was, i don't know what the word is to use, was it bizarre, is it deliberately confusing the issue to say we've just reported the bbc to the police? it is very hard to know what was going through facebook's mind.- point out, we weren'tjudging them by our standards or a criminal standard, we were judging them by our standards or a criminal standard, we werejudging them by their own standards on their own advice pages they say they have effectively a zero tolerance for nudity and sexualised content. so we reported those on the basis that it was sexualised content of children. we have been told by facebook that
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they have tightened that up, but our results appear to show that there maybe holes within that system. melissa what standards did you breach by posting pictures of your breasts post surgery? they said, i believe, it was because there was nipples showing. right. idon't believe, it was because there was nipples showing. right. i don't have any nipples, i have tattoos. right. because you had breast cancer. because you had breast cancer. because i had breast cancer surgery. yeah, they said i broke those guidelines. linda, a brief word about, young people in particular, children, in particular, who stumble across the kind of sexualised images online on facebook? . what impact can it have on them? there is things that you are ready to see when you are emotionally and cognitively developed. we had the watershed on tv. we still have it on games, it is a12ora15 tv. we still have it on games, it is a 12 or a 15 there, doesn't exist online. as a consequence parents
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need to be aware. so whether it is ensuring that, you know, and they really need to educate they will selves about what kids are doing. so i have got parents that will say, "i think they're on this platform and that, but i'm not sure how it works. learn how it works. understand how it works because unless you do, you can't speak to them correctly and we know when a child is confronted with images they don't understand it will affect the way they view their own sexuality and their own boundaries? if this is normalised then is it ok ifido if this is normalised then is it ok if i do it? the other big thing if they stumble on something in the way that someone who is trying to abuse a child will say, "don't say anything." they feel guilty so i've stumbled on it. if i feel i can't talk to my mum or dad, if i can't have my parents there, it becomes worsemed be open with your kids and encourage them to speak about it. ensure that you normalise the idea, you know what, you probably will be confronted with something. it is in the region of 75% of ten to
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12—year—olds are on social media. by the time they're 13, that's 96%. so the time they're 13, that's 96%. so the notion that we can somehow police it, it needs to be at a pa rental level police it, it needs to be at a parental level and at an isp level and a government level. a number of skiers are feared to be buried under snow following an avalanche at tignes. lucy williamson is in paris. this avalanche seem to have taken the resort by surprise. you've got pictures from a webcam showing the scene. we're told there is a large rescue operation going with mountain police and even local ski companies getting involved, sending people out with probes to look for those buried under the snow. we are not sure how many people may have been swept away by the avalanche, but some witnesses
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say they saw a lot of people that they thought might have been caught up they thought might have been caught up in it. so there is a lot of concern to try and dig them out. it is very difficult for helicopters to get there we're told because the visibility is so bad. the conditions have been quite severe. there has been a lot of snow in recent days and infact been a lot of snow in recent days and in fact one sports journalist, who was at the resort, this morning, is telling french television that the mountain guides were out in force this morning setting off preventative avalanches to try and reduce that threat. we know that some of the slopes in the area have been closed. this one, apparently was still open. it is seen as an easy slope, a family slope, so obviously they thought the risk was not that great on this slope. sadly, it seems they were wrong, but we'll try and bring you some more information in the coming hours once things become clearer. more on bbc news throughout the day. next this morning, could young offenders from black or ethnic minorities be given lighter
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punishments under new sentencing guidelines? judges are being told to consider the "discrimination and negative experience of authority" they may have experienced and they should take into account " pa rticular factors which arise" in the case of black and ethnic minority children and young people. with us in the studio is nathaniel peat, founder the safety box charity which works with young people who're at risk of offending and those who have been in young offender institutions, ali wigzell, chair of the standing committee for youth justice, an alliance of organisations campaigning for a better youth justice system, and noel williams, a youthjustice consultant for the government. hello all of you. i haven't given you loads of time. but this is a really important issue. do you think it is right that somebody‘s background including whether they are from a black and minority ethnic background should be taken into account when a judge is looking at possibly mitigating factors before sentencing? yeah, absolutely. if you can get the background around a young person it helps to beat a lot of perceptions. perceptions are held about young black men being in gangs already. many of them don't, are not
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involved in gangs and you have got to measure that against the background. when you can get a bigger picture it helps you to have a better understanding of the type of sentence which you can actually give. so definitely, yes. noel, does that mean someone carrying a knife from a well—to—do family will get a tougher sentence than someone carrying a knife from a black or minority background ? carrying a knife from a black or minority background? well, i don't know. but what people need to understand there has been a high proportion of discrimination against young black people in that community and it has been known, the prime minister has spoke about it, but what i think we shouldn't lose is, of course, if somebody is carrying a knife they deserve to be punished as much as somebody else does. i'm sure the judge can make a good judgement, but it would be fantastic to know that you have got a bit of background before you make that judgement on how to proceed. if somebody is carrying a knife whether you're black or from a middle—class background or an asian young man, that viable punishment should be
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fair across—the—board. that viable punishment should be fair across-the-board. the guidelines say, you know, there should be the correct punishment regarding the severity of the offence. what's your view, ali? we would agree with what has been said. it is about the seriousness of the crime. and that dictates what the sentence should be. if we are to prevent teenagers who commit crime from re—offending... prevent teenagers who commit crime from re-offending. .. which prevent teenagers who commit crime from re-offending... which is prevent teenagers who commit crime from re-offending. .. which is what they say this is about? we need to understand what their fwak ground and what and why it happened if we are to put a sentence in place to stop it from happening again. the new guidelines talk about whether that young person has been exposed to pornography or abuse or alcohol abuse or drug abuse? often at times you're looking at trauma and putting them into an institution is not going to help them. if they're locked up for 23 hours, the young
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person needs support for the mental state of the mind. it is mindsets and when you can get into the minute ofa and when you can get into the minute of a young person and you can show that that trust is there, many of theissues that that trust is there, many of the issues that are found, you've got 27% which come through arrest, but you've got 50%, the amount that go into prison is more than the amount that are arrested. there is some type of prnlg dissome type of thing that's happening in the courts. i think this step, this is a step in the right direction to help that. yes, and children in care as well. they want people to look at, they want to take into account the fa ct they want to take into account the fact that somebody might have been in care. i think we have to take that into account. if you have been in care and you happen to be committing a crime under the age of 18, you will be considered as a child, the state are your parents and therefore we need to look at that because that's going to come with its own problems. what we want asa with its own problems. what we want as a society, rehabilitation would be the best. thank you. you stopped
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just in time. thank you. we're back tomorrow. have a good day. we're back tomorrow at 9am. hello there. it has been a cold start. frost in places, but at least to compensate there has been a good deal of sunshine around. that's how it is going to remain across central and eastern parts. the northern isles still windy with outbreaks of rain and across the west, a weather front will be moving in to bring wind and cloud and rain for northern ireland, parts of wales and the south—west of england potentially getting towards western scotland as well. temperatures for most into high single figuresings but we could make ten or 11 celsius in the brightest spots across the rain. tonight, the rain gets its act together and spreads across the country. there will be snow over the high ground of scotland. but as the weather system moves in, less cold airto end the weather system moves in, less cold air to end the night. not as cold as last night and turning mild across
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the south. brighter for northern ireland and scotland, the far north of england, but windy with blustery showers and sunny spells. much of england and wales will be cloudy. the weather front lingering here. 0utbreaks the weather front lingering here. outbreaks of rain and hill fog too, but very mild especially in the south. this is bbc news and these are the top stories developing at 11: an avalanche has hit a french ski resort. 11 people are said to be trapped. facebook comes under heavy criticism
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after a bbc investigation finds it failed to remove inappropriate images of children. an extra cash boost for new school places in england — the chancellor is due to pledge millions of pounds in funding in tomorrow's budget. police in australia rescue a british backpacker after she was allegedly held hostage for more than two months. could the government face another brexit ‘s defeat in the lords? here's will continue to debate this afternoon as the prime
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