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of northern ireland, martin mcguinness. process; others have said ya??? if; 541“ ,: 5555:sz about his ira activities. let's talk to the journalist allison morris. she's the security correspondent at the irish times and joins us from belfast. good ii; good good good evening. dividing in death as in life today? views in death asinlifetfiday—z’l andi views in death asinlil‘e'tdday?l and i think that is - story yes, and i think that is the story of northern ireland. we have peace olnorthern ireland. w that, you know, we are 20 yea rs years we it, and there are years into it, and there are still some any unresolved issues, with legacy and victims. we have seen that today, with some “rt l~4zs saw; 5»; aleesrseew—e ~ w 77 themselves with “rt l~4zs saw; 5»; aleesrsee’fwwe ,, w ww themselves with the reconciling themselves with the past, but for others - wounds are past. but for nthers the waunds are still very past. but tar nthers the waunds are still very raw, and i think of someone ”5 martin " death of someone like martin mcguinness, i with g of] death of someone like martin mcguinness, i with g of ian mcguinness, as with that of ian paisley a few years $ mcguinness, as with that of ian paisley a few years é it has ne'elee— ; 1;:.: wees; e:; 'e!—;; that to the 5535535 and is ne'elee— ; 1;:.: wees; e:; 'e!—;; that to the 311555 and is a demonstration of how we have come so far. we are still a long way to go with reconciliation and healing.”
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with reconciliation and healing. you have spoken to some believe you have spoken to some former ira prisoners today. what have they said about martin mcguinness? yes, i have, and what struck me is it was very interesting, thejourney struck me is it was very interesting, the journey martin mcguinness came on himself. very of his time. we are speaking about a man who at 21 was in london negotiating a ceasefire with the british government, and i don't we can imagine too many think we can imagine too many no attempting to 21—year—olds no attempting to undertake such a task. but when it came to the peace process and the settlement, it was martin mcguinness‘s influence that persuaded most of them, especially the very hard—line ones who perhaps we re the very hard—line ones who perhaps were not at first persuaded the peace process was the way to go at that time. he was respected because they saw him as one of them, if you like. so when he said the peace process was something they should definitely put their support behind, imean, one definitely put their support behind, i mean, one former ira man told me on the day of the referendum, he walked to the ballot box still
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unconvinced but he had martin mcguinness‘s words ringing in his ears and that is why he voted for the peace process in the end. the ira's campaign and the conflict in northern ireland, yes, it would have happened regardless of whether or not martin mcguinness had been involved, but i think it would have been a different story without him, andi been a different story without him, and i think that is his actual legacy or how he will be remembered. ' interesting way of looking at it an interesting way of looking at it because he was a significant figure in the ira for a long times, and there were a lot of people today who spoke about him having blood on his hands. is it because of part of that significant role of what was a terrorist organisation, that people within it could think, well, if he has changed, so can i? he was a has changed, so can i? hem commander and leader of the ira and a sign as someone commander and leader of the ira and a sign as someone who read it from the a sign as someone who read it from g front and therefore when he said the front and therefore when he said we will turn our back on violence and go towards peace, that is what convinced but and go towards peace, that is what convinced - but you also have to convinced them, but you also have to remember the relationship with ian paisley, it was one many considered to be unthinkable or unworkable. they had been sworn 5’efae’ and
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to be unthinkable or unworkable. they had been sworn q and when they had been sworn enemies and when ian paisley died as well there were conflicting views on his legacy, but the fact that the two men were in government together and ended up quite close friends, and even today ian paisley‘s son was paying tribute to him, saying he was kind to his father and he would always run about that, but those two people wine had that, but those two people who had been such vitriolic enemies in the past, coming together to work in government, i think it meant others who perhaps not peace was not possible saw it was something they could do and was something that actually last. what of the could actually last. what of the politics of northern ireland today? obviously there are difficulties and a lot has been said about that. we wait to see whether some new form of power—sharing government can be formed. of course he stepped aside because of illness . the start of because of illness at the start of the year. do you think his death today will have any bearing on what lies ahead in the coming weeks politically? look, ithink from lies ahead in the coming weeks politically? look, i think from a politically? look, i think from a political point of view we no devolved government is the only way forward - self-determinat'gg the
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here voted for g and that ..we.ee t5)"; 7 what wwweee 55"; 5 what they want. wwweee 555 5 what they want. at this - in is what they want. at this point in timei is what they want. at this point in time i think it is all made much more convoluted id not only by the absence of martin mcguinness as absenceofmartin mcguinneg gs! ‘ but absenceofmartin mcguinnegs gs! ‘ but also by the unionist- in the removed the unionist ma'ority inthe for the first time 5 actual formation of the state of ireland which was quite i think there are a lot momentous. i think there are a lot of factors involved in this current period of negotiations - perhaps period of negotiations that perhaps did not come into - previously did not come into play previously if, the did not come into play previously i 725: e the top of the did not come into play previously i 725: e5 the top of the border, and i think the tog ofthe bordgrs= northern ireland will have the that heartless—e l'é!2"zz“ eukeee‘he . . ~ . ~ ... ~ t‘eet tale—there t—the-ee“ eukeeethe . . ~ . ~ ... ~ land border —— of only land border —— discussion of the 55:5 after only land border —— discussion of the 5‘15after- with only land border —— discussion of the 5“? after - with the union, i think that will european union, i think thatwilt put. european union, i think thatwilt rue a european union, i think thatwilt put a different on our process because what we amiss-"15mg"??- to look at is the - of have to look at is the future of 75i::-lreland 5' 5 5 have to look at is the future of jig- ireland as 5 5 have to look at is the future of jig- ireland as a 5 have to look at is the future of ireland as a very small northern ireland as a very small place within the eu or the uk place within either the eu or the uk andi place within either the eu or the uk and i think the around border will -robabl be the most discussions had since the good - agreement here since the good friday agreement of 20 ago. here since the good friday agreement of 20 - ago. thank you very much of 20 years ago. thank you very much for your thoughts, allison maurice from the 1@ times. ——
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blairfrom the irish times. —— alison morris - the irish the uk is banning passengers from carrying laptops — and many other electronic devices — in their cabin baggage on inbound direct flights from six, conntries. are "necessary and proportionate." the move follows a similar measure announced by the us authorities earlier today. in the last few minutes sean spicer, the us press secretary, has been in the last few minutes sean spicer, the us press secreta explosive en speaking about this. explosive desert. devices and various desert the devices and various levels of —— devices... in levels of —— explosive devices... in this 5 has levels of —— explosive devices... in this? has been ! levels of —— explosive devices... in this? has been determine of this it has been determine mm of this it has been determine m to enhance security necessary to enhance security between home airports and various
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‘ airports. ”55 segues earl'agefl 155? eeéun , , , said that now is not the time. our correspondent steven goddenhasbeen following the debate in holyrood. the debate continues - the mathematics oft5 scottishi mathematics of the scottish 5555 55 means we really know this pa rliarnent means we reatt‘yknow this = the end, support from the greens -:5 will as a ——5 55 i:5 will be a majority —5 55 i:5 will ise a majority for —5 55 means there will be a majority for independence, which leads us on to fh.——55— 5 5 5 55 independence, which leads us on to a; 52515: what then 5 independence, which leads us on to a; 52515: what then kris 5 independence, which leads us on to a; 55515: what then kris meeke 5 the qnestion: whatthen krismeehe what then? with me is the qnestion: whatthen krismeehe what then? with me bf —— what then? with me is stephen tierney, an expert on tierneg. an exgett on—consl—itotional—e to help answer that. i we get expected outcome, what then? the expected outcome. whalthenl isa the expected outcome. whalthenl is a decision by the scottish .-:-:..-.w-.. they know if .-:-:..-.w-.. they - know if they the power to hold a referendum they then go . westminster with t motioni go . westminster with t motion to 3 . westminster with t motion to a i westminster with t motion to a i westmii transferi
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this motion to a temporary tfsi‘iefeti of the this motion to a temporary tfansfefi of the power to hold a referendum. we have, the problem we have. though. of' 5 is the problem we have. though. of5 5 is :-: the 5 the problem we have. though. of5 5 is :-.: the uk 5 course is that the uk government has said, well, no, orat least course is that the uk government has said, well, no, or at least not yet, so said, well, no, or at least not yet, so atethjs point — said, well, no, or at least not yet, so atethjs point we — said, well, no, or at least not yet, so attég point we don't - so at this point we don't know exactly what will happen next. how is this of is this- of timing important is this issue of timing which 5 . important is this issue of timing which 5 seems i important is this issue of timing which 5 seems to centre important is this issue of timing which § seems to centre - it which it seems to centre 0mm seems to be a really. issue. in seems to be a really core issue. in 2012 when we had a debate about the referendum the two down in down - in the down in the fairly down akin n the - fairly down akin to he - fairly down akin to the i fairly down akin to the edinburgh amicable akin to the edinburgh agreement because the issues between uestions of timin at . uestions of timin . at that them on questions of timingatthat. we re them on questions of timingatthat. were not very divisive. at point we—re—reotnvery —di>.'isi\'e.—a»t= this point it seems like a big crippled and issue, crippled and suitable sites. how there doesn't - to you to “m" there deese‘t seer-e ‘mmjm — this to in 55315555 555; 55 5555555 5551551555555; 55 —— how they does it seem to 2012 —— how they does it seem to you. the mood 5755 e5555 the two you. the mood between the two is not very good governments is not very good right now. if the uk says no, now. if the uk government says no. 5 ‘ not yet, to a point that the or not yet, to a point that the scottish government really want to hold this, will they try to go it
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alone? how difficult is that scenario? the law is a grey area. i am saying the scottish parliament don't have the authority. we don't actually know that for sure. there isa actually know that for sure. there is a risk that if there is no political agreement they could try to introduce a bill which could well end up before the supreme court, which could potentially be very divisive again, and terms of bringing the courts into what is essentially a political issue. bringing the courts into what is essentially a political issuelj bringing the courts into what is essentially a political issue. i was going to ask you that. lots of complexity, but what is your view about it an issue for the about it becoming an issue for the courts rather than politicians? this is essentially a political problem that has to be dealt with by politicians. if it goes to the court it will not necessarily resolve things. on the one hand the losers in the court 2 say they are not in the court may say they are not happy with that decision which would not be good for the courts, but it is also the case that if the supreme court where the city could be held and go ahead, the people opposed that might boycott the referendum so m thatis m that is not good either —— if the
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supreme court says that, yes, it could be held and go—ahead. i think there is going to be another one we really need that kind of agreement again, for both sides to accept the agalfi far fintfi sleés‘matmer the result. thank agalfi faf fintfi sleés‘matmer f'f-e result. thank you very much. another day of debating ahead here at the scottish parliament. once we get to the end of that, plenty of questions will need to be answered. steven godden in edinburgh, thank you. workers on southern, merseyrail and arriva north are to strike on the eighth of april, the rmt union has announced. the strike, which will take place on the same day as the grand national, is over disputes over staffing two paintings by vincent van gogh, which were stolen in 2002, have been the works, a seascape and a painting of van gogh's father's church, were stolen from the van gogh museum on the orders of an italian crime family. they were found last year during a police raid in naples. from amsterdam, anna holligan reports. journey, the paintings
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nowgrotec—ted bg— thick screens—:= most renowned artists. corner has gone missing. it took opportunist thieves less than four minutes to break in through the roof using rih the heihtihre ‘—-— the hes—wei: wall with brutal force, in the countrylscultoral heritagei italian police arrested they'd been investigating allegations of drug trafficking, eat aaearefifle 1355 8555555 5 555 was hiding the van goghs. 5 55 5 the italian authorities
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were proud of their work. the sea view at scheveningen is one of only two seascapes painted by van the wind was so hipstergtthatdazt'gi w551}- was a gift for van gogh's mother after she'd broken her leg. he changed it after his father died to include images the mnsenrp is detieerate‘tgr ,, . ,. as they were found, with slight fie-seer; ”eh—eeehtihf 5 the journey they survived. now, anticipating the moment they're lease: is the aamifiaé eaaiia age museum in amsterdam. the most valuable cut diamond ever to be offered at auction has gone!
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